August 1, 2000 to March 31, 2001

Coalition for Gun Control

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Posted by Bob on March 31, 2001 at 18:59:32:

This group is not a charity but they are a Federal Corporation.As a corporation they are supposed to file their Annual Return/Annual Summary(AR/AS) on a yearly basis.Industry Canada had sent them a Reminder Notice(Default Notice).The enforcement date was 1996/11/01.They have as yet to reply to the Government. Brian Tobin MP is Minister of Industry who over sees corporations in Canada.Mr.Tobin has failed in his job by not dissolving this corporation.The Canadian Coalition for Gun Control can tell Ottawa why people can't have guns but they fail to follow the rules and regulations for corporations.

Tobin.B@parl.gc.ca Give him an ear full

Hey Braden -

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Posted by Matt Ende on March 31, 2001 at 17:46:24:

How's things? Got back from Florida at the beginning of the week, and have been busy since. Any plans for the next few weeks? I'll call you this weekend.

Re: Anyone here from the Ottawa Valley

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Posted by Matt Ende on March 31, 2001 at 17:43:06:

In Reply to: Anyone here from the Ottawa Valley posted by Fox on March 30, 2001 at 17:00:02:

My buddy, Burns, lives and has a hunt camp near Dacre. I'll call him and find out what the snow's like and let you know.

Re: NEW TURKEY HUNTER

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Posted by Steve on March 31, 2001 at 11:32:15:

In Reply to: NEW TURKEY HUNTER posted by Mike on March 31, 2001 at 09:42:05:

I wear the same camo for bowhunting deer. ASAT pattern pants and a "Winona" knit top in brown and gray. Full camo is pretty well neccessary including face, hands and gun (or bow). Welcome to the ranks. I got my first bird last season, hunting with the poster on this board known as "BOSSTOM." He called in an 18.5 pounder for after we worked the bird for almost three hours unti he finally came in. Anything Bosstom mentions - don't question it - do it!! He knows his stuff for sure.

NEW TURKEY HUNTER

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Posted by Mike on March 31, 2001 at 09:42:05:

Just curious what you seasoned turkey hunters wear in the way of camoflauge. Insulated or other.......any ideas & suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to at least hearing & hopefully bagging my first 'long beard'! Thanks in advance for all your responses.........Mike

Re: Fantastic Canadian Company

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Posted by OnnO on March 31, 2001 at 08:22:04:

In Reply to: Fantastic Canadian Company posted by artman on March 30, 2001 at 19:46:07:

Agreee! I chk the website everyday!

And I really like their news section. The gun control news from this week are so good that I printed them out for reference.

Well done Bluebill,

OnnO...

Re: Turkey Hunters Help!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 31, 2001 at 05:04:25:

In Reply to: Turkey Hunters Help! posted by Frosty on March 29, 2001 at 16:43:40:

Once you've finished at the 'check' station, gut your bird, put a plastic bag in the cavity & fill it with ice to start cooling the bird from the inside out. Just my 2 cents worth!

Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by artman on March 30, 2001 at 19:48:30:

In Reply to: Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada! posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 20:32:38:

What happens in the winter when we are wearing gloves for the cold?

Fantastic Canadian Company

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Posted by artman on March 30, 2001 at 19:46:07:

Everyone who visits this room should check out www.canadiancamo.com They are going to be a Canadian based online store for the hunter and outdoorsman. I have no affiliation with this company, I was simply very impressed by their site and their philosiphy. They are also a great place to just visit and read the online articles.

Anyone here from the Ottawa Valley

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Posted by Fox on March 30, 2001 at 17:00:02:

I was just wondering what the snow situation is like up there. I heard it was pretty bad this year. How much is left? I am concerned about my Dad's camp near Denbeigh, between Bancroft and Renfrew. If any of you have any information it would be appreciated. Thanks!

Re: Turkey Hunters Help!

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Posted by Nimrod on March 30, 2001 at 15:19:04:

In Reply to: Turkey Hunters Help! posted by Frosty on March 29, 2001 at 16:43:40:

If you are really concerned, you could gut the bird once you are finished at the check station.

Re: Turkey Hunters Help!

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Posted by bowhunter on March 30, 2001 at 14:58:42:

In Reply to: Turkey Hunters Help! posted by Frosty on March 29, 2001 at 16:43:40:

If you're really concerned carry a cooler large enough to hold a bird in the back of your truck or car. Grab a bag of ice and throw it in with the bird to keep it cool while you're transporting.

Re: Turkey's

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Posted by BOSSTOM on March 29, 2001 at 21:32:10:

In Reply to: Turkey's posted by Bert on March 29, 2001 at 17:12:12:

Bert , the birds that you have seen were in the winter group , they will soon break up and you should soon see them strutting for the hens. It's sure a great sight...BT

Re: Turkey Hunters Help!

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Posted by BOSSTOM on March 29, 2001 at 21:29:49:

In Reply to: Turkey Hunters Help! posted by Frosty on March 29, 2001 at 16:43:40:

Frosty , your bird will last the most part of the day with no problem , they do not spoil fast , but as soon as you can , get it cleaned...BT

Turkey's

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Posted by Bert on March 29, 2001 at 17:12:12:

Seen my first group of wild turkeys yesterday. Spotted 4 on the road ahead of me and as I came over the crest of the hill there was about 15 more. Pontypool area. They seem to be producing well.

Turkey Hunters Help!

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Posted by Frosty on March 29, 2001 at 16:43:40:

Hello all, How do you keep your gobbler from spoiling during the drive from the kill site, to the check station and finally back home again? I figure it will take me about three hours to get my bird to the check station and then back home again.Will my bird spoil in that time frame? Good luck to you if your going this spring. I think I'm going to call in sick at work opening day!Thanks in advance!

FROSTY

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Kern on March 29, 2001 at 16:04:43:

In Reply to: Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Nimrod on March 29, 2001 at 14:05:11:

NP...after reading it over, it does sound like Im advocating the hail mary shot...which i am not.

Kern

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Nimrod on March 29, 2001 at 14:05:11:

In Reply to: Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Kern on March 28, 2001 at 19:55:41:

Sorry Kern, I misunderstood your point. My mistake.

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by ajb on March 29, 2001 at 09:17:11:

In Reply to: Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Kern on March 28, 2001 at 19:55:41:

And while we are talking about higher standards, I would encourage anyone who can afford it, and who has a gun that can shoot it to use non-toxic shot for upland hunting in addition to waterfowl hunting. Many other coutries have banned lead shot for all hunting, and who knows, Canada may one day follow suit. While it is true that lead shot may have little impact in very lightly hunted upland areas, there is evidence that it has affected some upland areas. It is also indisputable that lead is nasty stuff and we should do everything possible to limit its levels in our environment. I was really upset to see certain hunting and fishing organizations digging in their heels, and dragging their feet when it was time to say good-bye to lead shot for waterfowl. If hunter's want any respect they are going to have to be seen to be proactive about these issues. And speaking of being proactive, maybe we could start pressuring the ammunition companies to bring down the cost of steel and other prohibitively expensive non-toxic shot.

Re: Restricted Firearms Licensing?

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Posted by Wes on March 29, 2001 at 08:59:41:

In Reply to: Re: Restricted Firearms Licensing? posted by Brad on March 28, 2001 at 20:11:45:

Your PAL application and licence has nothing to do with Brinks. You apply for it and it is mailed to you, not to Brinks. They only require that you have one to handle firearms as an employee. They provide you with specific firearms training to qualify you to get an Authorization to Carry a retricted firearms or prohibited handgun. If you completed the courses and applied for your licence, it should be mailed directly to you. Once you have it, you may purchase restricted firearms for recreation purposes if you meet the "purpose" defined in the Firearms Act

TRUKEY VEST

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Posted by Mike on March 29, 2001 at 08:10:09:

Brand new, never been worn Turkey Vest for sale. Mossy Oak XL-2X...identical to the ones the OFAH are selling....First $85 takes it. If you need more info email me......could be open to reasonable offers.........Mike

Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 20:32:38:

In Reply to: Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada! posted by Nimrod on March 28, 2001 at 14:51:38:

Nimrod, Mytel(the Canadian company) not only developing fingerprint reader for guns, they're a pioneer in fingerprint reading technology for security purpose. And S&W paid the company to minimize to device to integrate into a handgun.

I'm not 100% anti the idea. Especially come to the stage that of have it or have no gun. But even we can accept the fingerprint reader, we may not afford the price on top of the piece of steel that we love.

I used more than hundred of computers in the passed 20 years. PCs,Macs,PS2 or whatever. They all crash alot. But never think about to go back to the old way even though I can always do the same job without the help from a computer, just takes more time. I'm quite adaptable to technology.

Same thing apply to the SMART gun idea. Technology did smooth our life a lot, or didn't it? Never give up your basics: your brain, your eyes, your hands...your very own self, this is all you need to survive.

My own opinion is that hunt/shooting is as walking/swimming, is a basic human survival SKILL. A lot more than a heritage or sport. You can't replace walking/swimming by cars or boats or other fancy ideas.

If you concern about gun safety or stopping idiots shooting innocents. Education is the only answer, but this answer is not giving out from any school yet.

OnnO...

Re: Restricted Firearms Licensing?

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Posted by Brad on March 28, 2001 at 20:11:45:

In Reply to: Re: Restricted Firearms Licensing? posted by Wes on March 28, 2001 at 13:20:55:

Thanks for the info. Brinks never called me for work so with not working 16 hrs in aweek I voluntarily resign Wasn't my fault miss communication so I never got my copy of my restricted from them, I'm going to contact the cfc and try to get a copy and also find out what is up with my PAL I applied for last september! With this lisence do I have to renew it? And can I purchase a gun for recreational use? Thanks Brad

Re: Thanks for the info OnnO

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 19:56:12:

In Reply to: Thanks for the info OnnO posted by Frosty on March 28, 2001 at 15:57:34:

You're very welcome, Frosty.

However, did I mention that United is a indoor range only (some people may not like shooting indoor.) Anyway, united supports .22 up to .50 (they're selling Desert Eagle!!!) but they didn't say about shotgun. Please post after you got the answer, since I'm planning to buy a new shotgun later.

Enjoy.

OnnO...

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Kern on March 28, 2001 at 19:55:41:

In Reply to: Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Nimrod on March 28, 2001 at 14:57:29:

I agreed completely with the writer when he said 16 pellet min count. I know one pellet will do the job but as hunters we should have higher standards to ensure a clean kill. Its far easier to wound and maim animals with those hail mary shots.

Kern

Thanks for the info OnnO

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Posted by Frosty on March 28, 2001 at 15:57:34:

Thank you for the info OnnO I'm going to United Sports this weekend to check it out. I only wish they let shotguns on the range. Thanks again! Frosty

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Nimrod on March 28, 2001 at 14:57:29:

In Reply to: Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Kern on March 27, 2001 at 20:45:36:

While you are right that it only takes one WELL PLACED pellet to kill a gobbler, you don't want to be shooting a load that only gives you a few pellets to try and hit that magic spot. I think that writer's advice about shortening your shots until you get good patterns is sound. However, I would just try a different load.

How your load shoots is more important than what you are shooting. Tungsten Iron gives good patterns because of its density and super-hardness. While it is a lot more expensive than lead, you will likely not be doing a lot of shooting at turkeys, so one box will last you for years.

Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by Nimrod on March 28, 2001 at 14:51:38:

In Reply to: Smart Gun...fr Canada! posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:46:44:

I came up with a similar concept years ago, but I had no specific design. I think it is a great idea, and probably necessary to save the gun industry (why do you think S&W is involved?). Perception is everything, and I would rather have my guns equipped with such a device than have to guns at all!

Obviously it still needs to be perfected, and ultimately the solution may wind up being a totally different product/design. In any event, I don't think police should be too concerned because they would simply continue to use normal sidearms, etc.

Re: Need to find gun range HELP!

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Posted by Nimrod on March 28, 2001 at 14:43:52:

In Reply to: Need to find gun range HELP! posted by Frosty on March 27, 2001 at 15:08:00:

I can highly recommend the Oshawa Skeet and Gun Club. They have all the facilities you need, and more (I understand that most of the shooting events would be held there if Toronto gets the 2008 Olympics!). I have recently become a member (membership is quite reasonable) and am very happy with it. They are just north of Oshawa, but Directory Assistance will give you the number if you search under Oshawa. If you can't get the number, let me know.

Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 14:42:45:

In Reply to: Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada! posted by Kern on March 28, 2001 at 11:05:39:

From the workable prototype that shown on TV, it's about 2 to 3 inches extended from the magazine. Yea, it's still too big for a hand gun, but they said a marketable version(2 years later) will be much much smaller(7 years ago the same device was as big as a briefcase!).

But the real questions are: practical, functional and safe. If driving a fully armoured tank can reduce death from car accidents, are we going to change our automobile designing guideline?

Education to kids and adult as well about safely handling firearms is the only answer.

OnnO...

Re: Restricted Firearms Licensing?

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Posted by Wes on March 28, 2001 at 13:20:55:

In Reply to: Restricted Firearms Licensing? posted by Brad on March 28, 2001 at 12:25:01:

You say you were licenced through Brinks? You must have had a licence for restricted fireams to work for them. What happened to it? If the CFC can send you a copy, you must have a licence somewhere. If you have never had a licence, you need to pass the Canadian Firearms Safety Course test and the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course test and apply for a PAL.

Restricted Firearms Licensing?

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Posted by Brad on March 28, 2001 at 12:25:01:

Can someone help me. I was wondering what it takes to get a restricted firearms lisence? I recieved lisencing through brinks Canada to carry a restricted firearm. Can I passed all equivelant testing to do so, but have resently quit. I was wondering if I contacted the cfc to get a copy of the licence is that my restricted or do I have to take more test and pay more money? Any input would be much appreciated. Brad

Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by Kern on March 28, 2001 at 11:05:39:

In Reply to: Smart Gun...fr Canada! posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:46:44:

Saw a prototype in a magazine last year I think. The device adds too much bulk to the handle of the gun and it will be a little while before they can shrink the technolgy down.

Im not convinced the idea is practical at all.

Kern

Re: Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:57:35:

In Reply to: Smart Gun...fr Canada! posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:46:44:

OOps! I forgot one thing in my story...don't worry about our police officers ( said so the politician at that time) because they have been equipped with 2 bullet proof vests for the whole squard (which can stop every shots from law abiding citizens) and they can carry their own little white flags on duty too.

OnnO...

Smart Gun...fr Canada!

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:46:44:

Just watched a special from Discovery channel. A Canadian company is developing a finger print reading system for use in handguns. And this project was contracted by big S&W. They predicted that 2 more years later, gun owners need to press they thumbs on the finger print reader integrated into the handle/magazine of the gun to shoot their OWN gun. They interviewed the good guys from United Sport Shooting Ranges, again their opinions was that it is a safety device that unsafe for the police officers. If you don't want kids or other people access to your firearms, teach them about gun safety and lockup you guns. We have gun safes and trigger locks already, and they are much cheaper than a SMART gun. And I'm going to write a SF fiction about a squard of SWAT storming into a drug dealer's den, but they passed a magnetic field setup by the bad guys and the micro chips in their SMART guns was screwed up. Then they became running ducks of those bad guys who using illegal, not so smart guns.

OnnO...

Re: Sporting Goods

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:19:39:

In Reply to: Re: Sporting Goods posted by Bluebill on March 27, 2001 at 09:39:00:

Hi, Blue,

I'm holding my $ and keep chking your site everyday. Good articles Too. Good jod, well done!

OnnO

Re: Need to find gun range HELP!

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Posted by OnnO on March 28, 2001 at 09:15:08:

In Reply to: Need to find gun range HELP! posted by Frosty on March 27, 2001 at 15:08:00:

1. United Sport Shooting Ranges 14 Stalwart Industrial Dr, Gormley, ON 905-888-1411 www.unitedranges.com I favourite handgun range(good for long guns too) very good facilities, highly recommened.

2. The Brant Rod & Gun Club 54 Henderson Rd, Brantford, ON 519-449-2658 www.brgc.tripod.ca

3. Burlington Rifle and Revolver Club www.globalserve.net/~lami/#organize

4. Guelph Rod &Gun Club 519-856-9780 www.yesic.com/~grgc/

Frosty, please post after you tried them.

Good Shooting

OnnO

Re: Sporting Goods

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Posted by Kerry Knudsen on March 28, 2001 at 09:02:37:

In Reply to: Sporting Goods posted by Bill on March 25, 2001 at 14:55:15:

Hi, Bill:

LeBaron's and Gagnon's are two Toronto-area retailers, and the Sidney I. Reynolds (S.I.R.) catalog from Winnipeg has a good, reasonable inventory.

Importantly, though, if you have not been an Ontario (or Canada) resident you have some headaches ahead. You will most likely need to re-take your hunter safety test and apply for a permit to possess a gun. The permit also is required to purchase ammunition.

If you are interested in non-hunting outdoor sports such as camping, climbing, canoeing or biking, Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC) and Hiker's Haven both have broad ranges of stuff, typically for the people willing to pay more.

kk

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Stephen on March 27, 2001 at 22:18:30:

In Reply to: Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Sid on March 27, 2001 at 19:38:02:

Just took the course this weekend. No such rule, steel only applies to migratory birds. Turkey are upland game.

Re: pal pol question?

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Posted by Kern on March 27, 2001 at 20:52:11:

In Reply to: pal pol question? posted by Rob S. on March 25, 2001 at 21:45:56:

Ive read that CO's will be checking for them.

Kern

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Kern on March 27, 2001 at 20:45:36:

In Reply to: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Vince on March 27, 2001 at 15:33:48:

Some tungsten iron/matrix combinations have pellet densities greater than lead...by just a tad. Since the energy delivered to the target is a function of velocity and mass(weight), then these loads will hit harder and reach out a tad farther then lead loads. All this means squat unless you know how your gun patterns at the distance you plan to use it with the shot size and choke combination you have.

This raises another question on how fatal is a fatal shot?? I recently read an article concerning 50yrd turkey shots. The writter claims if he cant consistanty put 16 pellets in the nech and head area of a target than he shortens the distance he shoots. It only takes one pellet to kill a tom.

Ive tried tungsten loads this past year in my 10ga for geese and was impressed, but if I can use lead shot on turkey, than there is no way Im forking out $4.00/shell for something just marginally better than lead.

There is a new kid on the block called Hevishot. Same kind of hype..they have a web site if you want to go look.

Kern

Re: Used 30.06 Price

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Posted by Sid on March 27, 2001 at 19:41:13:

In Reply to: Re: Used 30.06 Price posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 27, 2001 at 07:27:20:

The gun itself is in great condition. However, all the people I've talked to, say that the gun is way overpriced. I've been told that it should go for no more than 500. And honestly, I've seen ads in the Tri-Ad for that much (500).

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Sid on March 27, 2001 at 19:38:02:

In Reply to: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Vince on March 27, 2001 at 15:33:48:

Why aren't you using lead shot for Turkeys??? There's no rule out for using non-tox for gobblers, or is there ???????????

Re: Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by wicket on March 27, 2001 at 16:08:26:

In Reply to: Tungsten Iron shotshells??????? posted by Vince on March 27, 2001 at 15:33:48:

I have used tungsten matrix with a lot of sucess. They hit hard and pattern well. @ over 2 bucks a shell though I think I will stick with my steel 1's and use my head about the shots I take.

Tungsten Iron shotshells???????

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Posted by Vince on March 27, 2001 at 15:33:48:

There has been a lot of talk lately proclaiming that Tungsten Iron 12ga. shotshells are better than lead. Has anyone had a chance to try these babies out for themselves? I know they are definately a lot more expensive than lead but when you only get one shot a big Tom I would rather have the best I can buy. Any feedback about these shells would be helpful........Thanks.

Need to find gun range HELP!

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Posted by Frosty on March 27, 2001 at 15:08:00:

Good day all! I'm looking for a gun range that I can sight in my rifle and pattern my shogun at.I live just north of Toronto and can't find any.I was at the Barrie gun club a couple of weeks ago but there wasn't anyone around to help me.I heard there was one around Pearson airport,but I have yet to find it.Any info would be helpful. Thanks in advance! Frosty

Re: Used 30.06 Price

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Posted by Nimrod on March 27, 2001 at 14:12:29:

In Reply to: Used 30.06 Price posted by Sid on March 26, 2001 at 19:25:48:

I am not sure if you mean that the price is ridiculously low or ridiculously high! It sounds reasonable to me. Check for more obvious signs of wear, such as on the magazine, the magazine release and the bolt.

Re: Sporting Goods

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Posted by Bluebill on March 27, 2001 at 09:39:00:

In Reply to: Sporting Goods posted by Bill on March 25, 2001 at 14:55:15:

Bill, I know a company that will be on-line by mid April. The on-line store will have about 6,000 items (all hunting & gun/reloading supplies) Order by M/C, VISA or mail in. Excellent prices. Email me for the site. Bluebill

Re: Used 30.06 Price

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 27, 2001 at 07:27:20:

In Reply to: Used 30.06 Price posted by Sid on March 26, 2001 at 19:25:48:

Well, let's put it this way.....you can get a brand new 7400 at Gagnons for $850 or a brand new 7400 with synthetic stock for $710...both guns are plus tax so I guess the choice is up to you. Sounds like it might be a good deal to me depending on what sort of condition it's in & be sure to use a bore light & check down the barrel!

Used 30.06 Price

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Posted by Sid on March 26, 2001 at 19:25:48:

I know someone who is selling a 30.06 Remington 7400. He says that it's 3 years old and only been fired 3 times. He's also got a Simmons 3.5-10X scope on this gun. The gun looks to be well maintained. He wants 800.00 for this setup. Is it just me, or is this a rediculous price ??????? And what price should I offer him ????!!!!!!!????

Re: Turkey Decoys

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Posted by Nimrod on March 26, 2001 at 15:21:17:

In Reply to: Turkey Decoys posted by Kern on March 24, 2001 at 16:51:43:

Make no mistake, decoys are great, but an awful lot of turkeys have been bagged, here and elsewhere, without a decoy. The decoy serves to attract the gobblers attention away from the sound of the calling...your position. But birds will often come within range even without a decoy visible, especially if you are hunting with a buddy who is calling and is set up well behind you with you sitting between the caller and the gobbler. Again, his attention will not be focused on your position.

Re: pal pol question?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 26, 2001 at 05:55:50:

In Reply to: pal pol question? posted by Rob S. on March 25, 2001 at 21:45:56:

NO PAL FOR X-BOWS!!!!!!!!!!! AS OF YET, THAT IS!!!

pal pol question?

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Posted by Rob S. on March 25, 2001 at 21:45:56:

will the CO'S be checking for them this turkey hunt and do you need a pal for a x-bow?

Re: Sporting Goods

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Posted by BOSSTOM on March 25, 2001 at 18:22:50:

In Reply to: Sporting Goods posted by Bill on March 25, 2001 at 14:55:15:

Bill , what are you after ? I travel most stores in Ontario and maybe able to help ya Email me if you would like....BT

Re: Turkey Decoys

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Posted by BOSSTOM on March 25, 2001 at 18:19:58:

In Reply to: Re: Turkey Decoys posted by Frosty on March 24, 2001 at 18:56:07:

$40.00 bucks is a little high for one decoy , if you watch Canadian Tire there coming out with Turkey hunting supplies this spring and decoys are on the menu . Decoy's work well in different conditions and diff. setups ,most times a Tom will come to the Jake dek before the Hen to fight him away from the hen, so always place your jake the closes to ya in a good shooting lane. Another good trick is to set the hen dek close to the ground and place the jake on the top,back of her to make it look as if mating is taken place , this will make a Tom turn to fighting.Good luck this spring..BT

I like them with Long Sharp Spurs.....

Re: turkey in ontario

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Posted by BOSSTOM on March 25, 2001 at 18:08:40:

In Reply to: turkey in ontario posted by frank on March 24, 2001 at 23:34:32:

Frank , let us know where you are and then maybe we can talk and help ya, I've hunted Turkey's from GeorgianBay to Texas, South Dakota to Florida , so to help, a location would be a great start...BT

Sporting Goods

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Posted by Bill on March 25, 2001 at 14:55:15:

I recently moved to Toronto from New Jersey. Would like some help on some are sporting goods.

Thx

Bill

HOLD ON

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Posted by jason on March 25, 2001 at 10:06:17:

In Reply to: Re: everyone should read this .... posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 25, 2001 at 05:02:47:

he has already been given a fac years ago even after his past history was taken into effect. so why not give him a new one or even his pol this is what is troubleing me

Re: turkey in ontario

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 25, 2001 at 05:05:43:

In Reply to: turkey in ontario posted by frank on March 24, 2001 at 23:34:32:

I do believe that your local MNR office has maps of general areas where the turkey are. You could try that!!!

Re: everyone should read this ....

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 25, 2001 at 05:02:47:

In Reply to: Re: everyone should read this .... posted by Wes on March 24, 2001 at 18:24:57:

So far as i'm concerned, if you do the crime you do the time & live with the consequences no matter what age you are!!!!!!!! To goll darn many of the "young offenders" are doing serious crimes & shoting & killing people just because they know they are going to get a slap on the wrist!!!!!!!! That is bull poop......as I said at the start, they do the crime....they do the time & the record stays public for life unless they apply for & are granted a pardon!!!!!!!!!

Re: everyone should read this ....

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 25, 2001 at 05:01:56:

In Reply to: Re: everyone should read this .... posted by Wes on March 24, 2001 at 18:24:57:

So far as i'm concerned, if you do the crime you do the time & live with the consequences no matter what age you are!!!!!!!! To goll darn many of the "young offenders" are doing serious crimes & shoting & killing people just because they know they are going to get a slap on the wrist!!!!!!!! That is bull poop......as I said at the start, they do the crime....they do the time!!!!!!!!!

turkey in ontario

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Posted by frank on March 24, 2001 at 23:34:32:

any one wanna a helpp a first time hunter with a good area to try. Area is help enough i'll scout for exact location

Re: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy???

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Posted by Brad on March 24, 2001 at 22:22:56:

In Reply to: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

Try devonslegh kennel, Joanne in Norwood 705-639-1210, she has hunting labs, with a possible chocolate litter on the way. We have 4, 9 week old yellow males ready to go, not from hunting parents but very trainable, Ironridge kennel 705-793-1495 Carol

Re: Turkey Decoys

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Posted by Good Luck on March 24, 2001 at 19:43:53:

In Reply to: Turkey Decoys posted by Kern on March 24, 2001 at 16:51:43:

Up until this year, all I have ever used is one standing hen decoy with one side of its head coloured red with a magic marker. When it swings in the breeze, it will appear like a hen at one time and a jake at the next. It seems to drive the old gobblers crazy. I guess because they seen a hen and then she was gone a jake had moved in ahead of him. The kind I got is a 'Feather Flex'. Cost me around $29. Like I said, up until this year thats all I've used. This year, I plan to add in a second hen without the marker on one side. Not sure why I'm going to try it, but I am. Good luck with whatever you try.

Re: Turkey Decoys

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Posted by Frosty on March 24, 2001 at 18:56:07:

In Reply to: Turkey Decoys posted by Kern on March 24, 2001 at 16:51:43:

I would feel naked without my decoys in the woods. I always use a hen or two when I use my shotgun. Then I use a hen and jake when bow hunting.They really distract old Tom from my position.By the time he figures out its a dummy its too late. Hope this helps good luck!

Re: everyone should read this ....

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Posted by Wes on March 24, 2001 at 18:24:57:

In Reply to: Re: everyone should read this .... posted by Kern on March 24, 2001 at 16:40:51:

Consider the scenario where a YO commits murder at age 17 and does 3 years and then when s/he gets out,wants a firearms licence. Since the crime was committed as a YO, if the records were destroyed, there would be no grounds to refuse the licence. Would that make sense? Also, if YO records were not available, a minor applying for a Minor's Licence would get one regardless of his or her previous behaviour. To me, it is reasonable that a minor or adult should be subject to the same screening, which means the files must be available for review before a licence is issued. I would not want to think that an 18-20 yr. old living next door could get a PAL having been convicted of murder or serious assaults. If you look at the number of shootings in Toronto and the ages of those involved, many are YO's and it would be dangerous to give them a licence.

Turkey Decoys

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Posted by Kern on March 24, 2001 at 16:51:43:

Just wondering how good these decoys work.... Saw some today for $40.00 each...your choice of hens, toms or jakes. Sounds a little steep to me for one dek! Wouldnt think of going goose hunting without my deks, can the same be said for turkey deks??

Kern

Re: everyone should read this ....

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Posted by Kern on March 24, 2001 at 16:40:51:

In Reply to: everyone should read this .... posted by jason on March 23, 2001 at 19:35:34:

Holy sheep dip batman...I thought records racked up by Young Offenders were wiped clean once they become an adult?? Wasnt that the whole idea of the program in the first place???

BTW....I thoought there was an extension to this POL thing. Last month I bought 1/2 doz boxes of some special shells for the 10ga in ottawa and was told that they dont ask for the pol till april. Today in Gagnons, I had to show it to pick up a case of shells.

Re: everyone should read this ....

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Posted by Sid on March 24, 2001 at 14:05:46:

In Reply to: everyone should read this .... posted by jason on March 23, 2001 at 19:35:34:

My neighbour had some trouble when he was a youth also. When applying for his PAL, the police officer informed him that if the RCMP continued his application, that he would be refused. They informed him to call Pardons Canada to clear his record, and they returned his application and his cheque. 20 months later, his record was cleared last week. By the way, he travells to the U.S. frequently for work. If he would of ever been stopped and had his background checked, they would of found his records and had him put on the FBI records due to his violent offender charges. If cought, he would of never been able to clear his FBI records, and could never of returned to the States again. Luckily, he never was checked. He can now apply for his PAL again.

Re: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy???

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Posted by Sid on March 24, 2001 at 13:52:54:

In Reply to: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

I bought my lab from a breader in London, but they had to fold due to health reasons (the owner, not the dogs). I had my dog trained by a fellow named Karl Lechowski, he's in Muskoka. He also breads labs and raises with training. If you're intested his place is called Pennywood Farms and Kennels. 705-689-9988 or peniwood@muskoka.com.

Re: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy???

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 24, 2001 at 06:44:32:

In Reply to: Re: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by gunnermca on March 23, 2001 at 08:53:37:

Here is the info: JERRYRU KENNELS RR #1, COLDWATER, ONTARIO (705) 686-7482

Re: everyone should read this ....

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Posted by Wes on March 23, 2001 at 20:20:14:

In Reply to: everyone should read this .... posted by jason on March 23, 2001 at 19:35:34:

They are not going above or beyond the law. The Criminal Code undere C-68 S 184 allows access to a YO's record for the purpose the Firearms Act. The police, therefore, are within the law.

everyone should read this ....

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Posted by jason on March 23, 2001 at 19:35:34:

today my brother revieved a visit from the rcmp they were interviewing him in regards of his pal what really suprised me is that this officer had every detail of his history (my brother ran into some problems when he was young and when he was older ) but what im surprised at is they had his YOR (YOUNG OFFENDERS RECORD) thesed records are suposed to be sealed at the age of 18 this is going a little to far this gun regestry my brother has not been introuble for 12 years for them to bring up his yor is appaling but it just goes to show that they are above the law

Re: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy???

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Posted by Dave on March 23, 2001 at 16:35:01:

In Reply to: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

Try www.working-retriever.com or you might want to get in touch with a local professional retriever trainer and ask him/her for their advise on past and future breedings, they should be able to point you the right direction. There is a magazine published in Ont. for the field trialers, i believe its called "OnLine" Hopefully this helps.

How about a Toller?

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Posted by Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever on March 23, 2001 at 15:38:23:

In Reply to: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

http://www.hyflyerkennels.com/index.html

12 ga. 3" shotgun

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Posted by Fox on March 23, 2001 at 15:28:00:

My dad has a 12 ga. 3" Mossberg bolt action shotgun. It has a C-LECT choke (adjustable) from inproved to extra full. He wants to get rid of it, we are in the waterloo area. If you are interested please reply here. Thanks!

Re: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy???

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Posted by gunnermca on March 23, 2001 at 08:53:37:

In Reply to: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

I (and several friends) have bought great dogs from a breeder in Coldwater (near Barrie) called Jerryru (Gerryru???) kennels. The persons name is Ruth and her and her husband run a kennel that has black, yellow and chocolate labs.

She has plenty of dogs on site that are bred with dogs from all over NA. You can pretty well "custom" order a dog according to what size, characteristics etc. that you desire in a dog.

In dealing with this kennel, I have found them to be very upfront and reputable. I don't have the phone # handy, but they advertise in a lot of the hunting magazines (Ontario Out of Doors) and could probably be found on the WWW or by dialing directory assistance.

Good luck in your hunt.

get a brown chessie

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Posted by jason whyte on March 22, 2001 at 20:25:37:

In Reply to: Where Can I find a good hunting puppy??? posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

ever thought of a chesapeke bay they good dogs email me if you are intresed i can give you info on a good breeder

Where Can I find a good hunting puppy???

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Posted by BlueWing on March 22, 2001 at 20:03:07:

I am looking for a good hunting retriever and dont know where I can get one, I dont want just any puppy I would like one that has quality parents(dogs with a winning history). I am looking for a chocolate male, any help would be great.. thanks BW

Re: PAL and exporting

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Posted by Wes on March 22, 2001 at 17:58:55:

In Reply to: PAL and exporting posted by Nimrod on March 22, 2001 at 14:07:08:

The simple answer to your first question is YES. You are required to have a valid licence to possess firearms. Any excetions related to those who applied before Dec 31. The question is, how will it be enforced? That will depend on the police officer who finds you in possession. I suggest you leave your guns at home until you are licenced. As far as exporting for sale, if the owner is properly licenced, s/he can get an ATT (Authorization to Transport) the firearm to the border for the purpose of exportation. (This is issued by the Chief Firearms Officer - no fee). When this is done, the firearm is de-registered from the owner.

Wes

PAL and exporting

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Posted by Nimrod on March 22, 2001 at 14:07:08:

I have just mailed my application for a PAL. My FAC expires in April. Because I left it a little late, there will, no doubt, be quite a period of time between when my FAC expires and when I get my new PAL. Obviously, during that time I will not be able to purchase any firearms or ammunition. My question is, what about the the possession part of the (P)AL? Will I be in illegal possession of my own firearms for that period of time?

Also, anyone familiar with the process of exporting a firearm to the U.S. for sale. I believe that it is a restricted weapon (someone I knon is asking)?

Re: 12 gauge Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 21, 2001 at 23:29:24:

In Reply to: Re: 12 gauge Lee Load All II posted by Sid on March 21, 2001 at 21:26:23:

It's a single stage.

Re: 12 gauge Lee Load All II

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Posted by Sid on March 21, 2001 at 21:26:23:

In Reply to: 12 gauge Lee Load All II posted by Huntsman on March 21, 2001 at 09:41:54:

Is it a single stage or progessive???

12 gauge Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 21, 2001 at 09:41:54:

Anybody interested to buy one?

Manitoba Spring Bear Hunt

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Posted by Fischer on March 21, 2001 at 08:23:42:

Copied from another forum

"The Winnipeg Humane Society and IFAW have started their campaign again against our Spring Bear Hunt. Their argument is that there are too many orphaned cubs as a result of the hunt. We all know this is complete BS, as it's illegal to take sows with cubs.

I would greatly appreciate if you guys could call the Premiers office and vote "NO" to the cancellation. I believe it is a Touch-Tone phone poll. The numbers are: (204)945-3714 or (204)945-3715."

deer hunting Beagles for sale

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Posted by Ray Struthers on March 21, 2001 at 07:50:59:

Have some big beagle pups not registerd .Have a a pevious litter with 100% of pups sold starting in the first year they have a loud voice not chrippy 100$ a pup one male and four females left would like to sell to hunters because these are hunting dogs.references available and pictures by icq if wanted. e mail me at address above p.s should be ready to run this fall 8 weeks old dewormed.

Waterfowl

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Posted by Brent on March 19, 2001 at 18:18:44:

If any of you are interested, there a tons of birds in at Presquile Park. Lots of cans and redheads and real easy to see, with binoculars or a spotting scope.

Brent

www.chesapeakewaterfowlers.com

Re: Gunning for YOUR money!

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Posted by OnnO on March 18, 2001 at 11:30:15:

In Reply to: Re: Gunning for YOUR money! posted by Kern on March 17, 2001 at 13:25:41:

I knew, I knew and I do like to buy a nice gun by the old fashion way, but... can I? Can I show up in my favourite gun shop and buy a gun just with my ID and credir card? Sooorry, no more OLD FASHIO WAY! and I still waiting for my PAL.

OnnO

Re: Gunning for YOUR money!

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Posted by Kern on March 17, 2001 at 13:25:41:

In Reply to: Re: Gunning for YOUR money! posted by OnnO on March 16, 2001 at 22:18:47:

You'll never see anything like that in Canada. For those of us that want a Weatherby that bad, we'll have to buy one the old fashion way...

Kern

Re: Turkey Shot Shells

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Posted by Kern on March 17, 2001 at 12:44:50:

In Reply to: Turkey Shot Shells posted by Ole' Turkey Hunter on March 17, 2001 at 09:19:05:

Did you check Gagnons...I saw them there last time I was there a few weeks ago.

Kern

Re: Turkey Shot Shells

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Posted by Brent on March 17, 2001 at 11:31:08:

In Reply to: Turkey Shot Shells posted by Ole' Turkey Hunter on March 17, 2001 at 09:19:05:

Pretty sure they have them at Accuracy Plus in Peterborough.

Brent

Turkey Shot Shells

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Posted by Ole' Turkey Hunter on March 17, 2001 at 09:19:05:

Looking for help to find some Turkey Loads. I am looking for #6 "Winchester Supreme Double X Turkey Loads" in both 2 3/4" and 3". I cannot find them anywhere in my local stores and am now trying to locate some anywhere between Kingston to Peterborough. Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Gunning for YOUR money!

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Posted by OnnO on March 16, 2001 at 22:18:47:

In Reply to: Re: Gunning for YOUR money! posted by Kern on March 16, 2001 at 14:51:11:

Yeah, I will go for it for sure if it available in Canada than contributing to my RRSP! HeeHee.

OnnO

Re: Gunning for YOUR money!

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Posted by Kern on March 16, 2001 at 14:51:11:

In Reply to: Gunning for YOUR money! posted by OnnO on March 15, 2001 at 10:14:53:

I remember seeing adds like that in magazines. Not a bad way to get your hands on a nice Weatherby - those were the guns I saw being advertised in the add.

Kern

Re: Turkey Seminars

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 16, 2001 at 09:56:37:

In Reply to: Turkey Seminars posted by hutchman on March 15, 2001 at 13:19:04:

Only ones I know of are as follows: April 1 Toronto; March 4 Peterborough; March 24 Keswick; April 7&8 Barrie; April 22 Lindsay & April 29 Toronto. Looks like you have to drive to get into one & i'd recommmend you do it quick because they fill up really quick!!!! $21 in advance or $26 at the door if there is room. To register call the OFAH 705-748-6477 ext 219 or go to www.ofah.org & register onlilne...............hope this helps & keep gobbling...........

Re: PAL

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Posted by reloaded on March 15, 2001 at 16:36:04:

In Reply to: Re: PAL posted by Screemin Reel on March 15, 2001 at 10:40:34:

It's pretty darn frusrating, isn't it? I went through all that, and I must say I was very surprised to actually get through to them! I sent mine in the second week of November, and after countless calls ( getting the same reply each time, "your application is still being processed" ), I was told last week it was with the Chief Firearms Office, and they have the final say on it after they checked my references. I called ealier this week, and was told it was issued last week, and I should have it soon. I got it yesterday in the mail. Did you try the number and extension I posted yesterday? Good luck, SR!

Re: Turkey Seminars

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Posted by Steve on March 15, 2001 at 15:04:19:

In Reply to: Turkey Seminars posted by hutchman on March 15, 2001 at 13:19:04:

Durham hasn't had a turkey seminar for about three years unfortunately. The one in Kendal was cancelled due to lack of enrolment and the one scheduled for Bowmanville two years ago was canceled for the same reason. I took mine at Trillium Trails about four years ago and I don't think there's been one here since. Sorry, but I think you've got a drive ahead of you.

Turkey Seminars

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Posted by hutchman on March 15, 2001 at 13:19:04:

Has anyone heard of any upcoming Turkey Seminars other than the ones listed on the ofah website? The reason for my question is I live in the Bowmanville/Newcastle area and I don't feel like driving to Lindsay to take the course. Has anyone heard of anything in the Oshawa area. I heard that Kendal had a course last year but I haven't heard of anything this year. Thanks in advance.

Re: where to start?

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Posted by Western Willy on March 15, 2001 at 12:54:34:

In Reply to: where to start? posted by Rob S on March 15, 2001 at 12:04:06:

You voted Alliance!Whipdedoo!!I voted for Stock too just look at the crook he turned out to be!They will a screw you ol son.It's just a matter of time!

where to start?

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Posted by Rob S on March 15, 2001 at 12:04:06:

My wife and I both sent are pol appl.in the month of Oct 2000. my wife got hers the first week of Jan, mine is still not issued. Whats the best # to call to find out its status, I live in ONT and voted ALLiance!

Re: PAL

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Posted by Screemin Reel on March 15, 2001 at 10:40:34:

In Reply to: PAL posted by reloaded on March 14, 2001 at 18:17:40:

How long did you have to wait?When did you send in your application?I ask because I am having problems with the CFC.I have called them numerous times over the last month.The first few times I was told that a temp licence was issued to me way back in January.When I called last week to see why I have not yet received a licence after almost 2 months I was told it was sent and if I did,nt get it.THAT WAS BETWEEN ME AND CANADA POST!!!This is what the Liberals call a Public Servant??Now,today I call and someone else tells me that I was not issued a temp and my application is still being worked on!!What was it that was said in that Paul Newman movie? WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE!

Gunning for YOUR money!

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Posted by OnnO on March 15, 2001 at 10:14:53:

From March 12's Toronto Star: a bank in Traverse City, Mich. is giving out either a shotgun or a rifle (can't tell which make from the photo but looks quite good from the wooden stock). Just if you plunk down a couple of thousand dollars for 20 years certificate of deposit. And the president of the bank, Ron Ford said this program attracted customers from all 50 states and worked pretty well!

I need to salute to Ron for his bravery under the atmosphere right now.

Re: Gun Bluing

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Posted by Herb on March 14, 2001 at 23:43:06:

Thanks Blackwolf for recommending Ontario Gun Service. James did a fine job. Herb.

Re: Gun Bluing.

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Posted by Herb on March 14, 2001 at 23:37:08:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Bluing. posted by Blackwolf on February 05, 2001 at 18:41:19:

Thanks Blackwolf. Ontario Gun Service did a fine job.

Herb.

PAL

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Posted by reloaded on March 14, 2001 at 18:17:40:

Hi.. I just recieved my PAL in the mail, finally! I just wanted to post this to give those of you still waiting some hope. If you're still waiting, the number for the Chief Firearms Office for Ontario is (800)731-4000 extension 7503. You'll have better luck if you call later in the day. Good luck, and watch out, turkeys!!

Matt Ende

24.68.93.45 24.68.93.45

Posted by Braden on March 13, 2001 at 20:29:26:

Hey bud, I've been trying to reach you the last 2 weeks to no avail! Whens a good time?

Braden

Duck Decoys

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Posted by Brent on March 13, 2001 at 08:29:39:

Just wondering if there is anyone visiting the board here that is carving their own gunning decoys. I have recently started making my own cork decoys. They are actually turning out not too bad and it is quite a bit of fun in the off-season. Making cans, redheads and bluebills right now and hope to have a full diver rig by next fall. I'm interested in talking to others in the province that are doing the same.

Brent

Re: Westerners?

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Posted by Kern on March 12, 2001 at 14:08:29:

In Reply to: Westerners? posted by Iza Biza on March 10, 2001 at 08:07:14:

Well its a Liberal Bill thought up of by a liberal. We all know the traditional Federal Liberal vote has always come from the urban centers of Quebec and Ontario. A party only has to sweep one or most of those 2 provinces to win as we saw with the Block Que. not too long ago.

Now I havent bumped into any of these p.o'd westerners online or otherwise but I can imagine that they would be blaming alot of stuff on central Canada namely the last election that saw the Liberals and their politics swept into power again. Isnt there another separtist movment brewing out there again???

Kern

Re: Westerners?

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Posted by OnnO on March 12, 2001 at 10:38:17:

In Reply to: Re: Westerners? posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 11, 2001 at 04:52:09:

Folks, Don't benefit OUR enemies by aiming at our friends!

Shooters, gun collectors, bear hunters, deer hunters....as long as those who legally participated in the sport, and have a TRUE heart to love the game and nature. They are friends and may be brothers.

Be united! Aim for the right target.

Re: Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 11, 2001 at 09:06:25:

In Reply to: Re: Lee Load All II posted by Brent on March 11, 2001 at 05:02:07:

On my press there is no hole in the back of the crimping die. In the instruction it says when loading 3 inch shells not to pull the handle down to a complete stop on station 4 & 5. That would be the crimp starter and the crimping die. I wonder if that puts the proper taper on the shell.

Re: Lee Load All II

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Posted by Brent on March 11, 2001 at 05:02:07:

In Reply to: Re: Lee Load All II posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 18:18:36:

If you look on the back of the crimping piece (probably black) there should be two holes to adust the height for different length shells. B.

Re: Westerners?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 11, 2001 at 04:52:09:

In Reply to: Re: Westerners? posted by Fischer on March 10, 2001 at 18:56:08:

RIght on partner!!!!!!!!!! Oh, don't think i'm a westerner, i'm a true blue Ontarian who thinks these guns laws should be shoved up the governments a$$!!!! They are only penalizing the legit guns owners, not the criminals........just my goll darn 2 cents worth!!!!!!

Re: Westerners?

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Posted by Fischer on March 10, 2001 at 18:56:08:

In Reply to: Re: Westerners? posted by Iza Biza on March 10, 2001 at 15:06:25:

Information I've heard is that there are more legal gun owners in Ontario than in all of the rest of Canada combined.

Unfortunately, there are also more illegal guns in the Jane-Finch corridor in Toronto, than legal guns in the rest of Ontario.

And that, my friends, is what the politicians play on.

Re: Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 18:18:36:

In Reply to: Re: Lee Load All II posted by Brent on March 10, 2001 at 16:33:58:

Brent, I guess I will keep it. Did you ever load 3 inch shells in that Lee? The instructions says you can do it.

Re: Lee Load All II

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Posted by Brent on March 10, 2001 at 16:33:58:

In Reply to: Re: Lee Load All II posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:43:26:

I have used two 12 ga. and a 20 ga. Lee. Loaded several thousands of rounds for trap and skeet. Never had a problem. They are very basic but once you get going, you can do a box in about 10 minutes. There are other fancier faster loaders but you should have no problem with the Lee.

Brent

Re: Westerners?

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Posted by Iza Biza on March 10, 2001 at 15:06:25:

In Reply to: Re: Westerners? posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:31:43:

Man!I have got a lot of attitude from Western Hunters.Mainly Albertans.I have been biting my tounge now for a couple of years. It's frustraiting and I just wanted to vent a little and I figured you Ontario hunters would know what I was talking about.

Re: Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:43:26:

In Reply to: Lee Load All II posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:39:10:

Sorry for the double post.

Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:39:38:

Hi all. I received a Lee Load All II shotshell loader. Is anybody using one of these and how do you like it. Please post all bad and good things about it.

Thank you.

Lee Load All II

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Posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:39:10:

Hi all. I received a Lee Load All II shotshell loader. Is anybody using one of these and how do you like it. Please post all bad and good things about it.

Thank you.

Re: Westerners?

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Posted by Huntsman on March 10, 2001 at 11:31:43:

In Reply to: Westerners? posted by Iza Biza on March 10, 2001 at 08:07:14:

I think you are right. I think they blame the easterners that the Liberals were voted in again and we all are stuck with the new gun laws. They don't realize that not all easterners voted for the Liberals.

Westerners?

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Posted by Iza Biza on March 10, 2001 at 08:07:14:

This is not meant to start a fight but does antone here find that western Canadians on other message boards have an attitude? I find that westerners feel the gun laws are our fault and that here in the east we did not do out part.I feel they just have a general attitude toward us in the east. What are your feelings on this subject?

Re: goose hunt picture

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Posted by Bluebill on March 09, 2001 at 09:34:08:

In Reply to: goose hunt picture posted by Matt Ward on March 08, 2001 at 17:52:12:

Matt, where about's are you hunting in Ottawa. I live there to and usually hunt Geese aroung Carp and down in Richmond (late season) I do a ton of duck hunting out on Mississipi Lake in CArleton Place. I know what you mean though. I used to live in Buckhorn, north of Peterborough and I have never seen Geese and duck like it here. Black Skies! Bluebill

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by Stephen on March 08, 2001 at 19:01:10:

In Reply to: P.E.T.A. posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 07, 2001 at 06:23:50:

Kind of like getting the bonus hat in a case of beer. Bag a deer, get a nearly new vest with a hole in it.

Can I come next year?

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Posted by Fox on March 08, 2001 at 18:50:19:

In Reply to: goose hunt picture posted by Matt Ward on March 08, 2001 at 17:52:12:

I have been goose hunting 2 years now and haven't hit one yet. We got one duck after about thirty round one day. They were low enough but we couldn't get the lead right.

goose hunt picture

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Posted by Matt Ward on March 08, 2001 at 17:52:12:

[IMG]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1574500&a=11968618&p=43080967[/IMG] I hope that that worked. If it didn't try cutting and pasting http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1574500&a=11968618&p=43080967 This was one hunt where we shot a 4 man 8 bird limit of 32 birds in the early season in Ottawa. I was at work for 9:00 in the morning the geese just kept coming in.

Matt

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 08, 2001 at 05:48:01:

In Reply to: Re: P.E.T.A. posted by OnnO on March 07, 2001 at 12:58:54:

Well I surely hope they do!!! Then we can legally shoot those tree hugging idiots!!!!!!!! I'd love to have a couple mounted up on the wall beside Bambi & Bullwinkle!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: just took my turkey test and......

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Posted by wicket on March 07, 2001 at 20:56:44:

In Reply to: just took my turkey test and...... posted by jason whyte on March 04, 2001 at 17:45:55:

I agree with Jason, I thought the course was bogus and didn't like the preprinted certs. Just another money grab by the ofah and the mnr.

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by OnnO on March 07, 2001 at 12:58:54:

In Reply to: Re: P.E.T.A. posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 07, 2001 at 10:49:21:

You know what, Redneck, I think next time those antis may smart enought to dress themselves up as deers to confuse hunters. HeeHee! They're smarta!!

May be hunters may get more rewards from this kind of trophy than turning in deer's vest.

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 07, 2001 at 10:49:21:

In Reply to: Re: P.E.T.A. posted by OnnO on March 07, 2001 at 10:09:14:

Low & behold, the article in Ontario Out of Doors indicated that not one hunting related accident happened & that all the shot 'hunter orange' vests turned in, had been worn by deer not humans!!!!!!!!!! PETA BLOWS ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by OnnO on March 07, 2001 at 10:09:14:

In Reply to: Re: P.E.T.A. posted by Dave on March 07, 2001 at 08:36:22:

Once again those antis show their concern about animal's life than human life. What if hunters made themself a custom to looking for and shooting at hunter orange bearing OBJECT! May be tthis is the reason behind those PETA people.

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by Dave on March 07, 2001 at 08:36:22:

In Reply to: Re: P.E.T.A. posted by Steve on March 07, 2001 at 08:17:27:

I saw that story too, I believe it was in this month's Outdoor Canada, or possibly Ontario Out of Doors. Seemed to be a legit story to me.

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Posted by username on March 07, 2001 at 08:33:03:

In Reply to: Secrets... Secrets.... posted by Wait See on April 12, 2000 at 15:19:20:

password

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by Steve on March 07, 2001 at 08:17:27:

In Reply to: Re: P.E.T.A. posted by Fischer on March 07, 2001 at 08:09:36:

That's the first thing I wondered about when I first heard about this last week. First of all, I doubted its credibility because live-capturing deer is no easy matter. Did they use nets...tranquilizing drugs..? Either way, I doubth whether those bozos have the intelligence and resources to do something like that. Secondly, I'm not sure any Fish and Game authority would condone such behaviour and they certainly wouldn't issue permits for that type of endeavour. If (and I stress IF) this really happened - they should be charged with cruelty to animals and harrassment for putting the deer through all that stress. Personally, I have my doubts whether it's a genuine story.

Re: P.E.T.A.

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Posted by Fischer on March 07, 2001 at 08:09:36:

In Reply to: P.E.T.A. posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 07, 2001 at 06:23:50:

I wonder which bloody idiot at the Ohio DFG gave them permits to capture these deer in order to do it.

If they didn't have permits, they should be charged with illegal hunting - because that's technically what they were doing!

P.E.T.A.

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on March 07, 2001 at 06:23:50:

Anyone hear about PETA's latest attempt to disrupt the deer hunt in the Ohio area? The fools, capture a bunch of deer & put 'hunter orange' vests on the captured deer & then released them, hoping the hunters wouldn't shoot the deer. I sure hope those PETA idiots come up to my deer hunting area this year & outfit some nice big 10 & 12 point bucks with a nice 'hunter orange' vest!!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of stupid idiots those PETA people are. Hell, even a hunting store in the area offered a $5 reward for each 'deer vest' turned in!!!!!!!!! Come on PETA, i'll show you where I hunt so you can 'vest' the deer for me......let's me see them coming through the bush a mile away!!!! Way to go PETA, keep up the good work, YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA

Re: PAL

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Posted by Rick Teal on March 06, 2001 at 20:38:01:

In Reply to: Re: PAL posted by Nimrod on March 06, 2001 at 10:40:09:

I received a certificate in the mail several months after passing the course, that I've kept.

I hate to direct anyone to consult our Provincial firearms offices, but that will probably be your best bet for getting the definitive answer.

Re: OFAH

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Posted by OnnO on March 06, 2001 at 19:42:49:

In Reply to: Re: OFAH posted by artman on March 06, 2001 at 12:27:41:

CHEX(Durham channel) and channel 11, on saturaday morning 7:30pm and 8:00pm.

Re: OFAH

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Posted by Brent on March 06, 2001 at 18:26:56:

In Reply to: Re: OFAH posted by wicket on March 06, 2001 at 16:25:10:

Yes it was a bluebird day, we should have been walleye fishing. We had one bunch decoy first thing and that was it. Unfortunately we had quite a few days like that this season. However, we had some of those days where you take your limit and then sit back and just watch em keep piling in to the blocks.

What a grand sport!!! And even better when you are face to face in a layout boat!!!

Brent

Re: OFAH

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Posted by wicket on March 06, 2001 at 16:25:10:

In Reply to: Re: OFAH posted by artman on March 06, 2001 at 12:27:41:

Having guided on bright sunny windless days like the day you had Brent, I know all too well the torture you endured with a hunter that wants to stay out.

Re: OFAH

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Posted by artman on March 06, 2001 at 12:27:41:

In Reply to: Re: OFAH posted by OnnO on March 05, 2001 at 09:34:15:

What channel are you watching this show on? I would be very interested in watching it.

Re: To Steve Redgwell (303 brit)

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on March 06, 2001 at 10:56:50:

In Reply to: To Steve Redgwell (303 brit) posted by Fox on March 05, 2001 at 16:45:50:

P-14s and No5s aren't too difficult to find. It's a matter of nosing around the gun shops or checking some of the on line stores. Some have been sporterised of course and unless I know who I'm dealing with, I don't buy rifles on the net. WRT the No 7 rifle, this bird is a bit harder to find. I would post to and keep my eyes on the Commonwealth wpns and CDN Trader forums.

Commonwealth Wpns - http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=canadianweapons Trader - http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=canadiantrader

Serious collectors should check out http://denner.hogarth.com

That should start you off. If you have a gun shop that you visit from time to time, tell someone there what you're after and get a copy of the gun show schedule. It's fun to dig through stuff at these places. Every once in a while, you'll turn up a bargain.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303brtish.com

Re: PAL

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Posted by Nimrod on March 06, 2001 at 10:40:09:

In Reply to: Re: PAL posted by bp hound on March 02, 2001 at 11:45:58:

So where do I get the defintive word on whether I need to take the test again or not? And how do I prove that I passed the test before. Isn't the fact that I still have a valid FAC for another 2 months proof?

Re: just took my turkey test and......

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Posted by DUMB ASH RED NECKHUNTER on March 06, 2001 at 05:24:27:

In Reply to: Re: just took my turkey test and...... posted by bowhunter on March 05, 2001 at 08:31:22:

The course was very good & more than just about safety & the price was reasonable!!!! What more can I say other than GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Deer sheds

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Posted by Brad on March 05, 2001 at 23:45:19:

In Reply to: Deer sheds posted by Fox on March 01, 2001 at 15:41:57:

Saw 9 deer together yesterday not one with a head display. Snow is still too deep here racks tend to disapear in the fluffy stuff. I usuall try now but can't quite find a yard yet. I'll go back out when the snow is melting. Bring a dogf thier pretty good at uncovering old pairs.

Little Britain area? no msg

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Posted by Brad on March 05, 2001 at 23:42:00:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting near Homes posted by Bert on March 03, 2001 at 15:57:47:

no msg

Re: Turkey lectures

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Posted by Sean on March 05, 2001 at 21:28:37:

In Reply to: Turkey lectures posted by Fox on March 05, 2001 at 16:41:51:

Check out ofah.org they have a list of all seminar dates, and locations

To Steve Redgwell (303 brit)

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Posted by Fox on March 05, 2001 at 16:45:50:

I would like to start to collect military bolt action rifles. I have a No.1 MkIII, 1915 sportarized and was wondering what is the rarity of P-14,No.5 Jungle Carbine and .22 trainer enfield rifles. Thanks!

Turkey lectures

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Posted by Fox on March 05, 2001 at 16:41:51:

When is the next turkey lecture in this area (Waterloo Region), are their any not far from here? This would be appreciated seeing that on Saturday at my uncles farm someone saw 6 on his property and in the summer you can see up to 20.

Re: just took my turkey test and......

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Posted by Nimrod on March 05, 2001 at 15:37:41:

In Reply to: just took my turkey test and...... posted by jason whyte on March 04, 2001 at 17:45:55:

In fairness, the course does teach more than just safety, such as calls, calling, techniques, equipment, etc., and since turkeys are still a new thing to a lot of people, that's probably a good idea. In terms of safety, they do teach you to not try to stalk a turkey, to sit with a wide tree at your back, and not to wear red, white or blue, etc. As for the level of difficulty, it is not the main HUNTER SAFETY COURSE; you will have already passed that and presumably learned the basics before taking this course. This is just a little extra instruction. Frankly, I found the price to be reasonable and the course useful and enjoyable. There are a lot of real rip offs out there, but I don't feel that this is one of them. Plus, I believe that at least part of the money goes toward the trap and transfer program.

Re: OFAH

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Posted by OnnO on March 05, 2001 at 09:34:15:

In Reply to: OFAH posted by Brent on March 05, 2001 at 07:14:21:

I did...actually, halfly. It was very tough to get up that early on Sat.

Interesting show...uhm...are you the same Brent that running the same kind of bisiness in Quinte area?

I'm a wannabe hunter(just passed my PAL test last week) and you're on top of my list, but you know how long I needed to pick up my lic and own gun.

Any new info please send directly to my email, anyway, I keep chking your website every week.

Hope to see you soon... and get my first duck.

Thanx

Re: just took my turkey test and......

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Posted by bowhunter on March 05, 2001 at 08:31:22:

In Reply to: just took my turkey test and...... posted by jason whyte on March 04, 2001 at 17:45:55:

When I took the course they spent part of the time talking about how to identify a gobbler from a hen and calling techniques. Since at that point I had never seen a wild turkey, it was probably worthwhile. Although, I probably didn't learn anything I couldn't have learned from lots of other sources (magazines, video).

OFAH

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Posted by Brent on March 05, 2001 at 07:14:21:

Just wondering if anyone saw tne OFAH show with the layout duck hunt a week and a half ago??

Thanks, Brent

Re: Turkey Opener

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Posted by Dave on March 04, 2001 at 23:09:49:

In Reply to: Turkey Opener posted by Brent on March 03, 2001 at 20:05:22:

April 25- 50 days & counting

just took my turkey test and......

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Posted by jason whyte on March 04, 2001 at 17:45:55:

id like to know how they could justify taking my money . when i started hunting i was told that saftey was up most important (they taught me that at the hunter saftey course for a fee) and again at my FAC test at a fee and again today. 21 dollars is no big expence to me but if they told me where the money is going i would not complain but come on 22 years of hunting and i pay again for a saftey test again (hell they even had all the certificats pre printed and nobody failed that either tells me the test is to easy or we are all safe hunters (witch i find hard to belive ) ps sorry just had to vent my anger spent all day couped up in a lecture hall learning more saftey .........

Re: Deer sheds

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Posted by Boone on March 04, 2001 at 12:55:33:

In Reply to: Deer sheds posted by Fox on March 01, 2001 at 15:41:57:

I usually go in late March / early April as they show up easier when the snow is gone. Start checking around winter bedding and feeding areas and then branch out to the trails leading to those areas. I've found quite a few along fencelines too.

Re: Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by Boone on March 04, 2001 at 12:53:37:

In Reply to: Attention:Important Please Read.... posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 11:17:39:

I think the hunting show is organized by Ontario Out of Doors Magazine. Get the phone number from the masthead of one of the issues, pick up the phone and call Burt Myers or John Kerr. Tell them how you feel.

Re: Turkey Opener

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Posted by KC on March 04, 2001 at 07:33:16:

In Reply to: Turkey Opener posted by Brent on March 03, 2001 at 20:05:22:

April 25 to May 31,2001

Turkey Opener

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Posted by Brent on March 03, 2001 at 20:05:22:

Does anyone know the date the spring turkey season opens on this year????

Thanks in advance, Brent

Re: Hunting near Homes

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Posted by Bert on March 03, 2001 at 15:57:47:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting near Homes posted by Brent Mason on March 03, 2001 at 13:25:22:

Thanks for the response guys. My lot is just west of Lindsay.

Any Calling Compitions Coming Up..

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Posted by Ron on March 03, 2001 at 15:41:37:

Are there any duck and goose calling compitions coming up..If so were and when..I heard of one in toronto this weekend is it true.. thanks

Re: Hunting near Homes

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Posted by Brent Mason on March 03, 2001 at 13:25:22:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting near Homes posted by Dave on March 03, 2001 at 10:49:30:

Herb:

Where is your land?? I work in Peterborough and live in the new "city" of Kawartha Lakes. As far as your question, if you were to encounter a problem it would probably be under "careless hunting" in the Fish and Game Act or "careless use of a firearm" under the Criminal Code.

Maybe we are going to be neighbours??

Brent

Re: Hunting near Homes

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Posted by Kern on March 03, 2001 at 12:19:08:

In Reply to: Hunting near Homes posted by Herb on March 03, 2001 at 09:53:43:

There are no laws as such other than common sense on the hunters part. Best thing to do is find out who owns the land and the stand and let them know you are building a house there. I suspect you are building outside of city limits so any local bylaws probably wont apply.

Re: Hunting near Homes

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Posted by Dave on March 03, 2001 at 10:49:30:

In Reply to: Hunting near Homes posted by Herb on March 03, 2001 at 09:53:43:

I believe distances from buildings is treated on a municipality basis. Check your local bylaws and that should tell you. If it is a very unpopulated area then there is a good chance there is no restriction, just the usual distances from roads etc. If there is no restriction, find out who owns the land and talk to him, they might make you feel better or even move further into the bush.

Hunting near Homes

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Posted by Herb on March 03, 2001 at 09:53:43:

Hi guys, I just recently bought a few acres of land in the Kawartha Lakes region. I am planning to start building my home next month. I do not own the bush behind my lot and I do know that they deer hunt there in the fall. My question is this. How far must a hunter stay away from my house even though it could be his land. I say this because there is a tree stand back there and if the deer runs between the hunter and my house he could possibly be shooting at my house! I know most hunters know better but when that big buck goes running by you may get caught up in the excitment and fire. Any info would be appreciated.

Re: Contact your MP!!!!

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Posted by KC on March 03, 2001 at 06:20:20:

In Reply to: Contact your MP!!!! posted by Bluebill on February 28, 2001 at 09:22:27:

Interesting site. Thank you.

Re: Blood stain on this page?

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Posted by Kern on March 02, 2001 at 23:26:10:

In Reply to: Re: Blood stain on this page? posted by Anthony.. on March 02, 2001 at 22:48:54:

Expand the headers on the email to reveal the servers used for the email and notify the postmaster at the originating IP.

Kern

Re: Blood stain on this page?

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Posted by Anthony.. on March 02, 2001 at 22:48:54:

In Reply to: Blood stain on this page? posted by OnnO on March 02, 2001 at 20:17:14:

I too, am questioning these anti's because my email is only avaible on the hunting boards, and I am getting a virus sent to me.My computer never got it, because I am aware of the viruses going around (i am in the computer buisness).And a while back another fellow hunter had the same problem..I have very little doubt that they are using cheap tactics. I hope we can catch these low lifes and nail there a$$e$ to the wall they have no right coming here and disturbing us..they can come and read and post yes, but start sh*t and thats were my bload boiles. lets find the culprits, and beat them at there own game, get the feds involved... we have right too... thanks Anth.

Blood stain on this page?

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Posted by OnnO on March 02, 2001 at 20:17:14:

2 or 3 days before(I chk this page several times a day, so I forgot the exact date) I found blood stains all over this page, and I wondered nobody mention about this after then.

If it was an act from those blood loving antis who hacked into this page, then it is a criminal offence.

Any idea?

March Update - Cases & Stuff

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on March 02, 2001 at 19:43:46:

This month at 303british.com, I've got an article on case capacities - how to measure the differences between military/commercial & new vs fired brass. This should help new reloaders of any calibre. 303 British, 308 Win/7.62 NATO cases are used. Of course, you can poke through the other stuff about reloading and firearms.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by Bluebill on March 02, 2001 at 19:33:24:

In Reply to: Re: Attention:Important Please Read.... posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 18:19:59:

Blue Wing, check your E-mail. Bluebill

Re: Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 18:19:59:

In Reply to: Re: Attention:Important Please Read.... posted by Bluebill on March 02, 2001 at 16:25:14:

I would like to check out some of your products, do you have website, catolouge or something... e-mail me and I will hook you up with a great guy that has only top notch calls... thanks BW p.s See what I mean the call makers I mentioned are championship call makers and not many have heard of them its real sad I mean even if you cant afford them would you not want to look at them, its just like cars, you still oh and ah when a ferrari passes same for any goose hunter who sees a top notch call..

Re: Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by Bluebill on March 02, 2001 at 16:25:14:

In Reply to: Re: Attention:Important Please Read.... posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 14:53:26:

I hear ya. Can you post the links of some of the call makers you mentioned. I would not mind checking some of them out. I can sell stuff much cheaper than most hunting stores, even the Walmart's & Canadian Tires. We are web based and have no overhead. Those Haydel call they sell at Walmart for $24.99 are costing them about $9.99. I have a lot of requests for a better quality call.

Bluebill

Re: Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 14:53:26:

In Reply to: Re: Attention:Important Please Read.... posted by Bluebill on March 02, 2001 at 14:09:43:

I know not many want to shell out the bucks but many have never used or heard of these call makers,once they try them they will notice the differnce besides it a show its supposed to show the best of the best..I would love to see some calls made by canucks,and I feel that this would help them out, because they can get compared to Foiles,Zink,and prove that they are just as good.. I mean if I am going to a show I want to see the best of the best..dont care were it comes from.... About the money issue many people think your crazy spending that much on a call, I thought that way too until I got my Foiles SM. Worth every penny..People who buy cheaper calls you usally buy a tone of them, instead they could just buy a custom call instead. (canadien or us made doesnt matter).My ucle is a real cheap guy and once he blew my foiles he orderd one too... I myself up until I baught my Foiles spent over 100$ on cheap calls this year...No more of that thanks BW p.s I just want to see top quality gear at a show, if I wanted to see cheaper things I would just go to wal-mart...oh ya just orderd a Saunders Acrylic Goose call to my lanyard..Now I have two goose calls that will handle every situation, I did'nt need the Saunders but I always wanted to have one...

Re: Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by Bluebill on March 02, 2001 at 14:09:43:

In Reply to: Attention:Important Please Read.... posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 11:17:39:

I could not agree with you more! The issue is that calls such as Haydel's, Knight & Hale,Mad Dod, etc.. are good calls, but they are affordable. I am in the hunting business and deal with many manufacturers. Most of the calls that I know of (good ones) made in Canada, range from 100 to 150 bucks! Only a few people are willing to put out that kind of dough for a call. By the way, mine is a Canadian company. Located near Ottawa. I have some contacts who will be going to the show and I will express the concerns I have heard to them.

One other thing, I wrote my MP about my concerns about the gun laws and aboriginal hunting and got a reply back yesterday. Funny thing is, I wrote the email to them 14 months ago! Now that's bad. Bluebill

Re: PAL

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Posted by bp hound on March 02, 2001 at 11:45:58:

In Reply to: Re: PAL posted by Rick Teal on February 28, 2001 at 19:38:42:

I renewed mine in 2000 and I had to re-apply and send in proof that i passed the test.

Attention:Important Please Read....

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Posted by BlueWing on March 02, 2001 at 11:17:39:

I was brought to the attention that at this years fall hunting show in toronto..they are not going to invite any call makers that are not canadien..This kinda sucks! I mean there would be many more people going if they new that top call makers were going there..Especially since they have a calling compition and most guys blow a call made in the US, last year the compition was one using a Zink.. I mean patroitism has no place when it comes to hunting we all go after the same birds especially waterfowlers..I mean who would not go to the show only just to see Foiles,Zink,Keats,Saunders calls on display..I would pay just to see and try those calls and talk with those guys..I mean not many of us have ever even tried a custom call..I agree though that we should support canadiens in the hunting buisness, but they will never take off onless they are compared to the best..and right now US callmaker have the advatage.. So if any one has any way of reaching the organiziers of the show POST UP, so we can let them know we want to have the best of the best at our hunting show weather its US or Canadien I mean is'nt the show supposed to be about getting the best products displayed for us canadiens.... thanks BW p.s I think if we express our concerns we might get the message across........

Re: Wild Turkey hunting

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Posted by BOWHUNTER on March 02, 2001 at 10:22:19:

In Reply to: Re: Wild Turkey hunting posted by Matt Ende on March 02, 2001 at 01:07:09:

I what your saying about being hened up. The Jake I shot last year was actually with two hens and came in silent. I was handcuffed but managed to shoulder the gun. It was actually the hens that came to the decoys with the jake following. The hens actually hung up out of range for about 15 min. before coming in closer. Hard to stay still with 50 black flies and mosquitoes biting your nose through your face cover.

Re: Wild Turkey hunting

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Posted by Matt Ende on March 02, 2001 at 01:07:09:

In Reply to: Wild Turkey hunting posted by Matt Ende on February 22, 2001 at 21:28:24:

I called one in last year to about 30 yards, but he hung up on top of a small rise and refused to come down to the decoy. About 2 weeks into the season, they got henned up real bad, and we tried and tried, but just couldn't tear the buggers away from their hens. I like the diaphragms, too, especially the HS and MAD split-v's with 2 or 3 reeds. I like a slate call for nice purrs and when 'cuttin and runnin', but have a strong preference for the mouth calls.

Re: Deer sheds

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Posted by bowhunter on March 01, 2001 at 16:16:48:

In Reply to: Deer sheds posted by Fox on March 01, 2001 at 15:41:57:

Just saw a nice buck last week, still wearing his crown, so I don't think you're too late.

Ed

Deer sheds

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Posted by Fox on March 01, 2001 at 15:41:57:

I have never found any deer sheds around here but would like to. Have any of you guys found any, is this the time to look for them or am I too late.

Thanks....(no msg)

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Posted by David C on March 01, 2001 at 08:00:23:

In Reply to: Re: What a Quagmire!!/phone# posted by Screemin Reel on February 23, 2001 at 11:51:31:

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Re: PAL

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Posted by Rick Teal on February 28, 2001 at 19:38:42:

In Reply to: PAL posted by Nimrod on February 28, 2001 at 14:47:06:

I got a PAL almost 2 years ago, and I wasn't required to take the test again. Off hand, though, I can't remember if I had to provide proof of having passed the test, or if they already had this info. I tend to think the former.

One advantage to those of us who took the original test, is that we are qualified for both restricted and non-restricted firearms, without having to take 2 tests. You never know which guns they may add to the restricted list next.

Want a quick POL?

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Posted by Bob on February 28, 2001 at 19:31:12:

Just don't be Canadian. That's right, acording to this months Point Blank, a foreigner can get a 60 day POL and registration just by filling out a simple form! No background checks, no firearms test, nothing at all! Join the NFA

PAL

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Posted by Nimrod on February 28, 2001 at 14:47:06:

My FAC will expire in April. When I got it 5 years ago, I had to take "the test", as that was just before they allowed "grandfathering". My question is, do I have to now take "the test" again in order to get my PAL? Will I need to do it again each time I go to renew my PAL? Thanx.

Re: Contact your MP!!!!

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Posted by howler on February 28, 2001 at 12:25:57:

In Reply to: Contact your MP!!!! posted by Bluebill on February 28, 2001 at 09:22:27:

thanhs for the site info I'll be using it often

Re: Wild Turkey hunting

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Posted by bowhunter on February 28, 2001 at 09:39:12:

In Reply to: Wild Turkey hunting posted by Matt Ende on February 22, 2001 at 21:28:24:

Like you, I have the fever. Got my first bird last year and had several other encounters with gobblers, that didn't quite pan out. I am really looking forward to this season. I bought a diaphram call and have been practicing. I am confident enough now to actually use it while hunting. I like the hands free idea of calling, when you have a gobbler hung up just out of range.

Contact your MP!!!!

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Posted by Bluebill on February 28, 2001 at 09:22:27:

The more I read about privatizing gun control, more regulations, hunting license increases and what to me is the worst, the government of this country is making it almost impossible for NEW individuals to take up the sport of hunting. The costs are unreal!! Why am I upset, everywhere I go I hear hunter's and outdoosmen complaining about it. STOP complaining and write your MP!!! Don't ask for something to be done, demand it! I found a link, on a Canadian Company web site that gives FULL info. It gives you phone, fax, Email and writing address of every MP in Canada. The best part was, if you don't know who your MP is, just enter your postal code and it instantly gives you all the information you need. Check it out http://www.canadiancamo.com/ look under government contacts. Write that Email today! Bluebill

Re: COURT RULING METIS

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Posted by artman on February 28, 2001 at 07:37:26:

In Reply to: Re: COURT RULING METIS posted by Nimrod on February 27, 2001 at 16:43:01:

There will be now. Now that they can shoot game whenever they see fit, you will be amazed at the number of "metis" that are in Ontario now. I hate to break it to all natives but we are all Canadians and it should be one set of rules for us all. Natives get special consideration with the gun laws and abuse our game resources simply because they can. My best example would be the road side fish stands and the problems that I have heard about on the local reservations. I don't wish to sound like a bigot but I believe we should all play by the same rules and I don't believe that the subsidies that the government gives the natives are helping them. Oh well maybe we can go to the States soon to hunt after all the game is wasted by our government up here.

Re: COURT RULING METIS

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Posted by Nimrod on February 27, 2001 at 16:43:01:

In Reply to: COURT RULING METIS posted by DON on February 26, 2001 at 10:14:36:

Do we really have that many Metis?

$451

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Posted by Shooter on February 27, 2001 at 00:29:28:

In Reply to: Browning Auto-5 price? posted by Frosty on February 26, 2001 at 12:35:05:

no msg

OFAH show

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Posted by Brent on February 26, 2001 at 23:23:56:

Did anyone here see the layout boat duck hunt on the OFAH show last week??

Re: COURT RULING METIS

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Posted by Kern on February 26, 2001 at 15:25:34:

In Reply to: COURT RULING METIS posted by DON on February 26, 2001 at 10:14:36:

I wonder if this means we will start seeing road side stands selling deer and moose meat like they do with fish?? Cant see anything but bad news to come from this decision.

Re: Browning Auto-5 price?

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Posted by Braden on February 26, 2001 at 14:20:00:

In Reply to: Browning Auto-5 price? posted by Frosty on February 26, 2001 at 12:35:05:

Mint shape, 3inch mag. $450.

Browning Auto-5 price?

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Posted by Frosty on February 26, 2001 at 12:35:05:

Good day all, I have a good friend of the family that wants to sell a Browning Auto-5 Magnum Buck Special.It has a 24" slug barrel that is smooth not rifled.It will take 2 3/4 High Vel. or 3'Mag. It was made in 1980 and is from Belgian.The gun is in mint shape other than a coulpe of very small nicks on the stock.I didnt even think it was that old,he took very good care of it even the inside of the barrel is in mint shape.He asked me to make him an offer but I dont know what it is worth.I want to give him a fair price because he is a good friend.I was thinking of buying it and then getting another barrell for it to hunt turkeys this spring!Also anyone know of any problems with this gun? Any info will help me decide.

Thanks in advance all, Frosty (come on April 25th got the fever bad!)

COURT RULING METIS

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Posted by DON on February 26, 2001 at 10:14:36:

On February 23, the Court of Appeal for Ontario released its decision concerning Metis hunting rights. Basically, the court asserted that Metis have hunting rights. In order to prepare for an expected unregulated increase in moose/deer harvests, the court implemented a one year stay of execution of the judgment. This will give the MNR time to figure out what the extent of the judgement is and make changes to the draw systems. This was the 2nd failed attempt to appeal this case, so it is unlikely go to go the Supreme Court of Canada.

This judgement will mean BIG changes to how moose and deer is allocated to non-native hunters. Aboriginal people (Natives and Metis) get first dibs, then if there is a sustainable population, the non-natives will get a share.

If you hunt deer or moose, you can expect changes to the number or tags made available in the draw.

My letter in today's Sun

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Posted by Fischer on February 26, 2001 at 08:24:38:

http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoSun/editorial.html

IF THESE two stories from the Feb. 22 Sun don't illustrate the absolute idiocy of our federal gun laws, I don't know what will. In "Bikers get year in jail," eight members of the Hells Angels take quick advantage of our cushy legal system and strike a plea bargain after being found in illegal possession of firearms, while in a hotel room looking at pictures of members of a rival gang. One can only surmise that they weren't preparing the guest list for their next tea party. For this, they get a year's sabbatical at the McLellan Hilton. Whatever happened to mandatory minimum sentences for firearms offences? In "Borderline gun law," we learn that our intrepid customs officials are planning to confiscate and destroy firearms that are legally declared by American police officers, when they cross our border while on business. Don't you just feel so much safer today?

Martin Fischer Kitchener

(Actually, we've just nailed the windows shut)

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Bluebill on February 25, 2001 at 21:23:02:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 13:06:55:

Check out www.canadiancamo.com in their government links area the have all members, M.P.'s email, fax & phone numbers. If your not sure who to write or contact you can just enter your postal code and it will instantly tell you who your member is.

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by steve p. on February 25, 2001 at 09:39:31:

In Reply to: What a Quagmire!! posted by Screemin Reel on February 22, 2001 at 00:16:27:

it appears from the person the goverment recently hired to run the org. that the anti's are now in control nad i suspect the system will be even more arrogant, and unwilling to assist the people having difficulty with the system and there inability to preform the job there undoubtly well paid for. the system will undoutly become so difficult to use the average preson my be inclined to resign from the sport. makes a person wonder if this wasn't the agenda from the begining. just the observation of one fed up gun owner that din't vote liberal.

Excellent article in London Free Press

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Posted by Fischer on February 25, 2001 at 09:20:41:

http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/gillespie.html

Right way, wrong way of guns By IAN GILLESPIE -- London Free Press AYLMER - As gunfire echoes in the background, the girl opens her bag and shows me some of her favourite things.

There's her lucky hat, several sand bags, safety glasses, a scope, a tripod and a box of .22 calibre shells.

"At first I wasn't sure about it," says 13-year-old Jessica Hornby. "But I got good at it, and I really enjoyed doing it. I don't know why . . . . I think it runs in the family."

Like the other kids shouldering rifles at this indoor range, Hornby is a "shooter." And like almost everyone else here on this Friday night, Hornby knows many people would gape in horror at the idea of teaching kids to fire a gun.

"They let themselves give in to rumours and things like that," she says. "I think if they actually got out here and tried it, they'd have a whole different opinion."

You hear that a lot here at the East Elgin Sportsmen's Association, an 18-hectare facility on Elgin County Rd. 40. Formed in 1955 and dedicated to "safe sportsmanship and harmony with our environment," the club offers various activities to its 245 members, including trap shooting, archery and a junior program aimed at boys and girls eight to 15.

None of this seems strange to Colleen Wiebe. She's here with her nine-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter, who both know guns as well as they know the Harry Potter book they brought with them.

"When they (the children) were in diapers, my husband had them out on our back deck, shooting," says Wiebe. "I strongly believe that children who are taught respect for rifles and guns will learn that they're not something you can just play with," she says. "They're taught how to use them properly . . . (and) that they can actually kill."

Bob Rutter is a grandfather who has been firing guns since he was a boy. When asked how he reacts to those outraged at the thought of kids shooting guns, he gives his head a weary shake.

"They're afraid of it because they don't know it," he says, quietly.

That's the crux of the argument. Club president John Evers says kids who learn about guns from TV shows and video games pose more danger than the kids who've been taught how to properly squeeze a trigger -- and understand the real-life damage a bullet can do.

Evers tells a tale to make his point. While staffing a booth for the club at the Western Fair grounds, Evers was approached by an angry woman with a young girl. The woman said he should be ashamed of himself, that teaching kids to shoot was disgusting and immoral and that her granddaughter was never allowed to play with toy guns.

Evers says he turned to the woman's granddaughter, and asked if she knew how to shoot a gun.

"She dropped to a perfect combat stance, drew her finger-pistol and blasted away," he says. "And I responded, 'Well, she knows how to shoot unsafely -- but not safely.'

"The lady was just shocked and aghast that her granddaughter knew this. But my whole point was -- it's out there. If you're not going to teach them the right way, they're going to learn the wrong way."

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by sheephunter on February 24, 2001 at 10:00:17:

In Reply to: Re: What a Quagmire!! posted by Bob on February 22, 2001 at 06:18:18:

I applied for (they cashed my 60.00 cheque many months ago) a PAL but finally received just the temporary POL on Thurs. What gives with this? No wander they are so far behind... when they finally get to your application they still don't get it right and obviously will have to redo this application and in the time being I still don't have what I need. My call will be in Monday and then every day after until I get what I paid for. I suggest others to take the same approach. Have fun!

Re: deleted posts....check out alloutdoors!

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Posted by Brad King on February 23, 2001 at 16:06:14:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by Fischer on February 08, 2001 at 13:52:58:

try http://www.coffeeshop.alloutdoors.com

Re: north american hunting club

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Posted by RRC on February 23, 2001 at 12:43:50:

In Reply to: north american hunting club posted by artman on February 20, 2001 at 13:28:21:

Don't waste your money.

The monmey is better spent on a OFAH membership. you get a magazine with local content and you know your money is going to conservation efforts and protecting fishing and hunting rightd

Re: What a Quagmire!!/phone#

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Posted by Screemin Reel on February 23, 2001 at 11:51:31:

In Reply to: Re: What a Quagmire!! posted by David C. on February 23, 2001 at 06:50:42:

Call 1-800-731-4000.Good Luck!

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by David C. on February 23, 2001 at 06:50:42:

In Reply to: What a Quagmire!! posted by Screemin Reel on February 22, 2001 at 00:16:27:

Do you have a number handy to check on the status of a POL? They cashed my cheque a long time ago but I haven't heard a thing.Thanks.

compound bow info

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Posted by Jeff Moore on February 22, 2001 at 22:51:43:

Hi Guys I have just recently received a bow called Indian and it says deer hunter on the one shaft.I'm new to this archery thing and was just looking for some info on this bow.Any info would be great good or bad.Thanks in advance. Jeff

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by wayne on February 22, 2001 at 21:50:03:

In Reply to: Re: What a Quagmire!! posted by Paolo on February 22, 2001 at 12:51:49:

Now that you have recieved your POL your FAC becomes VOID.

Wild Turkey hunting

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 22, 2001 at 21:28:24:

Well, only 2 months 'till the season opens, and I'm already starting to get the fever. Anybody got plans? I could possibly take somebody into some new territory, about 2 hours North of Toronto, in exchange for some guidance/ and/or tips or whatever closer to my home (Hamilton). I would like to get into some GOOD hunting in the Cayuga or Dunville area, on private or public lands. I have a few good areas scouted, permission secured, turkeys located, etc. and I could share in exchange for the same. Anybody ever seen any turkeys near Peacock Point?

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by Steve on February 22, 2001 at 15:44:05:

In Reply to: What a Quagmire!! posted by Screemin Reel on February 22, 2001 at 00:16:27:

And now the CFC has hired Chantale Breton as a CFC information officer. She's the former executive director of the Coalition for Gun Control. If you didn't know, that's one of the anti-gun organizations that lobbied for approval of Bill C-68. I'm sure she'll do a nice, impartial job won't she?

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by Paolo on February 22, 2001 at 12:51:49:

In Reply to: What a Quagmire!! posted by Screemin Reel on February 22, 2001 at 00:16:27:

My F.A.C.doesn't expire till Oct.2001 and they still sent me a temporary POL.Yet others I talk to haven't even gotten a temporary one.Sounds like incompitance to me. Like anything our government does.

Re: What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by Bob on February 22, 2001 at 06:18:18:

In Reply to: What a Quagmire!! posted by Screemin Reel on February 22, 2001 at 00:16:27:

Feel for ya! I will probably get the same guff, just sent mine in and my FAC doesn't expire 'till March. Still it's nice to get the government squirming, maybe our efforts are not for nothin after all.

What a Quagmire!!

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Posted by Screemin Reel on February 22, 2001 at 00:16:27:

I had an interesting talk with a C.F.C rep today.I phoned to see what the status of my POL application was and she told me that on Jan 22 I was issued a temporary licence.When I told here it was now Feb 21 and I have yet to receive anything and asked what the problem could be, her reply was:Thats between you and Canada Post!Not being satisfied with that remark I then contacted the Ontario Chief of Firearms Office and according to this rep they have received no info concerning my application!When I asked her what the holdup was her reply was that because I still have a valid FAC until august 2001 I will probably be issued a regular licence rather then a temporary and therefore I will have a longer wait.Why two different storys from two Gov workers?To me it seems the system is crashing.I dont know what my next step could be!If anyone has had the same trouble with this bureaucratic Bull!!!! I.d like to here about it.Meanwhile.here I sit,wondering if I will be without a licence come August....Thanks..Mike

Re: north american hunting club

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Posted by Kern on February 21, 2001 at 15:19:23:

In Reply to: north american hunting club posted by artman on February 20, 2001 at 13:28:21:

I tried it for a year but didnt renew. I prefer something with at least a little local content. Heard you have to be there a while before your even considered to try out the good stuff.

Kern

Re: north american hunting club

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Posted by Nimrod on February 21, 2001 at 14:29:18:

In Reply to: Re: north american hunting club posted by artman on February 20, 2001 at 17:20:36:

I can only afford so much, and I chose to go with things that provide more local material. Never did get any free stuff because my membership expired.

Matt, Sparky, Kern!!

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Posted by Braden on February 21, 2001 at 12:17:29:

Will be out on Friday with Angelo, as it's going to be my only kick at the cat (or goose). I'll likely be out from sun-up until 4pm depending on flight action, and other obligations. Matt, If you and Aaron can come down it would be cool. I don't know that I'll get out your way on Thursday night cause I have to work late, but I'll call you and figure it out. Maybe if you can get a ride to my work, or to the train, or maybe if I have some energy after work, I'll pick you up. It's still up in the air right now. I'll call tonight. Sparky, number is (905) 833-1550 or cell (416) 567-0604, my email is screwed up again. Kern, I'm guessing I'll see you in the aft. Okay, guys, Let's hope there are some birds.

Re: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 21, 2001 at 09:45:09:

In Reply to: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp posted by Stephen on February 19, 2001 at 09:53:27:

We've had dogs in our hunt camps before, both moose & deer. Can they cook & do dishes..........opps, sorry, just realized that you're talking about 4 legged dogs!!!!!!!!!! LMAO

Braden

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Posted by sparky on February 21, 2001 at 09:32:47:

Hey there Braden I lost your ## Please email me !

Nick

Re: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp

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Posted by Leon on February 21, 2001 at 09:21:31:

In Reply to: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp posted by Stephen on February 19, 2001 at 09:53:27:

Hi,

I hunted moose with dogs(kind of husky) in Russia.

Dogs may be used to get moose moving towards shooter(s) or 2 and more (trained) dogs also used to 'catch' moose in the woods and 'hold' it on spot untill the hunter runs up to the barking dogs and shoot the animal. No dogs are able to hold a mature bull, of course.

Leon

Re: north american hunting club

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Posted by artman on February 20, 2001 at 17:20:36:

In Reply to: Re: north american hunting club posted by Nimrod on February 20, 2001 at 14:29:09:

Thanx for the input, but why did you stop paying the fee? Just curious.

Re: north american hunting club

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Posted by Nimrod on February 20, 2001 at 14:29:09:

In Reply to: north american hunting club posted by artman on February 20, 2001 at 13:28:21:

I am a past member. You do indeed get the free stuff for testing, if you are a member in good standing (paid up!) when your turn comes around (there is quite a waiting list for this!). The magazine is probably worth the price of membership, although it is clearly U.S.A. focused.

north american hunting club

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Posted by artman on February 20, 2001 at 13:28:21:

Is anyone a member or past member and can anyone tell me what they think of it? Do you really get the free stuff that they promise for testing? All opinions will be appreciated. Thanx

Re: Wild Turkeys

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Posted by BOSSTOM on February 19, 2001 at 18:43:55:

In Reply to: Re: Wild Turkeys posted by Nimrod on February 15, 2001 at 08:34:40:

Sorry Nimrod ,Yes I Did go to the NWTF Conv.

Re: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp

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Posted by Fox on February 19, 2001 at 17:41:31:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp posted by Nimrod on February 19, 2001 at 15:16:52:

Dogs are good for getting animals on the move during the time of day they are bedded down. I don't know about moose but I think they bed down during the mid day. This is the time to use a dog. Sit or stock during the first and last few hours of the day. With a lab you may want to keep it on a leash with the "dogger", labs can run an animal very fast, we only use beagles now for deer because of that "Skeet deer hunting". Try it out and see what happens but be ready to hunt the dog all over the area.

Hog pic

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Posted by Fischer on February 19, 2001 at 15:48:10:

In Reply to: Re: Hunter's worst nightmare!? posted by Nimrod on February 19, 2001 at 15:20:59:

http://www.huntamerica.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000816.html

Re: Hunter's worst nightmare!?

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Posted by Nimrod on February 19, 2001 at 15:20:59:

In Reply to: Re: Hunter's worst nightmare!? posted by Kern on February 17, 2001 at 15:24:29:

What are you looking at? I didn't see a hog. I only see the squirrel.

Re: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp

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Posted by Nimrod on February 19, 2001 at 15:16:52:

In Reply to: Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp posted by Stephen on February 19, 2001 at 09:53:27:

I have hunted moose with dogs a few times, and it all depends on the dog. Deer dogs don't necessarily make good moose dogs. However, there are places in the world where hunting moose with dogs is the norm. In fact, there are breeds of dogs that are "designed" for this. I have had good success with a good beagle.

Basically, I think you want a dog with a good nose, that will not range too far but will bark and maybe get the moose up and moving, but not hell bent for next week!

Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp

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Posted by Stephen on February 19, 2001 at 09:53:27:

Looking for opinions on bringing a dog into our moose camp next year. Will it have a negative effect on the moose or can it help the hunt? I see in the regs that a moose license must be purchased for the dog, so obviously they are used. The dog is a trained lab, so he owuld not go running wildly after animals. Would the scent of the dog keep the moose out of the area? All opinions will be used to decide if I should take the dog or not. thanks

Looking for opinions - Dog in moose camp

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Posted by Stephen on February 19, 2001 at 09:53:16:

Looking for opinions on bringing a dog into our moose camp next year. Will it have a negative effect on the moose or can it help the hunt? I see in the regs that a moose license must be purchased for the dog, so obviously they are used. The dog is a trained lab, so he owuld not go running wildly after animals. Would the scent of the dog keep the moose out of the area? All opinions will be used to decide if I should take the dog or not. thanks

Re: Hunter's worst nightmare!?

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Posted by Fischer on February 18, 2001 at 16:07:40:

In Reply to: Re: Hunter's worst nightmare!? posted by Kern on February 17, 2001 at 15:24:29:

Somewhere in Texas. I think there are links to a page that tells the whole story.

Apparently the guy took it with a bow at 20 yds.

BRRRRRR!!!!

Gore Tex Parka + Pants Sets

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Posted by Dave on February 17, 2001 at 15:36:17:

Gore Tex parka and pants sets for sale. Military surplus in excellent condition. Heavy duty 3 ply construction. Woodland camo pattern. Size L and XL. Great for bowhunting, spring turkey, waterfowling, fishing. $300

Re: Hunter's worst nightmare!?

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Posted by Kern on February 17, 2001 at 15:24:29:

In Reply to: Hunter's worst nightmare!? posted by OnnO on February 15, 2001 at 23:33:49:

The rat is cute...would look even better in a little Robin Hood outfit. Shouldnt be too hard to convince the wife to hang one of them on the wall. That over sized hog is a different story though...didnt think those things got that big!! Where was that beast tagged???

Kern

Re: Spring Bear Hunt UPDATE! (long)

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Posted by Kern on February 17, 2001 at 15:06:39:

In Reply to: Spring Bear Hunt UPDATE! (long) posted by Bob on February 16, 2001 at 07:04:57:

Sounds promising Bob...Hopefully this case will set a precident for other provinces like BC who are facing a simular ban on the Grizzly hunt which was based on concerns from Antis and not facts from local resourse management people.

Kern

Re: I dunno, check this out!

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Posted by OnnO on February 16, 2001 at 09:21:27:

In Reply to: I dunno, check this out! posted by Fischer on February 16, 2001 at 09:12:32:

I don't have a wall large enough to fit the hog mount.

So, seeking for professional suggestion...

asked your wife and the squirrel always win.

Hee! 8)

I dunno, check this out!

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Posted by Fischer on February 16, 2001 at 09:12:32:

In Reply to: Hunter's worst nightmare!? posted by OnnO on February 15, 2001 at 23:33:49:

Which would you choose, "Rambo" squirrel or whole hog?

http://www.huntamerica.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000816.html

Spring Bear Hunt UPDATE! (long)

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Posted by Bob on February 16, 2001 at 07:04:57:

Update on the O.F.A.H. court challenge to reinstate the spring bear hunt and to reaffirm the right to hunt and fish. ====================================================== Steady as she goes are the words most appropriate to describe what has actually been happening in the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters' court challenge to bring back the spring bear hunt and reaffirm our right as Canadians to hunt and fish.

Keep in mind the fact that legal principals involved in this case affect all hunting and fishing. If the fish and Wildlife Conservation Act can be interpreted to permit the government to cancel the spring bear hunt on the basis of one orphaned cub, then the government can cancel any other hunting or fishing season on the same basis. In other words, moose, deer or grouse hunting can be cancelled on the basis of one moose, deer, grouse or fish being orphaned.

Numerous court hearings have been held to settle many thorny legal issues, the most contentious of which is the right of the O.F.A.H. to cross examine the Premier of Ontario, The Honorable Michael Harris, and the Minister of Natural Resources, The Honorable John Snobelen. As you may well have heard from media reports, the O.F.A.H. was successful in obtaining an order from the Divisional Court of Ontario requiring the Premier and the Minister to be available for cross examination. Although the government is seeking leave to appeal the decision to the Ontario Court of Appeal, we are confident that, should leave be granted, the government's appeal will be dismissed.

Other collateral issues in the case involve arguments over how many black bear experts we can call as witnesses and the type of information that can be presented in witness affidavits. The court has ruled that the number of our bear experts will be limited to four, and there also remains some argument over technical issues with respect to affidavits we have filed.

As well, lawyers representing both the O.F.A.H. and the government have spent many days involved in cross examinations that have greatly assisted our case. In fact, with each day of cross examination of government witnesses, our case gets stronger. Our recent success in Divisional Court confirms this fact.

However, there are also many questions the government is refusing to answer and documents the government refuses to produce. We will have to obtain a court order to force the government to answer these important questions and obtain the necessary documents.

We are optimistic that our case is built on a very solid foundation and that our legal arguments have substantial merit.

Legal arguments (in layman's terms)

The legal arguments behind the case to return the spring bear hunt are complex. The following is intended to explain, in easy to understand terms, the O.F.A.H. court case.

When the spring bear hunt in Ontario was cancelled we believe several laws were broken. Some of these laws fall under the category of constitutional law and others fall under the category of administrative law. Challenges are being issued under the legal umbrellas of both constitutional and administrative law.

It is on administrative law grounds that the court has ordered the Premier and the Minister to be produced for the purposes of cross examination. The same evidence will be relevant for constitutional considerations.

Broken down into two categories, these are the main arguments of the case.

Administrative Law:

The Minister of Natural Resources has jurisdiction under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act to make regulations with respect to the opening and closing of hunting and fishing seasons. That discretion cannot be exercised arbitrarily or indiscriminately. The Minister must consider the purpose of the Act. Any exercise of discretion that is not authorized by the Act is invalid. Moreover, the Minister must exercise his or her judgment independently and based on multiple factors flowing from the legislation of the Act. As recently as two weeks prior to the proclamation of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act which maintained the spring bear hunt, the Minister stated in writing that the spring was, in many ways, the best time to hunt bears. Approximately one week after the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act was proclaimed into law, the Premier directed the Minister to cancel the spring bear hunt. We believe the basis of this direction was pure political expediency and had nothing to do with conservation, which, ultimately, is the purpose of the Act. As a result, the decision to cancel the spring bear hunt is invalid.

The government accepted the animal rights activists' argument that one bear cub orphaned by a hunter is one cub too many. In effect, the government and the animal rights activists interpret the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act to not only give legal rights to individual animals but, moreover, that those rights are more important and greater than the rights of human beings. We say that, under administrative law principals, the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act does not allow for such interpretation, and any decision based on this erroneous assumption is invalid. Conservation laws are designed to conserve animal populations and provide benefits to people via hunting, fishing and other uses of wildlife.

While the true reason for canceling the spring bear hunt was political expediency, the claim put forward by government and animal rights activists in court is that spring bear hunting is unethical. The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act does not include or recognize animal rights, nor does it legislate hunting ethics. Accordingly, the basis upon which the spring bear hunt was cancelled is completely untenable at law.

As an important aside, our cross examination of the government's chief black bear biologist has confirmed that each year in Ontario about 25,000 black bear cubs are born, of which 10,000 die in their first year from causes other than hunters. In fact, the decision to cancel the spring bear hunt may only save an estimated 20 to 27 clubs from dying in the rare instance a nursing female bear is accidentally harvested. The flip side is that harvest statistics show the spring bear hunt targeted young and mature male bears that are extremely territorial and cannibalistic. As a direct result of the cancellation of the spring bear hunt, up to 1,000 more young cubs are dying every year from cannibalism alone. In short, the decision to cancel the spring bear hunt has produced exactly the opposite effect than what was intended. The reason for this absurd result is that, in making the decision to cancel the spring bear hunt, the government abandoned the principals, purposes and objectives of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act.

Constitutional Law:

Section 2(b) guarantees freedom of expression, and hunting clearly represents expression of the hunter's core identity and relationship with nature. Hunting is a way of life rich in tradition and an indisputable part of our heritage. Consequently, any law that cancels the hunting and fishing season when there is no conservation or resource/wildlife management reason to do so is unconstitutional.

Section 1 of the Charter permits the government to restrict the rights of people on certain grounds, but restrictions can only be imposed by meeting set criteria. The first basis upon which the government could justify a constitutional infringement is in establishing that cancellation of the spring bear hunt addresses a very pressing and substantial public concern. We believe the government will be unable to establish this pressing and substantial concern particularly when the decision to cancel the hunt produced the opposite result than that which was intended. Moreover, given that 25,000 cubs are born in Ontario every year and approximately 10,000 die for reasons that have nothing to do with hunting, purported concern over 20 to 27 cubs is absurd and suspicious. Further, when this is weighed against a $500 million industry that supports thousands of jobs and the livelihoods of entire families and communities, the absurdity of the decision is magnified even further.

Section 7: Assures the liberty and security of the person. Given that violation of the regulation canceling the spring bear hunt can result in both imprisonment and substantial fines, the liberty and security interests of hunters and anglers is clearly breached. Liberty and security of the person can only be breached by the government if the decision to do so is consistent with the principals of fundamental justice. We say that depriving a person's liberty and security of person on the facts of this case, including their ability to earn a living, is unconstitutional. Thousands of people in Northern Ontario involved in commercial outfitting and guiding of spring bear hunters have been hurt terribly and deserve justice.

Conclusion:

The case to reinstate the spring bear hunt and reaffirm our right to hunt and fish is, arguably, the most important undertaking ever on behalf of outdoors enthusiasts by the O.F.A.H. The O.F.A.H. is challenging the hunt termination in order to protect our culture, our heritage and our identity.

The cost of this challenge in financial terms is enormous, but our hunting and fishing heritage are priceless. As stated above, the legal principals of this case go far beyond the spring bear hunt and affect all hunting and fishing. If we lose this case on the grounds that hunting and fishing seasons can be cancelled by reason of a single animal or fish, we can be certain that animal rights activists will target all fishing and all hunting. The spring bear hunt is the animal rights movement's foot in the door; it is the thin edge of the wedge - the starting point -- and this is precisely why we have drawn the line in the sand.

We did not choose this fight. Because the principals of this case affect all hunting and fishing, we have no choice but to defend our rights and heritage lest the animal rights activists achieve their greatest victory anywhere in the world by obtaining legal rights of individual animals over the rights of human beings. Whether you bear hunt or not is irrelevant, the principals of this case affect ALL hunting and fishing, and that is why we are ensuring our evidentiary record is 100 percent complete with every "t" crossed and every "i" dotted.

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This brief is intended as an update only for OFAH members and other concerned groups and individuals holding a vested interest in Ontario's outdoor heritage and fish and wildlife resources.

As previously noted, the cost of this worthwhile endeavor is very high. Donations to the Hunting and Fishing Heritage Fund are gratefully accepted. To donate, write to Box 2800, Peterborough, Ontario K9J 8L5, e-mail to ofah@ofah.org, call 705-748-6324, or fax 705-748-9577.

Hunter's worst nightmare!?

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Posted by OnnO on February 15, 2001 at 23:33:49:

Hunters, especially bow hunters, go check yourself in www.realtree.com. I think this truely you guys' worst nightmare!! Hee! 8)

http://www.realtree.com/news/index.tpl?Display=Detail&_skudatarq=02122001114602

Re: Braden... What's New?

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 15, 2001 at 11:08:28:

In Reply to: Braden... What's New? posted by Matt Ende on February 13, 2001 at 12:02:28:

I feel for ya buddy; the YU thing must have been brutally frustrating. Same thing where I work - we (NOT ME, personally) have voted to strike, and we could walk out or get locked out any day now. I may be taking this weekend off - If so, I could go goose huntin. We have to get together sometime, so you can pick up your share of the venison salami. Try my cell phone this evening (Thurs. or Friday daytime)

Re: Braden... What's New?

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 15, 2001 at 11:08:26:

In Reply to: Braden... What's New? posted by Matt Ende on February 13, 2001 at 12:02:28:

I feel for ya buddy; the YU thing must have been brutally frustrating. Same thing where I work - we (NOT ME, personally) have voted to strike, and we could walk out or get locked out any day now. I may be taking this weekend off - If so, I could go goose huntin. We have to get together sometime, so you can pick up your share of the venison salami. Try my cell phone this evening (Thurs. or Friday daytime)

Re: Wild Turkeys

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Posted by Nimrod on February 15, 2001 at 08:34:40:

In Reply to: Re: Wild Turkeys posted by BOSSTOM on February 15, 2001 at 03:52:29:

Are you going to the NWTF convention?

Re: Wild Turkeys

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Posted by BOSSTOM on February 15, 2001 at 03:52:29:

In Reply to: Wild Turkeys posted by Joe on February 13, 2001 at 00:42:40:

Depends on Where you live and what areas you are intressed in, I'll be away here for a week in the US for the big Turkey shindig ,but will help you as soon as I get back....BT

Re: Rabbits with a bow

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Posted by Fox on February 14, 2001 at 16:37:04:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits with a bow posted by Brad on February 05, 2001 at 14:23:58:

I used a crossbow on rabbit for the first time this year. I use judo points, they go right through and don't get stuck in the ground. Make sure you can hit a 3" target at 15-20 yards and you will be fine. Carbon arrows in this situation are more forgiving because if you miss they will bend and not warp. They will shatter though if you hit a tree at dead on.

Hope this helps.

Elk die-off

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Posted by Fischer on February 14, 2001 at 15:06:14:

Saw a news item today that a few of the elk that were being tranported to the Fort Frances area for release died. They suspect that the warm weather recently played a factor, as the animals are very stressed during transport.

They're holding them in Manitoba to re-assess. Hopefully the colder weather will allow the transfer to continue.

Re: Wild Turkeys

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Posted by Nimrod on February 14, 2001 at 14:11:28:

In Reply to: Wild Turkeys posted by Joe on February 13, 2001 at 00:42:40:

In terms of numbers, the largest concentration of birds is in Trenton/Belleville area. However, finding a place to hunt is tough. In terms of size, the birds in Haldimond-Norfolk (Simcoe area) county tend to be the biggest, with good numbers too. There is also some good numbers in the Alliston area.

Re: Braden... What's New?

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Posted by Nimrod on February 14, 2001 at 14:08:25:

In Reply to: Braden... What's New? posted by Matt Ende on February 13, 2001 at 12:02:28:

Montana also has fabulous turkey hunting (Merriam).

Re: Whats next?

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Posted by bob on February 13, 2001 at 18:01:22:

In Reply to: Re: Whats next? posted by Jack on February 13, 2001 at 07:06:25:

Good speech Jack, but I noticed you didn't answer the question yourself. The Federal government, each individual member and senator is well aware of my efforts, as are the CFC, the auditor general and a host of others. I have attend every protest I can. I don't vote Liberal. (Probably never will again) I belong to the OFAH and the NFA.

So whats your beef?

Re: Braden... What's New?

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Posted by Braden on February 13, 2001 at 13:08:57:

In Reply to: Braden... What's New? posted by Matt Ende on February 13, 2001 at 12:02:28:

Hey, yep I have plans all right, its called Lakehead U in Thunder Bay. Figure that 16C would be a good place to moose hunt, it's 2.5 hours from T-Bay as far as I can figure. There is a contract negotiation scheduled for fall 01 for proffesors at York, word is there may be a lengthy strike. I can't hack it again, not in my last year, so I am bailing out. I tried to reach you last week. Glad work is going well, if busy. Guess you can't goose hunt on saturday huh! Can I borrow your big-foots, PLEASE!!!!! I'll try to call again sometime this week. Take care.

Brad

Braden... What's New?

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 13, 2001 at 12:02:28:

Hey Braden, sorry for the half-hearted attempts to contact you. Just want to let you know I am still wotking 'at least' 7 days a week, for now, and soon enough I will get around to calling you. Email me if you get a chance, we need to discuss moose-'01 draws, trips next year. I have a week off in March; it will be either Florida, S.Dakota, or Texas for gobblers. 2 more weeks holidays to use for Fall, any plans yet?

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Stephen on February 13, 2001 at 10:16:40:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by Kern on February 13, 2001 at 08:40:37:

Or in my case,gun registration will imitate my experiences with the 407. Prices went up, I stopped using it ( well except with the tailgate down, no picture no bill). ps. the motorcycle hugging the shoulder on and off gets missed as well.

Re: Pravatization Of gun registration

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Posted by C.F.Gratton on February 13, 2001 at 08:54:25:

In Reply to: Pravatization Of gun registration posted by OnnO on February 12, 2001 at 09:11:06:

You can contact your MP by going to 'http://canada.gc.ca/directories/mp_direct_e.html' You might have to search a bit because for some reason they all tend to keep a low profile.I found mine by clicking on "search with your postal code". Good luck and keep up the good fight. Conrad.

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Kern on February 13, 2001 at 08:40:37:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by DUB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 13, 2001 at 07:50:05:

I dont think they will pulled from you dead fingers, maybe bankrupt fingers...look what happened to the 407... as soon as that went private the rates have gone up by leaps and bounds...15% I think was the last one. Wait untill its time to resurface that road...guess whos gets the bill for that!!! But back to the point...in a privately run condition we the users will pay for any short commings or over runs that are encountered. We already know the program is way over budget. That will likely mean the cost of the application and ultamately the cost of registration will have to be enough to cover the over budget and still generate a profit!!

I suspect alot of people will opt to get rid of their guns simply becasue they cant afford to keep them registered!! This is something we must fight as an organised group but I fear our declining numbers put us at a disadvantage.

Kern

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by DUB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 13, 2001 at 07:50:05:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by Kern on February 12, 2001 at 15:22:01:

What a pile of bull crap!!!!!!!! Typical of the government, they start something that they can't finish & at election time, they'll look like heros bragging about all the money they have saved by privatization!!!!! As for it been efficient & cost effective..ha ha ha.......look at Petro Canada!!!!! What a load of bull crap.........as my belt buckle says...."I'LL GIVE UP MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!!!!!!!!!"!

Re: Whats next?

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Posted by Jack on February 13, 2001 at 07:06:25:

In Reply to: Whats next? posted by Bob on February 12, 2001 at 07:29:38:

Why are asking what we are going to do? Tell us what you are prepared to do! Too many of us are asking what 'WE" are going to do and leaving for the next person to pick up a torch. Ignite the torch yourself, if it is worthwhile others will follow.

Jack

Wild Turkeys

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Posted by Joe on February 13, 2001 at 00:42:40:

Hey everyone Doing my Turkey Seminar very soon, hopefull i will be out hunting the big bird this year. was wondering if anyone knows any popular areas to find them, or even better would be less popular areas

Cheers and thanks

Joe

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 21:13:57:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by OnnO on February 12, 2001 at 09:19:27:

I was just informed that there was a FEDUP III in the works.

Lets all get involved and show up and fight this thing!!!

I'll let you know if I can find out anything and I'll post it here

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Kern on February 12, 2001 at 15:22:01:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 13:13:38:

Hell is fine...no one ever got their pants in a knot over hell.

You are right in your post....the fact that they are trying to distance themselves from the responsibility of this law tells a great deal.

Kern

Re: Anyone into any SteelHeads......

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 13:22:17:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by Brad on February 12, 2001 at 12:31:24:

My wife will lose it if we don't change the spelling' she has this vision of fish running around with hard hats, let alone the thought of anyone trying to STEAL their HEADS.

My favorite bait aside from flies, is the good old C.I.L. wabler. It makes fishing a blast!

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 13:13:38:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 13:06:55:

By the way, I am sorry for the use of "hell" and I hope that it does not offend anyone.

To the moderators, if this offends you, and you are going to delete the previous post let me know and I'll refrase it. I beleive that the content is too important to let slide anymore!!

Blackwolf

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 12, 2001 at 13:06:55:

In Reply to: Re: Privatization Of gun registration posted by OnnO on February 12, 2001 at 09:19:27:

Another fine example how our intends to give it to us! Do you really trust privatization, and that the company that is chosen will be confidential, yeah right! Only when Hell freezes over! Just like UE keeping that information to themselves! Now we fight, the Gov't has once again proven that it is incompetent and incapable of managing this law! If it is incapable of handling this law, then they are incapable of ruling this great country of ours. We need a plan of action. Any suggestions? Perhaps flooding our MP's with e-mails and possibly a demonstration at Parliament Hill, peacefully of course, but one that cannot be ignored, till they change the law! We need to have the e-mail addresses of our MP's, The Prime ministers office, the leader of the opposition, So if anyone has these addresses, please post them so we can start this!

They can have my guns when they're hot and empty. I like the sound of that!

Blackwolf

Re: Anyone into any StealHeads.......

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Posted by Brad on February 12, 2001 at 12:31:24:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 23:25:44:

I bowed one once used a 150 grain thunderhead with a 2117 easton shaft on my exocet, feild dressed it out at over 225 lbs, 10 pointer! What a fight! No hasslin around with those little gammy hooks and fish eggs!

Re: Privatization Of gun registration

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Posted by OnnO on February 12, 2001 at 09:19:27:

In Reply to: Pravatization Of gun registration posted by OnnO on February 12, 2001 at 09:11:06:

There is the article from Canada.com

http://www.canada.com/cgi-bin/np.asp?f=/news/nationalpost/stories/20010212/472200.html

Chk it.

Pravatization Of gun registration

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Posted by OnnO on February 12, 2001 at 09:11:06:

From today's Star:

"Ottawa is considering privatizing its much-criticized firearms registry..."

Folks, think about what happened to your hydro payment now!!

Whats next?

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Posted by Bob on February 12, 2001 at 07:29:38:

First Black bears in Ontario, now BC Grizzly where will they strike next? What will YOU do about it?

Re: Ont. calling comp's

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 12, 2001 at 06:08:14:

In Reply to: Ont. calling comp's posted by BOSSTOM on February 11, 2001 at 18:59:04:

Call me stupid, but what the hay are you talking about?????

Ont. calling comp's

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Posted by BOSSTOM on February 11, 2001 at 18:59:04:

What do you think of these compatitions ? I'm seeing that there only a farse , they are the most unorganized program at the hunting shows, Whats your opinion ?

This is the HUNTING board.

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 11, 2001 at 13:59:54:

In Reply to: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 10:53:38:

What are you guys talking about, anadromous rainbow trout (steelhead) ??? I don't think hunting them is legal. Most guys just hang out by a dam and snag them. I think they respond well to a small hook baited with roe, but we will should leave the finer points of angling to the fishing board.

Re: Anyone into any StealHeads.......

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 11, 2001 at 07:46:26:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by BlueWing on February 10, 2001 at 13:27:53:

I like to get in the river,with waders and use fly line, the fight is incredible.learned to do that by spencer's bridge in B.C.

Re: Anyone into any StealHeads.......

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Posted by Kern on February 10, 2001 at 17:18:25:

In Reply to: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 10:53:38:

Hi Blue Wing,

Ill probably be takin a peek at the willy tomorrow. Ill let you know how things look. Dont do the steelhead thing much any more as those float rod guys really get perturbed when I slam the steelies with a load of #4 from the 10ga :)

Have you tried posting your inquiry on the Whats bitin' board

Im sure someone there has been down to the ganny to have a peek as well, though I find lately, info from the eastern rivers have been tight lipped.

Kern

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Posted by BlueWing on February 10, 2001 at 13:27:53:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by Blackwolf on February 10, 2001 at 08:33:30:

Not really I have a fly rod done it a few times, but the rivers I fish are not that large and fly fishing would not be the most practickle I do use flies though I also use row most of the time.. BW

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 10, 2001 at 08:33:30:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 23:26:11:

Nope, too far away for me, I'd have to drive through the Big Smoke, you into fly fishing?

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Posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 23:26:11:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by Blackwolf on February 09, 2001 at 21:22:00:

Do you fish the Bowmanville or Wilmont,, Those are my favorites not as crowded (however it can crowded at times) How is the fishing. Are they being caught are they starting to come up... thnaks BlueWing

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Posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 23:25:44:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by Blackwolf on February 09, 2001 at 21:22:00:

DO you hunt the Bowmanville or Wilmont,, Those are my favorites not as crowded (however it can crowded at times) How is the fishing. Are they being caught are they starting to come up... thnaks BlueWing

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 09, 2001 at 21:22:00:

In Reply to: Anyone into any StealHeads....... posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 10:53:38:

Saugeen, Southampton, great for steel head mind the regs and the dam location, e-mail me if you want company.

BC bans grizzly hunt

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Posted by Stephen McNulty on February 09, 2001 at 12:54:22:

FYI;

VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Reuters) - Environmentalists won a temporary ban on Thursday against grizzly bear hunting in British Columbia amid a heated debate over whether the animals face extinction or are flourishing. British Columbia Premier Ujjal Dosanjh announced a three-year hunting moratorium and said it would allow for an accurate count of bears in the province, which is believed to be home to a quarter of North America's grizzlies.

He called the decision "very, very difficult."

"By taking a cautious approach to grizzly conservation we're going to make sure we get it right," said Dosanjh, who admitted his decision was prompted by an international public relations campaign against the hunt waged by animal conservation groups.

Opponents of hunting estimate that there are between 4,000 and 6,000 grizzly bears in British Columbia, while provincial wildlife biologists put the number between 10,000 and 13,000. Some hunters believe it is even higher.

Dosanjh's New Democratic Party government is facing an election this spring, which it is expected to lose, and he suffered an immediate political blow when his transportation minister stepped down in protest over the hunting moratorium.

The bears once ranged widely across western North America, but are now found in only in Western Canada and a few northern U.S. states, including Alaska. An average grizzly weighs 1,000 pounds (450 kg), and on its hind legs can stand 10 feet tall (3 meters).

"A SAD DAY FOR WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT"

The debate has pitted largely urban-based environmental groups against rural guides, who make money leading hunting trips and feel hunt opponents do not understand the realities of life in British Columbia's vast wilderness.

"It's not based on facts. It's not based on science. It's a sad day for wildlife management," said Doug Walker of the British Columbia Wildlife Federation.

Hunters said the grizzly population could lose as much as 8 percent annually due to hunting and other causes of death and still thrive.

Hunters visiting the province as tourists killed 108 grizzlies in 1999 while hunters from British Columbia shot 130. Figures from last year were not available. Other bears are killed when they come into conflict with humans, and not all kills are reported.

Some pro-hunting groups have estimated that hunting trips, sold mostly to foreign tourists, contribute C$200 million ($133 million in U.S. dollars) annually to the province's economy. Dosanjh said guides would be compensated, but he did not know by how much.

The anti-hunting campaign has been waged by international groups such as the Environmental Investigation Agency and has included billboards in London that urged potential tourists to British Columbia to lobby for a hunting ban.

Anti-hunt activists warned the province's opposition Liberal Party, which has objected to the ban and is widely expected to win this year's election, against reversing Dosanjh's decision.

"If the Liberals are about to repeal this once they get in office, they ain't seen nothing yet," said Rick Smith, national director of the International Fund for Animal Welfare.

People who venture into the wilderness of northern British Columbia always are warned to be wary of sometimes-fatal grizzly attacks, and officials said the ban would not prevent killing a bear in self defense.

Dosanjh said the moratorium also covered British Columbia's Indian nations, which often support calls for conservation but strongly object to government restrictions on their traditional hunting and fishing rights.

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Posted by BlueWing on February 09, 2001 at 10:53:38:

Just wondering if any of you were hooking up with any stealheads in any of the rivers... (this time of year its pretty well only the river mouths though) but anyways just asking cause I am planning on coming up soon and was wondering what rivers are starting to produce. Any rivers up to 2 hours past toronto are fine......... Thanks BW

Re: 10ga

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Posted by Braden on February 09, 2001 at 10:02:56:

In Reply to: Re: 10ga posted by Kern on February 08, 2001 at 22:38:47:

Yep, If I wanted a big gun, I'd get a 10, and not a 3.5 twelve. More payload, squarer shot string, probably a better pattern as well. In my mind it is the ideal goose gun. I've shot the SP-10 before, but wouldn't mind putting a round through your pump to feel the difference. Your welcome to have a go at the A-5. Cutting out some new silhouettes this afternoon for next Sat!

Re: 10ga

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Posted by Matt Ward on February 08, 2001 at 23:41:45:

In Reply to: Re: 10ga posted by Kern on February 08, 2001 at 22:38:47:

I agree with everything that Kern and Braden have said. I have a Gold 10 and it is heavy but it has less recoil than my 11-87. If you have or wanted a few different guns I would suggest getting a 10. But, if you needed one gun to fit all your needs I would get a Benelli SBE.

Matt

Thanks guys

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on February 08, 2001 at 22:46:05:

In Reply to: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester posted by Steve Redgwell on February 06, 2001 at 15:24:29:

I just got back tonight from Port Elgin. The crappy weather going down this morning kept my mind off of it. A few days of quiet and back to the grind.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

Re: 10ga

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Posted by Kern on February 08, 2001 at 22:38:47:

In Reply to: Re: 10ga posted by Braden on February 08, 2001 at 12:28:12:

Hey Braden, I agree with everything you stated but would like to point out If you do ever need that lil extra umph and go to a 3 1/2 inch round. It will cost you the same to shoot a 10 or a 12, and all things being equal, the 10 will have a bigger shot payload.

Next goose hunt, Ill let you try the BPS, Ill Like to try your A5 and then let me know what you think.

Kern

Re: 10ga

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Posted by Kern on February 08, 2001 at 15:33:52:

In Reply to: 10ga posted by Shotgunner on February 08, 2001 at 12:01:49:

I bought my 10ga Browning because I really wanted one. I looked at 870 super mag and the mossberg 835. The Browning felt better and looked alot better as well. It is heavy @ 9+ lbs and 51 inches long, but the flip side to that is that I can shoot heavy loads without the recoil felt from the mossberg or 870!! Now they offer the same gun in 28 and 26in barrels.

For goose or turkey hunting, I wouldnt take anything else, but for ducks you can easily do the job with a good 12 ga. So it really comes down to what you want to do with it. As for any advantages....the 10ga will shoot more pellets than the 12 using the same size shot but not by much.

Kern

Screamin Reel

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Posted by Fischer on February 08, 2001 at 14:55:14:

So ya know, I got your last message about the GRCA. I tried to respond but it keeps bouncing back to me.

I'm told there is a problem with AOL for the last week or so.

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Posted by Fischer on February 08, 2001 at 13:52:58:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 08, 2001 at 06:15:56:

I gotta say, you seem to have taken it well, Mike. Good on ya!

Nowadays, it seems that decency and civility have gone the way of the Dodo bird, but anything else is "freedom of expression". I'm far from one for censorship, but if people can't at least treat each other with a modicum of respect, we may as well go back to the caves. Come to think of it, a cave is starting to look pretty good right now, as long as it's got a nice, clear running stream with lots of fish and game frequenting it. Then I wouldn't have to be subjected to the interminable radio and TV reports about the latest episode of Survivor or Temptation Island! When you gotta get your reality from a TV set, you've totally lost touch.

Look what this "if it feels good, do it" attitude has brought us!

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Posted by Braden on February 08, 2001 at 12:28:12:

In Reply to: 10ga posted by Shotgunner on February 08, 2001 at 12:01:49:

While I haven't met the bird that required more than a 3 inch 12g shell over decoys (cept for one, howitzer wouldn't have brought it down). I guess it would be a good choice for a dedicated goose hunter. As far as a good gun for a general waterfowler, definately not. If you really feel you need the extra juice on occasion, then one of those 3 1/2 inch twelves would be the gun for you. I personally think they are overated, and unnescesary, but to each his own. To sum up, if all you do is sit in stubble fields shooting geese then a 10 is a suitable gun, otherwise buy a 12.

Braden

10ga

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Posted by Shotgunner on February 08, 2001 at 12:01:49:

I was just wondering what you all thought about the big 10ga shell? Do you think it has an advantage over the good ol' 12ga? Is it worth your while to pay the extra bucks for the 10ga models made by Browning or Remington?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 08, 2001 at 06:15:56:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by Kern on February 07, 2001 at 22:36:10:

YOU TELL'M KERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HECK I EVEN HAD TO CHANGE MY HANDLE TO CONFORM TO THE BOARD & I AIN'T ONE TO CONFORM TO GOLL DARN EASY!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Kern on February 07, 2001 at 22:36:10:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by DonG on February 07, 2001 at 15:13:01:

Don,

I have no doubt that a rule that stipulates the proper language and conduct to be used in the forum would be in conflict with U of T policy on freedom of expression. To tell you the truth, the rules governing appropriate use of Information technology at U of T, doesn't mention anything about freedom of speech or censorship but being a University, I'm sure there is something written somewhere on the subject. Do they apply to the servers and Information systems? Not according to the University rules the way they are written right now. At least that what I gather from them University guidelines for use of Information Technology

If we play the devils advocate for a moment, could we not say that all rules in our society is a violation of some kind of freedom of expression or right if they prevent us from doing something that we want to do or feel we should be doing?

I am one of a handful of Moderators that help Andy run these Zoo boards. Without us, Andy was going to give up the boards because he was tired of all the crap that continued to spoil things for those of us who enjoy coming here to talk, meet friends and learn things about our sport. Mind you most of this crap was on the Whats Bitin' board, but it was decided that the rules would apply to all the boards that Andy runs.

Is a zero tolerance on profanity fair? Perhaps not, after all I haven't heard a good hunt camp story that didn't have a few good woods thrown in to add to the punch line. So lets make an exception for ASS. If were ok with ASS then Arse must be ok and ASS Hole is practically the same thing and how bad can Jackass be, after all, its in the dictionary!!!..where do we draw the line? Since this is a family oriented forum, the line was drawn at zero. I would also like to point out that some of the rules were taken right from suggestions from Members that regularly post on these boards.

If you have questions concerning U of T policy and censorship, by all means take them up with Andy

Now if anyone else would like a moment on this soap box, by all means the floor is yours.

Thanks You

Kern De Freitas

Moderator

Re: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester

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Posted by Kern on February 07, 2001 at 21:12:03:

In Reply to: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester posted by Steve Redgwell on February 06, 2001 at 15:24:29:

Sorry to hear Steve.. you have my deepest sympathy

Kern

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Posted by Braden on February 07, 2001 at 18:43:41:

In Reply to: Re: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester posted by Nimrod on February 07, 2001 at 09:24:20:

Sorry to hear about your mom Steve! That has to be tough. For those of you who haven't been to Steves site, I highly recommend you check it out. Great info on the Brit, and I know everyone has one of those in the closet.

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Posted by DonG on February 07, 2001 at 15:13:01:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by Kern on February 06, 2001 at 16:03:11:

I don't post here very often as I'm not as knowledgeable as most of you regarding firearms. I'm more here to find what I can learn. However, I do know that the sort of censorship stipulated in the abouve message is not in keeping with U of T policy, and yes, this board does run on U of T resources. It has long been said that "The law is an ass.", yes that's a-s-s. I find it especially ironic that a group that appears to be very concerned about government limiting freedoms when it comes to gun contol is quick to limit expression.

Also, I would like to better understand how it comes about that Kern speaks for the appropriate use of University resources. Perhaps he/she has a connection to the University that I am unaware of, but for now it doesn't seem that there is a connection.

Re: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on February 07, 2001 at 10:43:32:

In Reply to: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester posted by Steve Redgwell on February 06, 2001 at 15:24:29:

Our deepest condolences!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Nimrod on February 07, 2001 at 09:24:20:

In Reply to: 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester posted by Steve Redgwell on February 06, 2001 at 15:24:29:

Our sincerest and deepest sympathies!

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 06, 2001 at 20:30:52:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by Kern on February 06, 2001 at 16:03:11:

Thats ok, I'll just repost.......Just that I beleive those who use guns against unarmed people are basically COWARDS and scumbags and should be dealt with in accordance, though the current laws seem to ignore this fact........

No problem here.

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Posted by Kevin on February 06, 2001 at 17:47:11:

In Reply to: Re: deleted posts.... posted by Kern on February 06, 2001 at 16:03:11:

I just deleted this bookmark and won`t be back, nice chatting with you all but I`ll move it over to Coffee Shop , they seem to be a little more tolerant.

Happy Hunting! IMG

Re: Good Gun Smiths ?

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Posted by KC on February 06, 2001 at 16:22:15:

In Reply to: Good Gun Smiths ? posted by BOSSTOM on January 30, 2001 at 19:34:51:

Joe Kroetch St. Agatha (west of Waterloo)

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Posted by Kern on February 06, 2001 at 16:03:11:

In Reply to: Re: Relieved! posted by Kern on February 03, 2001 at 20:28:59:

Guys, I know this subject can become very personal with all of us but we all know what the rules are on using off tone words. This has been discussed at length with all the moderators and the word a-s-s cannot be used in any form.

Call it what you wish but those are the rules.

Blackwolf...I apologise, your post was zapped in error.

Kern

7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on February 06, 2001 at 15:24:29:

Regular visitors to my page know about the monthly updates. If you've never dropped by because you don't shoot the 303 British, I've put up an article about the great 7.62NATO vs 308 Winchester debate. For those that don't know me, I was a service armourer for 21 years and have shared my thoughts on the subject. I welcome your comments.

If you respond, please allow a few days for me to get back to you. My mother passed away on the 5th of Feb and I'll be out of town.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

Re: can you recommend a guide?

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Posted by Kern on February 05, 2001 at 21:09:53:

In Reply to: Re: can you recommend a guide? posted by Blackwolf on February 05, 2001 at 18:22:06:

I try to make one guided trip a year, the last two have been with Gander Ridge. I prefer my hunts to be in the pre - November time frame and I dont have any problem recomending him as a guide. Call early...he has alot of repeat customers from the States that book the good dates a year in advance. He has an assortment of duck and goose hunt packages to choose from.

Kern

Re: Gun Bluing.

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 05, 2001 at 18:41:19:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Bluing. posted by Ray struthers on February 05, 2001 at 11:25:57:

Try the Onario gun shop in Clinton, good work, reasonable prices, done on premises, sorry I can't remember the real name exept it has "Ontario" in the name Hey Brent, do you remember???

Re: can you recommend a guide?

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 05, 2001 at 18:22:06:

In Reply to: Re: can you recommend a guide? posted by Kern on February 05, 2001 at 15:54:09:

Kern, who are you using?

Re: can you recommend a guide?

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Posted by Kern on February 05, 2001 at 15:54:09:

In Reply to: can you recommend a guide? posted by Leon on February 05, 2001 at 10:11:08:

Hi Leon,

Try Gander Ridge Outfiters. the contact is Todd Bendig ( gander@log.on.ca )

Drop him line. He may be booked as the Late and early season is popular with the Americans. If he is , he can put you onto other guides in the area that you can call. I cant remember pricing so its best you ask him.

Good luck Kern

Re: Rabbits with a bow

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Posted by Brad on February 05, 2001 at 14:23:58:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits with a bow posted by Blackwolf on February 04, 2001 at 19:35:59:

I use judo's I find they work great. I don't particularily target rabits but if I'm walking in from my moose stand and see a grouse or rabbit I don't hesitate to pull out my judo!

Re: Gun Bluing.

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Posted by KC on February 05, 2001 at 13:58:02:

In Reply to: Gun Bluing. posted by Herb on February 05, 2001 at 00:32:48:

Joe Kroetch in St. Agatha Does hot or rust blueing on premises.

Re: Gun Bluing.

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Posted by Ray struthers on February 05, 2001 at 11:25:57:

In Reply to: Gun Bluing. posted by Herb on February 05, 2001 at 00:32:48:

do u want hot or cold bluing? and if u want cold there is a paste u can by called perma blue by birchwood casey that i've have used and works great not hard to do by your self.If i can make a old savage stevens that was rusted all to crap look like new. i'm sure u can do a good job on your gun. But if you want hot bluing done u will have to take it to a gunsmith were it will most likely be sent a way.

can you recommend a guide?

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Posted by Leon on February 05, 2001 at 10:11:08:

In Reply to: Re: Geese-Feb seaon posted by Kern on February 04, 2001 at 17:11:24:

and do you have an idea on price?

Leon

Re: Were to get good goose calls......

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Posted by Herb on February 05, 2001 at 00:43:40:

In Reply to: Were to get good goose calls...... posted by BlueWing on January 30, 2001 at 23:29:52:

Have a look here. http://www.belin.qc.ca/buck/oies1.html

Gun Bluing.

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Posted by Herb on February 05, 2001 at 00:32:48:

Anybody know's a good gunsmith who does bluing?

Thanks, Herb

Re: Rabbits with a bow

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Posted by Blackwolf on February 04, 2001 at 19:35:59:

In Reply to: Rabbits with a bow posted by Kern on February 04, 2001 at 17:21:49:

Bunnies with a bow, a lot of fun! like to use recurve, 45lb. Flu Flu arrows with feild tip, that way when I miss I can salvage the arrow. Blunts seem to crack the arrow when I miss and judos for cedar arrows are too expensive the trick I think is not to miss, but a moving target is harder than a stationary one with a recurve but easier than with a compound, never used a crossbow.

Rabbits with a bow

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Posted by Kern on February 04, 2001 at 17:21:49:

Does anyone take Rabbits with a bow?? If so which head do you prefer??

Kern

Re: Geese-Feb seaon

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Posted by Kern on February 04, 2001 at 17:11:24:

In Reply to: Geese-Feb seaon posted by Don on February 04, 2001 at 14:56:40:

Hi Don, Its not so much the open water but the feilds that are near open water. Primarly cut corn fields and sometime even soya bean.

There are also a few guides workin out of the Cambridge area that offer some good Feb shooting if you are interested in a guided hunt.

Kern

Re: Geese-Feb seaon

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Posted by Kern on February 04, 2001 at 16:54:48:

In Reply to: Re: Geese-Feb seaon posted by artman on February 04, 2001 at 15:28:31:

Good news is you can use the license you bought in sept.2000 Bad news is Orangeville is in WMU 78...no Feb season there.

Kern

Re: Geese-Feb seaon

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Posted by artman on February 04, 2001 at 15:28:31:

In Reply to: Geese-Feb seaon posted by Don on February 04, 2001 at 14:56:40:

can anyone tell me if there is a goose season in feb. in the orangeville area.? Do you have to buy another migratory game bird license for 2001 or does last year's count?

Geese-Feb seaon

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Posted by Don on February 04, 2001 at 14:56:40:

I would like to try for Canada Geese in the late Feb season. I suppose the key is to find some open water which is still holding some birds. Any suggestions for areas to scout??

Re: Relieved!

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Posted by Kern on February 03, 2001 at 20:28:59:

In Reply to: Re: Relieved! posted by bob on February 02, 2001 at 12:27:26:

Agree with you Rob 100%....its a shame to see our tax dollars spent like that. As for who's gonna rob a store with a pellet gun?? Well anyone who wants to and cant get their hands on a real gun. Why fork out the bucks for a real one when you can get a pellet gun pistols that look like real S&W or Glock??

Toys have to have an orange band on them to Identify them as a toy. I think Pellet gun pistols should also have some kind of ID.

As for C-68, I truly think it will be changed or even dropped some time soon. We just have to vote in a govt that wants to listen to common sence.

Kern

Re: Just my usual, subjective, biased opions...

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 02, 2001 at 20:56:40:

In Reply to: Re: Just my usual, subjective, biased opions... posted by Braden on February 02, 2001 at 08:55:02:

that was Jeff Foiles - "Foiles Migrators"

Re: What are they charging them with?

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Posted by pete on February 02, 2001 at 20:21:48:

In Reply to: What are they charging them with? posted by Brad on February 01, 2001 at 01:18:22:

People are being charged for no helmets on the atv's, no helmets on the sleds being towed by atv's, towing sleds etc with ropes and not solid draw bars and drinking and other game offenses.

Re: Relieved!

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Posted by bob on February 02, 2001 at 12:27:26:

In Reply to: Relieved! posted by Kevin on February 02, 2001 at 11:52:02:

That sucks! These are not firearms by any stretch, who is going to rob a store, or comit suicide with an air gun? This is utter stupididy, but then so is the rest of c-68.

Relieved!

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Posted by Kevin on February 02, 2001 at 11:52:02:

Japanese junior airgun team and have seized their airguns to determine = if they are "firearms" under the Firearms Act. They are also unsure if = they are able to issue a Temporary Firearms Licence to the competitors = as they are minors. The team is in Canada to compete at the annual = Crosman International Airgun Grand Prix, held in Toronto and hosted by = the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
They just love throwing away our tax money.

Re: Just my usual, subjective, biased opions...

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Posted by Braden on February 02, 2001 at 08:55:02:

In Reply to: Just my usual, subjective, biased opions... posted by Matt Ende on February 01, 2001 at 21:08:46:

Hey Matt, who was that dude out at the Long Point waterfowl symposium last fall. Do you remember his name?? That guy was a damn good caller, was he Canadian?

Re: Good Gun Smiths ?

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 01, 2001 at 21:17:23:

In Reply to: Re: Good Gun Smiths ? posted by Braden on January 31, 2001 at 10:03:10:

I would also like to recommend George McDougal (GAD Products) on Superior Street, Owen Sound. He works 7 days a week, and does everything from fixing broken stuff and replacing parts, all the way up to custom barrels, chamberings, stockwork; yes, he is a bonafide GUNSMITH and expert of small arms and he's definatly the guy to see. HE DOES NOT DO RESTRICTED OR PROHIBITED WEAPONS and is not an 'armourer' or whatever the hell you call those guys that screw new grips and sights onto handguns.

Just my usual, subjective, biased opions...

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Posted by Matt Ende on February 01, 2001 at 21:08:46:

In Reply to: Were to get good goose calls...... posted by BlueWing on January 30, 2001 at 23:29:52:

First off, do you want a shortreed or flute call? If you are a flute blower, than the old standby Olt and BigRiver products may be just what you need. Both are durable, reasonably priced, and are proven Goose Killers. One step up from these guys are the Sean Mann Express and Grounds Guide's best (both very, very good). On the shortreed side, I lean strongly towards, again, my buddy Tim Grounds' calls (ie. Half-Breed). I strongly urge you to look up Tim at his website and call him up. Not only can he give you a (possibly) better deal than the catalogs, but his advice is priceless. If you order his video or instructional CD, I can guarantee you that (with adequate practice) you will impress the hell out of your buddies, dogs, geese, etc. next fall.

Re: Any Hunting/Fishing Show Coming Up..

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Posted by Horntrip on February 01, 2001 at 19:13:24:

In Reply to: Any Hunting/Fishing Show Coming Up.. posted by BlueWing on February 01, 2001 at 11:36:25:

Try this site for whats on at the International Center in TO. http://www.internationalcentre.com/_home/events/

Re: off road vehicle act

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Posted by Horntrip on February 01, 2001 at 19:06:22:

In Reply to: off road vehicle act posted by Pete Dzandzalas on January 31, 2001 at 19:15:04:

This site gives you access to the government of Ontario Statutes & Regulations, both of which contain info. on ATV's. http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/

Re: OOPS! wrong URL!

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Posted by OnnO on February 01, 2001 at 17:36:03:

In Reply to: Any Hunting/Fishing Show Coming Up.. posted by BlueWing on February 01, 2001 at 11:36:25:

Sorry, the website should be

http://www.sportsmensshows.com

Re: Any Hunting/Fishing Show Coming Up..

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Posted by OnnO on February 01, 2001 at 14:51:28:

In Reply to: Any Hunting/Fishing Show Coming Up.. posted by BlueWing on February 01, 2001 at 11:36:25:

Toronto Sportsmen's Show

03-10-2001 to 03-18-2001 or check http://www.sportsmanshows.com

Re: Hunter's Safety Course- Toronto

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Posted by Leon on February 01, 2001 at 13:53:53:

In Reply to: Hunter's Safety Course- Toronto posted by Darek L. on January 31, 2001 at 12:40:21:

goto http://www.ohep.net BTW, I have a book - hunter education guide, or what's its name.. - if you need it - drop me e-mail.

Leon

Re: off road vehicle act

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Posted by Wes on February 01, 2001 at 13:19:13:

In Reply to: Re: off road vehicle act posted by Stephen McNulty on January 31, 2001 at 23:02:32:

http://192.75.156.68:81/ISYSrich/Leg/Statutes/English/OFF-RO~1.DOC

Re: Trapping Licenses

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Posted by Kevin on February 01, 2001 at 12:30:40:

In Reply to: Trapping Licenses posted by Dave on January 31, 2001 at 17:37:41:

Try This

Any Hunting/Fishing Show Coming Up..

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Posted by BlueWing on February 01, 2001 at 11:36:25:

Just wondering if there are any hnting and fishing shows coming up anytime soon...

Re: Were to get good goose calls......

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Posted by BlueWing on February 01, 2001 at 11:34:48:

In Reply to: Were to get good goose calls...... posted by BlueWing on January 30, 2001 at 23:29:52:

I know about Flocknockers I was wondering if there are any call makers or were these calls may be sold in canada cause sure there call are cheap if you are american the exchange rate and shipping kill us canucks...Or better yet is there any hunting shows coming up that might have some.. thanks BW

What are they charging them with?

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Posted by Brad on February 01, 2001 at 01:18:22:

In Reply to: off road vehicle act posted by Pete Dzandzalas on January 31, 2001 at 19:15:04:

No helmets, licenses etc? Or do you mean offroad vehicles like trucks? I believe north of sudbury cops charge people for driving on the ice, too much current bad ice etc.

Re: off road vehicle act

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Posted by Stephen McNulty on January 31, 2001 at 23:02:32:

In Reply to: off road vehicle act posted by Pete Dzandzalas on January 31, 2001 at 19:15:04:

Try here;

http://192.75.156.68/scripts/isyswebext.exe?file=/ISYSquery/IRL9437.tmp/1/doc

sorry only on "k"

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Posted by Matt Ward on January 31, 2001 at 22:37:23:

In Reply to: Were to get good goose calls...... posted by BlueWing on January 30, 2001 at 23:29:52:

www.flocknocker.com

Matt

Re: Were to get good goose calls......

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Posted by Matt Ward on January 31, 2001 at 22:35:22:

In Reply to: Were to get good goose calls...... posted by BlueWing on January 30, 2001 at 23:29:52:

Try www.flockknocker.com.

Matt

off road vehicle act

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Posted by Pete Dzandzalas on January 31, 2001 at 19:15:04:

The OPP and MNR boys have been charging people here on lake st. clair with offenses under this act latley. I cannot find any info on this act anywhere I look on the web. If anyone knows of a site, please let me know.

Trapping Licenses

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Posted by Dave on January 31, 2001 at 17:37:41:

Does anyone know of any trapping courses in the kingston area in the next few months. I'd like to get into trapping and I'll be moving up north this summer.

Hunter's Safety Course- Toronto

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Posted by Darek L. on January 31, 2001 at 12:40:21:

Does anyone know of any places where i can take the hunter's safety course in toronto? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Re: Good Gun Smiths ?

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Posted by Braden on January 31, 2001 at 10:03:10:

In Reply to: Good Gun Smiths ? posted by BOSSTOM on January 30, 2001 at 19:34:51:

for Orillia area... Epps sporting goods (705) 689-5333. Owen Sound area George Mc Dougal (519) 376-1699. There is precision Arms in King City also, but I live here, and I don't use him. He is an excellent smith, but his turnaround time is months, and he has the personality of a toad. Still, he is close to T.O, and his number is (905)833-7151. For an excellent gunsmith within reasonable distance, and with a good turnaround time, try Keith Long in Cobourg tel #(905) 372-5955. Personally I reccomend either Keith or George, George being the furthest!

Were to get good goose calls......

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Posted by BlueWing on January 30, 2001 at 23:29:52:

Does anyone know were you can get good custom goose calls in canada. ex.. Saunders,Zink,Svoboda etc..calls of that caliber... thanks BW

Good Gun Smiths ?

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Posted by BOSSTOM on January 30, 2001 at 19:34:51:

Anyone know of a good Gunsmith north of TO.?

Re: Hunter's Safety Course

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Posted by Jack on January 30, 2001 at 07:48:28:

In Reply to: Hunter's Safety Course posted by reloaded on January 29, 2001 at 15:18:16:

Contact Warren Leonhard 519-824-7709

Re: Duck Decoys

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Posted by Pete F. on January 29, 2001 at 19:27:54:

In Reply to: Duck Decoys posted by Brent on January 27, 2001 at 20:48:15:

I have made some gunning decoys in the past.Hard to keep them,everyones always buying them from me to put them on the mantle.I have made them in the past from cork and cedar.Graduated to a more decorative decoy that is strictly for show and will never see the water.If your interested I know of a good web site for making your own gunning decoys... Pete

Re: Hunter's Safety Course

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Posted by 45-70 on January 29, 2001 at 15:41:53:

In Reply to: Hunter's Safety Course posted by reloaded on January 29, 2001 at 15:18:16:

Contact Shooters Choice or Ben Dalton 94 Columbia St Waterloo 519-884-4524

Hunter's Safety Course

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Posted by reloaded on January 29, 2001 at 15:18:16:

I was wondering if anyone knew when the next Hunter's safety Course is being conducted in the Cambridge-Kitchener area?

Re: FAC Test

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Posted by reloaded on January 29, 2001 at 15:12:59:

In Reply to: FAC Test posted by Jim on January 29, 2001 at 14:53:03:

Hi. I hope I can offer some help. Your best bet would be to phone a local gun shop, or hunting supply store and ask them for names of local instructors. If he could get a hold of the Firearms Safety Manual, he should read it a couple of times and then take the test as a 'challenge'. It worked for me.

FAC Test

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Posted by Jim on January 29, 2001 at 14:53:03:

Does anyone know how you would go about taking the test without taking the course? My father who was once grandfathered,now has to take the course or challange the test.Anyone know where he can do this?

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 28, 2001 at 07:13:49:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Blackwolf on January 27, 2001 at 11:05:01:

You're right, but a good dog will lick the plates so clean that no one will know the difference! HA HA HA..........I won't tell if you won't tell............

Duck Decoys

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Posted by Brent on January 27, 2001 at 20:48:15:

Just wondering if anyone here makes their own gunning decoys??

Brent

thank's for your reply

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Posted by Ray struthers on January 27, 2001 at 12:10:51:

Glad to see that dog's are still being used to stir the deer up. I think that if your hunt in ontairo in the north where it's thick they are a must nothing beats a good dog with a good voice,and good back tracking is the most required trait of all. But all this a side i had a hidden agenda because i have some puppies ready to go in march and was looking to sell them to hunters instead of pets. 3 quaters beagle and one quater walker grade dogs but love to run deer

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 27, 2001 at 11:05:01:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 27, 2001 at 08:23:33:

I smell the coffee, made by a GOOD woman.Any more and it takes the joke out it. We should appreciate the wives who put up with the stuff we put them through! But sometimes a good dog.... still doesn't do dishes!!!

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 27, 2001 at 08:23:33:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Blackwolf on January 27, 2001 at 08:18:49:

Man, I surely don't know what you've been smoking, but i'd like some!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA Wake up & smell the coffee!!!!!!!!

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 27, 2001 at 08:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Kern on January 26, 2001 at 22:45:00:

As I recall, I did say a GOOD woman......a nagging wife is like a dripping faucet. A GOOD woman..... Her price is far beyond rubies. If I had a nagging wife, then I too would rather have the dog, a good wife will help you create a good dog, and to met at the door when you come home by your wife dressed in a ribbon......thats another story.

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Kern on January 26, 2001 at 22:45:00:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Blackwolf on January 26, 2001 at 00:42:01:

Hmmm..a dog wont count how many beers you had at a party. wont mind if you leave the seat up....is always happy to see you no matter what time you walk through the door....and most times does what ya tell it to....Ill take the good dog :)

Kern

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 26, 2001 at 00:42:01:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 25, 2001 at 06:53:42:

I'd much rather have the good woman they are harder to find than a good hound and trust me they can get hotter than a hound, just tell her that you think another woman is better looking you'll see what I mean!!!

Re: Gun Jams

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Posted by Wisky on January 25, 2001 at 19:23:16:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Jams posted by Kevin on January 21, 2001 at 12:06:21:

good question. Extracting as far as I know. But it's been a while I would have to try again and relook. Any feedback on what to look for for either?

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 25, 2001 at 06:53:42:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Stuart on January 24, 2001 at 18:32:57:

You are 100% right...........no other way to jump start your heart then to all of a sudden hear a dog start tonguing a few hundred yards near you!!!!!!!!! It's almost as exciting as a good woman!!!!!!!!

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Kern on January 24, 2001 at 22:31:00:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Blackwolf on January 24, 2001 at 18:39:33:

Hunters position themselves along "a line". The doggers basically run the bush towards the line of hunters. In their effort to evade the hounds, a deer will often run right past someone on the line without any thought. With enough people, the same thing can be done without the dogs to a degree. I hunted like that once. The group did pretty well. Only thing was we were told under no circumstances to approach the dogs when they caught up with the deer :) should have known with names like Bear & Cujo.

Kern

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 24, 2001 at 18:39:33:

In Reply to: demand for deer hounds posted by Ray Struthers on January 24, 2001 at 01:30:55:

I have never hunted with dogs for deer,I'm not putting it down but up to a few years ago, I had not heard of it except in the states. Would someone be so kind as to elaborate so that I can understand the method and style. Thanks, steve

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Stuart on January 24, 2001 at 18:32:57:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by Bob on January 24, 2001 at 17:56:28:

Our camp have used hounds since 1911, originally you didn't go to hunt without each man having one. Now we are down to 2 to 4. Historically in the Canoto Study area over 25 years suggested the success rate was higher without hounds. I can't imagine still hunting for deer, the traditional drive with hounds is absolutely awesome. Nothing makes the heart raise more as you here the hound coming closer, the anticipation, and the fleeting chance at making a good shot. Many people have quite using hounds because of the non provision for training and exercise. I keep two, they never see the deer unless we shoot it. Some are possessive and want to bite the carcass. There is a Deerhound Association, allegedly ther were over 9000 hound licences sold for the 1999 hunt. Join the Ontario Sporting Dog Assoc. I have the secretaries address if you want.

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Bob on January 24, 2001 at 17:56:28:

In Reply to: Re: demand for deer hounds posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 24, 2001 at 06:40:16:

I agree that where I hunt, dogs are the only way to go. But, I know from talking to some of my American freinds, that in some areas it's better to just take a stand. Personally, I'd miss the excitement of a good chase. My dogs typically are back to me in less than half an hour. Deer hounds do not behave like the pack dogs and peoples pets that run wild and chase down and kill deer. I seriously doubt that my hounds would even know what to do if they did catch a deer. But thats not even remotely likely, they are usually at a good distance behind the deer when it's shot.

Re: demand for deer hounds

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 24, 2001 at 06:40:16:

In Reply to: demand for deer hounds posted by Ray Struthers on January 24, 2001 at 01:30:55:

During the gun hunt, dogs are the only way to go & a couple of good deer dogs are worth their weight in gold...........our camp has used dogs in excess of 70 years starting back with my buddies grampa!!!!!!!!! Now when bowhunting........thats a different story!!!!

demand for deer hounds

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Posted by Ray Struthers on January 24, 2001 at 01:30:55:

hi just wanted to know if their is much of a demand for good deer hounds still, or on thier way out. just for the record we still use the dogs have for 20 years and when the deer were not so thick we alway's seem to do well. when you only have a week to hunt and hunt the way your grandparents grandparents hunted the dogs come in pretty handy.

Re: Gun Jams

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Posted by Ray Struthers on January 24, 2001 at 01:00:07:

In Reply to: Gun Jams posted by Wisky on January 21, 2001 at 10:08:37:

hi u don't see many of those guns around much but my dad just happens to own one . it's a tubular mag 10 shot jc-higgens semi auto. and it to jams mostly extracting this may sound of the wall but try cleaning it with gasoline it will work don't use anything that will leave residue. p's usally jam's in colder weather

Re: Traded for...

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Posted by Braden on January 23, 2001 at 14:06:57:

In Reply to: Gun for sale or trade! posted by Braden on January 21, 2001 at 01:56:15:

My Shiny new 3 inch Auto five. Thanks all!

Re: New guy here !

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Posted by bowhunter on January 23, 2001 at 10:54:36:

In Reply to: New guy here ! posted by BOSSTOM on January 22, 2001 at 07:29:22:

I tried turkey hunting last year for the first time. Managed to get my first bird, a 14.5 lb jake. What a buzz. I'm hooked. I did most of my calling with a box call and a plunger type call. I just bought a diapragm call. They're a bit tricky to use. Guess I am going to have to practice a bit.

Re: Check the regs...I think the season closed today Jan 22

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Posted by Kern on January 22, 2001 at 19:53:53:

In Reply to: kern where are you posted by jason on January 22, 2001 at 19:41:37:

We will get them in Feb :)

kern where are you

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Posted by jason on January 22, 2001 at 19:41:37:

kern i found alot of geese going to shoot them tomorrow if the weather is decent (not to cold ) we were rabbit hunting and found them there are over 300 birds using the three fields give me a email or send a instant message

Re: New guy here !

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Posted by Nimrod on January 22, 2001 at 14:53:50:

In Reply to: Re: New guy here ! posted by Vince on January 22, 2001 at 14:48:15:

I too am looking forward to trying for my 5th Ontario turkey this year. Have hunted a bit in NYS as well, but they seem to be a different bird down there.

Re: New guy here !

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Posted by Vince on January 22, 2001 at 14:48:15:

In Reply to: New guy here ! posted by BOSSTOM on January 22, 2001 at 07:29:22:

You got yourself another Turkey hunter here. Last year was my first time out and I managed to fill both my tags thanks to some handy calling on my part and a lot of patience. Can't wait for the season opener......

CO website

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Posted by Fischer on January 22, 2001 at 14:09:27:

Check out the Ontario Conservation Officers Association website - www.ocoa.ca

Re: New guy here !

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Posted by Kern on January 22, 2001 at 12:46:46:

In Reply to: New guy here ! posted by BOSSTOM on January 22, 2001 at 07:29:22:

Welcome to the board BOSSTOM. Not too many turkey discussions here, but there are a few turkey hunters, myself included.

Kern

New guy here !

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Posted by BOSSTOM on January 22, 2001 at 07:29:22:

Hi guy's ,, I just came on to this site , and think it is great to have a board here in Ontario, I live North of TO. and just west of Barrie. I do alot of hunting in Ontario and the US , so I look forward to talking to some of you. My No# 1 hunting Sport is the Wild Turkey, I started back in /89 and now hunt across the US for this Keen bird...BT

Re: Turkey Guns

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Posted by BOSSTOM on January 22, 2001 at 07:22:40:

In Reply to: Turkey Guns posted by bowhunter on January 19, 2001 at 12:46:24:

bowhunter ,, Keep in mind that, when turkey hunting with this gun , make sure your birds are in a range that will cleanly harvest the bird ,,I seen this gun in action last spring and it will not shoot any farther then a 3 in....BT

Re: Late season geese..anyone gettin any??

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Posted by Matt Ward on January 21, 2001 at 22:31:01:

In Reply to: Late season geese..anyone gettin any?? posted by Kern on January 20, 2001 at 17:33:03:

Kern, I was out scouting as saw the same thing; hundreds of mallards and few geese. If the geese are skitish try only using a few decoys like 6-12 big foots, and pack the snow down around them. Try to keep the calling to a minimum, just clucks and whines to keep them on line, and try flagging them at long range. Two of my buddies are past Canadian champion callers and I would say flagging is almost as important as good calling in turning birds. One of my buddies who who guided would only use 3 stuffed birds as decoys while hunting stale geese. The clients were often sceptical of this practice but not after each killed a limit over and guys with 50-100 decoys were getting nothing.

Matt

Re: Gun Jams

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Posted by Sscreemin Reel on January 21, 2001 at 20:32:51:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Jams posted by Kevin on January 21, 2001 at 12:06:21:

Make sure you are using high velocity or hypo velocity ammo.Dont use target ammo..Mike

Re: Late season geese..anyone gettin any??

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Posted by Pete on January 21, 2001 at 12:22:03:

In Reply to: Late season geese..anyone gettin any?? posted by Kern on January 20, 2001 at 17:33:03:

Lots of geese around, 3 of us limited out in three hours shooting on Mon. morn..Key to a good hunt this time of year is open water.If you can hunt the open water great, although I woud'nt recomend it as this is they're roost and they will leave the area after the first gunshot and never come back. Just follow them out in the morning to the feeding fields(usually corn) and hope that they fly outside of city limits ,get permision ,Put some dekes out there and shoot away.We found that because the season had been closed for a while it was like opening day all over again. Happy Hunting Pete

Re: Gun Jams

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Posted by Kevin on January 21, 2001 at 12:06:21:

In Reply to: Gun Jams posted by Wisky on January 21, 2001 at 10:08:37:

Feeding or extracting?

Gun Jams

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Posted by Wisky on January 21, 2001 at 10:08:37:

I own a JC Higgins 22 semi that jams continously.

I have taken apart the trigger mechanism and cleaned it thouroghly still have the problem. Any ideas?? So far I have not lubed it with anything as all parts seem to move really free.

Gun for sale or trade!

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Posted by Braden on January 21, 2001 at 01:56:15:

1 BRNO ZKW 465 .22 hornet in great shape. Iron sites regulated for 50,75 and 150 yards. Schnabel forend. Gun is a shooter. Also has Original brass scope bases. Looking for... make a reasonable offer (approx value 550 USD last time I checked). Or trade for a Browning auto 5, 3 inch chamber, must be vent ribbed, and preferably already tapped for chokes or a poly choke. i can live with a fixed choke as long as its 3 inch. japanese, or belgium, it doesn't matter. email yu242247@yorku.ca or call (416) 567-0604. I am in King City area. I hate to say it, but FAC is a must. Includes soft case and fifty pieces of once fired.

Braden

Late season geese..anyone gettin any??

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Posted by Kern on January 20, 2001 at 17:33:03:

With the snow and cold that we had this year its no wonder that there are hardly any geese around. Was out last night and this morning and most of the birds on the move are Mallards...hundreds of them...the geese i did see were a little decoy shy and flared at the slightest movement.

I think those mallards know when the seasons open and close. Alot of them came close enough to make eye contact and I swear they were grinnin at me!!

Re: Any wolves in this area?

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Posted by Stuart on January 20, 2001 at 07:02:57:

In Reply to: Any wolves in this area? posted by Fox on January 17, 2001 at 16:03:38:

Spoardically we will see one while whitetail hunting south of Calabogie.In the past 20 years 10 guys have seen one. Depending on the year you will here there awesome howel.Probably every other year we will here them at night. They are a very evasive animal. We saw one in the winter chase a whitetail out onto the ice. Coyotes are significantly smaller than any timberwolf I've seen. I can listen to coyotes at night howeling in the Kingston area, you can't confuse them with wolves. Coydogs are an urban myth, thats why they charge you a dog licence. We run coyotes in February, I haven't seen many stud dogs trying to rape the coyotes that are in heat. I wouldn't send out your lab or beagle to make a cross.

Re: info on o/u shotgun

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Posted by Rick Teal on January 19, 2001 at 21:45:13:

In Reply to: Re: info on o/u shotgun posted by Fischer on January 19, 2001 at 08:40:43:

Mines a 300XL autoloader. It has only a fixed choke, and takes 2 3/4" shells. It's light and well balanced and a pleasure to carry, but I prefer using the IGA.

Re: Turkey Guns

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Posted by Nimrod on January 19, 2001 at 15:50:40:

In Reply to: Turkey Guns posted by bowhunter on January 19, 2001 at 12:46:24:

Not to change your mind or anything, but there have been millions of ducks and geese killed with 3" and even 2 3/4"!. After all, 3 1/2" is relatively new, and we did just fine before that (I know, lead vs. steel!). Whether ducks or geese, if you are shooting over decoys, the shots tend to be fairly close, and you certainly don't need a 3 1/2" for turkeys. Keep in mind that 3 1/2" kicks pretty good, especially in something that won't absorb any of the shock, such as a pump or double.

Re: Turkey Guns

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Posted by bowhunter on January 19, 2001 at 15:07:07:

In Reply to: Re: Turkey Guns posted by Fox on January 19, 2001 at 14:57:10:

Thanks for the information, that was just what I wanted to know, I was planning on going for the super magnum model in the camo finish. I know it's a little more exepnsive, but I don't get to buy new toys very often.

Re: Turkey Guns

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Posted by Fox on January 19, 2001 at 14:57:10:

In Reply to: Turkey Guns posted by bowhunter on January 19, 2001 at 12:46:24:

If you want to hunt ducks and geese with it go with the super magnum. I have the matte black version of the super magnum turkey gun, I like it because it is lighter than the 28" and can be swung easier. The shorter barrel will not effect your shot patterning only the choke will. The reason people use longer barrels is because the sight plane is longer so a more precise shot can be made on flying long range geese. I like the remington 870 and with a super magnum you have the versitility of 3 1/2" shells. You will like it.

Turkey Guns

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Posted by bowhunter on January 19, 2001 at 12:46:24:

I am considering puchasing a Remington 870 Express, the Magnum Turkey model. The gun comes equipped with a 23 inch barrel and a extra full Turkey choke. Since this will be my only shotgun, I was wondering if it will be versatile to hunt waterfowl in ponds if equipped with a modified choke or field goose hunting when equipped with a full choke.

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 19, 2001 at 09:13:11:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by bob on January 19, 2001 at 06:31:21:

I have an older Remington 742 in 30.06 & i've never had a problem with it except when I was reloading my own shells & experimenting with new loads.........it was my fault as the charge wasn't strong enough to throw the bolt back...nothing to do with the gun........also, my Ruger 10/22 functions flawlessly even when I have the 25 round mag in it and i'm emptying it as fast as I can pull the trigger........maybe it has something to due with my military training & the fact that I keep all my firearms in top notch condition.......oh well, whatever it is, I can't complain!

Re: info on o/u shotgun

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Posted by Fischer on January 19, 2001 at 08:40:43:

In Reply to: Re: info on o/u shotgun posted by Rick Teal on January 18, 2001 at 21:05:49:

Which SKB have you got?

I just bought a used model 500 deluxe. Came with 6 choke tubes and a suitcase type case. Really like it. Funny thing is, with the factory choke tubes and all, it's a fairly new gun. However, it's only chambered for 2 3/4"! Doesn't matter, since I won't be taking it for ducks anyway.

I had a Model 500 a few years ago, that I loved. Unfortunately, while temporarily insane, I sold it to my brother-in-law, who is now my ex-brother-in-law. :( It was chambered for 3".

Story I got on my new gun was that it was bought by a soldier while he was stationed in Germany. Maybe they produce the 2 3/4" for the European market.

I really liked the SKB 20 ga. S/S. Model 100, I think. If that's what you've got, and you don't use it, maybe we can make a deal!

politicians

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 19, 2001 at 08:30:05:

Politicians

Poli: from latin meaning "many"

tics: "small blood sucking nuisances"

So really guys, what can we expect from our politicians

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by bob on January 19, 2001 at 06:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 19, 2001 at 06:10:04:

Reminton 7400, my example Slides that operate the bolt are close enough to the action walls to allow the build up of varnish and gum from oils to impede the action. Typically this occurs on the return stroke, failure to load the second shot. Some guys, it never happens to, but Ive talked to a number that have ditched this gun because it's unreliable.

Re: Any wolves in this area?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 19, 2001 at 06:15:46:

In Reply to: Any wolves in this area? posted by Fox on January 17, 2001 at 16:03:38:

There are hundreds of them around...........just go to Queens Park or Parliment Hill........they are disgussed as politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 19, 2001 at 06:10:04:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by Bob on January 18, 2001 at 18:08:11:

I had a civilian model of the FN C1A1 prior to it been banned by our illustrious government & it to work flawlessly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: GRCA update

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Posted by Screemin Reel on January 19, 2001 at 01:51:59:

In Reply to: GRCA update posted by Fischer on January 18, 2001 at 09:53:34:

I agree with Fischer 100 percent and I urge anyone who is concerned about our losing our public hunting lands to contact the GRCA at grandriver.on.ca to voice your concerns.Some of you who hunt on private land may think this will not affect you but it sure will!Imagine?Public land which has always been free for us to ALL! use,being restricted to only Xcountry skiers and hikers.If they ban hunting on public land how can hunting be assured anywhere else!All of you look in your Hunting regs on the inside cover and you will see stated that the Ontario Government is committed to ensuring that hunting remains a part of our heritage.How can this be so when the MNR hands over Crown land to regional control aand then they ban hunting!!I have seen so much hunting land disappear over the years that it greatly concerns me.As it should concern us all...Thanks..Mike

Re: GRCA update

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Posted by Screemin Reel on January 19, 2001 at 01:11:09:

In Reply to: GRCA update posted by Fischer on January 18, 2001 at 09:53:34:

I am behind Fischer 100 percent and to all other hunters out there who are concerned about our loss of public hunting lands I urge you to contact the GRCA at grandriver.on.ca to voice your concerns.Many of you may hunt on private land and may think this does not effect you but it sure will!Imagine?Crown land which has always been there for us ALL! to use, being restricted to only Xcountry skiers and hikers.How can you have a future hunting on private land when our use of public land is being denied to us.All of you look in the Hunting Regs book and you will see where it state the Ontario Government is committed to ensuring that hunting remains a part of our heritage for future generations.How can this be so when MNR Crown land is being handed over to regional control and hunting is then banned??!!I am letting off a lot of steam here tonight,but over the years I have seen so much hunting land disappear that it concerns me greatly as I think it should concern us ALL!..Thanks..Mike

Re: info on o/u shotgun

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Posted by Rick Teal on January 18, 2001 at 21:05:49:

In Reply to: info on o/u shotgun posted by greenhorn on January 18, 2001 at 16:42:39:

I bought an IGA Condor about 15 years ago from Lebaron for around $300. I understand they cost quite a bit more now. I've never had a problem with mine. It patterns well, and I really enjoy carrying it.

It's my primary shotgun now, and I have a Browning Auto 5, Remington 870 and Ithaca SKB that I leave at home.

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Bob on January 18, 2001 at 18:08:11:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by Bob on January 17, 2001 at 06:55:36:

Dum ash redneck hunter, Military semis are a whole different ball game. Why production semis aren't built like that is a mystery (rip off) to me. I agree that military semis are much more reliable.

Re: info on o/u shotgun

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Posted by Kevin on January 18, 2001 at 17:09:17:

In Reply to: info on o/u shotgun posted by greenhorn on January 18, 2001 at 16:42:39:

Click Here

info on o/u shotgun

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Posted by greenhorn on January 18, 2001 at 16:42:39:

A friend of a friend is selling a IGA Condori o/u shotgun and is asking $350-$450 for it. He says that it will take 3" mag shells so it cant be that old of a gun.My question to you all is have any of you heard of this manufacturer because I haven't? Also does anyone know of any problems with this gun? want to hear it good or bad.I haven't seen the gun yet so I dont know what kind of shape its in. Is this a good price?

Re: Any wolves in this area?

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Posted by Brad on January 18, 2001 at 16:17:36:

In Reply to: Re: Any wolves in this area? posted by Nimrod on January 18, 2001 at 14:18:49:

I seen a big black one three weeks ago south of little britain on my way to go ice fishing, it stopped three times in the feild because the snow was so deep. Seen a few more over the past few years as well. Lots of coyotes here too. One or two wolves have been shot here this week. They guy said they are getting more coyotes than wolves.

Re: Any wolves in this area?

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Posted by Nimrod on January 18, 2001 at 14:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: Any wolves in this area? posted by Vince on January 17, 2001 at 17:41:49:

I think only unconfirmed reports, but lots of them.

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 18, 2001 at 12:27:37:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 18, 2001 at 06:30:17:

Oh I'm nobody,navel lint, but I'm sure the we used the same firearms. I was with RCEME spent some time northern ontario, something to do over a little incident in Petawawa. Lived two years in Thompson Man dammed cold there, it has to warm up to snow! Semi's were unreliable there, most were bolt action or pump.

Just kidding about the rest! couldn't resist the comment

GRCA update

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Posted by Fischer on January 18, 2001 at 09:53:34:

I've been advised that GRCA will be having meetings with MNR to discuss the GRCA policy about banning hunting in Agreement Forests, except those they patrol (Luther Marsh and Conestoga Lake).

I've asked if it is possible for a hunter to attend these meetings to provide representation for us. This is under discussion.

I've also e-mailed OFAH about this, as this is an issue I think they should be involved in.

If they agree to allow someone to represent us, hopefully OFAH will carry the ball. If they can't, we'll have to do it ourselves.

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 18, 2001 at 06:30:17:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by Blackwolf on January 17, 2001 at 15:39:55:

I was a Sgt. in the Canadain Armed Farces, oopssss, I meant Forces & we carried a Browning 9mm Hi-Power, and depending on what you were assinged to, either a Sterling submachine gun or an FN C1A1 or FN C1A2 which was a 7.62 (308). Spent time in Gagetown, out west & up north!!!!!! Hell, my personal firearms worked better that the gd tank I was crew commanding!!!!!!!!! SO who are you & why do you want to know..........if I told you anymore i'd have to terminate you....ha ha ha ha.....have a good one!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Any wolves in this area?

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Posted by Vince on January 17, 2001 at 17:41:49:

In Reply to: Any wolves in this area? posted by Fox on January 17, 2001 at 16:03:38:

I was having a chat with a farmer last year in Walkerton and he said he had seen one on his front lawn and by the time he got the double barrel loaded he was gone.

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Kern on January 17, 2001 at 16:48:40:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by Bob on January 17, 2001 at 06:55:36:

As a kid, I would take my 22 semi into the frozen bush of Labrador when it was well below zero. Never had any problems with it. Still have that gun today and it works fine. The only semis I would be wary of is the gas operated ones....especially shot guns. Slightest bit of dirt gets into one of those and your done!!

Any wolves in this area?

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Posted by Fox on January 17, 2001 at 16:03:38:

I know there are coyotes and coydogs but want to know iof anyone has seen timbers south of Barrie.

Thanks

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 17, 2001 at 15:41:14:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 17, 2001 at 09:39:21:

where were you stationed and what type of weapon were you assigned? my government wants to know

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 17, 2001 at 15:39:55:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 17, 2001 at 09:39:21:

where were you stationed and what type of weapon were you assigned?

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Alain on January 17, 2001 at 13:45:51:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 17, 2001 at 09:39:21:

Can,t believe,,, you were in the armed forces.....but then again !!!

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 17, 2001 at 09:39:21:

In Reply to: Re: Gun jams posted by Bob on January 17, 2001 at 06:55:36:

That's a load of crap...........get a good gun & you won't have a problem!!!!!!!!!! I spent 7 years in the Armed Forces & had no problems with my weapon jamming even in double digit sub zero temperatures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Gun jams

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Posted by Bob on January 17, 2001 at 06:55:36:

In Reply to: Gun jams posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 15:23:31:

First, i never did trust semi's

Semis are prone to gumming up in the action. This is espescially prevelant in cold weather, hence they got better as the day warmed up. The last time this happenned to me, cleaning the action with pure turpentine "solved" it. Use oil very very sparingly, many guys use silicone spray instead.

Re: found shed

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Posted by Chapleauite on January 16, 2001 at 23:35:46:

In Reply to: Re: found shed posted by Pete on January 15, 2001 at 16:48:10:

You have a good point regarding saving energy during the winter. Once I found a pair of moose antlers, still attached to the skull (picked clean). I tried to carry it out of the bush - side ways and I couldn't do it. I would imagine it takes lots of energy to carry a big rack through the bush.

Re: found shed

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Posted by Bill on January 16, 2001 at 23:16:45:

In Reply to: Re: found shed posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 14:47:43:

2 Years ago while in New Jersey, I found both sheds right next to each other on top of snow in mid January. I have to think that the rut ends later in New Jersy and by default they shed their antlers later. So I wouldn't think it is too uncommon for here.

I have found sheds in New Jersey starting from early January.

As a side story...that same year, I shot an eight pointer during archery season. While traking his blood-trail I found a drop of blood on a shed antler(what are the odds). This was from a buck from the previous year. I was amazed that the shed was in perfect shape.

Regards,

Bill

Re: send kudos to a liberal that speaks the truth

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Posted by Bob on January 16, 2001 at 21:07:22:

In Reply to: send kudos to a liberal that speaks the truth posted by artman on January 16, 2001 at 20:31:45:

Done. Nice to see cracks in the Liberal wall.

send kudos to a liberal that speaks the truth

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Posted by artman on January 16, 2001 at 20:31:45:

Here is contact info for David Anderson, the only liberal to actually admit that the federal gun laws are a shambles. I wanted to say what they really are but Kern keeps editting my language. Here is the contact info I spoke of:

Name: The Hon. David Anderson Political Party: Liberal Caucus Constituency: Victoria Province: British Columbia Telephone: (613) 996-2358 Fax: (613) 952-1458 Email: Anderson.D@parl.gc.ca

Re: 6.5+55 for varmits

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Posted by Tackleberry on January 16, 2001 at 15:40:24:

In Reply to: Re: 6.5+55 for varmits posted by Fox on January 15, 2001 at 15:01:06:

I had a friend load some for me last summer. WOW!! Hornady VMax 85gr. Groundhog hunting has never been the same!! They do not move. Now, pelt damage is another thing. The results on groundhogs were devistating. I actually took one and growned it down for a profile. the polymer tip is surrounded by a thicker jacketing than what is down the sides (area where the barrel contact is)

The way I see it is, as the tip is pushed into the bullet when contact is made, it acts like a plunger and incerts forcing the thinner wall to expand.

In reality that means the bullet is expanding upon entry instead of expanding as it passes thru.

This is a factor in using it on small framed animals. This will utilize the full potenial of the round.

Re: found shed

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Posted by Nimrod on January 16, 2001 at 15:20:19:

In Reply to: Re: found shed posted by Pete on January 15, 2001 at 16:48:10:

I believe that the best theory as to why they shed is simply to reduce the weight that they are needlessly carrying around in winter, thus reducing the amount of energy they are burning. This weight may not seem significant for deer (although it is for some bruisers!), but when you look at a big moose or elk rack, well a moose rack can weigh upwards of 50 lbs! That is significant. As to trying to knock the other one off once one has shed, I have not heard of this. Although deer don't look in mirrors to see that they are asymmetrical, I guess they can feel the weight difference. I would not be surprised if they do this.

Re: Nelsons Great Outdoors...

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Posted by Nimrod on January 16, 2001 at 15:13:51:

In Reply to: Nelsons Great Outdoors... posted by Braden on January 12, 2001 at 23:15:49:

Thanks guys, and thanks Braden; I picked up 3 boxes at Nelson's.

Home Hardware

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Posted by Shooter on January 16, 2001 at 10:30:01:

In Reply to: Looking for Challengers posted by Nimrod on January 12, 2001 at 15:45:16:

HH used to be challengers largest chain supplier... if any of the HH stores are still carrying ammo

shooter

Re: Ruger 10/22

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Posted by Dave on January 15, 2001 at 20:38:17:

In Reply to: Ruger 10/22 posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 15:31:42:

I own a 10/22 stainless LR and it's the best .22 made. I've never once had it jam, and i even have a banana clip for it and can put 50rds through it as fast as I can pull the trigger. Plus it's as accurate as you'll need from a .22 Easily good to 100yds.

Re: Ruger 10/22

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Posted by Kevin on January 15, 2001 at 18:25:34:

In Reply to: Ruger 10/22 posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 15:31:42:

.22 Mag models have a 9-shot magazine. That barrel band can`t be good for the harmonics.

Re: found shed

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Posted by Pete on January 15, 2001 at 16:48:10:

In Reply to: found shed posted by C.F.G. on January 15, 2001 at 08:44:13:

I too would like to get more insight into sheds. Why do deer drop them if they are physiologically 'dead' with respect to resource allocation in a buck? I found a shed on Dec 28 this past year and, although I looked a little bit in vain, I did not find it's mate. Does anyone know if bucks dislike the asymmetry and try to dislodge the second one. Do they fall off as prescribed by temperature, photoperiod or do the connections to the skull simply wear out. Also, does anybody have any tricks to finding them other than training your dog to bring them back?

Re: Ruger 10/22

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Posted by brent on January 15, 2001 at 16:21:54:

In Reply to: Ruger 10/22 posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 15:31:42:

Nimrod:

I have a 10/22 LR and love it. I have a full size 4 power scope on it and it is deadly accurate.

Also, you can get Challenger shells at Accuracy Plus in Peterborough. They have quite a good supply of them and are priced not too bad.

Brent

Ruger 10/22

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Posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 15:31:42:

As I have stated before, I have been wanting a Remington 597 .22WMR. However, after witnessing a recent bad performance with one (although it may not have been a gun problem, per se), and being quite unimpressed with the cheap plastic magazines, I am considering a Ruger 10/22 in .22WMR. It is a little more expensive, but the Ruger is a proven performer. I have never seen a magnum, though. Anyone have any firsthand experience? I have never been a big fan of the look of the 10/22, probably because of that barrel shroud, since I do like the deluxe and target models. However, if it is a better gun...? I wonder if the magnum has the same 10 shot capacity as the LR?

Gun jams

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Posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 15:23:31:

While rabbit hunting last Thursday, we had a very bizarre experience. Of the six of us, 4 guys were using .22WMR semiautos. Throughout the day, three of these guns jammed, repeatedly. They were the Remington 597, H&K and a Marlin. Sometimes the jam occured before a shot was fired, other times after one shot, other times after a few shots. The jams seemed to occur early on, and then seemed to straighten out in the afternoon. Very weird. There were several theories thrown around, from "should have cleaned my gun", to "didn't remove all the oil after I cleaned my gun", to "must be a bad lot of ammo". Since some guns were cleaned while others weren't, and since the temperature was zero and above zero, I don't buy the cleaning theory. I also don't buy the ammo excuse, as .22 ammo is manufactured to high standards these days (we're talking premium Winchester ammo, not some cheap imports). It was a bit of a damp day, and I wonder if maybe there was just "something" in the air that morning that caused these problems. Only one .22WMR semi and my 12 gauge semi were immune. Any thoughts?

Re: 6.5+55 for varmits

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Posted by Fox on January 15, 2001 at 15:01:06:

In Reply to: 6.5+55 for varmits posted by Screemin Reel on January 15, 2001 at 13:00:13:

You have to reload to get a lighter bullet like the 85gr. I would look at Norma, they may have some lighter factory rounds but will cost more.

Hope this helps.

Re: found shed

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Posted by Nimrod on January 15, 2001 at 14:47:43:

In Reply to: found shed posted by C.F.G. on January 15, 2001 at 08:44:13:

I would agree that it is a little early, but considering that we have had a lot of snow and cold temperatures earlier than we are used to, this doesn't surprise me. I am not sure what triggers the shedding of antlers, whether it's photo or temperature sensitivity, but I do know that the purpose is to make the struggle for survival through the winter easier. It just stands to reason that if winter hits early, the antlers will shed early, especiallly when I have heard reports that the rut seemed to end earlier this year (thus ending the need for antlers).

6.5+55 for varmits

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Posted by Screemin Reel on January 15, 2001 at 13:00:13:

Does anyone know if there is an ammo manufacturer that produces varmit loads for a swedish 6.5+55,something a little lighter than the standard 140 Gr.bullet.Something that will cause less pelt damage to coyotes?Thanks for any info....Mike

Re: reloading data for challenger

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Posted by Don on January 15, 2001 at 12:26:56:

In Reply to: reloading data for challenger posted by Fox on January 12, 2001 at 22:59:12:

I have loaded them alot. I use 16.5 grains of 700X with 1 oz. of shot. Being cheap shells it is hard to get a good crimp, - I have found that the 7/8 oz Winchester wads (grey) will give the best crimp. I reload them once and then throw them away since I can get 1000's at my skeet club. Good luck

found shed

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Posted by C.F.G. on January 15, 2001 at 08:44:13:

Yesterday, while cross-country skiing I came upon a 4-point deer shed near some bedding area(5 or 6 deer are using this 5-acre bush every nite).I walked the whole area but didn't find anymore. Wouldn't Jan.12 be a bit soon in WWU-65 for deer to shed their antler.I asked our MNR 'experts' a few years back and thy claimed Jan.25 to FEB.05 was standard.

Andersons Fax, and phone

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Posted by Bob on January 15, 2001 at 07:32:08:

In Reply to: Crack in the armor? posted by Fischer on January 11, 2001 at 16:21:18:

The Hon David Anderson

Minister

House of Commons Environment

Wellington Street Ottawa, Ontario Canada K1A 0A6

Telephone (613) 996-2358 Fax (613) 952-1458

Re: CROSSBOW

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Posted by Mike on January 15, 2001 at 05:51:28:

In Reply to: Re: CROSSBOW posted by Vince on January 14, 2001 at 18:32:34:

Brampton Archery 7-42 Regan Road (905) 840-3939. It's owned & operated by Ray & Pat Weatherbee who both have full time jobs during the day. They have been in the archery business for app. 13 years & the store is open in the evening 6-9pm & Sat. 10-6pm if i'm not mistaken.........as I work from noon till ????? i can only go on Saturdays......they are both very friendly & helpful & anyone i've met in there has been helpful as well.............if you go in, tell them Mike the truck driver that just bought the EXOCET sent you..........email me if you need any more info...........good hunting.........Mike

Re: Crack in the armor?

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Posted by Rob S on January 14, 2001 at 20:29:49:

In Reply to: Re: Crack in the armor? posted by artman on January 12, 2001 at 16:22:39:

great Idea, lets do it

Re: CROSSBOW

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Posted by Vince on January 14, 2001 at 18:32:34:

In Reply to: CROSSBOW posted by Mike on January 14, 2001 at 07:18:30:

You said you purchased the bow in Brampton. I just recently moved to Brampton and was wondering where you bought it so that I may check out the store myself.

Re: Looking for Challengers

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Posted by Vince on January 14, 2001 at 18:29:40:

In Reply to: Looking for Challengers posted by Nimrod on January 12, 2001 at 15:45:16:

Unfortunately I don't know the name of the place nor their phone number but they are located on college and dufferin. Small store owned by a Portugese guy and you should be able to find them in the yellow pages.

CROSSBOW

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Posted by Mike on January 14, 2001 at 07:18:30:

Yahoo........got my brand spanking new Exocet yeterday & what an awsome piece of equipment.......fired 10 bolts with it & all bullseyes!!!!!!!! No adjustments needed on the scope whatsoever!!!!!!!!! Can't wait to try it out on a deer!!!!!!!! Anywhere in the Brampton area that I can practice with other than the bow shop I bought it at as their range is limited to 17yds. Thanks in advance for your responses........Robin Hood, as my wife now calls me...ha ha ha ha ha

Re: Thought you fell down an ice hole!!!

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Posted by Matt on January 13, 2001 at 17:16:39:

In Reply to: Thought you fell down an ice hole!!! posted by Braden on January 12, 2001 at 23:12:28:

Good to hear good things. I bought a Coleman scanoe - 15'6' LOA, 44" abeam, rated for 1000kg of cargo and 3 hp. I also got a Minn Kota 44lb electric in the wetlands camo finish. I painted all the exposed metal matte black, and I have a welder/tube bender in Burlington working on the framework for the blind right now. Basically, there will be a lightweight fold up/down frame and a fitted cover (camo burlap and Avery 3D netting) and 8 sheets of fastgrass. Unfortunately, there is not enough space on the transom to mount 2 motors (gas&electric) so I will have to alternate between the minnkota and the 3.3 that I have not yet decided upon. Other than that, I have been working steadily, lots of overtime, very little time to do anything other than the requisite eat/sleep/sex/dogwalks. talk to you soon. BTW - planning a weekend in Temagami for post-Feb 15th.

Re: Crack in the armor?

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 13, 2001 at 02:32:04:

In Reply to: Crack in the armor? posted by Fischer on January 11, 2001 at 16:21:18:

I realy don't think that this gov't has any intention of giving up their Godsend!The gun bill does not have anything to do with guns, but rather its the first bill passed that no longer has to be presented to parliament to change it. It is also the same law that Hitler brought in and made himself a dictator and started the second world war with the aid of the gun bill he brought in in '35.The gun law is almost word for word what Hitler brought in. Those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it.And I'm afraid that Canada will follow the same route that Germany did!

Nelsons Great Outdoors...

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Posted by Braden on January 12, 2001 at 23:15:49:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for Challengers posted by Nirmod on January 12, 2001 at 16:27:38:

at Dundas and dufferin in T.O. (416) 538-6278 He stocks a good supply of Challengers. Give him a call.

Thought you fell down an ice hole!!!

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Posted by Braden on January 12, 2001 at 23:12:28:

In Reply to: Hey Braden - posted by Matt Ende on January 12, 2001 at 03:47:42:

Hey man, glad to hear your still kickin. I guess work is busy. What kind of boat you workin on?? I'm dreamin of skinner already. We are taking the other 12 footer down from simcoe, and into my garage. Going to slap a permanent blind on her. Probably going to use 8th inch ply and glass it. It will be a nice 2 person boat. I'd like to use the one in my garage as it's wider, but the transom is weak, so unless Aaron thinks he can fix it... it'll be the other one. Yes I am glad to be back, but I am rather unimpressed with the potential outcome of the academic year. Needless to say I am sorry to have paid 4gs for nothing. Lise is in Cancun with family for 2 weeks so I am pretty free other than studying. We are going to drill some holes on Scug Sunday aft, let me know if you can make it. Drop off my deer barrel at Georges 2 weeks ago. Having it tapped for chokes. Also had the Ruger boresighted. Phone call is forthcoming. Talk soon.

Braden

reloading data for challenger

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Posted by Fox on January 12, 2001 at 22:59:12:

I have about 200 empty challenger hulls and would like to know if any of you have found any reloading recipis. They are 7 1/2 target loads, you know the cheap case.

Thanks!

Re: LeBarons

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Posted by Rick Teal on January 12, 2001 at 22:49:33:

In Reply to: LeBarons posted by pete on January 12, 2001 at 21:45:52:

Try www.lebaron.ca

LeBarons

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Posted by pete on January 12, 2001 at 21:45:52:

does LeBarons have a web site and if so what is it?

Re: plano gunslinger

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Posted by pete on January 12, 2001 at 21:30:20:

In Reply to: Re: plano gunslinger posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 10, 2001 at 08:33:31:

thanks for the info. I think the mount came from there but I wasn't sure

Re: Looking for Challengers

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Posted by Peter on January 12, 2001 at 17:37:23:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for Challengers posted by Nirmod on January 12, 2001 at 16:27:38:

Accuracyy Plus in Peterborough has the Challenger 2 3/4 BB.

Re: Looking for Challengers

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Posted by Nirmod on January 12, 2001 at 16:27:38:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for Challengers posted by artman on January 12, 2001 at 16:18:56:

Thank you. I should have provided more info. I have tried a few Canadian Tires, but I don't believe that I have seen any Challengers. I have seen a few old boxes of Imperial, but not what I need. If you know of a particular location...? I also know of The Gun Room, and it may come to that, but it seems a bit of a hassle to have to drive to Waterloo or Cobourg when I live in Ajax and work in Toronto.

Re: Crack in the armor?

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Posted by artman on January 12, 2001 at 16:22:39:

In Reply to: Re: Crack in the armor? posted by Fischer on January 12, 2001 at 13:27:02:

Does anyone know how to contact these two MPs who are about the only liberals that have some common sense? We should all email them and support them. Maybe if we support the only two liberals that realize the incredible clusterf**k that this has become, we will get some of our voices heard.

Re: Looking for Challengers

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Posted by artman on January 12, 2001 at 16:18:56:

In Reply to: Looking for Challengers posted by Nimrod on January 12, 2001 at 15:45:16:

have you tried Long's gunsmithing in Cobourg? Sorry I don't have the telephone number with me but he is in the phone book. I think that Canadian Tire might carry that brand. The reason I say this is that I know I have seen them recently somewhere and Canadian tire is the only place I have been. You might also try shooter's choice in Waterloo Kitchener area. They have a good website to check out too. Good luck.

Looking for Challengers

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Posted by Nimrod on January 12, 2001 at 15:45:16:

I guess Imperial shotshells are no longer being made, but I have recently tried Challengers and quite liked them, including the price and the fact that they are Canadian made. However, I am having trouble finding them. The only place I know that has some is Gagnon's in Oshawa, but they were out of what I was looking for, specifically 2 3/4" 12 gauge BB. Any suggestions?

Re: Crack in the armor?

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Posted by Fischer on January 12, 2001 at 13:27:02:

In Reply to: Re: Crack in the armor? posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 12, 2001 at 08:23:55:

Think of it this way. If they are going to dump this boondoggle, isn't it more likely that they will do it in the early part of their mandate, so it can be forgotten about by the time the next election rolls around?? Canadian voters do have awful short memories.

However there is also the fact that they are rolling in dough, so the public has no idea whether they've spent $500 million or $5 Billion. So, in that way, it's likely they'll never let their pet project go.

Do I honestly think they're going to dump the Firearms Act in the foreseeable future? Nah! But I can dream, can't I?

Re: Crack in the armor?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 12, 2001 at 08:23:55:

In Reply to: Crack in the armor? posted by Fischer on January 11, 2001 at 16:21:18:

Well maybe now the idiots at Parliment Hill will take notice, although I seriously doubt it...........what do they care, afterall, us idiots voted them in for another 3 years of screwing the public!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Braden -

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Posted by Matt Ende on January 12, 2001 at 03:47:42:

Can't get into hotmail for some reason - since I'm here, just wanted to let you know I am very busy right now and haven't had a chance to call lately. Other than work, I got my 'new duck boat' on the go and it's coming along nicely. Give me a call next week if you can. By the way - GOOD TO HEAR YOU'RE BACK IN SCHOOL. things gotta be busy i.e. catching up... talk to you soon.

Crack in the armor?

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Posted by Fischer on January 11, 2001 at 16:21:18:

This was in today's Toronto Sun

Gun law reb shot down PM silences attack by environment minister

By ANNE DAWSON, OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien tore a strip off Environment Minister David Anderson in cabinet for criticizing the government over its problem-plagued gun law, a senior cabinet minister told Sun Media.

"The PM raked Anderson over the coals. He told him that ministers should be careful about criticizing other ministers," the source said. "It makes the whole government look bad."

The source said it was embarrassing for Anderson, who said nothing in response.

Despite original estimates in 1995 that implementation of Canada's gun registry would cost $85 million, cabinet ministers were shocked to learn it has soared to nearly $500 million.

"We were all alarmed at how high the costs were," one minister said. "It's been a mess since the start."

Justice Minister Anne McLellan, who was unavailable for comment yesterday, has insisted user fees will eventually cover the entire cost of the gun registry. But government documents reveal only $17 million has been collected from fees so far.

McLellan made a presentation to cabinet Tuesday, telling her colleagues how well the registry is working. But she did not say how much it is costing.

Sources say the justice department has well exceeded the gun registry budget and regularly goes to Treasury Board for a top-up when it needs it.

Colleagues also blame Health Minister Allan Rock, who launched the program.

IGNORED ADVICE

Sources say both ministers are naive and ignore advice. Rock rejected a recommendation not to set up the Canadian Firearms Centre and instead allow the revenue ministry, which has a sophisticated computer system with an expansive database, to handle registration.

Chretien pointed to a newspaper clipping that quoted Anderson as saying he intends to pass an endangered species bill that is more "friendly" to people in rural Canada than the Liberal's gun registration law.

Anderson said the gun law "does not appear to be a howling success in terms of everybody complying," adding it's a good lesson to the government to make future legislation that's friendly and easy to understand and implement.

The Firearms Act required that by Jan. 1, 2001, all gun owners be licensed to possess or acquire a gun and all firearms be registered by 2003. Penalties for violating the law entail jail terms of up to five years.

Hundreds of thousands of gun owners are now in violation of the law, according to the CFC. Only 1.9 million of an estimated 2.2 million gun owners have registered.

Re: They're Just Nuts About Ducks

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Posted by Big Bore on January 11, 2001 at 10:57:24:

In Reply to: They're Just Nuts About Ducks posted by Vince on January 11, 2001 at 09:06:48:

I too at times wonder why I duck hunt, but duck hunting season opens-then I KNOW!

They're Just Nuts About Ducks

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Posted by Vince on January 11, 2001 at 09:06:48:

The hunters of ducks are a crazy breed; A hole in the mud is all they need; A place to hide from a flying duck Is 80 acres of smelly muck; Their eyes burn out in the midday glare, And duck lice thrive in their thinning hair. They wade in the mud that would bog a flea, Like a bunch of bums with house-maid's knee. Would I spend my money and waste my time, And listen to lies in the wintertime? Would I do these things that no sane man should? Brother, you're damned well right I would.

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 11, 2001 at 06:18:22:

In Reply to: Re: New Arrival posted by Nimrod on January 10, 2001 at 14:17:24:

Another good way is to post on this board looking for a hunting camp or for someone who is into hunting what you are & knows the different areas. Welcome to Canada, aka: The Great White North & good luck in your hunting endeavours from the DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER!!!!!!

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 11, 2001 at 06:17:40:

In Reply to: Re: New Arrival posted by Nimrod on January 10, 2001 at 14:17:24:

Another good way is to post on this board looking for a hunting partner or camp, someone who is into hunting what you are & knows the different areas. Welcome to Canada, aka: The Great White North & good luck in your hunting endeavours from the DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER!!!!!!

Re: Wolves/legislation

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Posted by Fox on January 10, 2001 at 20:23:29:

In Reply to: Re: Wolves/legislation posted by Brad on January 10, 2001 at 19:45:22:

They need permission, all normal hunting laws have to be followed. No shooting from a road. Coyotes and Wolves down here have an all year open season. They are hunted for their pelts, dogs are usually used.

Re: Wolves/legislation

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Posted by Brad on January 10, 2001 at 19:45:22:

In Reply to: Wolves posted by Fox on January 10, 2001 at 15:48:47:

What are the laws partaining to running wolves and coyotes. there are people running all the lots around here including ours and I am sure they are shooting from the road way. The guy I talked to yesterday had a wolf in his truck and his dogs were running another wolf or coyote through our yard. doesn't he need permission first. I don't really care if they use our yard.?

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by Wisky on January 10, 2001 at 19:17:41:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits posted by Vince on January 03, 2000 at 16:13:47:

Where are there still Jacks around. My favorite haunts have been devoid of Jacks for 15 years.

I fondly remember tagging along with my Dad for Jacks as a youngster. Have a picture on the mantel the day he shot three and my brother and I carried them out. Not easy at 8 years of age!

Anyway, as I asked earlier, where are the Jacks!

Re: maybe three-tiered society

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Posted by Fischer on January 10, 2001 at 16:20:20:

In Reply to: two-tiered society posted by Kevin on January 07, 2000 at 14:41:18:

The Metis are going to court to fight rights similar to the natives. Though they've said that they are willing to "negotiate". There is a gov't appeal of the acquittal of a father and son who claim Metis status and shot a moose out of season, near the Sault.

So, AFA hunting and fishing, there will be the aboriginals, the Metis, and the rest of us.

Wolves

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Posted by Fox on January 10, 2001 at 15:48:47:

I heard of some Timber wolves seen in this area in the last few years. Have any of you seen them, I only see coyotes and half breed coydogs.

Re: Coyote kill

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 10, 2001 at 14:56:19:

In Reply to: Coyote kill posted by Fischer on January 05, 2000 at 13:52:04:

Yoties are a lot of fun to hunt but if the alfa is good, its sometimes best to leave them alone or the next alpha may take to something like killing sheep or other lives stock, they are exiting to watch if you can, just don't get too close or you might have a problem especially if what you are watching are wild dogs, they kill for the fun of it and are not afraid of people.

Re: Jacks

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Posted by Blackwolf on January 10, 2001 at 14:49:22:

In Reply to: Jacks posted by Fox on January 05, 2000 at 15:10:19:

Try going north a few more miles near teviotdale, for more details where to hunt, e-mail me, my address is in the name sent right click and go into properties.Lots of bunnies this way.

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by Nimrod on January 10, 2001 at 14:17:24:

In Reply to: Re: New Arrival posted by Bill on January 09, 2001 at 21:58:51:

Welcome!

Yes, "the Big Smoke" is a nickname for Toronto. So is "Hog Town" for that matter.

When it comes to hunting clubs, leases, etc., I would suggest that you monitor the classifieds section of the Ontario Out of Doors magazine (that is a publication that I would recommend that you become familiar with/subscribe to). It oftens has adds like that.

As for upland birds, moose and bowhunting whitetails, certainly the Conservation Areas that are listed in the Hunting Regulations (another publication that you should become familiar with) are a good place to start for birds and even deer. Moose are a differnt story. They are basically in northern Ontario, and while there is no shortage of Crown land up there, getting a tag for an adult moose (bull or cow, as opposed to a calf) can be tricky and requires a lottery application. Again, consult the Hunting Regs.

Re: plano gunslinger

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on January 10, 2001 at 08:33:31:

In Reply to: plano gunslinger posted by PETE on January 09, 2001 at 23:21:28:

I have one & obtained it from Walmart......check there & if not I do believe LeBarons had them as well but Walmart was a few $$$$ cheaper.....................

Re: Deer/ Bowhunting

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Posted by Glenn Black on January 10, 2001 at 03:05:35:

In Reply to: Deer/ Bowhunting posted by Big John on December 29, 2000 at 15:01:34:

Looking for deer hunters for 2001 hunt. Come see http://members.home.net/blacksbay. Drop me an email if you're interested in joining us. Glenn

Nov. 2000 Deer Hunt on Manitoulin Island

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Posted by Glenn Black on January 10, 2001 at 02:57:00:

Just wanted to let you know how the Nov. 2000 deer hunt went at Black's Bay, Manitoulin Island.

It was some what of a wild ride up once we got past Barrie. It was blowing & snowing and we could only do 60 km/hr (45 mph) due to poor visibility & road conditions.

We had snow and a cold winter storm blow through just before opening day, dropping an inch of snow. It seems it spooked the deer, half went for cover and stayed there, the other have seemed to head immediately for the winter deer yards over by Deans Bay; figuring big bad winter was upon them. Apparantly the rut was already over & done with this year when we got there. Each day after that we got fresh snow which was nice for tracking & seeing the number & location of deer. I was surprized at how few deer there were moving around. For saying the herd is at an all-time high, it was kind of a wierd year compared to past. Probably has to do with global warming, the ozone hole, and the undecided election in the US. How can the deer possibly focus on the hunt when so much is worrying them at that moment.

I got a nice doe (about 120 lbs dressed); 2 to 3 yrs old. Instead of giving her just 10 minutes to run, lay down & die, I gave her a full 20 minutes; it seemed like forever; but gave me a good opportunity to talk to George, tell him about it, and compare notes on the hunt. George was freezing to death standing up in Gary's stand.

The deer had taken off like a shot after she was hit and it took me 45 minutes on my hands & knees tracking her. She went through every cedar thicket, doubled back, and then ran along a deer trail. I had to check out 4 other tracks that could have been her, but weren't, and finally found the blood trail again. At one point I lost her for 20 minutes. Instead of walking, she appears to have leaped about 20 feet through the air as there was no tracks, no blood. I finally found her trail again by continuing to circle bigger and bigger from last sighting point. I was scared I had lost her.

She was trying to run parallel to Fire Hall Road about 40 feet into the woods on the deer trail when I caught up to her. With my 350 yard shot, I wasn't as accurate as I would have liked. I shot her mainly in the liver and a small part of one lung, but the bullet missed the ribs on both sides so there was no auxillary shrapnel, just the primary bullet path. She had bled out into the chest cavaity, but had covered a lot of territory. As she was going parallel to the road, the drag out of the woods wasn't that bad.

Camile got his 12 point buck on opening day, the same one he has been patiently keeping tabs on for the past 4 months. Camile was so excited about his trophy, he visited every camp up & down Firehall Road with his story. 4 out of the other 5 guys with Camile got a mixture of bucks & does.

Sandy didn't go hunting this year as he used the time to go down to Toronto to visit his Mom and do some Christmas shopping.

Frank go a nice 4 point buck on opening day, Gary got a nice big doe on Wednesday, and George was still looking on Thursday when I last spoke to him. I hope he was successful. With 5 guys out looking for one more deer, I'm sure somebody got it.

We had a good camp. Bud kept the stove so well stocked with wood burning 24/7 that we started to run low on wood. A quick chain saw solved that as we took down 3 dead standing trees and filled up the wood pile again. Each morning, we had hot oatmeal sausages, bacon, flapjacks, & eggs each morning when we got back from the morning hunt. Ham, chicken, noodles, salad, etc. filled us up each night.

After getting the bag limit filled, we concentrated on chores around the camp. We just about finished off the new wood shed. It's ready to be shingled on the roof in the spring to keep our fire wood perfectly dry and close at hand. A vast improvement over the old wood box we had.

On the way back home, there was a 5 car pile-up on Hwy. 69. As there is no other road at that point, traffic was blocked in both directions for 3.5 hours so we all got out & partied with the other stuck travellers and then got back into the cars to get warm again. Just before midnight, the road was re-opened and we slowly convoyed into Perry Sound and everybody devoured everything in sight at Tim Horton's and Country Style Donuts (the only stores open after midnight beside the gas stations). We decided to get off the highway and let the convoy of bumper to bumper traffic after the accident to go on without us. With the added delays and the extra stops for eye-opening coffee, we got in 5 hrs behind schedule.

Even though we were really late getting in, I had to get up early to take the deer in to the butcher. I asked the butcher to use the deer to make me some of his special smoked pepperettes, sausages, extra lean hamburger, and the rest as steaks & chops. The freezer will soon be full.

Hope you can join us next year.

Glenn

plano gunslinger

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Posted by PETE on January 09, 2001 at 23:21:28:

looking for a plano gunslinger plastic case as it fits the mount on my atv. If anyone has one for sale or knows where one may be purchased let me know

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by Bill on January 09, 2001 at 21:58:51:

In Reply to: Re: New Arrival posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 08, 2000 at 07:21:13:

I guess U could say I am a diehard Whitetail Bowhunter. However, I love all kinds of hunting. I would also like to hunt game that you can't find in New Jersey like moose and some of the upland.

Thanks,

Bill

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by Bill on January 09, 2001 at 21:54:52:

In Reply to: Re: New Arrival posted by Kern on January 09, 2001 at 08:18:01:

Kern,

Thanks for the information. I moved up from New Jersey (of all places). Yes, we do have hunting there. Considering it is the most densely populated state in the US...It also one of the most densly populated w/ Whitetail as well.

Is "the big smoke" another name for Toronto??? I guess that would make New Jersey the big Toxic.

Anyway,

Thanks Again

Bill

Re: Take it to a gun store

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Posted by whatever on January 09, 2001 at 19:05:30:

In Reply to: Re: Take it to a gun store posted by blackwolf on December 30, 2000 at 22:10:31:

bury it where? up your or someplace else hint mark the tree

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by whatever on January 09, 2001 at 19:01:06:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits posted by blackwolf on January 02, 2000 at 22:35:18:

learn to spell

Re: Barrel length?

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Posted by Horntrip on January 09, 2001 at 15:58:31:

In Reply to: Barrel length? posted by Screemin Reel on January 09, 2001 at 00:58:22:

According to my copy of the "Canadian Firearms Safety Course" handbook, the definition of barrel length is as follows: "The distance from the muzzle of the barrel to and including the chamber. This excludes accessories or barrel extensions such as flash suppressors or muzzle brakes. In the case of a revolver, the distance from the muzzle of the barrel to the breech end immediately in front of the cylinder." Hope this helps.

Re: Barrel length?

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Posted by braden on January 09, 2001 at 11:44:36:

In Reply to: Barrel length? posted by Screemin Reel on January 09, 2001 at 00:58:22:

18 and one half inches is the minimum barrel length for ANY unrestricted firearm. The only exceptions that i am aware of are for some trapper configurations of guns, and these have bbl length of usually around 16 inches, and these are factory guns. But you cannot modify a nonrestricted to have a barrel of less than 18.5 inches. As to where you measure from. you've got me. I am not quite sure. Ask a qualified gunsmith. You are probably not going to take a hack saw to a gun to shorten it, therefore you will probably use the services of a smith. He should know the length requirements. Keith Long in Cobourg is an excellent smith and his turnaround time is excellent. I don't have his number handy, but perhaps someone else will. There is precision arms down the street from me in King City, but I would hardly reccomend them. Steve is a grumpy bugger, and he has a 5 month waiting period to do work. He is a fine gunsmith though.

Braden

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by Kern on January 09, 2001 at 08:18:01:

In Reply to: New Arrival posted by Bill on January 07, 2000 at 21:55:00:

Hi Bill, Wecome to the big smoke. Where was it you moved here from?? If you have a copy of the ontario hunting regs and go to the maps section, you will see all the public areas that are available for hunting in southern ontario. You can also down load this pub at the MNR llink at the top of this page.

Some of these areas offer some desent shooting early in the season but because they are public, they tend to get busy.

Kern

Barrel length?

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Posted by Screemin Reel on January 09, 2001 at 00:58:22:

Can anyone tell me how to make a measurment for the barrel length of a semiauto rifle.According to the C.F.C site if the rifle is less than 660 mm or is 660 or greater and has a barrel less than 457mm it is prohibited and if the barrel is less than 470mm it is restricted.What would the minimum length of my barrel have to be in order to be classed as unrestricted.In inches please as my schooling in the 60s and 70s only taught imperial.Is the measurment taken from the front of the receiver opening to the muzzle or from the rear of the chamber where the cartridge is loaded?Also,the above rules only apply to a semiauto centrefire rifle.What about a .22 cooey single shot?It would be handy to have a shortened down .22 in your backpack while moose hunting and watching all those grouse running around.I know that this is a long question but the C.F.C sure is making it confusing are they not?Appreciate any help.Thanks ..Mike

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by HARVIE on January 08, 2001 at 17:57:40:

In Reply to: New Arrival posted by Bill on January 07, 2000 at 21:55:00:

I moved to Toronto 2 years ago and asked the same questions, without much luck. Now I am moving back to the Brockville area and will be spending all my free time hunting and fishing. Glad to leave the big smoke behind. Good luck.

test

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Posted by Andy on January 08, 2001 at 11:08:34:

test

Re: New Arrival

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Posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 08, 2000 at 07:21:13:

In Reply to: New Arrival posted by Bill on January 07, 2000 at 21:55:00:

What are your main hunting interests??????? That makes a big difference as to where someone recommends.........as you said, Ontario is a big place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New Arrival

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Posted by Bill on January 07, 2000 at 21:55:00:

I recently relocated to the GTA and I am looking for areas to get started to hunt in Ontario. I know, Ontario is a big place but I am willing to travel fairly far. Does anyone know of any hunting clubs in the vacinity that may be looking for members. I am also interested in Leasing property on my own or with someone...any interest. Finally, are there any decent public hunting lands in the are.

The fairly desparate....

Re: two-tiered society

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Posted by Kern on January 07, 2000 at 16:57:43:

In Reply to: two-tiered society posted by Kevin on January 07, 2000 at 14:41:18:

Im not surprised at all...as far as fishing and hunting goes, there has always been two sets of rules... one for Natives and one for the rest of us. Look whats happening in Meaford as we speak. Something to note though...Quebec has the worst reputation for recognising these so called native rights. Would be interesting to see how things turn out.

two-tiered society

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Posted by Kevin on January 07, 2000 at 14:41:18:

Quebec Mohawks Vow to Ignore the Firearms Act

Source: La Presse, sat. jan. 6, 2001, p. A3, Andr Duchesne Les Mohawks n'entendent pas appliquer la Loi sur les armes feu

Alwyn Morris stated that the Khanawake band council has decided not to put the Firearms Act into application.

Mike Mitchell, chief of the Akwesasne band council, stated his community wishes to implement its own regulations inn parallel to those of the Canadian government. The community wants to take the time necessary to find something acceptable to the community.

Talks are on-going with the Federal government and the Mohawks are awaiting written confirmation from the government. CFC's Chantal Breton confirms meetings did take place but only to inform the Mohawks about the Firearms Act.

In Khanawake, an unidentified PeaceKeeper stated not a single firearm had been surrendered.

Comment:

On the heel of the Nunavut decision to have nun-of-vit with the Firearms Act and Chief Strikes with a Gun's claim that a 6000-year tradition of hunting with firearms and snowmobiles means there should be two classes of citizens.

Alan Rock's legacy to Canada: a two-tiered society, with some citizens more equal than others, i.e. those exempt from the Firearms Act and those subject to it. Even worse than the massive cost overruns he hurriedly distanced himself from by running away to another ministry.

Re: small game with a Bow

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Posted by Fox on January 06, 2000 at 21:26:05:

In Reply to: small game with a Bow posted by Kern on January 06, 2000 at 19:49:19:

I use my crissbow crossbow. Judo points work well. I shot a grouse and snowshoe hare one sunday at my camp. Be sure to se sight your bow in for the new tips. Good luck.

small game with a Bow

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Posted by Kern on January 06, 2000 at 19:49:19:

Does anyone here hunt small game with their bow?? Im thinking rabbits is the only thing you can really hunt. The grouse Ive seen in my areas are airborne well before you would have a chance at a good shot with a bow.

Kern

Toronto Star

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Posted by Jack on January 06, 2000 at 19:48:02:

What has happened to the out door column that appeared in the Toronto star on Wednesdays and Saturdays?

Re: Antlers

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Posted by Rob S on January 05, 2000 at 17:15:26:

In Reply to: Re: Antlers posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 06:28:27:

my tree huggin neighbors cant phyically move thier head or eyes from a striaght ahead stare. thier more worried about missing a greenpeice demo lol.

Re: Jacks

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Posted by Nimrod on January 05, 2000 at 15:40:23:

In Reply to: Jacks posted by Fox on January 05, 2000 at 15:10:19:

They are called European Hare. Hunt like cottontails, but give them more lead (both distance in front of them and pellets at them!) when you shoot.

Jacks

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Posted by Fox on January 05, 2000 at 15:10:19:

What is the Jack rabbit situation near, Elora, Alma. How do you hunt them, just like cottontails? What do they fit under in the regulations? Any Snoeshoes hares in that area?

Just trying to get some info on a weekend hunt.

Thanks!

Coyote kill

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Posted by Fischer on January 05, 2000 at 13:52:04:

Was out rabbit hunting with a buddy last Friday and we headed for a friend's place near Puslinch.

There's a heavy cedar swamp about 40 yards from the house, so we headed down there and started kicking around some dead-falls hoping to find Bugs.

My buddy got a little farther into the bush ahead of me and called me over. He had found a spot where the snow was really torn up and there was some blood on the ground. We looked further and found a LOT of deer hair, and a little more blood. A little farther along I found a frozen ball of green mush about the size of a football. I can only surmise it was the stomach contents.

From the looks of it, a pack of coyotes got a deer. Don't know how big the deer was, but there was one heckuva tussle! However, I think the bigger tussle must have come after the kill, as the coyotes fought over the tasty bits.

That was all we found, some blood, the hair and the stomach contents. Probably was some bones further into the bush, but we didn't bother looking, as we weren't interested in coyotes. Besides, I think there are plenty of deer to go around.

Anyway, it was really something to see.

Re: purchasing a firearm

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Posted by Bob on January 05, 2000 at 09:30:05:

In Reply to: purchasing a firearm posted by hutchman on January 03, 2000 at 11:54:06:

Tacklebery has the proceedure right, but I agree with "dumb as redneck hunter" leave the registration till the "end time" This gov't has got to pay somehow for their trampling of our rights.

Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting

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Posted by Steve on January 05, 2000 at 08:32:09:

In Reply to: Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting posted by Fischer on January 02, 2000 at 18:12:48:

Don't forget to phone your MPPs office also and maybe contact the zone rep of the OFAH. We just keep getting blindsided from everywhere don't we?

Re: What is NAVHDA???????

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Posted by Fischer on January 04, 2000 at 17:56:54:

In Reply to: Re: What is NAVHDA??????? posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 09:36:41:

It's the North American VERSATILE Hunting Dog Association.

Unfortunately, Mike, your springer won't qualify. It's designed for pointer type dogs. Focuses on traditional uses for the dogs, fur and feather. Hunt upland game, ducks, rabbits, track deer, etc.

If you're interested, you can check out their website at http://www.navhda.org/

There is a chapter near Guelph. I just joined this year, so haven't personally had the benefit of training my pup with them, but have been out on a couple of training days. I'm looking forward to working with them in the spring.

Where is that you drive to work?

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Posted by Leon on January 04, 2000 at 09:41:28:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits posted by blackwolf on January 02, 2000 at 22:35:18:

Also, how you ppl hunt them? I don't have a dog and my attempts to hunt hares were largely unsuccesfull.

Leon

Re: What is NAVHDA???????

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Posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 09:36:41:

In Reply to: Re: What is NAVHDA??????? posted by Ken Flieger on January 04, 2000 at 09:26:30:

So it's a school for dogs?????? Hope the teachers don't b!tch & complain as the ones that teach kids do!!!!!! So exactly what do they do??? I have a Welsh Springer Spaniel that I might be interested in schooling?

Re: What is NAVHDA???????

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Posted by Ken Flieger on January 04, 2000 at 09:26:30:

In Reply to: What is NAVHDA??????? posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 06:25:15:

North American Vocational Hunting Dogs Association.

Re: Antlers

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Posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 06:28:27:

In Reply to: Re: Antlers posted by Rob S on January 03, 2000 at 19:55:40:

Do you ever get any other bucks trying to run you tv tower out of the area???? LOL What do your neighbours think???? All kidding aside, you're right, that method works great!!!!!!!!!

What is NAVHDA???????

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Posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 06:25:15:

In Reply to: Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting posted by Jack on January 03, 2000 at 16:26:27:

What is the NAVHDA??????????

Re: purchasing a firearm

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Posted by DUMB AS REDNECK HUNTER on January 04, 2000 at 06:23:04:

In Reply to: purchasing a firearm posted by hutchman on January 03, 2000 at 11:54:06:

You got it buddy.........all the seller needs is your PAL number & don't bother registering them until the very last second so we can swamp those A-holes & overload there system as i'm sure all the criminals are in the process of registering their Saturday Night Specials & sawed off shotguns as we speak!!!!!!!!!! SCREW THE GOVERNMENT, AFTERALL, THEY ARE SCREWING YOU & I!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Antlers

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Posted by Rob S on January 03, 2000 at 19:55:40:

In Reply to: Antlers posted by HARVIE on December 31, 2000 at 03:32:37:

the way I do it is easy no bs I hang them up on my tv tower all winter I guess the birds and bugs do the rest! Ive got antlers with the hide still on them after 30 years! my late father was told about some cockamamy mixture containing potassium permanginate. What a mistake!!! take my advise and hang em outside till spring it works.

Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting

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Posted by Fischer on January 03, 2000 at 18:36:21:

In Reply to: Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting posted by Jack on January 03, 2000 at 16:26:27:

Already joined, Jack. Looking forward to the spring.

Have started working her a bit right now, but mainly obedience. The snow is a mite deep for much else.

Re: purchasing a firearm

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Posted by Tackleberry on January 03, 2000 at 17:56:51:

In Reply to: purchasing a firearm posted by hutchman on January 03, 2000 at 11:54:06:

Well you are on the right first steps, HOWEVER !!! You will have to call the Canadian Firearms Centre to register the firearms. Easy way is have the gun there infront of you (measure the barrel ahead of time .. hint it includes the chamber to the muzzle) your PAL and the vendors info as well.

A week ago I posted here re: a fax I got about extendng the waiving of the transfer feesuntil June. (that's a $25 savings per gun) Funny thoght.... I didn't hear about this in the media.....

Enjoy them. Tack

Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting

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Posted by Jack on January 03, 2000 at 16:26:27:

In Reply to: Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting posted by Fischer on January 02, 2000 at 18:12:48:

Con grats on the new pup. If you are interested in training assistance contact us. We are with the NAVHDA.

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by Vince on January 03, 2000 at 16:13:47:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits posted by blackwolf on January 02, 2000 at 22:35:18:

I hunt Jack rabbits quite regularly and I have never seen or heard of a WHITE Jack rabbit. Difficult to hunt and quite an intelligent species, I've shot some as big as 12lbs. gross weight.

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by Nimrod on January 03, 2000 at 14:24:09:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbits posted by fratri on January 03, 2000 at 12:52:47:

Just a final word on this. The white ones are snowshoes (or varying hares), as has been said. The brown ones, if small, are cottontails, but jackrabbits are also brown/grey but are much bigger, bigger even than the snowshoes. They do not turn white in the winter.

Re: gun for moose hunting

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Posted by moose on January 03, 2000 at 13:30:24:

In Reply to: Re: gun for moose hunting posted by blackwolf on December 23, 2000 at 18:51:05:

if u are looking for a all around calibre and don't mind a bit of recoil personally i would recomend the 7mm remington magnum with the 165 grain federal premium. you will have a good combination there. i hunt moose in lot of open cuts, in 2000 i shot a 54" bull at 200yards according to my range finder with my 7mm/165gr,and dropped the animal it its tracks. as far as deer i use the same load because i feel confortable and practice with the same load,but you could step down to a 140 grain bullet using always a premium bullet.

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by fratri on January 03, 2000 at 12:52:47:

In Reply to: Rabbits posted by Kern on January 02, 2000 at 21:43:16:

The white rabbits are snow shoe rabbits(varying hare) they turn white in the winter and brown in the summer. The brown one's are cottontail rabbits. Both are good to eat. The snowshoes (white rabbits) taste a little funny at this time of year because they eat a lot of pine needles, but that doesn't stop me from eating them I like the taste.

purchasing a firearm

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Posted by hutchman on January 03, 2000 at 11:54:06:

A guy at work is trying to get rid of a couple of guns, he's not a hunter and these guns were his grandfathers. He wants to either give them to the cops or sell them to someone. I am a PAC card holder and I want the guns. What do we have to do or sign for me to purchase these guns off him? The reason for the question is that I've never purchased a gun before and I don't know the procedure. Is it like buying anything? Just a bill of sale with my card number on it????? Pls let me know.

Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting

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Posted by Screemin Reel on January 02, 2000 at 23:43:45:

In Reply to: Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting posted by Fischer on January 02, 2000 at 18:12:48:

Thanks Fischer.It,s good to know that I am not alone in my concerns.I urge other hunters out there to call the number Fischer has listed.There is Strength In Numbers!...Mike

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by blackwolf on January 02, 2000 at 22:35:18:

In Reply to: Rabbits posted by Kern on January 02, 2000 at 21:43:16:

Ah Bunnies!!, white ones are called pets, brown ones are targets, according to my better half.Lots of Jacks around here, I beleive the Jack Rabbit turns white and about twice the size of cotton tails which are an introduced species.Somtimes I think I like bunny hunting more than deer hunting its sort of a forgotten aspect of hunting thats just as important to the environment as deer are. There seem to be an over abundance this year we started out with four cute little bunnies living by the chicken coop,now theres almost thirty of them!I am not going to tell you guys that everyday around here there's at least two or three killed on the road on my way to work.There all good eating except the road kills of course.I like to stew them and serve them in bunnykins bowls,just my sick scence of humour.

Re: Rabbits

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Posted by wayne on January 02, 2000 at 22:25:45:

In Reply to: Rabbits posted by Kern on January 02, 2000 at 21:43:16:

The white ones are probably snowshoe rabbits,the others cottentails

Rabbits

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Posted by Kern on January 02, 2000 at 21:43:16:

Been seeing a few rabbits when I go out lately. Some are as white as the snow, some are brown. Im guessing one is a hare and one is a cottontail. Do they all taste the same?? anyone have a fav?? Which is which???

Thanks

Re: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ...

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Posted by Fischer on January 02, 2000 at 18:16:00:

In Reply to: Re: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ... posted by George on January 01, 2000 at 20:30:06:

Hasn't Saskatchewan got an NDP gov't? If the lefties don't like it, and the right wing parties don't like it, then how can the Liberals justify it!

I heard New Zealand finally turfed their long gun registry because it was garbage. Interestingly, it was a panel of left wingers that recommended it getting tossed!

Re: G.R.C.A anti hunting

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Posted by Fischer on January 02, 2000 at 18:12:48:

In Reply to: G.R.C.A anti hunting posted by Screemin Reel on January 02, 2000 at 10:13:15:

I hear ya, Mike! I called the GRCA today about the same problem.

Boxing day I took my wife's dog and my new pup out to the Dryden Crown Land area in North Dumfries. I wanted to just wander around and let my new Brittany get interested, and if I got lucky, maybe get a rabbit.

I was walking to the back of the property with my shotgun unloaded when I came upon a man and woman x-country skiing. The woman said "Oh, are they allowing hunting in parts of this, now?"

I told her that as far as I knew, they allowed hunting in all of it. Her husband then informed me that the GRCA had posted the property at the beginning of December!!

I went home and made a phone call to the GRCA the next day. I expressed my outrage, but unfortunately, didn't get an opportunity to speak to anyone in charge. The answer I got was that it is an agreement forest, and the MNR just transferred control of it to the GRCA. GRCA policy is that you can't hunt on any of their properties except those that they patrol (Luther Marsh and Conestoga Lake and, of course, you have to pay to go there, not to mention that they limit hunting days).

I spoke today to Jack Griffin, the area supervisor at GRCA. He told me that he has received a couple of calls about this (yours was probably one of them), and that it's going to be brought up at an administrator's meeting. He promised to keep me up to date with what's going on. However, just in case anyone else feels like putting their two-cents worth in, his number is 519-621-2761, ext. 254. ;)

I told him that this was one of the last public tracts of land within an hour of my home that I can hunt for free! Even to go to Wilmot Township, five minutes from my house, I have to buy a township licence!

I also told him that the sign at the Crown Land says you should "respect other users". However, according to GRCA policy, hunters don't get any respect at all!

It's time we started standing up for ourselves!!

Decoys

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Posted by brent on January 02, 2000 at 13:14:57:

Does anybody know of anyone that carves cork gunning decoys here in Ontario??

Also, I am looking for Herter's or similar, any species, used.

Thanks, Brent

G.R.C.A anti hunting

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Posted by Screemin Reel on January 02, 2000 at 10:13:15:

Yesterday I went out for a new years rabbit hunt out to the MNR forest on Mclean road in South Dumfries township.What a surprise I got!It is now posted as GRCA land and NO hunting is allowed.This is the second tract of public forest to be gobbled up by the GRCA in two years the other one being the Pusclinch tract along the 401.I guess The Grand River Conservation Authority does not agree that hunting is a part of conservation.According to the Ontario government they are committed to preserving our hunting heritage.To me turn over public land to regional control is not hunter friendly.I sure plan on e-mailing MNR to get some explanation for this.I am interested if anyone has a similar problem in there area of Ontario....Mike

Old Ducks

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Posted by Kevin on January 01, 2000 at 22:28:29:

A man took his old duck to the Doctor, concerned because the duck wouldn't eat. The Doctor explained to the man that as ducks age their upper bills grow down over their lower bills and make it difficult for the animal to pick up it's food.
"What you need to do is gently file the upper bill down even with the lower bill. But you must be extra careful because the duck's nostrils are located in the upper bill and if you file down too far, when the duck takes a drink of water it'll drown."
The man goes about his business and about a week later the Doctor runs into his patient.
"Well, how is that duck of yours?" the Doctor inquires.
"He's dead." declared the heartbroken man.
"I told you not to file his upper bill down too far! He took a drink of water and drowned didn't he?"insisted the Doctor.
"No." lamented the man. "I think he was dead before I took him out of the vise."

Re: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ...

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Posted by George on January 01, 2000 at 20:30:06:

In Reply to: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ... posted by NON COMPLIANT on December 31, 2000 at 17:42:13:

I heard on the news today that the Premier of Saskatchewan declared that his province will not enforce the law - until its been changed and becomes workable. Hurray for Roy. Now where are the other Premiers.

Re: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ...

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Posted by scopion crssbow for sale on January 01, 2000 at 15:29:05:

In Reply to: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ... posted by NON COMPLIANT on December 31, 2000 at 17:42:13:

scopion crossbow arrows and case for sale $150 or best offer.

Re: Antlers

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Posted by roho on January 01, 2000 at 11:27:27:

In Reply to: Antlers posted by HARVIE on December 31, 2000 at 03:32:37:

I assume your talking about an antler only mount,not a full head mount.if so e mail me its easy to do yourself

Re: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ...

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Posted by Kern on December 31, 2000 at 18:58:40:

In Reply to: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ... posted by NON COMPLIANT on December 31, 2000 at 17:42:13:

Non Compliant, I noticed you didnt post an email address. After all you dont want anyone to know who you are, especially after confessing to breaking the law and you never can tell who is reading all this stuff...but just a friendly tip from one forum member to another....your IP address is posted with the time that you posted. If big brother is reading this board, all he has to do is call Bell Canada, which looks like your service provider in Ottawa, with a warrent, the IP address and the time the IP was in use and bingo...they have an account with a name and a home address....how anonymous do you feel now???

Not sure if you watch the news or read the papers, but some chap named Mafia Boy thought anonymity was as simple as not posting an email address when he ran around bragging about his cyber exploits!! They had him in a few days.

Kern

PS you'll have to excuse everyone if they all dont jump to answer your post.

Re: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ...

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Posted by Braden on December 31, 2000 at 18:45:14:

In Reply to: HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ... posted by NON COMPLIANT on December 31, 2000 at 17:42:13:

Glad to here that Jason last name left out for obvious reasons. Careful what you advertise. People can find out a lot of things in an awful big hurry. P.S, starts with a W.

303british.com - Jan 2001 Update

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on December 31, 2000 at 18:44:14:

I've updated the page once again. It's shorter and easier to read. I wasn't able to upload the 2 articles for the month but I'll do so within the next few days. Happy New Year!

How to Buy a Milsurp Saving a Burnt out Jungle Carbine

Please drop by and check it out. If you have any suggestions, comments etc please email!

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: Crossbow

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Posted by Mike on December 31, 2000 at 17:55:29:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbow posted by Kern on December 31, 2000 at 16:53:20:

Drop Zone............

HOW MANY OF YOU DID NOT ...

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Posted by NON COMPLIANT on December 31, 2000 at 17:42:13:

APLY FOR A FAL OR A POL AND BE HONEST I DID NOT

Re: Crossbow

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Posted by Kern on December 31, 2000 at 16:53:20:

In Reply to: Crossbow posted by Mike on December 31, 2000 at 10:06:56:

Good show Mike...Did you get the Drop Zone or a Red Dot???

Crossbow

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Posted by Mike on December 31, 2000 at 10:06:56:

Well I did it!!!!!!!! Went out yesterday & ordered my new Excalibur Exocet complete with scope from Brampton Archery.......should have it by next weekend & then look out deer!!!!!!! To everybody out there in cyber land here's wishing you a Happy & Prosperous New Year.......thanks everyone for their advice on my recent purchase.......Mike

Antlers

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Posted by HARVIE on December 31, 2000 at 03:32:37:

Got the antlers from my deer. Just wondering what to do with them as the taxidermy shops are closed until Tuesday. The hide is still on them. Do I have to keep them cold and does anyone know how to preserve them yourself. Maybe someone could suggest a web site that shows me how to mount them myself. Thanks

Re: Rabbit report

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Posted by blackwolf on December 30, 2000 at 22:28:52:

In Reply to: Rabbit report posted by Fischer on December 24, 2000 at 10:37:48:

Lots of bunnies over here by Mt. Forest,though the snows deep, we still see a lot, still got a few.Though most of them were big Jacks, we got a couple cotton tails.Looks like the hunting season is still on, at least till the bunnies are over, then we'll go after fox!

Re: On the water?

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Posted by blackwolf on December 30, 2000 at 22:21:37:

In Reply to: On the water? posted by Braden on December 27, 2000 at 18:00:44:

Yeah I know we all do it, but personally I prefer to shot them out of the air,usually let my dog get them.And if I shot them on the water, I'd be shooting my dog.Ummmmmmm, if you guys remember, he was the !@#$%^& Lab at the beginning of the season.I figured out his hunting manners alright, now he spends his days tormenting my wife around the house. I'm sure she feels somedays like shooting the dog on the water not the ducks!Just her opinion of course!!!!

Re: Take it to a gun store

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Posted by blackwolf on December 30, 2000 at 22:10:31:

In Reply to: Re: Take it to a gun store posted by Nimrod on December 29, 2000 at 09:19:56:

I wouldn't take it to a gun store either! The stores are being seiged by people wanting to get rid of unwanted firearms, the result is a lot of disappointed owners who thought that their firearms were worth somthing, and finding out that their heritage is almost worthless. Remember the $25 registration fee that the stores must pay out. The best solution I beleive is Red Necks solution, bury it for you grand children!!!

Re: gun for moose hunting

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Posted by Rick Teal on December 30, 2000 at 21:27:24:

In Reply to: gun for moose hunting posted by greenhorn on December 23, 2000 at 14:58:17:

For hunting in Ontario, a fast action is a definite asset. I currently use a Browning Lever Action (BLR) in .358 Winchester, with a Remington 760 carbine (pump) in 30-06 as a backup.

For years, I've been recommending the BLR or Remington 7600 (the current version of the 760) in .308 as the ideal rifle for hunting big game in Ontario. Both of these rifles are also available in several different middle calibres that are suitable for moose.

Generally magnums are unnecessary for moose at the ranges we shoot in this province.

The 45-70 would be OK in most circumstances, but I prefer to hedge my bet with a calibre that will be effective a little farther out, and with a greater variety of bullets (45-70's only shoot flat nosed bullets in lever guns).

Re: Deer/ Bowhunting

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Posted by Rick Teal on December 30, 2000 at 20:56:47:

In Reply to: Deer/ Bowhunting posted by Big John on December 29, 2000 at 15:01:34:

Big John:

I live in Manotick, and have done some bowhunting in the Marlborough forest. I've heard there are a lot of deer in that area, but I haven't found them yet.

The big populations of deer seem to be in the Kanata area, but most of that area is closed to hunting because of the tree huggers.

I lost my bow-hunting buddy two years ago, and have been missing the kick-in-the-butt I need to get out in the late season. I spend the early season moose and deer hunting with a rifle, so I'm usually not able to get out until mid-november.

If you can't connect with anyone more reliable, drop me an e-mail, and we can talk.

Rick

Re: On the water?

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Posted by Kern on December 29, 2000 at 22:36:32:

In Reply to: On the water? posted by Braden on December 27, 2000 at 18:00:44:

I think the number of crips you get is more related to the distance of the shot not where you shoot them. By making sure they are within the range of the load that you are using, you shouldnt have any crips be it on the water or not. Ive shot them in the air and on the water and yes the air is by far a better shot and my prefered shot. I too like to see them fold up and tumble out of the sky. As far as crips go, I know Ive had more crips in the air then on the water!! Im sure this is because I cant guess the distance to the bottom of a feed bag tied to my face!! BTW my definition of a crip includes any bird that still looks up at you when you go to get him! Not just the ones that are able to run or swim away.

Re: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade

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Posted by randy on December 29, 2000 at 21:16:32:

In Reply to: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade posted by jason whyte on December 08, 2000 at 18:58:14:

I have a pidgeon grade 101 trap.It has 30" barrels ,it is pro ported with choke tubes for upr barrel. It also has a lengthened forcing cone and edwards recoil reducer installed.If you are interested e- mail me at scooplee at sympatico.ca

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Kern on December 29, 2000 at 15:21:10:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Steve on December 29, 2000 at 14:17:12:

Hi Steve, Just wondering if you have had any bad experiences with mechanical heads?? This was my first year with the bow and the only reason I went with mechanical was that it sounds like it is easier to setup. I have heard & read that even after tuning the bolt, your bow may not like the head?? Mechanicals are suppose to fly like feild points and require no tuning.

The only thing I dont like about the ones I chose, 100 Gr. Wasp Jak Hammers, is that they are almost twice the cost of fixed blades!!

Kern

Deer/ Bowhunting

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Posted by Big John on December 29, 2000 at 15:01:34:

Long time no bowhunt-kids/family etc-now retired -looking toward fall 2001 for some deer bowhunting with crossbow{not yet purchased} Would sure like to meet other bowhunter in the North Gower/Kars area near Ottawa or anyone knowing of a piece of land to lease-heard the local deer pop. is going through the roof-years ago hunted to Guelph area-Southern On. the hunting was unreal.This area west of Ottawa now appears to becoming overpopulated with big whitetails-tried calling local MNR c/o for reports on deer damage to crops etc but he never got back to me-maybe he dosn't like the bow? I am one person who would make a good partner/bowhunter before family etc lived and breathed bow deer hunting. hope someone can help. thanks.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Kern on December 29, 2000 at 14:28:42:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Mike on December 29, 2000 at 06:44:46:

This time of year, praticing indoors is a bonus. The only indoor ranges Im aware of is the one at Gagnons and the the one at Saugeen Shafts in Peterborough. The range in peterborough is nice. Gagnons is ok to set up the sights but your limited to 30 yrd shots and the lighting isnt as good as it could be. When the weather is nice, I just drive into a local feild and set up my foam target. You may beable to get some range time thrown in with the bow if you ask!!

Good luck and congrats on the new toy.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Steve on December 29, 2000 at 14:17:12:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Mike on December 29, 2000 at 06:50:03:

Both places are fairly reputable from what I've heard. Please remember that even a high powered crossbow is still a short range weapon. I've shot a compound for years and I don't want to start the Great Bow Debate but a good rule of thumb is still 30 yards and under. Sure, they're fast but because they shoot a short, light bolt, the energy and velocity fall off faster as well. Choose a good, strong broadhead and stay away from the ones that open up under impact. I've never had any complaints with the 125 grain Thunderhead or 130 grain Rocky Mountain. Both good, strong heads. Go for broadside or quartering away shots only. Never take a frontal shot. Enjoy the long season and good hunting.

Re: DO NOT JUST TAKE IT TO THE COPS!

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Posted by Steve on December 29, 2000 at 14:12:01:

In Reply to: DO NOT JUST TAKE IT TO THE COPS! posted by Fischer on December 28, 2000 at 18:24:19:

Don't forget that a few years ago, several Metro cops and clerks were charged with selling firearms out the back door that were slated to be destroyed. This had been going on for several years.

Re: Take it to a gun store

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Posted by Nimrod on December 29, 2000 at 09:19:56:

In Reply to: Take it to a gun store posted by Kevin on December 29, 2000 at 07:55:04:

I wouldn't do that normally either, but I just didn't think anyone would want it. I also heard about the $50 Toronto buyout and thought that might be a bonus. I don't think it's related to the amnesty that ended months ago, as I saw a Councillor on TV a while back pushing the $50 idea. What is the procedure for selling a gun privately? Simply recording all FAC information?

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Nimrod on December 29, 2000 at 09:14:17:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Nimrod on December 29, 2000 at 09:12:54:

Sorry, that's J&S Sports. Good prices and good service.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Nimrod on December 29, 2000 at 09:12:54:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Mike on December 29, 2000 at 06:50:03:

I am somewhat familiar with both, especially the Bow Shop. Both are very knowledgeable. The prices at the Bow Shop are high, I can't say about Brampton. The only time I have seen the Bow Shop with good prices as at the Hunting Show in September. If you speak with Excalibur, they will encourage you to buy from the Bow Shop, for some reason, or at least they did when I bought my bow. I shopped around and ended up buying from a place called J&B Sports in Southampton. It is clearly farther away, but it is a nice drive, and I was glad I did.

Take it to a gun store

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Posted by Kevin on December 29, 2000 at 07:55:04:

In Reply to: Turning in firearms posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 12:45:49:

My first two choices would be to give it to one of the guys here that want it or take it to a gun store, I would never turn a gun into the police to be destroyed.

Re: GOOD POINT

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Posted by Jack on December 29, 2000 at 07:12:05:

In Reply to: DO NOT JUST TAKE IT TO THE COPS! posted by Fischer on December 28, 2000 at 18:24:19:

Your comment on not taking it to the cops to be included in the goverment stats is great. It is strange how they can misconstru numbers to make programs look effective when in fact they are not.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Mike on December 29, 2000 at 06:50:03:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 09:55:12:

Thanks for the info & i've seen the Excalibur video......as I said to Kern, i'm not planning on hunting this yea & yes i'm a novice crossbow hunter but do realize that i'm not going to get the bow on Sat. morning & be out hunting at noon. As a long time gun hunter I realize that just like a gun, the bow will definitely need some fine tuning & practice before I hit the field.........i've been talking to Brampton Archery in Brampton & The Bow Shop in Waterloo. Are you familiar with either of these places & what are your opinions, good or not so good...........thanks in advance........Mike

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Mike on December 29, 2000 at 06:44:46:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Kern on December 28, 2000 at 11:03:56:

Well I really don't plan on doing any hunting with it this year.........hopefully, i'll be getting it on the weekend and by next year, LOOK OUT DEER!!!!! Thanks for the advice & any ideas where you can practice in the Brampton area??? Thanks again...........Mike

Re: Turning in firearms

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Posted by Mike on December 29, 2000 at 06:40:56:

In Reply to: Turning in firearms posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 12:45:49:

I have a valid PAL & will come & get it from you...........email me with your address..........Mike

I'll take it off your hands!

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Posted by Braden on December 28, 2000 at 21:53:46:

In Reply to: Turning in firearms posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 12:45:49:

No need to turn it in to the gun nazis. Might as well be in the hands of a fellow shooting enthusiast. Have valid FAC. And I'll pick it up. Drop me an e-mail if you like. Regards,

Braden

Re: Rabbit report

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Posted by artman on December 28, 2000 at 21:53:06:

In Reply to: Rabbit report posted by Fischer on December 24, 2000 at 10:37:48:

Went out on boxing day and had the same problem, too much snow. The snow was up to knees in the good areas and up to waist in others. Went out in East Luther, saw lots of tracks but only saw one rabbit and the dog was too close to get a safe shot. Heard two partridge but they were long gone by the time that we got any where close. The poor dog was exhausted after about 2 hrs., thought the poor bugger was going to have a heart attack on us. Looks like we might have to wait till next fall to hunt the bunnies again.

DO NOT JUST TAKE IT TO THE COPS!

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Posted by Fischer on December 28, 2000 at 18:24:19:

In Reply to: Turning in firearms posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 12:45:49:

Call ahead first and let them know you will be bringing it in. They do not want people just walking in the front door with a gun. They will give you instructions on where to bring it.

The gun amnesty in Toronto was over months ago.

OTOH, cutting it up into little pieces works fine, too. That way, it doesn't make it into the gov'ts nasty little stats about how well gun control works...

Re: 45-70

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Posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 14:05:23:

In Reply to: Re: 45-70 posted by Bob on December 26, 2000 at 06:57:13:

A few points:

First of all, if I were getting a .45/70 lever action, I would definitely go with the Marlin Guide Gun (in fact, I want one of those for bear hunting!). Second, a company called, I believe, Buffalo "something"(?) makes higher power .45/70 loads. Third, if you go with a gun like the Ruger No. 1, you can use spitzer-type bullets, which should give you much better trajectory.

Re: Turning in firearms

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Posted by Brent on December 28, 2000 at 13:39:36:

In Reply to: Turning in firearms posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 12:45:49:

Just take it to the local police station. They may want your name for records purposes. Take it in a case though, so you don't get a bunch of .40 cals pointed at you!!!

Remember, guns don't have to be registered until 2003 though.

I also heard that the City of Toronto was giving $50 a piece for unwanted guns. Not sure if this is true or not though.

I guess the other thing is that you could cut it into 4-5 pieces with a hack saw and throw it out with the garbage. Not sure if I would want to do this though, but a thought if you want to stay anonymous. I assume the gun is not under a FAC #.

Brent

Turning in firearms

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Posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 12:45:49:

I have an old rusty (but works, as far as I know) Cooey .22 single shot that I found in a closet. I have never used it, and I don't think I want to bother with it vis a vis registration, etc. I think I will just turn it in. Does anyone have any good information on how to go about doing this. I have a valid FAC, but I think I should just get rid of it before it becomes a hassle. Any way to do this on a "no names" basis?

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Kern on December 28, 2000 at 11:03:56:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Mike on December 28, 2000 at 07:09:09:

Good luck Mike. Only a couple days left and your bow is still in the box in the store!! Im not saying it cant be done but you will have to get the lead out if you want to get out there. I recommend you get a rope cocking aid to ensure you cock the thing straight. Mechanical heads will also save you the time in tuning you bolts. I use Wasp Jak Hammer in 100 gr. on 2117 bolts. The video you have will recommend 2219 but excalibur now recommends 2117's. The 17's are a little lighter. What ever combo you choose for hunting, make sure you get the same weights in the target arrows that your gonna get. You should beable to set the sights up in an hour or two on the range then you will be all set.

Good luck.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Nimrod on December 28, 2000 at 09:55:12:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Mike on December 28, 2000 at 07:09:09:

Obviously I have no idea where you live, but there are some areas that are open to bowhunting until December 31. Consult the Regulations. Having said that, since this is the 28th and it sounds like you don't have your new bow yet, I think you might be better off waiting until next year. I say this because it really isn't quite as simple as going from the store to the field (I assume that your are a first time crossbow hunter). Obviously you need to also buy a bunch of accessories, such as bolts, broadheads, quiver, case and possibly a scope. Especially if you get a scope (or if the bow is not "set up" at all at the shop with open sights), you will need to get a target and do some shooting and sighting in to familiarze yourself with the bow and how it shoots. I will also give you a tip: the bow must be cocked the same each time, centred, meaning that you have exactly the same length of bow string on each side of the string lock. If you don't and the bow is cocked off centre, the bolts with not fly straight. So once you have the bow properly cocked, put some liquid paper on each side of the serving, right where the serving disappears from view. That way, even in the dark, you will be able to see that the bow is cocked properly each time. Good luck.

P.S. Get a copy of the video from Excalibur and watch that first.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Mike on December 28, 2000 at 07:09:09:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by bowhunter on December 27, 2000 at 07:52:30:

I'm getting a new Exocet for Xmas (kids & wife pooled the money together & i have to go buy it) & was wondering where you can still bow hunt at this time of year........call me stupid, but I thought everything closed on the 15th of Dec............looking forward to my first arrowed deer...............Mike

Hey, there are still some Brits on our side!

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Posted by Bob on December 28, 2000 at 06:41:10:

This man wasn't mad about guns - he was just mad By Toby Harnden

A HAND-WRINGING Boston Globe editorial lamented the "nightmare that stalks the nation" and "bright river of blood" bursting forth because the country "refuses to pass stringent controls on firearms".

Just as with the Columbine school massacre and the Michigan six-year-old who shot a classmate, the tragedy in Wakefield has already ushered in calls for "common sense gun control" and more laws to limit the Second Amendment right of Americans to own weapons.

Expect an appearance from President Bill Clinton, his bottom lip trembling as he feels the nation's pain, in which he all but blames the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association for McDermott's actions. While such performances no doubt help liberal consciences, they can all too easily act as a substitute for thought - the terrible events in Wakefield on Boxing Day could well be used to illustrate the argument against further gun control.

Massachusetts, the most safely Democratic state of the 50 in the Union, is something close to gun control heaven. An FBI instant background check has to be carried out on anyone buying a gun and there is a seven-day waiting period for handguns. There are strict licensing requirements with mandatory jail sentences for breaking them and no one under 21 can buy a gun. McDermott, it seems, had no licence for any gun.

He also used an AK47 the world's favourite terrorist weapon and the subject of a federal ban since 1994. Curiously, one Democratic aide in Boston used these facts to reach the conclusion: "Massachusetts has some of the nation's toughest gun laws but this demonstrates that even those laws can be improved."

OK, let's follow the logic here. A wacko ignores every gun law on the books and blows away his workmates. But if there had been even tougher laws, then he would have meekly laid down his AK47 and spoken to the human resources manager instead.

Mr Clinton used a similar logic himself when hammering Republicans over the death of Kayla Rolland, the Michigan six-year-old. If only Congress had passed a mandatory trigger-lock law, then little Kayla would be alive today, he said. But the unpalatable truth is that if the weapon that killed Kayla had been the last gun in America it would not have had a trigger-lock. The boy who killed her lived in a crack house. His father was in prison and his mother an addict. The gun was stolen. All the gun laws in the world would not have saved Kayla.

While the Michigan shooting and the Wakefield massacre prompt worldwide headlines, much of the hysteria about violence in America is the result of carefully twisted statistics. Democrats are fond of stating that 13 children die every day from gun violence. But about 70 per cent of those "children" are aged between 17 and 19, the vast majority of them killed in gang-related murders.

Another favourite is that American children - it was Mr Clinton who taught Tony Blair that the justification "it's for the children" is the best substitute of all for reason - are more likely to die from gunfire than the combined total of juveniles in the next 25 industrialised nations. These nations, however, include Hong Kong (ask Chris Patten but it wasn't a nation the last time I checked) and Kuwait but not Russia or Brazil - countries that have largely banned guns but have murder rates four times higher than in the United States.

That is not to say that America does not have a problem with gun violence or that politicians and police officers should not be doing all they can to tackle it. But this is difficult to do without defining the problem's scale and nature.

Gun ownership in America is both enshrined in the constitution and one of its citizens' most cherished rights of freedom. Al Gore found this out to his cost in the election when his gun control rhetoric was one of the factors that cost him the presidency. George W Bush, in contrast, emphasised enforcing existing gun laws - an approach that seems sensible enough in the light of Wakefield.

Moreover, America is already awash with guns and preventing the law-abiding from having access to a means of self-defence would be little more than positive discrimination for the criminal. If there is any answer to why Mike McDermott finally decided "enough already" on Boxing Day, it lies in the dark recesses of his mind rather than any draft legislation.

However, as Bob Geldof concluded in his 1979 song I Don't Like Mondays - about Brenda Spencer, the San Diego schoolgirl who opened fire on her teachers and schoolmates - even the search for psychological explanations can be fruitless. "He can see no reasons 'cos there are no reasons," Bob Geldof sang of Spencer's father.

More than 20 years on, the reasons why the "silicon chip inside a head gets switched to overload" are as elusive as ever. Perhaps evil is just evil, no more and no less.

Re: On the water?

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Posted by Brent on December 28, 2000 at 05:06:56:

In Reply to: On the water? posted by Braden on December 27, 2000 at 18:00:44:

Braden:

I don't shoot birds on the water, unless of course they are cripple. I do recall doing it a couple of times when I was younger though. To me, taking them on the wing is all part of the challenge. Also, I believe someone who regularly takes ducks on the water is a meat hunter and if you are a meat hunter, duck hunting is the wrong sport as far as I am concerned. But to each their own!!! As far as shooting steel, I have a good patterning gun/choke/shell combination and can consistently kill birds out to 40 yards. I usually don't shoot past 35 though, and hunting from a layout boat mainly, we get a lot of really tight shooting. I also do a lot of shooting off season as well.

Brent

On the water?

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Posted by Braden on December 27, 2000 at 18:00:44:

Anyone take ducks on the water?? I won't do it anymore. Seen to many ducks swim off crippled and not killed with steel shot when folks blast em on the water. Never mind the fact that I like seeing em drop, I think that with steel shot one must take em at 25 yards in the dekes to get a consistent kill. This question has been posted on a couple of U.S forums that I visit, and I was wondering what my fellow Canucks do. Now feel free to admit it, as I think it is something that we have all done at one time or another, I just refuse to shoot at an uncrippled duck on the water any longer. Looking forward to your replies.

Braden

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by bowhunter on December 27, 2000 at 07:52:30:

In Reply to: A Christmas Buck posted by HARVIE on December 25, 2000 at 23:41:20:

Sounds like a great Christmas present. I haven't been out in a few days. I've managed a buck and a doe this year. I have two friends with brand new Exomags. They haven't hunted with them yet. Both of them still have unfilled tags. Hopefully we'll fill at least one of them. I think maybe we should have gone this morning, though. The forecast for tomorrow is much colder.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by HARVIE on December 26, 2000 at 10:43:30:

In Reply to: Re: A Christmas Buck posted by Huntsman on December 26, 2000 at 09:24:31:

No, but it is the biggest I have shot. He has got a 16 inch inside spread and real long brow tines.

Re: A Christmas Buck

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Posted by Huntsman on December 26, 2000 at 09:24:31:

In Reply to: A Christmas Buck posted by HARVIE on December 25, 2000 at 23:41:20:

Congratulation Harvie. Good for you. Are you getting him scored?

Re: 45-70

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Posted by Bob on December 26, 2000 at 06:57:13:

In Reply to: Re: 45-70 posted by Bob on December 24, 2000 at 12:01:18:

Thought I'd best come back and clear up a couple of ealier statements. Pressure levels are very low at 28000 whatevers. The 45-70 is capable of killing well beyond 150 yds. Even in factory form, but it's trajectory is so high that you need to hold high at that range, making hits difficult. Handloaded, in a strong gun (going to 40000 whatevers) like the 1886 Winchester, or the Marlin guide gun, It can aproach the 458Winchester Magnum in power. In a very strong gun like the Ruger single shot, or the Winchester high wall, It will dam* near equall the big magnum. Trajectory is much flatter, and you will have to try it on paper to believe the difference. At max loads, I would have to change my front sight (set for factory loads), It shoots way high. I suspect that you will tire quickly of the beating you will take at that power level, and back off. My old gun, has a Douglas Premium barrel, it will shoot into an inch at 100 yds with Factory, and with mid power handloads.

A Christmas Buck

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Posted by HARVIE on December 25, 2000 at 23:41:20:

Dec. 23 prooved to be quite a day. I was down at my parents for the holidays, and my wife was kind enough to let me out bowhunting rather than visit. At 4:30 pm a nice 7 pointer walked out and I managed a double lung shot at 15 yards. After a tough year and screwing up on two others things finally came together.

Re: 45-70

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Posted by Bob on December 24, 2000 at 12:01:18:

In Reply to: Re: gun for moose hunting posted by blackwolf on December 23, 2000 at 18:51:05:

I have a 45-70 in an 1886 winchester. Fine strong action gun. The 45-70 is not available in the model 94 (weaker)action.

Very accurate too. If you handload, you can take any animal on the continent. Factory loads are held to black powder equivilent power. Still capable of taking moose, but keep in under 150 yds.

The 45-70 is not a flat shooting magnum, and it does kick, at both ends.

If you are looking for a gun capable of taking moose at 300 yds, go with the 338Winchester magnum and 250 grain bullets.

Rabbit report

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Posted by Fischer on December 24, 2000 at 10:37:48:

Went to Hullett Marsh yesterday. The snow was DEEP! Even with snowshoes on, at times it was up to my thighs! Real light, fluffy stuff. Without snowshoes, we'd have been done.

Anyway, things didn't seem too promising, but we started to really hammer away at the the large spruce trees and managed to get a few bunnies moving (no dogs, though I think the dogs would have had as much trouble as us getting through the snow). Also worked a couple of cedar rail fences that were overgrown with brush. The snow cover made for small cathedrals that the little buggers were hunkered down in. Managed to stomp on a couple of these spots (not an easy thing with snowshoes) and out they'd pop. Even with the deep snow, most managed to elude us. We saw nine and got 3. We were happy with the numbers, given that we only hunted one area, and the deep snow.

All in all, a satisfying (but exhausting) day.

Extentions RE: Firearms Act

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Posted by Tackleberry on December 24, 2000 at 07:18:15:

Hi all, ......

I just recieved a fax from the Canadian Firearms Centre. On Dec.22, the Justice Minister announced a 6 month extention of the Waiver for Firearms Transfer Fees. As well, a 6 month Amnesty for Turning-in/Transfering of Non-grandfather Prohibited Firearms.

By the way the text reads, the waving of the '95 to'98 period for legally including the "prohibited handguns" as grandfathered does not exist.

Bottom Line;

By June 30, 2001 * the return of the $25 transfer fee will be back in place

* all non-grandfathered owners of prohibited handguns must have them 1/ deactivated (as prescribed by RCMP Forenics) 2/ sell to grandfathered person 3/ give to museum 4/ turn in to police to be destroyed.

Stay Safe Tack

Re: gun for moose hunting

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Posted by blackwolf on December 23, 2000 at 18:51:05:

In Reply to: gun for moose hunting posted by greenhorn on December 23, 2000 at 14:58:17:

I don't know the range you want to shoot, nor the type of terrain. Personnally, I would not shoot anything larger than a 3030 out of a lever action, however winchester does make a fine rifle a 4440 lever action that I'm told is quite reliable.Acording to a few gunsmiths, the trigger mechanizm was designed for the 3030 and there has been a lot of problems with higher power rifles blowing back in the shooters face. This may happen after ten shots or 500, but it will happen. I have shot all eight of my moose with my 3030 '94. In my humble opinion, this is one of the most versitile rifles out there,a lot of hunters swear by the 3006, which is still a great all round gun.By the way, all the moose I've shot were in the 75-125 yard distance. I won't shoot any further no matter how big the gun, due to the wounding of the animal, I've chased a few down through swamp,its not fun. Have you considered a bolt action if you are sold on the larger caliber with more punch idea? good luck ......Blackwolf

Happy Holidays

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Posted by sparky on December 23, 2000 at 16:28:42:

I would just like to wish everyone on the board a safe holiday season and may you get that little extra something under the tree that you have been hoping for.

sparky

gun for moose hunting

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Posted by greenhorn on December 23, 2000 at 14:58:17:

Want to go moose hunting next year thinking of buying a 45-70 lever action winchester.Anyone know of a better gun or should this do the trick.Also will this gun have the knock down power at a longer range.Thanks in advance.

This might help...

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Posted by Kevin on December 22, 2000 at 23:02:24:

In Reply to: Cleaning Rabbits posted by Dave on December 22, 2000 at 09:49:07:

Re: Cleaning Rabbits

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Posted by Wisky on December 22, 2000 at 19:12:57:

In Reply to: Cleaning Rabbits posted by Dave on December 22, 2000 at 09:49:07:

1. Have someone hold the hind legs or tie them up spread eagle.

2. Cut the skin around the joint of the foot, lengthwise inside the leg to the crotch.

3. Pull the skin down like you are turning a sock inside out.

4. If the skin is not passing use a knife to help it along.

5. Pull the skin all the way to the head, cut the head off.

6. Gut the rabbit and wash excess blood etc.

7. Dry excess moisture immediatly.

A rabbit that is freshly killed can be cleaned in 3 minutes like this.

Hope this helps.

Cleaning Rabbits

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Posted by Dave on December 22, 2000 at 09:49:07:

Does anyone have a good technique to clean a rabbit?

Re: wicket Would like to hunt geese in canada

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Posted by steve pagett on December 21, 2000 at 20:32:45:

In Reply to: wicket Would like to hunt geese in canada posted by rick elliott on December 21, 2000 at 14:14:34:

southern ont. gooser always do well usually limits lots of birds winter here. often dont hunt past the end of sept. have all we want. however I can set up on geese anytime of the season including jan. always interested in swaping hunts e. mail me with some info. and will go from there. merry christmass!!

wicket Would like to hunt geese in canada

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Posted by rick elliott on December 21, 2000 at 14:14:34:

To trade we have pheasant grouse deer quail ducks and geese we have a boat we hunt ducks and geese from what do you have in mind

Re: want to hunt geese in canada

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Posted by rick elliott on December 21, 2000 at 14:06:55:

In Reply to: Re: want to hunt geese in canada posted by wicket on December 17, 2000 at 08:40:15:

response to wicket we have deer grouse pheasant quail geese ducks we have a boat we hhunt out of also for ducks and geese what do to have in mind

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Kern on December 21, 2000 at 10:18:20:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 21, 2000 at 09:14:34:

If I were to get one today, I would get the Trailcover, but keep in mind, the primium you pay for the trailcover almost puts you up to an Exomag in cost. The Mag will give you slightly flatter shots than the Exocet and comes in Trailcover as standard. Which ever bow you choose, Im sure you will like it.

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Mike on December 21, 2000 at 09:14:34:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbows posted by Kern on December 20, 2000 at 19:55:55:

Thanks Kern, if you were to purchase an Exocet today, what finish would you get?

Re: Sunday hunting?

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Posted by Ric on December 20, 2000 at 21:30:39:

In Reply to: Sunday hunting? posted by David C. on December 11, 2000 at 00:25:20:

Whats this Sunday hunting about? I know that bow hunters can hunt on Sundays. But that seems to be only a small number of people and I dont know very many who hunt both. The ones I know hunt one or the other depending on their work requierments. Fact is I'm a bow hunter and I have never come across another one in the areas I hunt on any day of the week.

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Kern on December 20, 2000 at 19:55:55:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 19, 2000 at 07:55:46:

Up until this summer/fall, you didnt have a choice in colours...all Exocets came in 3 colour camo and the Mags were in "Trailcover". Im not 100% on this, but I think if you take the Exocet in Trailcover it will come with the new Magtip limbs. The Exomags with "Hardwoods" finish also have the new magtip limbs.

SPARKY!!!!!!! CALL ME TONIGHT

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Posted by Braden on December 19, 2000 at 19:22:22:

Nick, I can't find yer darn telly # Call me tonight if you want to hunt the A.M. (905) 833-1550. Call ASAP.

Re: Interfering with Hunting

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Posted by AJB on December 19, 2000 at 16:40:29:

In Reply to: Interfering with Hunting posted by Andy on December 19, 2000 at 15:43:40:

Hey Andy, I'm the one that posted that question. Thanks for the quick reply by the way. The reason I was asking whether it was a federal or provincial law was because the incident I was referring to happened in Quebec. So, as a little follow up question, I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a similar law in Quebec, or perhaps a federal law that would cover an out of province situation? Thanks in advance.

Interfering with Hunting

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Posted by Andy on December 19, 2000 at 15:43:40:

The following is a question posed to Ask the CO. The return email address was broken, so I am posting it here since this may be of interest to others.

> I noticed on page 4 of this year's hunting regulations a statement that
> it is an offence to interfere with someone who is lawfully hunting.  
> My friend would dearly like to know if this is a provincial or federal 
> law, and how he could get the name of, and a copy of this law.
  It's provincial. I quote for you below:

Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, Sec. 13(1): 13.(1) Obstruction of hunting, trapping or fishing 13. 13.(1) A person shall not interfere with lawful hunting, trapping or fishing by, (a)tampering with traps, nets, bait, firearms or any other thing used for hunting, trapping or fishing;

(b)placing himself or herself in a position, for the purpose of interfering, that hinders or prevents hunting, trapping or fishing; or (c)engaging in an activity, for the purpose of interfering, that disturbs or is likely to disturb wildlife or fish.

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Mike on December 19, 2000 at 07:55:46:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbows posted by Nimrod on December 18, 2000 at 15:22:58:

One of the local archery shope loaned my the Excalibur video, plus i've surfed the net with respect to crossbows & i' definitely going with Excalibur.......most likely the Exocet & waiting till the hunting show is not a good idea as i'd like to get lots of practice with it prior to the "running of the deer". Thanks all the your responses & I have one more question.........what finish do you all have & why? Ecalibur's 'Camo', Excaliburs 'Trailcover' or Excaliburs new 'Hardwoods' finish? Thanks again for your responses.

Re: South African Hunting Safaris

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 19, 2000 at 07:49:56:

In Reply to: South African Hunting Safaris posted by MDV on December 18, 2000 at 17:04:11:

Sounds interesting........i've never hunted a South African before..........before anyone gets upset, i'm just kidding......come on MDV, tell us all the info!!!!!!!!!

Re: Bowhunting turkeys

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Posted by Eric on December 19, 2000 at 07:49:48:

In Reply to: Bowhunting turkeys posted by Nimrod on December 18, 2000 at 15:24:29:

I've been toying with the idea of turkey hunting with a crossbow & came across this site a few years ago; "Stu Keck's Wild Turkey Hunting School". There's a ton of valuable info for both shotgun & bowhunters.

...I'd sure love to hunt on Sunday !

BOWHUNTING FOR WILD TURKEYS

old wooden decoys for sale

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Posted by Brent on December 19, 2000 at 03:48:21:

I have a bunch of old wooden bluebill decoys for sale. They are probably about 30 - 40 years old and were carved by an old gunner on Rice Lake near Peterborough. They are very basic, but are still a neat looking decoy. I have looked into them and don't believe they have much collectors value. They do make a nice mantle piece though. If you are interested, email me at bmason@kawartha.com. $50 each.

Brent

Re: Bowhunting turkeys

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Posted by Brent - Hitman on December 19, 2000 at 03:41:03:

In Reply to: Bowhunting turkeys posted by Nimrod on December 18, 2000 at 15:24:29:

Best shot placement is right where the wing joins the body. I would imagine a front on shot at the base of the beard would be deadly, but the bird would be looking right at you. I have also heard of shooting them right at the base of the tail when they are strutting and facing away from you.

Hope this helps. Brent

Re: South African Hunting Safaris

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Posted by Nimrod on December 18, 2000 at 17:54:14:

In Reply to: South African Hunting Safaris posted by MDV on December 18, 2000 at 17:04:11:

Well, don't keep us in suspense! Do tell!

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Rob S on December 18, 2000 at 17:07:55:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbows posted by Ray on December 17, 2000 at 06:36:49:

exocet has worked every time for me! nevera problem allways right on

South African Hunting Safaris

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Posted by MDV on December 18, 2000 at 17:04:11:

Are you a hunter with a African dream the size of the big 5. i can help with excellent cheep pric es on safaris to South Africa.(almost for F R E E )"unbelievable BEEN THERE SEEN IT !!!!! LOVE IT....

Bowhunting turkeys

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Posted by Nimrod on December 18, 2000 at 15:24:29:

I have been thinking about bowhunting for gobblers for years. I may just do it this spring. What is the proper shot placement for a broadhead on a turkey?

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Nimrod on December 18, 2000 at 15:22:58:

In Reply to: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

I have also owned my Exocet since they first came out. Very accurate. Although I have not taken any deer with it, that has nothing to do with the bow. If I were buying one today, I would buy an Exomag, but Excalibur's new compound, the Paradox, is worth a close look. While I practice out to 50 yards, I would not want to try a shot at a deer beyond 40 yards because the arrow simply takes too long to get there and the deer has lots of time to jump the string (crossbows are quite loud!).

If you can wait that long, you can get great package deals at the Hunting Show in September. I would also recommend the Excalibur video, and don't be afraid to call or email the company. The Troubridges are very helpful (they are always at the Hunting Show too).

Re: What is a POL, PAL & FAC

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Posted by Kern on December 18, 2000 at 09:16:14:

In Reply to: What is a POL, PAL & FAC posted by Confused on December 17, 2000 at 20:05:50:

In addition to what Dumb Ash just said, you will also need a POL to buy ammo as of Jan 1, 2001.

Re: What is a POL, PAL & FAC

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 18, 2000 at 05:54:52:

In Reply to: What is a POL, PAL & FAC posted by Confused on December 17, 2000 at 20:05:50:

POL = Possession Only Licence......allows you to posses a firearm! PAL = Possession Aquisition Licence.....allows you to posses & purchase firearms!!! FAC = is going to be obsolete very soon and is a combination of both the POL & PAL!!!!! Hope this helps...........

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by bowhunter on December 17, 2000 at 20:29:16:

In Reply to: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

I've owned an Exocet since '93. Reliable, accurate and easy to use. Wouldn't own any other crossbow.

What is a POL, PAL & FAC

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Posted by Confused on December 17, 2000 at 20:05:50:

In Reply to: Re: POL problem posted by Wes on December 16, 2000 at 21:52:36:

Due to my resistance to the whole registration fiasco, I've not paid attention to any of this crap and am confused about POL's, PAL's and FAC's. Can you expain?

Please advise what I need to get if I want to lead a normal life as my father did before all this government control?

Well Matt....

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Posted by Braden on December 17, 2000 at 17:04:49:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Matt Ende on December 16, 2000 at 18:56:50:

I am such a romantic so and so now aren't I. In truth, it was late, I was going hunting in the morning, and I was crying in my beer cause I wasn't going to get into it for another year. Let me know by e-mail what your plans are for the next few days. The weather is poor, and the bird's are thick at the "spot" we took Aaron to the other week. Took 4 drake buffs, an oldsquaw hen and 2 mallards 1 green and a suzie with Josh on Thursday morning, And I'll be the first to admit he thrashed me soundly in the shooting department that morning. Not bad considering he's never fired a Shotgun before this year. Give me a shout ASAP.

Braden

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by roho on December 17, 2000 at 09:13:12:

In Reply to: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

Hi mike i have owned an exocet for 6 years.They are super accurate,trouble free,and powerfull,i highly recomend them.They are a deers worst nightmare. Roho

Re: want to hunt geese in canada

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Posted by wicket on December 17, 2000 at 08:40:15:

In Reply to: want to hunt geese in canada posted by Rick ELLIOTT on December 15, 2000 at 14:51:55:

I might be able to set you up with a late season hunt. What do you have to trade?

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Ray on December 17, 2000 at 06:36:49:

In Reply to: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

HI Mike I have a buddy that shoots EXcailber bows and he loves it say's he has taken deer 40 to 50 yards but likes to keep the shots under 30

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Mike on December 17, 2000 at 05:58:21:

In Reply to: Re: Crossbows posted by Matt Ende on December 16, 2000 at 18:22:13:

Thanks for the response.........i'm more interested in the Exocet...........just out of curiosity, why are you selling the Vixen??????

Re: A Canadian Christmas

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Posted by Kern on December 16, 2000 at 22:35:06:

In Reply to: A Canadian Christmas posted by Kevin on December 16, 2000 at 21:09:52:

Sounds like I should keep the Desert Eagle under the pillow. :) Do these pretty teflon coated rounds really punch Kevlar???

Re: POL problem

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Posted by Wes on December 16, 2000 at 21:52:36:

In Reply to: POL problem posted by Screemin Reel on December 16, 2000 at 21:07:06:

Under the Firearms Act you can only have 1 licence. An FAC is a a licence. As soon as you get a POL your FAC is invalid and you cannot acquire more firearms. Your choice is either get a POL or keep your FAC and then go for a PAL when the FAC is about to expire. Have you taken the Canadian Firearms Safety Course since Jan 1/94 ? If not, you need it to get a PAL. If you do not want to take the CFSC test, you need to stick to the POL which means you cannot acquire more firearms

Wes

A Canadian Christmas

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Posted by Kevin on December 16, 2000 at 21:09:52:

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.
The front door was locked and the deadbolt was thrown, all was safe and secure in our castle of stone.
The children were nestled all snug in their beds while visions of Pokemon danced in their heads.
With mom in her tee shirt and I in my flannel watching intently, the Discovery Channel.
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,I fumbled as always the vinyl-clad sash.
The moonlight was faint on my snow covered lawn as I peered through the gloom and I stifled a yawn.
When what to my wondering eyes should appear but a vanload of men in full military gear!
The young ninja-clad driver was lively and quick,he stepped to the curb with his door-bashing stick.
With the speed of a cobra, his agents they came as he whistled and shouted and called them by name:
Now Chalmers and Davidson, you take the back and when I give the signal commence the attack!
To the top of the porch men, stay close to the wall, now BASH AWAY, BASH AWAY, BASH AWAY ALL!
Then they gained entry, a matter of course, the doorframe was splintered and shattered and broke.
Then up to the housetop, his agents they flew, in a steady advance, of a well-practiced crew.
Soon I heard men at the top of the stair, that's when my thoughts turned to the kids sleeping there.
I turned, and I jumped over my bed in a bound, as the door was crashed in, I heard "Down on the ground!"
He was dressed all in black from his head to his toe and he wore a broad mask, so his face wouldn`t show.
He lined up the sight of the gun he possessed, which was clearly a chore in that black-armored vest.
His eyes - how they twinkled, that's all I could tell of the person who faced me and issued a yell:
"To the ground!" he repeated, with hasty precision the bead he had drawn didn't leave for decision.
So silently raging, to carpet I fell from my wife there issued a terrified yell.
While they tore up my bedroom, and left it a wreck I scarcely could breathe for the boot on my neck!
From afar in the house I could hear their ransacking and as meek as a church mouse, a "Daddy, what's happening?"
With that still small voice, and his cry of alarm I resolved a great price, should they bring him to harm.
It was then that they read from the warrant they held as I struggled to listen, THEN YELLED:
"YOU IDIOTS"! The problem is plain ... This is WORTHINGTON TERRACE, NOT WORTHINGTON LANE!
As he lifted his boot from my throat he spoke not a word, then looked at his underling and called him a jerk.
Then quick as they came his accomplices rose,"My mistake," were his words, "didn't mean to impose."
Then he sprang to his van, to his team gave a whistle and away they all flew, like the down of a thistle.
I heard him explain as they drove out of sight,"Good thing no one was hurt, and to all a good night."

POL problem

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Posted by Screemin Reel on December 16, 2000 at 21:07:06:

Have a question.I have a FAC that is valid until august 2001 and have been thinking of applying for a POL now in order to be licenced before my FAC expires since there is such a backlog.Is my FAC void as soon as they receive my POL application or when I receive my new POL in the mail?The reason I ask is I wish to attend a gun auction in March and may wish to buy another rifle.Should I apply now or would waiting for march after the auction leave me without a licence come the August deadline? Thanks for any info...Mike

Thanks Wes...NT

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Posted by Woody on December 16, 2000 at 21:03:45:

In Reply to: Re: Don't hunt anymore but want to keep my gun... posted by Wes on December 15, 2000 at 15:01:27:

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by blackwolf on December 16, 2000 at 19:29:49:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Kern on December 14, 2000 at 11:21:33:

This year was a great year,got my deer,my wifes deer, son's deer.Spent a lot of time in the marsh with my son, shot a few ducks, learned more, saw some incredible sunrises, even more spectacular sunsets.No complaints from me.I won't speak for the hunters in the other blinds that I skyblasted their game away, or rained pellets on because I could, and I'm sure my son's wounds will heal over time........JUST KIDDING GUYS! Although I don't want to put away the gear, I won't, goose season is still just around the corner,we can still hunt bunnies and grouse, we can still get out in the woods and plan for next year. Try to correct the mistakes we made this year,besides, moose season is still open in B.C. Lots of luck in the closer blakwolf

Re: You might...

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Posted by blackwolf on December 16, 2000 at 19:14:13:

In Reply to: You might... posted by Braden on December 16, 2000 at 12:32:58:

God Bless Viagra

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by Matt Ende on December 16, 2000 at 18:56:50:

In Reply to: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Braden on December 14, 2000 at 00:14:27:

Quite a Romantic twist on the melancholy of "Late-late season"... This year, me and Braden got into a little hunting, both good and bad. Since we live on opposite sides of the Lake, not as much as we would have liked. Got to dunk my dog into some new places, and hunt with some old dogs that taught me some new tricks, and even took home a few birds to prove it. I have heard that the USFWS will not be publicizing the Fall-Flight index starting next year. Lets hope and pray for another year like those recently passed. Unfortunately, I missed out on the Last Saturday of 2000 today, due to a combination of illness/Work/Christmas Party, but I will be hunting on the 20th. For those of us who live for sunrise in the marsh, whistling wings, lazy greeting calls and Big Black Dogs - time to put the gear away for now and move on to other, less meaningfull things...

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Matt Ende on December 16, 2000 at 18:22:13:

In Reply to: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

The Excaliber line of Xbows are likely the best made. I have a buddy who uses an Exomag, which has proven to be extremely accurate. Although we have hunted Turkey with it, it has mostly been used to shoot groundhogs. We have both made head shots with it out to about 40 yards. A deer would be very dumb to walk within 50 yards of one of these things! I have a brand new, never fired, Excaliber Vixen for sale, by the way. First $400 takes it. Email if interested. Includes quiver, sight, bolts. 150 lb draw, deadly for deer, and you can hunt turkey on Sundays!

Re: Crossbows

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Posted by Kern on December 16, 2000 at 16:14:49:

In Reply to: Crossbows posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

Hi Mike, I took the plunge this year and bought an Exomag. Its a nice bow. If you go to the Excalibur website you can read the msgs in the local forum they have there. Be warned though that everyone there owns Excaliburs so opinions may be biased.

As far as speed and accuracy goes you cant beat them.

http://www.excaliburcrossbow.com/

The site isnt updated with the Mag tip or Paradox, but you can see both of them at Gagnons which by the way had the best prices for the bows when I bought mine. Labarons had better pricing for all the accesories.

Kern

Crossbows

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Posted by Mike on December 16, 2000 at 15:28:44:

Just looking to get opinions (good or bad) of the Excalibur crossbows, specifically the Exomag and the Exocet as compared to other makes and models........thanks in advance for your opinions..........Mike

You might...

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Posted by Braden on December 16, 2000 at 12:32:58:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by blackwolf on December 15, 2000 at 20:55:14:

Have some trouble getting your gun up.

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by sparky on December 16, 2000 at 07:29:40:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 15, 2000 at 04:54:56:

Oh man you can say that again !! As soon as you sign on the dotted line its over as we guys know it !!

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by blackwolf on December 15, 2000 at 20:55:14:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Nimrod on December 14, 2000 at 17:10:55:

ah.... but to enjoy both at the same time........may not be a prety sight

Re: Heavy snow and deer

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Posted by Bowbuck on December 15, 2000 at 17:36:35:

In Reply to: Re: Heavy snow and deer posted by bowhunter on December 12, 2000 at 09:16:11:

I find it easier to hunt the ground rather than a tree in the snow, for me anyways. I stick to cedar thickets and pines hunting the edges has been good, lots of sign mainly nocturnal in my area. Not too much rutting activity since end of november they should be in or past the second cycle by now.

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by Brad on December 15, 2000 at 17:30:46:

In Reply to: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by West on December 11, 2000 at 22:14:53:

If you want it faster, phone them and tell them you have to have it processed because your carreer depends on it. It works they put yours in priority... If your in ajob that you carry a restricted.

I lose my job if I don't get one! nomsg

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Posted by Brad on December 15, 2000 at 17:27:11:

In Reply to: Re: POL/PAC posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:11:26:

nomsg

Re: Don't hunt anymore but want to keep my gun...

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Posted by Wes on December 15, 2000 at 15:01:27:

In Reply to: Don't hunt anymore but want to keep my gun... posted by Woody on December 15, 2000 at 14:53:58:

No, but if all you want to do is keep your gun, you have until the end of the month to apply for a Possession Only Licence,no safety course required, and it will cost you $10.00

Don't hunt anymore but want to keep my gun...

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Posted by Woody on December 15, 2000 at 14:53:58:

I did the hunter safety course in the mid 60s, and had an FAC in the late 70s. Does any of that apply now?

want to hunt geese in canada

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Posted by Rick ELLIOTT on December 15, 2000 at 14:51:55:

Me and some friends where thinking about makeing a trip to canada to gooes hunt does anyone have anytips or any thing like where to go when to go and if anyone can set us up with somee farmers we are from neberaska. we want to hunt the big canadas.please let me know thanks

CFC - are they getting a little behind in their work?

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Posted by Fischer on December 15, 2000 at 13:24:41:

Got this by e-mail from the Firearms Centre. Lest any of you think I'm a schill or spy, I had some correspondence with them be e-mail some months ago, and they've added me to their mailing list, so I get these reports.

I think these regulations have to do with registration of firearms owned by police departments and other organizations.

Note: "Deferring the implementation of these regulations will allow more time to develop a reporting process that is as simple and accurate as possible."

Wish that they'd consider applying that kind of common sense to the rest of us poor schmucks.

"Special Bulletin for Public Agents No. 9 Date Change - Public Agents Firearms Regulations

Snapshot

New "start date" for implementing sections 8 to 10 and sections 12 to 16 of the Public Agents Firearms Regulations. Now scheduled to take effect January 1, 2003. Other sections of the regulations have been in effect since December 1, 1998.

In earlier bulletins, we informed you that sections 8 to 10 and sections 12 to 16 of the Public Agents Firearms Regulations would be coming into effect on January 1, 2001. We wish to advise you that the start date for implementing these sections of the regulations has been changed to January 1, 2003. The provisions that come into effect on that date focus on reporting and disposal requirements with respect to existing and newly acquired firearms in a public agency's inventory, including the agency's own firearms, as well as protected firearms for which the agency is responsible, such as found or seized firearms.

Deferring the implementation of these regulations will allow more time to develop a reporting process that is as simple and accurate as possible.

All other provisions in the regulations came into effect on December 1, 1998. The provisions now in effect include requirements relating to the safe storage of firearms; appropriate training for public agents; agency identification numbers; and reporting requirements for lost or stolen firearms.

The complete English and French texts for the public agency regulations can be found on our Web site at: http://www.cfc-caf.gc.ca/cfm/ENGLISH/LEG/FAREGS/0050000F.HTM http://www.cfc-caf.gc.ca/cfm/FRANCAIS/LEG/FAREGS/0050000F.HTM

Future bulletins will update you further on reporting procedures.

Thank you for your patience at this time."

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by Nimrod on December 15, 2000 at 11:22:23:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 15, 2000 at 04:59:19:

Thanx. Since I have never heard of it, your spelling looks good to me!

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 15, 2000 at 04:59:19:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by Nimrod on December 14, 2000 at 09:56:44:

I may not have spelled it properly, but, cosmoline is a vaseline type substance that you smear all over & in your firearms to protect it from the elements whilst it is been 'stored' such as been buried underground..........a lot of military fireams come pack in cosmoline, such as the old 303's. Hope this answers your question & if I have spelt it wrong, please feel free to correct me!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 15, 2000 at 04:54:56:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Nimrod on December 14, 2000 at 17:10:55:

He obviously in not married!!!!!!!!!!

Hold Hard, These Ancient Minutes in the Cuckoo's Month

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Posted by Shooter on December 14, 2000 at 20:36:53:

In Reply to: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Braden on December 14, 2000 at 00:14:27:

Dylan Thomas I am not, nor did i get enuf of the marshes myself this season. one last day was spent on the edges of a creeping iceline bordering lake st clair. a bountiful day yielding blacks, mallards, cans, bluebills and a widgeon. till we meet again next year.........

Shooter

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by Nimrod on December 14, 2000 at 17:10:55:

In Reply to: Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Kern on December 14, 2000 at 11:21:33:

"Besides, sex you could have anytime..."

Speak for yourself!! :(

Re: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by Kern on December 14, 2000 at 11:21:33:

In Reply to: Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light! posted by Braden on December 14, 2000 at 00:14:27:

Ducks are by far a blast to shoot and your room mate may indeed be right when he says shooting is better than sex!! This year I havent been out at the ducks as much because Ive been spending alot of time with my new toy, an Exomag crossbow.

Let me tell you... the first time I had a deer in my peep sights I was shakin all over and it was hard to get a good breath of air in me from the excitement...so I would have to say that experience surely rivals sex. Besides, sex you could have anytime...we only experience hunting for limited times of the year which makes us want it even more!!

Went out last night for a quick go see and had the pleasure of watching a flock of about 200 + mallards circle a snow filled corn field. I am always awed by watching so many ducks fly in a synchronized display of airial ballet. They did however come a little too close to me and I now have some fresh mallard in the freezer. I will be on the water hard for next few days because its a long wait to the next duck opener.

Kern

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by Nimrod on December 14, 2000 at 09:56:44:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by DUMD ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 14, 2000 at 05:39:36:

OK, what the heck is "cosmoline"?

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by DUMD ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 14, 2000 at 05:39:36:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by Nirmod on December 13, 2000 at 14:23:05:

Like I said, they are stashed away & the GUN POLICE will have to spend lots of time & money that they don't have to find them.........read between the lines........unless you have the GPS coordinates, chances of anyone finding them are slim & none.........thank god for cosmoline!!!!!!!!!!!

Let us go not quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light!

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Posted by Braden on December 14, 2000 at 00:14:27:

Tommorow morning may well be the last day of waterfowl for me. I hope to make it out on the 20th for one last sunrise, but I don't know that I'll make it. Shucks darn i'm getting sad. Opening day was a wash for me and my crew. We got a few birds, but seemed plagued with trouble from the start, and the day culminated with me taking a bath in the evening on Rice. However, things looked up. got into some good gunning with some friends on the Bruce peninsula, then October skys filled with GW teal, and mallards in the Holland marsh near my house. Some spectacular goose kills, followed by a fullfilling November on puddlers and fall birds. This season proved to be the most diverse for different specie of bird. Our groups take consisted of Mallard, Gadwall, Brant, Oldsquaw, Wood Duck, GW & BW teal, Ruddy, Scaup (lesser), Common goldeneye, Bufflehead, 1 Canvasback drake (lost dt poor hit, still crying), Merganser (3 accidentaly shot when they buzzed by unannounced), Pintail (1 shot by a friend up north, 1 full drake that buzzed me, and i failed to shoot at D/T being stunned by it's sudden appearance. Should have had it shucks darnit, woulda been a mounter.) Oh yeah, and geese. Overall, a great season. Introduced my roomate to the sport, and he now claims that hunting ducks may indeed be better than sex (still undecided). Got a new pup, "Sprig" and he is proving to be worth his dog chow thus far. If things don't pan out with him for some reason, i will be offering a slightly used, and not very good duck/upland dog for sale at a reduced rate next year (kidding). He is good at eating, and carrying dirty gitch around the house though. So tommorow marks six days till the end of the year, and i will get one last crack at em. Love to hear the booming of the guns as the first light filters in. I truly doubt that there is anything that can compare to the hunting of ducks. Alright enough blather, going out to kill me a limit in the A.M., gotta get some sleep. BTW, how was your year??

Braden

It`s gone now...

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Posted by Kevin on December 13, 2000 at 19:16:17:

In Reply to: Re: Go Vote posted by Nimrod on December 13, 2000 at 14:10:00:

But we won, again!

Yes: 2245

No: 2755

Re: Go Vote

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Posted by Kern on December 13, 2000 at 18:44:09:

In Reply to: Re: Go Vote posted by Nimrod on December 13, 2000 at 14:10:00:

Look on the right hand margin...

Kern

Re: Walpole Island Ducks

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Posted by shooter on December 13, 2000 at 17:28:24:

In Reply to: Walpole Island Ducks posted by Brian on December 11, 2000 at 17:36:01:

marshes and shallow bays are definitely frozen. quick limits are available in the open waters of the lake and the rivers surrounding walpole.

shooter

Re: New hunter

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Posted by Nimrod on December 13, 2000 at 14:53:05:

In Reply to: Re: New hunter posted by Horntrip on December 11, 2000 at 22:04:03:

In fact, you are absolutely correct. However, considering that there are probably not many more huntable populations of Hungarian Partridge in Ontario (mostly eastern Ontario) than there are of pheasants, I am quite confident that when New Hunter referred to "partridge" he meant ruffed grouse (as most Ontario upland bird hunters do). I know that in my 16 + years of tromping around the bush in many areas of Ontario, I have never seen a Hungarian Partridge (and considering that I am Hungarian, and that my grandfather, who got me into hunting, was very familiar with the bird, that's a shame). And just because the Regulations list a bunch of different W.M.U.s having open seasons for Huns doesn't mean that all of those units have huntable numbers (see my previous point about ringnecks).

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by Nirmod on December 13, 2000 at 14:23:05:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 12, 2000 at 06:13:17:

Just a word to the wise, I think I would start refraining from making confessions like that in a public forum, especially after January 1. :)

Re: POL/PAC

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Posted by Nimrod on December 13, 2000 at 14:14:27:

In Reply to: POL/PAC posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:08:46:

I don't believe that there is any "law" that says that a law is unenforceable if the majority don't comply. I think it comes down to an issue of logistics and practicality. Keep in mind that the "majority" we are referring to is the majority of GUN OWNERS, not the majority of CANADIANS.

As for a test case, let's remember that the Supreme Court of Canada has found the law to be constitutional!

Re: Go Vote

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Posted by Nimrod on December 13, 2000 at 14:10:00:

In Reply to: Go Vote posted by Kevin on December 12, 2000 at 18:48:12:

I don't see any place to vote!

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by DonG on December 13, 2000 at 10:30:42:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 12, 2000 at 06:13:17:

If this kind of thing keeps up, before you know it one of these political parties will think it's a good idea to register peoples' DNA -- even people who have never been convicted of any crime.

Here's the latest!!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 13, 2000 at 07:32:20:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:21:18:

That is exactly what my belt buckle says that I wear constantly!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 13, 2000 at 07:27:56:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by Kern on December 12, 2000 at 09:20:04:

Kern, the only reason i'm still in Brampton is that it is only a 10min. drive to work......if you don't know, I drive tractor trailer & don't feel like spending an excessive amount of time driving back & forth to work after driving for a living 10 - 12 hours a day........I did live in Oshawa, but got sick of the commute so I figured Brampton would be a good bet & yes, the Liberal candidate is a turban top as well.......believe me, when I retire, hopefully in about 8-10 years, i'll be pullling up stakes & going north for 8 months of the year & the other 4 months in Florida or the Carribean, but for no, I guess I have to put up with been a minority in the city I live in!!!!!!!!!!! Have a good day!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: I prefer,

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Posted by Kern on December 12, 2000 at 22:15:04:

In Reply to: Re: I prefer, posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 17:19:49:

Ya...I like that one too.

Re: Heavy snow and deer

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Posted by roho on December 12, 2000 at 19:14:23:

In Reply to: Heavy snow and deer posted by Kern on December 11, 2000 at 21:32:04:

try south facing ridges from 10 till 3 espicially after cold night when sun shines

Go Vote

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Posted by Kevin on December 12, 2000 at 18:48:12:

Globe Poll

Do you support the federal gun registration and licensing law?

GO VOTE

Re: gun reviews

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Posted by Matt Ende on December 12, 2000 at 18:34:37:

In Reply to: Re: gun reviews posted by Nimrod on December 11, 2000 at 17:18:30:

The onyx is alright, but it is Beretta's bottom-of-the-line, and is not finished nice in my opinion. It does come in 3" and 3.5" (can't see why you'd shoot these in a double gun, but...) It all depends what you want the gun for. If it's for grouse and rabbits, I'd go with a 20 guage, because the gun will be lighter and nicer to shoot. If you got your heart set on the Beretta, I'd save a few more bucks and get a Silver Pigeon. Very, very nice shotgun and it handles faster than anything out there. I have taken a look at a few Whitewings and Ultralights, and have seen a few with very fancy wood on them, and if you only need 2.75", you might be better of with one of these. Good price, good shotgun. As far as the Brownings go, I am just very biased when it comes to these contraptions. Citoris don't fit me, they are overpriced for a Chinese import, and they are finished like one of the cheaper Soviet outfits. I was seriously considering a 2000.oo+ Gran Lighting, until we realized than the only one in stock had some very serious flaws (Quality Control???) and would not assemble, among other things. Your best bet for a do-it-all O/U is the Ruger. I'd take it in the 12g with 28" tubes. It's the handiest and best made double on the market, has more inherrent features than the Beretta, Browning and all else combined, and if finished respectively to boot.

Re: I prefer,

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Posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 17:19:49:

In Reply to: I prefer, posted by Braden on December 12, 2000 at 08:42:42:

Yeah, I do like that better

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 17:18:17:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by Kern on December 12, 2000 at 09:20:04:

Harris whom we all love (love to hate that is) actually is in the process or has passed a bill that makes hunting and fishing for anyone born in Ontario a birthright, which means under law,it is not a priveledge but a right, I understand that harris has no love for the liberals either

Re: Heavy snow and deer

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Posted by bowhunter on December 12, 2000 at 13:42:26:

In Reply to: Re: Heavy snow and deer posted by Kern on December 12, 2000 at 09:35:28:

Rutting activity in December is common sight most years where I hunt. So I believe what you are saying is likely true. The area I hunt is bows only with no gun season at all and relatively light hunting pressure. I think the buck to doe ratio is probably pretty close to 50:50, which is what it should be under natural conditions. Where hunting pressure is high and few doe tags are given out, the buck ratio is usually kept unnaturally lower. Also, without any concerted effort to be selective, almost all the deer we've taken over the years have been bucks, despite the fact that we always have doe tags.

Re: POL/PAC

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Posted by Kevin on December 12, 2000 at 10:24:40:

In Reply to: POL/PAC posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:08:46:

The Globe and Mail, Tuesday, December 12, 2000

Half of guns unregistered as deadline approaches

Millions of Canadian firearms owners 'just refusing to participate' in new law By Jill Mahoney

Re: Heavy snow and deer

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Posted by Kern on December 12, 2000 at 09:35:28:

In Reply to: Re: Heavy snow and deer posted by bowhunter on December 12, 2000 at 09:16:11:

Wow, thats a good count for one day. To date Ive only seen 16 and all but one of them was during the early season in October.

Ive heard that an area with a high doe to buck ratio will see rutting activity continue in 28 day cycles until all the does are bread. I still have my doe tag to fill and hope to get out this week. Was just wondering what this heavy snowfall will do to the daily movement of animals.

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by Kern on December 12, 2000 at 09:20:04:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 12, 2000 at 06:13:17:

Hey Mike, Sounds like you had a bad day, again! From the amount of times Ive heard you slamming Brampton, I would think that you would have moved by now. If I remember correctly, wasnt your Liberal candidate also a turban wearer?? Tough choice to make considering your dislike of turbans.

Peronally, I dont think Ontario was ready to accept an Alliance govt. for a few reasons. Too many questions about where the party stood on everything from Canada pension to health care. It didnt help when a party member had to resign because of some silly, unthought comment either and when you consider the ethnic make up of southern Ontario, those silly comments can cost a party dearly. This problem also plagued the reform party under Manning in the previous election.

I am sorry that the Liberals were voted in again because I am as sick of them as the next guy. The Alliance and PC should seriously consider working together towards winning the next election because I think that is the only way your going to see an Alliance govt in Canada.

BTW...as much as I would like to think that I have a right to take my gun or fishing pole into the bush when ever I want, I dont think it is a right. You may beable to argue gun ownership as the right to own property, but im sure big brother looks at it a little differently when it comes to firearms. Hopefully the OFAH will be successful in their attempts to make it a right for everyone but for now unless your Native, it is a privilege, unless someone can show me in our Constitution where it says otherwise.

My 2 cents

Kern

Re: Heavy snow and deer

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Posted by bowhunter on December 12, 2000 at 09:16:11:

In Reply to: Heavy snow and deer posted by Kern on December 11, 2000 at 21:32:04:

Was out Sunday morning, between my partener an I, we saw 24 deer. Only one in shooting range. A decent six point that stood quartering towards me at 20 yds. He wouln't turn broadside, so I passed. I personally saw 17 deer. Deer were moving at sunrise and still on the move by 11:00. Most activity I've seen in one morning this year. Interestingly they seemed to be showing signs of rutting activity. Saw one large buck with his nose straight out following behind two does.

I prefer,

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Posted by Braden on December 12, 2000 at 08:42:42:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:21:18:

"When you take my guns they'll be hot and empty" Break out the cosmoline gents, it appears we may all be digging little graves for our favorite friends.

Braden

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:21:18:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 12, 2000 at 06:13:17:

seems to be the sentiment of most....THEY CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!....I appreciate that you voted ALLIANCE,but have you joined the party? Have you seen what the NFA is trying to do? I still think the election was fixed just my opinion, but I havn't met anyone who will openly admit to voting for the Frenchman, I wonder if the ones that voted him in wear tombstones for hats!!!

Re: POL/PAC

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Posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:11:26:

In Reply to: POL/PAC posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:08:46:

sorry it was a long night I ment PAL not PAC, can't be perfect all the time!!!!

POL/PAC

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Posted by blackwolf on December 12, 2000 at 08:08:46:

I was talking with some friends out west, it seems that only 14% have applied for their pol, what is going on is a rally to defy the law,would somone correct me if I'm wrong but I was told that if the majority does not comply, that the law becomes non-enforcable.The OPP were given instructions not to enforce it so that leaves the RCMP to enforce it.Maybe we should check it out and all get on the same bandwagon to fight this!!! Also the NFA is going to back the non registry and is looking for a test case. Any volenteers?

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on December 12, 2000 at 06:13:17:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by Dave on December 11, 2000 at 22:33:36:

Sounds like your riding has some smart people in it unlike the majoritiy of aholes in Ontario..........bunch of stupid idiots letting that lying French ahole, lead this country for another 4 years of lies & BS!!!!!!!!!!! Just my DUMB ASH opinion & yes I voted ALLIANCE even though the candidate wore a turban (I wanted to say what a baby wears around his behind, but didn't want to get censored) on his head!!!!! I'm fed up with all you aholes who voted Liberal & yes there are some of you on this board so don't come crying to me when the government takes away your right to hunt, fish & own firearms (like in England)!!!!!!!!!!!!! They sure as hell won't get mine, because I have no intentions of registering my 'survival firearms'!!!!! Yes I have registered some of my long guns, just to keep the 'GUN POLICE' off my back, but you can rest assured that I have others stashed away that ARE NOT & WILL NOT be resitered!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Walpole Island Ducks

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Posted by wicket on December 12, 2000 at 04:41:18:

In Reply to: Walpole Island Ducks posted by Brian on December 11, 2000 at 17:36:01:

all the marshes are froze up and most of the ducks have gone. Still some good diver shooting if you are brave enough.

Hungarian or Gray Partridge

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Posted by Kevin on December 11, 2000 at 23:17:14:

In Reply to: Re: New hunter posted by Horntrip on December 11, 2000 at 22:04:03:

Let the games begin!

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Posted by Kevin on December 11, 2000 at 23:08:56:

In Reply to: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by West on December 11, 2000 at 22:14:53:

Mohawks refuse law

The Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte are refusing to comply with federal gun legislation requiring the registration of long guns. Members of the Tyendinaga Mohawk Council voted to exempt its members from the licensing and registration provisions. Council spokesman Greg Brant says placing long guns under federal control violates native treaty agreements that guarantees the right to freely harvest game. The council says Bill C-68 gives no guarantees First Nations have the right to possess firearms.

Re: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by Dave on December 11, 2000 at 22:33:36:

In Reply to: Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!! posted by West on December 11, 2000 at 22:14:53:

Hey, my riding was one of only two in ontario that elected the alliance. It had been liberal for over 60 years, not anymore. The liberal guy was just so cocky, guess we taught him a lesson1

Re: Tanning Hides/Thanks Kevin,... I'll check it out!!!

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Posted by Wisky on December 11, 2000 at 22:18:10:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Kevin on December 09, 2000 at 13:08:41:

Wondering where your POL or PAL is? Here's the latest!!

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Posted by West on December 11, 2000 at 22:14:53:

Hey Guys,

I called the licensing office in Miramichi today to get an update on my POL application. Got a very interesting response: I was told that my apllication had not even been entered into the system yet. I mailed in my app. at the end of SEPTEMBER!! and they still have not done the initial processing. I asked them what there plan for the new year was considering there was no way the bulk of the applications could be completed by Jan/01/2001. I was then told that people who had applied would get a temporary card until the actual application was approved. This is getting more rediculous as we get closer to this so called DEADLINE?? I would like someone in law enforcent or in the legal profession to explain to me the process by which the government intends to check up the million or so canadians that will wake up criminals on new year's day for lack of even sending in the application for a license. This failure has cost taxpayers what to date?? I cannot wait to hear the latest figure. Yet the Liberals were given another majority government! I weep for the future of our sport!

West

Re: New hunter

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Posted by Horntrip on December 11, 2000 at 22:04:03:

In Reply to: Re: New hunter posted by Nimrod on December 11, 2000 at 17:31:32:

I hate to correct another hunter, so please correct me if I am wrong. I believe we have hunted both Ruffed Grouse and Hungarian Partridge in southern Ontario for all of the 30 some years I have hunted. The grouse has the brown feathers with the black striped tail feathers and the Partridge has a heavier, more rounded body with an overall grey colour. Again, correct me if I am wrong.

Heavy snow and deer

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Posted by Kern on December 11, 2000 at 21:32:04:

Just wondering what effect this kind of snow fall has on the deer?? Will they stay bedded longer in the morning or move around more to get at what ever food they can??

Thanks

Walpole Island Ducks

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Posted by Brian on December 11, 2000 at 17:36:01:

Does anybody know what the water & duck conditions are like in the Walpole Island area (Lake St. Clair. I am considering a trip this weekend.

Re: New hunter

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Posted by Nimrod on December 11, 2000 at 17:31:32:

In Reply to: New hunter posted by Darek on December 10, 2000 at 19:06:12:

Welcome!

First of all, the opportunities to hunt free-ranging wild pheasants in Ontario are between slim and none. Not anymore. There are still a few wild birds around, but nothing to really speak of. Basically you are limited to special hunts for released birds. Pelee Island has an excellent annual pheasant hunt. Other than that, some conservation areas also do release hunts, such as Scugog.

Secondly, grouse ARE partridge. Ruffed grouse is the actual name, partridge is the common name.

As for places to go, unless you have access to private land, you are probably limited to Crown forests and conservation areas. For grouse, try the Victoria County Forest.

Used over-under shotguns can probably be had for as little as $500. Gagnon's in Oshawa has a good selection of used guns.

Re: gun reviews

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Posted by Nimrod on December 11, 2000 at 17:18:30:

In Reply to: Re: gun reviews posted by Matt Ende on December 07, 2000 at 21:22:09:

Just curious, why stay away from Brownings and the Onyx?

Re: Sunday hunting?

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Posted by Brent on December 11, 2000 at 15:27:31:

In Reply to: Sunday hunting? posted by David C. on December 11, 2000 at 00:25:20:

The consensus is that it will probably have to be done on a municipality by municipality basis. This would atleast be to start, and then the provincial law could hopefully be changed. I have started inquiring into it with the townships around my area. As long as the township says it's ok, than the province will agree.

Brent

American thoughts on C-68

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Posted by TDC on December 11, 2000 at 15:01:43:

Hey guys go to http://www.outdoorlife.com/lodge/hunting.html and scroll down aways to the discussion on "Canadian gun laws will affect visiting hunters" ........ridiculous but entertaining...TDC

Hides-for-hats depot

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Posted by Pete on December 11, 2000 at 09:13:46:

I am in Guelph and I am currently looking for a hides-for-hats depot. Can anybody out there give me a location, please.

Thanks Pete

Re: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade

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Posted by Fischer on December 11, 2000 at 08:06:28:

In Reply to: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade posted by jason whyte on December 08, 2000 at 18:58:14:

Saw a nice 101 at the gun show in Ancaster yesterday. What does the Pigeon grade look like? Hard case and winchokes incl. $1425.

I don't have the number of the guy who had it there, but know someone who does. If you're interested, e-mail me and I'll get back to you with the number.

Sunday hunting?

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Posted by David C. on December 11, 2000 at 00:25:20:

Is this where it stops? Do none of you care where it goes from here? Have you called your local MP? Have you done anything but whine?

New hunter

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Posted by Darek on December 10, 2000 at 19:06:31:

Hi everyone. Im 17, from toronto, and just getting into hunting. The problem is i dont know any good spots. I would most likely want to hunt pheasant, grouse and partridge. Are there any good areas within 1.5hrs of toronto to hunt these birds? Also what would be the price range of a decent used 12 or 20ga over under shotgun? Thanks in advance.

New hunter

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Posted by Darek on December 10, 2000 at 19:06:12:

Hi everyone. Im 17, from toronto, and just getting into hunting. The problem is i dont know any good spots. I would most likely want to hunt pheasant, grouse and partridge. Are there any good areas within 1.5hrs of toronto to hunt these birds? Also what would be the price range of a decent used 12 or 20ga over under shotgun? Thanks in advance.

Re: checking on POLs

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Posted by Stuart on December 10, 2000 at 11:15:29:

In Reply to: checking on POLs posted by artman on November 24, 2000 at 18:18:16:

I emailed them after 6 weeks, they had cashed the cheque about the same day. I got mine within about 7 weeks.

Re: Outboard Motors and duckhunting

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Posted by Huntsman on December 09, 2000 at 21:41:05:

In Reply to: Re: Outboard Motors and duckhunting posted by Huntsman on December 09, 2000 at 11:01:02:

Sorry for the double post.

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Kevin on December 09, 2000 at 13:08:41:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Wisky on December 09, 2000 at 10:02:05:

Knaptons Studios in Ontario 1-800-565-5394

Taxidermy Specialty in Alta 403-291-0460

BM Sports in Quebec

AAA Taxidermy Supply in Alta 403-250-3313

Re: Outboard Motors and duckhunting

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Posted by Huntsman on December 09, 2000 at 11:01:02:

In Reply to: Outboard Motors and duckhunting posted by Brent on December 08, 2000 at 15:00:51:

A CO told me that this is ok for waterfowl hunting. For big game hunting the motor has to be off the transom. On the bottom of the boad is fine. You will have to use oars, a paddle or a sail :-)

Re: Outboard Motors and duckhunting

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Posted by Huntsman on December 09, 2000 at 10:51:35:

In Reply to: Outboard Motors and duckhunting posted by Brent on December 08, 2000 at 15:00:51:

A CO told me that this is ok for waterfowl hunting but for big game hunting the motor has to be off the transom. On the bottom of the boat is ok. You will have to use oars, a paddel or a sail:-)

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Wisky on December 09, 2000 at 10:02:05:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Kevin on December 06, 2000 at 19:50:39:

Canada, Toronto area.

Re: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade

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Posted by Braden on December 09, 2000 at 00:15:39:

In Reply to: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade posted by jason whyte on December 08, 2000 at 18:58:14:

Have an original Nikko (101) that is is so-so shape, needs a stock refinish, mod/full choked selective triggers, and auto eject ( I've removed the springs but have them) Gun is not in greatest shape, but fits well for me and swings nicely. Not sure if I even want to sell, but I'd consider it.

Braden

Re: Late season grouse and rabbits

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Posted by Snow Fan on December 08, 2000 at 22:25:06:

In Reply to: Late season grouse and rabbits posted by Dave on December 07, 2000 at 22:17:03:

This is my favourite time of year to hunt grouse (with the snow). I like to walk the trails till I find tracks, then follow the tracks till either the tracks disappear or I see the grouse. The fresher the snow fall, the more times the tracks lead to grouse.

For rabbits, early in the morning is the best time to find rabbit tracks. They seem to run alot during the nights (especially when its cold)

Re: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade

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Posted by Kevin on December 08, 2000 at 19:03:48:

In Reply to: looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade posted by jason whyte on December 08, 2000 at 18:58:14:

Try the Canadian Access To Firearms paper .

looking for a winchester 101 pigion grade

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Posted by jason whyte on December 08, 2000 at 18:58:14:

looking for anything in the 101 series thanks in advance

Outboard Motors and duckhunting

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Posted by Brent on December 08, 2000 at 15:00:51:

As far as waterfowl hunting from a boat, the only stipulations I can find are that the motor must be shut off and forward propulsion stopped. I don't see where it says the motor must be out of the water. Does anyone know any different??

Thanks, Brent

Re: Woodcock

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Posted by EJ on December 08, 2000 at 13:57:08:

In Reply to: Woodcock posted by Jack on November 06, 2000 at 16:00:04:

Jack:

I hunt woodcock and grouse every year, same area, about the same amount of effort, with the same springer. I keep careful records of woodcock, and I can tell you that this was an exceptionally poor woodcock year for us.

There were the regular numbers of what I call resident birds -- the ones we encounter in September, but the larger migrations we normally expect in early October did not materialize. I think it was weather related -- no sudden frost to drive'em south en masse?

I would be interested in others' thoughts on woodcock this year.

Re: Sinkboxes - legal or illegal???

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Posted by EJ on December 08, 2000 at 11:53:12:

In Reply to: Sinkboxes - legal or illegal??? posted by Brent on December 06, 2000 at 17:58:55:

Nothing in the Migratory Bird Convention Act or regulations restricts the use of sinkboxes. But keep in mind that a hunter has to have a means of retrieval, which might present a design challenge to provide for dog access or a means of propulsion/retrieval, or some other arrangement to retrieve for the guy(s) in the sinkbox.

Re: Late season grouse and rabbits

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Posted by Jack on December 08, 2000 at 07:43:36:

In Reply to: Late season grouse and rabbits posted by Dave on December 07, 2000 at 22:17:03:

Best success without a dog is to hunt after snow is on the ground. Look for tracks, special attention should be given to heavy cover, ie brush piles, frozen bull rushs. Be ready for quick fast shooting. You can be more successful if you are with a friend, as you can push through the cover with your friend watching escape routes. Good luck

Late season grouse and rabbits

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Posted by Dave on December 07, 2000 at 22:17:03:

Anybody been out for grouse or rabbit lately? What's the best way to hunt rabbit without a dog this time of year? Where do they tend to hide?

Re: gun reviews

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Posted by Matt Ende on December 07, 2000 at 21:22:09:

In Reply to: gun reviews posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 14:35:51:

All seem like sound choices, even the .22 Mag. I think that the Remington is a better deal than the Ruger as far as the .22 Mag goes. I think if you want a Beretta double, you should by-bass the econo-line Onyx and take a look at the Whitewing, Ultralight and Silver Pigeon. You didn't mention whether you need a 3" gun or not, maybe one of the lighter field-grade 12s in 2.75" would suit you better, or a 3" 20 guage. The Ruger Red Label is also in the same price range, and If you take a close look at it you may find it fits better than the Beretta. Stay away from the Brownings. Here's my list of wants and needs for 2001 -

1. Beretta a391, 26" 12g, Wetlands camo

2. Remington 40X - .300 Winchester

3. Get my Ruger 10/22 back off Dave, who's had it for about 2 years now...

Re: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors

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Posted by Nimrod on December 07, 2000 at 14:34:09:

In Reply to: Re: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors posted by Brent on December 06, 2000 at 17:43:55:

Indeed, the Migratory Game Bird Act (or whatever may have replaced it) is a federal statute. I don't recall sinkboxes being outlawed under that Act, but I haven't looked at it in a few years.

Re: gun reviews

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Posted by Nimrod on December 07, 2000 at 14:28:58:

In Reply to: Re: gun reviews posted by TDC on December 07, 2000 at 10:08:48:

I read a lot of O'Connor too. A good friend of mine knew him, hunted with him a couple of times and even has a few of his rifles. I have a custom leather ammo pouch that belonged to O'Connor.

As for the gun, I am not sure whether the "Classic" pre-64 style action of today is the same as the original. However, now that I think about it, I briefly owned a stainless 70 Featherweight in .22/250 when they first came out a couple of years ago. Didn't care for the safety, and the magazine release needed some 'smithing, but other than that, nice gun.

I had a chance a few years ago to guy a nice condition pre-64 in .30/06 for, I think, $600. Still kicking myself over that one!

Re: gun reviews

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Posted by TDC on December 07, 2000 at 10:08:48:

In Reply to: gun reviews posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 14:35:51:

Nimrod ,want one of the Model 70 Featherweights myself and have wanted one for years. They are the best looking rifle around in my book but then again I grew reading too much Jack O'Conner hence I grew up wanting a .270 Model 70 so bad I could taste it. Last year at the end of the year Rick Jamison of Shooting Times magazine named this gun as gun of the century........TDC

Re: Sinkboxes - legal or illegal??? LEGAL!!!

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Posted by Braden on December 07, 2000 at 00:32:20:

In Reply to: Sinkboxes - legal or illegal??? posted by Brent on December 06, 2000 at 17:58:55:

Go to the top of the page and to the ask the CO site, then go to the FAQ section, and click on the game section. Scroll down to question 87. They are legal in ontario, as long as all provincial laws are complied with, including restrictions on offshore hunting in some areas, etc.

Braden

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Kevin on December 06, 2000 at 19:50:39:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Wisky on December 06, 2000 at 19:20:06:

Canada or U.S?

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Wisky on December 06, 2000 at 19:20:06:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Kevin on December 04, 2000 at 14:00:25:

Thanks for the help. Any idea where to buy the home tanning kits?

Sinkboxes - legal or illegal???

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2000 at 17:58:55:

Still trying to confirm this. I have spoken to several serious waterfowlers across Canada and in the U.S. They all believe that the only place sinkboxes are legal is in Quebec and Nova Scotia. They are illegal everywhere in the U.S.

Will keep you posted.

Brent

Re: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2000 at 17:43:55:

In Reply to: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 14:23:36:

A sink box is the same idea as a pit blind. It has a compartment for the hunters. The box is usually made out of metal and has flaps or wings that fold out along the surface of the water. There is a pulley/chain system attached to a large anchor which is used to crank the box down close to water level. The wings, lay out 2-3 feet across the surface to help displace waves.

Sink boxes are usually put out for the season. When not hunting, the wings fold in similar to closing a cardboard box. The are usually locked and some type of light is left on the box to alert others so it is not run in to. As previously mentioned steel or iron decoys are sometimes placed on the wings to help keep it down.

A layout boat is a small boat. Old ones usually made out of wood and new ones made out of fibreglass. There are different styles, but the most popular is probably a pumpkin seed. Which is named after the shape. The boat is transported to the hunting site inside a larger tender boat or towed out. It is then anchored with a rig of decoys. The hunter is "laying down" at approx. a 45 degee angle, sitting up to shoot. With a sinkbox, the hunter(s) is usually standing or sitting.

I have always been under the understanding that sinkboxes were illegal with the exception of Quebec and possibly the Maritimes. I have never heard of one in Ontario. I am trying to find out still. The "Ask the C.O" stated they were legal. I have a suspicion they are not, but it may be a federal law. I will post when I can confirm either way.

B.

Re: What is a sink box?

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Posted by Kevin on December 06, 2000 at 17:40:41:

In Reply to: Re: What is a sink box? posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 11:17:56:

Fischer, sorry about the confusion,now we both know! IMG

Re: gun reviews

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on December 06, 2000 at 12:15:10:

In Reply to: gun reviews posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 14:35:51:

I can only tell you about the first 2. The Guide Gun is easy handling and accurate. I've loaded 350 gr Hornadys and 405 gr Rems and both group around an inch at 100 yds. Recoil is not a problem. The porting takes care of excess punch. It's loud on the firing line. Even more so if you are shooting from a covered line. I don't think anyone has to adress its potency. Nothing on the continent is too much for a 45/70.

WRT the 597, I can only tell you that if it works, it works. There have been a number of reutrns because of faulty feeding and a few other troubles. IMO, you'd probably be better off with a Ruger.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

Re: What is a sink box?

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Posted by Braden on December 06, 2000 at 11:19:59:

In Reply to: Re: What is a sink box? posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 11:17:56:

Fischer, that is a pit blind, that is to be dug in. A sink box is just as shooter described it, and was used regularily in the old market hunting days. According to tales, they accounted for a lot of drownings.

Re: What is a sink box?

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Posted by Shooter on December 06, 2000 at 00:06:16:

In Reply to: Re: What is a sink box? posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 08:31:31:

water sinks looked a lot like layout boats.... and were often weighed down with cast iron decoys so that the rim of the layout boat or sinkbox was within inches of the waterline. very effective for killing but many hunters were killed as well. if i can find a picture of one, i will post it somewhere. btw, the old cast iron decoys are very rare and $$$$$!!!

shooter

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by David C. on December 05, 2000 at 17:46:49:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

Here is the responses I received from the OHAH and the MNR....Interesting, the MNR says it is a municipal decision... David:

Hunting has been closed on Sundays in most of Ontario for something like more than a century. While it might have complemented provincial wildlife conservation measures way back when game was scarce, it was not implemented for that reason. Instead, I believe it was a product of the Dominion Lord's Day Act of 1845 (ammended 1907).

Sunday ultimately hunting falls within Municipal powers, not provincial. If a municipality was to resolve to permit hunting with guns on Sundays, I beleive it would be respected by the Province, and the regulations changed accordingly.

This has been an issue for O.F.A.H. members for decades. Since 1988 the O.F.A.H. has advised the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources that the O.F.A.H. is in favour of expanded opportunities for hunting on Sundays during legal hunting seasons, wherever the local municipality is similarly in favour.

'Hope this helps.

Yours in Conservation, Ed Reid, Biologist

Hi David:

The regulation prohibiting hunting on Sunday is not one of the Ministry of Natural Resources regulations but is instead a municipal regulation. If you have any reservations about this regulation I would suggest that you contact the local MNR district office for your area and they will be able to direct you to the approriate municipal authority. If you have any further questions please contact the MNR information centre at 1-800-667-1940.

NRIC-web reader-jm ************************************** Natural Resources Information Centre 300 Water St. Peterborough, ON K9J 8M5 phone:(416)314-2000 or 1-800-667-1940 fax: (705)755-1677 mnr.nric@mnr.gov.on.ca

Re: Late season deer

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Posted by Steve on December 05, 2000 at 16:16:47:

In Reply to: Late season deer posted by Kern on December 05, 2000 at 13:35:34:

Hi Kern

I hunt in 73 as well and I've found around here that if you find standing corn in December, it's a magnet for deer. Don't count on too much rutting activity. Hunt the food sources and trails leading up to them.

Re: Late season deer

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Posted by Kevin on December 05, 2000 at 15:35:26:

In Reply to: Late season deer posted by Kern on December 05, 2000 at 13:35:34:

Kern; They`ll be starting to yard soon, I would look for areas with cedar because it gives them good shelter and they will also browse on it.

gun reviews

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Posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 14:35:51:

The following is my wish/shopping list for the coming year. Any insight, good or bad, on any of the following would be greatly appreciated:

1. Marlin Guide Gun in .45/70. Anyone know whether this comes in stainless? 2. Remington 597 in .22 WMR. 3. Winchester 70 Featherweight Classic in .270 Win. 4. Beretta 686 Onyx over-under 12 Gauge.

Thanx for your input.

Late season deer

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Posted by Kern on December 05, 2000 at 13:35:34:

Anyone still trying to fill a tag?? I didnt get out to much during the shotgun hunt and as a result still have a doe tag to fill. Anyone have any tips?? What kind of food will they be sourcing now?? Has all rutting activity stopped with the snow and cold we have now?? Im in WMU 73.

Thanks Kern

Re: What is a sink box?

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Posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 11:17:56:

In Reply to: Re: What is a sink box? posted by Kevin on December 05, 2000 at 11:02:39:

Thanx, Kevin.

Not exactly something you'd haul into a public marsh for a day's hunting, but certainly handy if you've got private property you can hunt regularly.

Re: What is a sink box?

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Posted by Kevin on December 05, 2000 at 11:02:39:

In Reply to: Re: What is a sink box? posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 08:31:31:

Pit Blinds

Re: Guided bear hunt in 2001?

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Posted by Kevin on December 05, 2000 at 10:22:09:

In Reply to: Re: Guided bear hunt in 2001? posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 08:55:27:

Every district has BMA`s that are registered with the MNR, one idea would be to call the MNR in the district you wish to hunt, get the names of the BMA managers in that district and contact them for price and other info.

Now to spare the expense you might consider driving the clear cuts and glassing then at daybreak and dusk use a predator call and call the clearings but a little prescouting wouldn`t hurt.

Re: which Alliance member did they support?

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Posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 09:04:41:

In Reply to: Re: which Alliance member did they support? posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 08:57:22:

You're right, Nimrod. They encouraged their members to get involved with the process, attend all candidates meetings and make their concerns known, then to vote for the candidate who best represented their views (most likely the Alliance candidate).

I don't think they were going to go so far as to openly endorse the Alliance. I think that could create some problems from a non-profit corporations perspective (political lobbying), not that it seems to scare the animal rights groups. Though the IFAW did close up shop and move to the US after Revenue Canada took a close look at how they were using their charitable donations.

Re: which Alliance member did they support?

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Posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 08:57:22:

In Reply to: which Alliance member did they support? posted by Rob S on December 04, 2000 at 21:35:15:

What is your point? I think the OFHA did all but come right out and say, "Vote Alliance"!

Re: Guided bear hunt in 2001?

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Posted by Nimrod on December 05, 2000 at 08:55:27:

In Reply to: Re: Guided bear hunt in 2001? posted by Kevin on December 04, 2000 at 18:42:05:

Certainly with only a day or two to hunt, I would need to be sitting on a hot bait. I am wondering if anyone knows specific guides/outfitters. Thanx in advance.

Re: What is a sink box?

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Posted by Fischer on December 05, 2000 at 08:31:31:

In Reply to: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 14:23:36:

How about helping some of us less active duck-hunters and neophytes out?

Re: Help want to display a picture

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Posted by Huntsman on December 05, 2000 at 00:54:52:

In Reply to: Help want to display a picture posted by Ray Struthers on December 04, 2000 at 07:54:14:

You need a program like Photo Deluxe. Open the scanned picture in that program. Reduce the resolution to 72 ppi. Convert to jpeg format. Save it on a floppy and you can e-mail it as an attachment.

Re: Sunday Hunting - My reactions to some responses

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Posted by blackwolf on December 04, 2000 at 22:52:31:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting - My reactions to some responses posted by Brent on December 04, 2000 at 12:49:49:

I was trying to say the original reason for the non discharge of a firearm in southern ontario,was a day not of rest but of peace, and maybe some should remember our past for if we forget the past are doomed to repeat it! We should go for it if you feel so inclined, however,I still subscribe to: we should move in well calculated moves so that we do NOT start something that we might lose more of our rights and privelages!!!

which Alliance member did they support?

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Posted by Rob S on December 04, 2000 at 21:35:39:

The OFHA , who did they publicly come out and endorse on behalf of us re C-68 I mean during the election? leave what sunday hunting we enjoy now alone! if not they will surely screw us out of that too! OFHA HA!

which Alliance member did they support?

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Posted by Rob S on December 04, 2000 at 21:35:15:

The OFHA , who did they publicly come out and endorse on behalf of us re C-68 I mean during the election? leave what sunday hunting we enjoy now alone! if not they will surely screw us out of that too! OFHA HA!

Re: back from green head hunt

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Posted by Matt Ende on December 04, 2000 at 20:33:47:

In Reply to: back from green head hunt posted by Ray Struthers on December 02, 2000 at 12:20:58:

I'd wait till you get a big 4 curler.

Re: Buffalo/NF area gun shops?

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Posted by Matt Ende on December 04, 2000 at 20:29:32:

In Reply to: Buffalo/NF area gun shops? posted by Fischer on December 04, 2000 at 11:53:33:

BufFalo Gun Centre, at Harlem Road in Buffalo has a huge selection of guns, ammo, and related items. You won't believe it when you see it! Galyan's, in the Walden Galleria Mall, has the same, as well as a large selection of clothing. Both of these stores are huge and highly recommended. The Walmarts are good too, especially towards the end of the season and everything is about 75% off.

Re: Guided bear hunt in 2001?

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Posted by Kevin on December 04, 2000 at 18:42:05:

In Reply to: Guided bear hunt in 2001? posted by Nimrod on December 04, 2000 at 17:32:49:

The bears are >b>thickeverywhere in northern Ontario.

I would say the choice is yours.

Now if you want someone to pre bait for you then it will add to the cost.

Guided bear hunt in 2001?

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Posted by Nimrod on December 04, 2000 at 17:32:49:

I now have 3 deer and 2 moose to my credit, but no bears. In fact, I have never even been bear hunting. I have decided that that is a priority for next year. Not looking for a big production (i.e. cost), so just a day or two guided hunt not too far north (North Bay is about the limit), with a decent chance at a decent bruin. Suggestions?

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Nimrod on December 04, 2000 at 17:25:33:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

Ironically, the guy who fought for Sunday shopping, Paul Magder, was a furrier, and he went out of business in the end, I'm sure due in no small part to all the court costs and fines.

The business about the critters needing a day of rest is the silliest thing I've ever heard! Do foxes, wolves, coyotes and owls give the "critter" a day off?

If there is some way that we could get this changed quietly...?

Re: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors

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Posted by Nimrod on December 04, 2000 at 17:16:20:

In Reply to: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 14:23:36:

As far as I know, Braden is right on. No reason that I know of why sink boxes should not be legal.

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Kevin on December 04, 2000 at 14:00:25:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Wisky on December 04, 2000 at 12:53:30:

Tanning for wall hangers is easy,breaking the hide after the tanning is very labour intensive and difficult with thick skins. For a nice easy project I would suggest something much smaller and let the pro`s tan and break the deer hide for you. They use fleshing machines that thin the hide and it results in a nice soft pliable hide for garment material. I would also suggest you buy a self tan kit, it will have instructions and the items you will require to tan a hide hair on or off. There are methods such as a bark or brain tan but it`s not worth the hassle in my opinion.

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Wisky on December 04, 2000 at 12:53:30:

In Reply to: Re: Tanning Hides posted by Kevin on December 02, 2000 at 19:27:50:

Garment. Furless leather typical of mocassins, vests etc.

If you have info for wall hanging though it may come in handy in future!

Thx. in advance.

Sunday Hunting - My reactions to some responses

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Posted by Brent on December 04, 2000 at 12:49:49:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

As far as a day of rest/peace, why then can we bowhunt, target shoot, hunt on pheasant farms or hunt up North on Sundays???

As far as not wanting to upset the anti's and perhaps lose more hunting rights as someone responded, I refuse to sit and wait, while they little by little take away what we have left.

As far as I am concerned we should go for it, and show we plan on fighting for our rights. Sitting around doing and saying nothing has down just that for us.......NOTHING!!!

Perfect case in point of this is the future loss of the duck hunt at Presqui'le Provincial Park. We did nothing, and soon the hunt will be gone. The naturalists took a stand and were vocal and will win. Also, look at the bear hunt. Our fight was too little too late.

Just my two cents, Brent

Buffalo/NF area gun shops?

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Posted by Fischer on December 04, 2000 at 11:53:33:

Anybody know of any shops that are close to the border? Thought I'd have a look next time I'm over, just to compare prices on a few things.

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Gunnermca on December 04, 2000 at 08:51:45:

In Reply to: Re: Sunday Hunting posted by B McCann on December 02, 2000 at 16:28:16:

I posted this question to the "Ask the CO" page and this was their response:

Question 35:

Why in this day and age of "free for all" Sundays, what with malls, stores, beer/liquor stores, etc. being open, are we not allowed to gun hunt on a Sunday in the area south of the Fench/Mattawa River area (other than the few exceptions as listed in the regulations)?

What is the reasonong behind this and is there any hope of this changing in the near future?

How do the exceptions in the regulations (Northumberland Cty, Renfrew Cty, etc.) allow this and not everywhere else?

Asked on November 29/99

Answer from the MNR:

This is a regulation with a long history going back to the blue laws days, in which the decisions to allow or not allow activities on Sunday (hunting, movie theatres, store opening, etc.) was almost literally a township by township decision. These regulations, like all regulations, are subject to change. However, you must realize that hunters only make up less than 10% of the population. Others may feel that they have a right to enjoy public areas as well and would likely prefer to engage in their activity (be that hiking, outdoor photography, mushroom picking,) in a non-hunting atmosphere. There has also traditionally been a fair chase argument which suggests that the critters, too, deserve a day of rest.

Re: Day of Peace

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Posted by Fischer on December 04, 2000 at 08:35:10:

In Reply to: Re: Sunday Hunting posted by Vince on December 03, 2000 at 10:11:52:

I think someone put a question to the "Ask the CO" about hunting on Sunday, or perhaps it was the closed days in Luther Marsh. Part of the response was the "day of rest" line.

Guess when animals have rights they'll also go to church.

Help want to display a picture

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Posted by Ray Struthers on December 04, 2000 at 07:54:14:

can someone please tell me what i need to do to show off some of my deer hunt and duck hunting pictures. I have a scaner but can't figure out the rest lol. also would love to see pictures of other hunters succsefull hunts after all as long as we are hunting or fishing and not at work it is a seccsefull trip to me.

Re: back from green head hunt

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Posted by Allen on December 03, 2000 at 21:45:45:

In Reply to: back from green head hunt posted by Ray Struthers on December 02, 2000 at 12:20:58:

I know they taste good.

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by blackwolf on December 03, 2000 at 20:14:54:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

I realy don't know how I personally feel about sunday hunting. If I want to hunt on sunday, I'll use archery equipment. If I'm not mistaken, the original law was drafted because a lot of the settlers in rural ont were methodist who have no widely joined the united church, it was ment as a day of "peace". When they tried to eliminate the law after the wwii, soldiers, protested. If we try to change the law now, will that bring on a reprecussion from the anti-hunting lobby and maybe lose more of ur rights and priveledges that we currently enjoy? we should think long and hard on this subject.Maybe toss it around the media to see what type of reaction we would receive from the public.These are volitile times for us hunters with enough of the Gov't already trying to take away our rights and our guns. A lot of John Q Public may not view hunting like sunday shopping, we should move with caution.

Re: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors

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Posted by Braden on December 03, 2000 at 20:02:18:

In Reply to: MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 14:23:36:

While I can't comment on the sinkboxes, as far as I understand the rule is anchored with your motor up. Note that this rule only applys to motorized watercraft. Boats w/o motors do not have to be anchored ie: you can jump shoot from a canoe.

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by David C. on December 03, 2000 at 19:00:40:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

Today I e-mailed the ofah, Ministry and my MP on why Sunday hunting is not available and if there are plans to change the current law. I'll post the replys....In fact, why don't we all do it? Let's go!

hell you are bad you bring pepsi that is BAD

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Posted by chessy on December 03, 2000 at 14:55:27:

In Reply to: Blind Etiquette posted by sparky on November 16, 2000 at 00:51:40:

nm

Re: Sunday Hunting - email the OFAH to try and get their support

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Posted by brent on December 03, 2000 at 12:49:24:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

What are your thoughts on this. If we keep posting this here, so everyone sees it and everyone gets their hunting buddies in on it, we could probably show a pretty good number.

Sounds like a good thought to me.

Brent

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Kern on December 03, 2000 at 12:45:28:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

This has already been brought up on the Ask the Co page. Basically, there hasnt been enough people askin that the sunday rule be revisited. Consider what percentage of the population hunts compared to how many like sunday shopping! Also keep in mind as hunters we tend to be a quiet bunch. All we would have to do is get behind the OFAH to have them lobby the provincial govt. Perhaps we should all start an emailing campain to the OFAH and get their position on the matter.

Kern

Re: Hunting gear

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Posted by blackwolf on December 03, 2000 at 10:25:22:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting gear posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:51:18:

Golden retreiver is a subsiduary of Golden aris, ca'nt remember the street adress but they are one street north of egglington, and one block east of duffrin, or whatever yorkdale mall is on sorry I don't get to big smoke much these days, you should be able to find them in the uniform section of the yellow pages.

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Vince on December 03, 2000 at 10:11:52:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

That would definately be ideal. I don't remember where I heard this but someone once told me that the animals themselves need a day of peace, and if I remember correctly my reaction to that was a loud laugh.

This would be a good question to ask the CO.

Play safe, Vince

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Jack on December 03, 2000 at 08:15:45:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

I'm with you. I live in Niagara and because of the density of population can tolerate the Sunday ban. But more over I also own property in a remote area east of South River. It is a @#$% off when I travel there and can not hunt on Sunday. I know that if I was able to hunt Sunday that I would have more frequent visits, spend more dollars, and encourage friends to join me.

If this Sunday rule was reviewed so that rural areas, with low population could enjoy the sport and econical benifits from it , I for one would be appreciative.

Also strange, I can travel 20 minutes, cross an international border, hunt as a non resident and hunt Sunday. Note also that we are welcome, that hunter orange is "appreciated", and one can still carry a deer on the roof of his vehicle with out having the "Trudeau finger" flexed at us. I don't think Hillary Clinton is going to be able to change this practice.

Re: Hunting gear

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Posted by Jack on December 03, 2000 at 08:00:57:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting gear posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:51:18:

As of dec 3 there has been no responce to where these great deals are. I'm beginning to think that he is one that would exagerate about thesize of the game they harvested. Just food for thought. But like you , I would appeciate knowing where.

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Sunday Househusband on December 02, 2000 at 20:53:34:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

I also could not figure out why this rule was in place until I had discussions with an anti hunter. Her arguement was that Sunday was the only day that she could go for a safe walk through the bush.

Thought all hunters know how silly this arguement is, I can understand why a person who is ignorant to hunting can feel this way.

As for comparing the rule change to Sunday shopping - the same people who changed the shopping law are the same people who don't want hunting. I don't think we have a chance

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Alain on December 02, 2000 at 20:10:38:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

I agree Being from northern Ontario and Moving to eastern Ontario, I found it very hard to get used to it. Why , Why is this law in effect,? I also think it should be revued If we can get more people to respond to this comment I think we would see how many are serioulsy seing the need for this law to be amended. I don't know about the rest of you but with work and all it would give me an extra day of hunting when i really only had one!!

Re: Tanning Hides

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Posted by Kevin on December 02, 2000 at 19:27:50:

In Reply to: Tanning Hides posted by Wisky on December 02, 2000 at 14:52:55:

What are you using the tanned hide for? Wall hanger or garment?

Re: Sunday Hunting

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Posted by B McCann on December 02, 2000 at 16:28:16:

In Reply to: Sunday Hunting posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

The laws have changed regarding Sunday shopping why not hunting?

Tanning Hides

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Posted by Wisky on December 02, 2000 at 14:52:55:

I was lucky enough to bag a nice 8 point buck last week and enlisted my 9 year old son to help me scrape and salt the hide.

All my life I wanted to know how to properly tan a hide.

Anybody out there know a good home method. I thought I would use the occasion as a father son thing.

MNR - FAQ - sink boxes in Ontario and O/B motors

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Posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 14:23:36:

I saw a couple of questions in the MNR-FAQ which surprised me.

One stated that sinkboxes were legal in Ontario??????

Another stated that an o/b motor had to be raised while hunting waterfowl and boat had to be anchored?? Thought the law had changed so motor could be in water as long as not running and no forward motion?? Would all boats have to be anchored?? Canoes and scull boats for jump shooting??

Thoughts?? Brent

Sunday Hunting

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Posted by Brent on December 02, 2000 at 13:46:52:

Does anyone know why Sunday hunting is not allowed??????

The following are the exceptions to this rule:

Bowhunting, Target shooting, Pheasant farm hunting, North of the French River, a couple townships.

It seems whatever the reason, it is probably outdated??

I think that we should somehow (maybe through the OFAH) try and get this law/rule changed. Lots of states and other provinces have Sunday hunting.

Instead of always sitting back and losing areas to hunts, more restrictions, gun registrations etc, we should go after something for a change.

All thoughts welcome, Brent

back from green head hunt

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Posted by Ray Struthers on December 02, 2000 at 12:20:58:

well just to let u guy's know. Had a great hunt and agreat time seen hundreds of brids and lots of deer shot a really nice greenhead frist bird of the day and he's going on the wall.I think he' fully plumage has 3 curls on his back tail fealthers. what do u guy's know about mature green head's ?

Re: late green head hunt on wolf Island

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Posted by bowhunter on December 01, 2000 at 12:53:06:

In Reply to: Re: late green head hunt on wolf Island posted by Curious on November 30, 2000 at 17:32:04:

Wolfe Island is the most eastward of the 1000 Islands in the St. Lawrence River. It actually lies where Lake Ontario meets the St. Lawrence, directly south of Kingston, Ont. Not only is it a fantastic waterfowling location but it supports a healthy deer heard providing great bow hunting. Unfortuneatly, there is only one piece of crown land on the island. It is surrounded by private property, so boat access is the only way to get there. Boating to this location, means venturing out into the open waters of Lake Ontario. Treacherous at anytime of year, but more so in the fall. Just 3 ago weeks 3 duck hunters, had their boat capsize and perished in the bone chilling waters of the lake, while returning from a hunting trip on the island.

Re: late green head hunt on wolf Island

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Posted by Curious on November 30, 2000 at 17:32:04:

In Reply to: late green head hunt on wolf Island posted by ray struthers on November 30, 2000 at 03:44:20:

Where is Wolf Island?

Re: late green head hunt on wolf Island

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Posted by Curious on November 30, 2000 at 17:30:21:

In Reply to: late green head hunt on wolf Island posted by ray struthers on November 30, 2000 at 03:44:20:

Where is Wolf Island?

303british.com - December Update

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 30, 2000 at 16:09:40:

The final page for 2000 is up. What's on it?

215 Grain Bullets - Where you can get them, websites.

Christmas Book Deal - Curious about the 303 Epps? Got a 303 British? Need a maintenance manual or load data? Is your stocking still empty? It won't be for long! Santa's going to be busy!

On Target Shooting Supplies - Jeff Babineau has some goodies for you!

Happy Holidays & Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: Guns stolen, police worried?

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Posted by Kevin on November 30, 2000 at 12:50:10:

In Reply to: Guns stolen, police worried? posted by Kevin on November 29, 2000 at 19:51:29:

... or maybe I should say they WERE registered.
Hopefully the criminals that took them will re-register these stolen guns so the Liberals will know where they are. HA

A Local Positive Light on Deer Hunting

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Posted by Ken Flieger on November 30, 2000 at 11:53:10:

I came across this article on the positive influence that deer hunting and hunters have on small communities around Ontario. Something you may want to share when you have to endure some people's negativity. http://www.inkingston.com/lolnw/deer_hunting.htm

So, how many of you just became instant criminals?

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Posted by Fischer on November 30, 2000 at 11:51:06:

Read here about the latest fiasco resulting from C-68. You may be the owner of a prohibited weapon and you don't even know it.

http://nfanow.com/

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by blackwolf on November 30, 2000 at 08:09:42:

In Reply to: Re: Make them pay! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:53:13:

My wife came up with a good one. She suggests that we hunters should march on parliament hill, I know its been done with no one noticing, but with a new twist.She suggests that we should carry the firearms that they want to eventually take away from us, and of course be prepared to show them the amunition, all locked up, carried safely. She tends to believe that someone just might take notice of a million peace full, armed, demonstrators marching on Parliament hill.Something tells me that the police would not be pepper spraying us, I have a feeling that the police would feel that upsetting us would not bennefit their health.And I'm sure that the "honourable" members of parliament just might finally take notice of us! Just a lesson from Roman and Greek history that the Mob does rule! What if ?????

late green head hunt on wolf Island

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Posted by ray struthers on November 30, 2000 at 03:44:20:

goin to blast some green heads on friday with a buddy of mine. anyone eles going duck hunting this week ?if you do good luck and safe hunting

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by ray struthers on November 30, 2000 at 03:38:08:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

good luck finding your gun the important thing to remmber is that it is your gun eighter remmington or browning good and bad in them all boys . I shot remm but i am comfortable with them and will put it up against any gun but it is my gun. good luck and let me know how it works.

Guns stolen, police worried?

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Posted by Kevin on November 29, 2000 at 19:51:29:

FIREARMS STOLEN IN BREAK-IN WORRY COPS ... Manitoba

City police are worried now that 14 handguns and two rifles are in the wrong hands after burglars shouldered their way into a North End home and bagged a man's firearms collection.

"That's a lot of firepower that's now on the street. And we're making this break-in public because people ought to know that," Det.-Sgt. Ron Oliver said. "Unfortunately, there's not much else to say with the investigation really just starting."

So what`s the problem, they`re REGISTERED

Re: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

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Posted by Nimrod on November 29, 2000 at 15:06:07:

In Reply to: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 08:27:27:

Congratulations Fischer. Sounds like a beauty. I had my best fall as well. I got a 7pt buck on opening day of the shotgun hunt around Cambridge, and then I got a doe in New York State this past Saturday.

Re: Bears in cities

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Posted by Kevin on November 28, 2000 at 23:43:11:

In Reply to: Re: Bears in cities posted by Kern on November 28, 2000 at 22:21:28:

Kern; The people are fed up and are shooting the bears and not reporting the incidents, not that I blame them because there`s little doubt they would be charged.

There are bears everywhere! Some municipalities are closing their dumps(landfills) and the bears are coming into the city to forage and scrounge.

I talked to a guy this summer that had a bear coming to his house, he tried scaring it away with a .22 rimfire(the only gun he owns) but it kept hanging around so the idiot shot it in the hind quarter.

The police even avoid the bear calls because when they shoot them they catch hell from all sides, they are damned if they do and damned if they don`t.

Many camps are demolished each year by bears and it`s costing everyone except the people who fought for the ban on the spring hunt.

It`s just a matter of time before someone gets mauled up here.

Took my wife to the beach last summer and was warned to stay close to the park because a guy had a bear crawl all over his car right there while he was in it and that`s in the city!

We are being governed by imbeciles!

Re: Bears in cities

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Posted by Kern on November 28, 2000 at 22:21:28:

In Reply to: Re: voted LIberal? bear the blame and the SHAME posted by Kevin on November 28, 2000 at 21:13:12:

Hey Kevin, Sounds like things are getting bad up there. If the cops have stopped shooting them, are they also looking the other way to people taking care of things on their own?? Not that I condone people taking the law into their own hands, but if im in the back yard and a bear decides to join me, Ill shoot first and ask questions latter....have charges been laid against joe public for this kind of stuff??

Re: voted LIberal? bear the blame and the SHAME

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Posted by Kern on November 28, 2000 at 22:03:52:

In Reply to: voted LIberal? bear the blame and the SHAME posted by Rob S on November 28, 2000 at 20:06:32:

Sad day indeed...if were lucky the Libs will call another early early one and we will have another kick at the can.

Re: Squrrill Hunting

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Posted by wicket on November 28, 2000 at 21:52:48:

In Reply to: Re: Squrrill Hunting posted by David C. on November 25, 2000 at 12:00:18:

cut the skin on the back and peel back in opposite directions. I eat the all 4 quarters of the squirrel, they are just too good not to.

Re: voted LIberal? bear the blame and the SHAME

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Posted by Kevin on November 28, 2000 at 21:13:12:

In Reply to: voted LIberal? bear the blame and the SHAME posted by Rob S on November 28, 2000 at 20:06:32:

My Response

voted LIberal? bear the blame and the SHAME

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Posted by Rob S on November 28, 2000 at 20:06:32:

sad day for this country, f F--ing liars all of them!

Anne McLellan Wins

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Posted by John Mastrandrea on November 28, 2000 at 18:21:01:

It's a sad day for sportsmen...... Let's not split the vote next time, vote Alliance.

Here are the final results in Edmonton west: Anne McLellan Liberal Party of Canada 21,960 45% Betty Unger Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance 21,190 43.4% Rory Koopmans Progressive Conservative Party 2,992 6.1% Richard Vanderberg New Democratic Party 2,920 6% Dan Parker Canadian Action Party 358 0.7% Peggy Morton Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada 195 0.4%

Re: Annie Lost her Guns!!

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Posted by Kevin on November 28, 2000 at 12:11:26:

In Reply to: Re: Annie Lost her Guns!! posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:54:21:

DA; The hill is always the hardest to take, we haven`t lost it, we`ll just take another run at it in four years.
This isn`t the end, it`s just a new beginning!
Start lining up behind Stokes, Be A Stokes .

Re: Annie Lost her Guns!!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:54:21:

In Reply to: Re: Annie Lost her Guns!! posted by Kevin on November 28, 2000 at 11:25:04:

Good one Kevin, but unfortunately a day late!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:53:13:

In Reply to: Re: Make them pay! posted by blackwolf on November 28, 2000 at 08:17:18:

An opinion shared by many but unfortunately not enough of us!!!!!!!!! Time for an armed rebellion......just kidding of course.....or am I????????

Re: Hunting gear

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 11:51:18:

In Reply to: Hunting gear posted by blackwolf on November 28, 2000 at 08:02:16:

How about posting the address............

Re: Annie Lost her Guns!!

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Posted by Kevin on November 28, 2000 at 11:25:04:

In Reply to: Annie Lost her Guns!! posted by Screemin Reel on November 28, 2000 at 08:58:37:

FYI from David Stokes:

My name is David Stokes. I am a Canadian.

One voter out of millions of Canadian voters.

Jean Chretien is no friend of mine.
Jean Chretien has not made my life any better.
Jean Chretien has not helped my wife.
Jean Chretien has made the future worse for my children.
Jean Chretien became Prime Minister 7 years ago.

Since 1993:
(1) My taxes have increased.
(2) My family's share of the national debt has increased.
(3) My personal expenses have increased.
(4) My waiting time to see a doctor has increased.
(5) My concerns for my family's safety have increased.
(6) My costs to educate my children have increased.
(7) Government interference in my life has increased.
(8) My personal debt has increased.
(9) My income has stayed more or less the same.
(10) My savings have decreased.
(11) The buying power of my dollar, in Canada, has decreased.
(12) The value of my dollar, in the U.S., has decreased.
(13) My trust of elected officials has decreased.
(14) My trust in the justice system has decreased.
(15) My trust in the immigration system has decreased.
(16) My hope that Jean Chretien won't waste my tax dollars has decreased.
(17) My dreams for a better future for my kids, in Canada, have disappeared.

That is my story since Jean Chretien became Prime Minister.

I am not voting for Jean Chretien's Liberals.
I am voting against Jean Chretien on Nov. 27.
I am voting for the Canadian Alliance.

Do I like the Canadian Alliance? Not particularly.
I am not political by nature.
I am not passionate about politics.
I am a middle age guy (49).
I live in a small house on a fairly quiet street in Toronto.
I have a wife, Dorothy, and two children (ages 21 and 18).
I have a few cats.
I am a middle class man.
I don't usually say too much. Until now.
Now I am going to say something!

In 31 of the past 33 years, Canada has been ruled by:
(1) Pierre Trudeau - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
(2) Brian Mulroney - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.
(3) Jean Chretien - a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.

The leader of the Canadian Alliance party, Stockwell Day, is:
(1) Not a lawyer.
(2) Not a multi-millionaire.
(3) Not from Quebec.

Stockwell Day says that the Canadian Alliance party will:
(1) Reduce my taxes.
(2) Pay off the national debt as fast as they can.
(3) Shrink the size and influence of the federal government.

That's good enough for me.
I'm going to give the Canadian Alliance a chance with my vote.
But wait!

Jean Chretien is now saying the same thing.

My mother told me forty years ago:
"Fool me once - shame on you.
Fool me twice - shame on me!"

Jean Chretien has had 30 years to be financially responsible. Remember, Jean Chretien was Trudeau's Finance Minister. Jean Chretien has been raising my taxes for thirty years. Jean Chretien has been mis-spending my tax dollars for 30 years. 30 years!

And now Jean Chretien says he'll stop taxing and spending. No way.
Thank you for reading my story so far!

Why am I telling my story to you? Although I feel alone, I know that I am not alone. Your story may be similar to mine. And you may also feel alone. One small voter in the midst of millions of voters. What can you and I do together to change things?

Here is my idea:
Lets you and I join up together.
Just you and I. Together.
As a small team of two.

How can you and I fight a huge political machine? You and I have two things that we can use:
(1) Our individual personal connections.
(2) The Internet.

The Internet is supposed to be this globalizing tool, right? Let's put it to use.

I have 27 Canadians in my personal e-mail address book.
I am sending this e-mail to each of them.
I'm asking you to do two things:
(1) Forward this e-mail to every Canadian in your own address book.
(2) Vote against Jean Chretien on November 27.

Vote for the Canadian Alliance candidate in your riding.
I have probably written this e-mail too late.
As I said I am not politically adroit.
I feel like Peter Finch, in the 1976 movie "Network", when he shouted:
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

Please, forward the e-mail RIGHT NOW if you agree with my thoughts and logic and want to share it with your associates!!

As I type these last few words the voting begins in less than 3 days. 60 hours till voting begins.
I hope the Internet is as fast as some people claim it is. This may not work.
This e-mail may "fizzle out" and go nowhere.
But you and I will have tried, won't we?

My best wishes to you.
My best wishes to Canadians everywhere.

******************************

Hitler in Germany was democratically elected by ONE vote.
Oliver Cromwell was elected in Britian by ONE vote.

Fletching Jig for sale

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Posted by Huntsman on November 28, 2000 at 09:55:13:

Hi. I have a Bitzenburger Dial-O Fletch with three clamps and Operating Instructions for sale. Please e-mail if interested.

Annie Lost her Guns!!

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Posted by Screemin Reel on November 28, 2000 at 08:58:37:

Just wanted to congratulate our friends in the west for turfing out Justice Minister Anne McLellen.A victory for us all!Don,t be discouraged by Ontarios Liberal victory.Many of us here are not just naive Liberals.Good work!

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by blackwolf on November 28, 2000 at 08:17:18:

In Reply to: Make them pay! posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 09:55:02:

I just can't beleive the stupidity of Canadians,we've just given a certain party the license to lie to us, steal from us, and break the law at will, and to do what ever they want!We even elected a guy that visited parliment 10 times during the last session and missed the election because of an emotional breakdown.What a farce!!!! This election is just a small example of what the LIBERALS will do to us,it won't be add sand to the vascoline, it will be add a little vascoline to the sand pile! We even re-elected the screw up of brant county, STEWART, the one that runs U.I. Just my opinion of course

Hunting gear

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Posted by blackwolf on November 28, 2000 at 08:02:16:

Was in getting measured up for uniform, and found a direct line for hunting cloths. same stuff at Le Barons is $325.00.Bought it at $150. The place is GOLDEN RETREIVER, they'll make tailor made which makes a lot of diffrence when we spend so much time in them. Golden Retreiver is in the Big Smoke. Just thought I'd pass on info

Re: Parker-Hale 30.06 value

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Posted by Curious on November 28, 2000 at 07:50:02:

In Reply to: Re: Parker-Hale 30.06 value posted by Steve Redgwell on November 26, 2000 at 16:31:19:

Thanks for your help.......the gun does have a detachable clip, but I did not see the CILXXX. The action has a stamp on the knob that is difficult to make out, but it looks like "*NP" I did notice a serial number on the gun "R-35883". Like you say, my action is excellent and has never jammed or frozen on me during cold temperatures.

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 06:00:52:

In Reply to: Re: Make them pay! posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 23:30:39:

I voted Canadian Alliance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone who voted Liberal should be taken out to the back forty & shot, quartered & urninated on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 28, 2000 at 06:00:22:

In Reply to: Re: Make them pay! posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 23:30:39:

I voted Canadian Alliance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 23:30:39:

In Reply to: Re: Make them pay! posted by John on November 27, 2000 at 19:56:24:

Well John we didn`t get him but we got her... Bye Bye Annie

Traditional Archery Clubs in the GTA

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Posted by Chris on November 27, 2000 at 21:39:37:

Does anyone know if there are any traditional archey clubs near near GTA? Any information would be greatly appreiated.

Re: checking on POLs

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Posted by artman on November 27, 2000 at 21:27:10:

In Reply to: Re: checking on POLs posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 08:01:49:

Thanks Fischer.

pointer puppies for sale

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Posted by rick on November 27, 2000 at 21:08:20:

German Wirehaired pointer puppies.8 weeks old.Windfinder kennel call 519-821-9504 after 5pm.Ask for Walter.Good bloodline NAVHDA certified.Excellent hunting companions

Re: Make them pay!

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Posted by John on November 27, 2000 at 19:56:24:

In Reply to: Make them pay! posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 09:55:02:

Theyve got my support.

duck hunting

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Posted by toad on November 27, 2000 at 17:49:15:

Has anyone been out duck hunting the Holland Marsh lately? Been deer the last few weeks. Got to love deer hunting in November!!

Re: DEER HUNT WMU 75

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Posted by Brad on November 27, 2000 at 17:39:07:

In Reply to: DEER HUNT WMU 67 posted by Ray Struthers on November 27, 2000 at 00:10:46:

Shot my first bow buck the night before shot gun at 29 yards walking, 10 pointer with a foot and a half width. Dressed out at 200lbs! my cousin got a nice 7 pointer sitting below the same stand the next morning during shotgun. Seen about 6 other deer but no shots no doe tags..... Forgot about the draw(100%) oh well theres next year.

Re: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

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Posted by ray struthers on November 27, 2000 at 11:33:13:

In Reply to: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 08:27:27:

way to go with your buck looks like the patience payed off good hunting

Re: Ammo

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Posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 10:40:02:

In Reply to: Re: Ammo posted by Sid on November 18, 2000 at 00:12:27:

The one on Pinebush Rd. in Cambridge stocks shells, too, but no guns.

The ones in Sudbury and North Bay used to have a good selection of new and used guns, but quit after C-68 was implemented in December, 98.

Make them pay!

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Posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 09:55:02:

It`s ELECTION DAY!

VOTE

IMG

Re: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

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Posted by Kevin on November 27, 2000 at 09:30:43:

In Reply to: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 08:27:27:

The weather was brutal until Thursday when it was extremely cold but clear with no wind. We had this wet snow that plastered the balsms then it turned to ice which made a cement wall and the deer stayed to the open areas. They weren`t moving during the early morning or late afternoon but they would move mid day which was really unusual. I put one up but couldn`t see what it was although it was a large deer and another blew by about fifty yards away and it too was a large deer but I couldn`t see whether it was a buck or a doe, it was in full stride so I don`t think I put it up. Wednesday I saw a doe and a fawn, the fawn was shootable but the doe wasn`t so I passed. Thursday I shot a doe in an open medow at 1pm. I was down to the last full day of hunting and I hadn`t seen a fresh track all day so after my sit I went for a walk. I hunted my way all the way down to this medow where I had put one up the previous day, I went into the tags hoping to catch one skirting the edge. I found a tree, put my cushion at the base and sat down on the ground with my back against the tree. Within twenty minutes a doe walked out into the clear medow and began to cross in front of me but the tags were thick and I only had one little window in the tag alders to shoot through. When the deer was on the edge of the window I lip squeaked to stop it but it took three steps and was on the other side of the window and blocked by the trees when it stopped. As I watched it clear the medow another doe came from the exact same area crossing the medow in the same direction. This time the deer was well before the window when I lip squeaked it and again it took three steps but this time it was in the window and I touched off the shot. The deer arched its back and I knew it was hit, it ran about fifty yards and down it went. My cousin had shot a 5pnt. buck on opening morning so along with this doe we had enough meat and a successful trip.

Looking forward to next season!

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

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Posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 08:27:27:

Was at Manitoulin last week. The weather was terrible. Lots of wet snow Monday, got soaked to the skin. COLD, high winds Tuesday, got chilled to the bone. Wednesday more of the same. Thursday, dead calm, but COLD. Friday was better, but by then, the deer were sticking pretty tight to the heavy bush. Never saw a deer after Tuesday afternoon. My group of three only got one deer for the week. But what a deer!

Tuesday, 4:20 PM. I'm shivering in my tree stand, which is at a corner of the property, 20 feet from another property that's not hunted. I hear a doe bleat behind me, and see a small doe come up to the fence. She looks back, and a bigger doe comes out to the fence. SHE looks back, and a BIGGER doe comes out. I figure I'll take the biggest doe when they come over the fence. Just before they come across, a big buck comes out to join them. My heart is in my throat!

All four jump the fence, but the two big does and the buck go behind some heavy pine trees, out of sight. The small doe comes and stands at the foot of my tree stand and looks up at me! The wind is really blowing, so I know she hasn't winded me, but I know that as soon as the other two does step out from behind the pines, they will wind me, and I'll never see the buck again. I look over, and through a small area between the pines, I can see the front half of the buck. I decide to ignore the small doe at my stand, 'cause I'll never get another chance at the buck. If she spooks, she spooks. I slowly lean forward, and am able to draw a bead on the buck. Just before I squeeze off my shot, the little doe spooks.

I shoot, and the does all run across in front of my stand. I ignore them, wanting to make sure of the buck. But I don't see the buck go. He takes off in the opposite direction, staying to the heavy cover. After giving it 10 min., I get down from my stand and check where the buck was standing, 23 paces from my stand. There is good blood, so I give it another 10 min. (seems like forever). When I start tracking, I know he's not far. Lung blood five feet out both sides every time his feet hit the ground. I find him 50 yds away, piled in like a train wreck. Then I find out just how big he is! 10 points. Beautifully balanced, with long tines. Not a record breaker, but a bona fide wall hanger! Dressed to 185 lbs.

Life is good. :)

Re: DEER HUNT WMU 67

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Posted by bowhunter on November 27, 2000 at 08:22:48:

In Reply to: DEER HUNT WMU 67 posted by Ray Struthers on November 27, 2000 at 00:10:46:

I hunt in 67 as well. We got 4 bucks and 3 does for 7 guys. We didn't fill that last tag until Friday. We tried to hold out for a good buck but couldn't find one. We only saw one good buck, but weren't able to stop him. Great hunt all around though.

Re: checking on POLs

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Posted by Fischer on November 27, 2000 at 08:01:49:

In Reply to: checking on POLs posted by artman on November 24, 2000 at 18:18:16:

Call 1-800-731-4000 and follow the prompts.

My son sent his in the first week of August, they took the money off my Visa the first week of October, and he still doesn't have it. It is "in the system" though.

Try calling and checking on it once a week. That's how I got action on mine. My son isn't too worried about his, as he just turned 18 this month.

DEER HUNT WMU 67

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Posted by Ray Struthers on November 27, 2000 at 00:10:46:

hello all u deer hunters just woundering how your hunt was are's was great 5 bucks and 3 does for nine guys dogs worked well even for being so dry the frist few day's. Biggest buck this year was a nice 12 point had a really nice rack the woods had a lot of buck rubs and scrapes but was a week later than last year hope everyone had a great hunt

Re: Sighting in

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Posted by ray struthers on November 26, 2000 at 23:59:44:

In Reply to: Sighting in posted by Rob on September 14, 2000 at 20:51:35:

I think that you have recived some good advice my dad always told me there is nothing to lean on in the woods shoot free hand and u will gain the confidence u need to shoot that big buck at a full out run i can but didn't come easy good luck

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Ray struthers on November 26, 2000 at 16:47:39:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

hi there good luck hunting and safe hunting my dad bought me a 30/06 remmington pump 7600 with a peep sight when i was fifteen and now i'm 27 and killed 15 deer with it we use hounds

Re: moose hunting

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Posted by ray struthers on November 26, 2000 at 16:36:34:

In Reply to: moose hunting posted by moose man on October 27, 2000 at 00:56:16:

are group shot a young bull at 35 inc we seen five all together at around longlac way to go with your bull

Re: Parker-Hale 30.06 value

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 26, 2000 at 16:31:19:

In Reply to: Re: Parker-Hale 30.06 value posted by Rick Teal on November 26, 2000 at 11:28:25:

I wonder if it's a Super Clip. If so, it has a detachable magazine. The name should be stamped somewhere on the action. It's possible that you will find CIL XXX stamped on it too. If so, it's still a PH but was made for export to Kanada.

You might want to hold onto it if it's a 1200. It's a very well made action. Spanish made "Santa Barbara" with an adjustable trigger, accurate too. I had one in 270 but was stupid and got rid of it (No use for a 270 :( ).

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: First Deer

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Posted by ray struthers on November 26, 2000 at 16:28:41:

In Reply to: First Deer posted by Dave on November 06, 2000 at 20:46:38:

way to go i know some guy's that hunt your way and i hunt in 67 my self

Re: Buck Size

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Posted by ray struthers on November 26, 2000 at 16:22:45:

In Reply to: Re: Buck Size posted by Dave on November 14, 2000 at 01:30:43:

I think that dave has a close scale to find your live weight adding 30% from the butcher shop will give u the dressed weight my brother shot one 3 years ago that was 180l.b at the butcher and he dressed out at 250 l.b we est his live weight at 280 two 300 l.b but here is something u gan do is buy a set of scales for your deer camp evryone wants to know the weight maybe even the one u shot

Re: Parker-Hale 30.06 value

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Posted by Rick Teal on November 26, 2000 at 11:28:25:

In Reply to: Parker-Hale 30.06 value posted by Curious on November 26, 2000 at 10:11:22:

I think your friend is mistaken.

According to the Blue Book of Gun Values, there are a couple of models of Parker Hale rifles worth over $1,000 in perfect condition, but these are target and "Sniper" versions.

Parker or Parker Brothers shotguns can be very valuable well into the thousands of dollars.

Parker-Hale 30.06 value

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Posted by Curious on November 26, 2000 at 10:11:22:

Many years ago I purchased a Parker-Hale 30-06 bolt action rifle second hand. A person informed me the other day that this rifle is worth alot of money (in the thousands of dollars). I've been searching the web and haven't been able to find a site that can help me verify its value. Does anyone know where I can find out this info?

Re: ??? scope or red dot

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Posted by ray struthers on November 25, 2000 at 19:03:00:

In Reply to: ??? scope or red dot posted by Bent arrow on September 15, 2000 at 22:44:27:

I think that u may want to check out some of the new fluorscent beads on the market but stick with the beads for waterflow u have to keep it simple to see the birds

Re: What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you?

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Posted by Ray Struthers on November 25, 2000 at 18:46:55:

In Reply to: What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you? posted by Brad on October 26, 2000 at 15:07:10:

I am not quite sure of all the circumstances of your hunting night.But if u have a clear shot and a well chosen deer rilfe u could have bag your buck the only other thing maybe is a pair of rattling antlers could have helped u see if the wind direction is not right the deer won't smell your scent unless u use a drag that croses the deer path

Re: Squrrill Hunting

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Posted by David C. on November 25, 2000 at 12:00:18:

In Reply to: Re: Squrrill Hunting posted by wicket on November 23, 2000 at 21:57:34:

How do you skin a squirrel? What parts do you eat? Always wanted to try it....

checking on POLs

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Posted by artman on November 24, 2000 at 18:18:16:

Does anyone know how one goes about checking on their POL, I sent my application away back at the beginning of August and I have yet to see or hear anything and the end of the year is approaching fast.

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Posted by smartbadge on November 24, 2000 at 07:05:23:

In Reply to: Secrets... Secrets.... posted by Wait See on April 12, 2000 at 15:19:20:

password

Re: Squrrill Hunting

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Posted by wicket on November 23, 2000 at 21:57:34:

In Reply to: Re: Squrrill Hunting posted by Nimrod on November 21, 2000 at 17:40:50:

clean them as soon as you shoot them and there is absolutely no problem. I disagree with the little reward comment too. There is a lot of reward once you sit down to a plate of fried squirrel. I'll take all you don't want.

Re: Mooooosie in 62

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Posted by 1shotkev on November 23, 2000 at 03:30:55:

In Reply to: Re: Mooooosie in 62 posted by Rick Teal on October 07, 2000 at 19:33:59:

I used the faithful .303 with a .180gr remington core lok. That 50inch bull bull dropped before I heard the gun blast.

Re: rules?

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Posted by Gunnermca on November 22, 2000 at 09:14:39:

In Reply to: Re: rules? posted by Eric on November 21, 2000 at 09:23:56:

Presquile has a number of blinds that can be reached by boat and some that can be reached on foot. There is a good/detailed map as well as details of what has been seen/harvested etc. at each blind. It is (as far as I remember ... its been a few years since I have hunted there) a pay operation. There is a "gate house" at which you register and licenses etc. are checked. Shooting varies here almost daily as the prevailing winds dictate which blinds should produce best. The other problem that occurs at this time of year is ice. Many of the access points freeze up ... limiting where you can go in the marsh etc. Also your first time there you are probably going to get "turned around" in the dark trying to find some of the "better" blinds. It might pay to scout the area in advance (if possible).

We gave up on hunting the park and instead began hunting the open water by the bay at the lighthouse where the boat launch is located (on the North side of the park). There is no charge for hunting here and the hunting is probably better (assuming you have a boat/decoys etc.) that allows you to get out in the bay. The majority of birds will be divers although there should still be some puddlers around. Oldsquaws make up most of the bag limit and are real easy to decoy.

Hope this little bit of information helps, but it has been 3 or 4 years since I have been down there (although I plan on going there in the next few weekends ... hopefully).

P.S. If you want to see deer ... this is the place to go. Drive/walk through the park near dawn or dusk and you will be amazed at how many you will see. We have had to chase deer off of the launch ramp in order to get the boat out.

Re: Squrrill Hunting

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Posted by Nimrod on November 21, 2000 at 17:40:50:

In Reply to: Squrrill Hunting posted by Wigster on November 21, 2000 at 17:29:09:

Two things: 1. get someone else to clean them for you (a lot of work for little reward). 2. I don't know if they hibernate for the winter or not, but I would try to hunt then once the weather turns cold so that hopefully they won't have as many fleas.

Squrrill Hunting

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Posted by Wigster on November 21, 2000 at 17:29:09:

Can anybody give me some info or a website on squrrill hunting!

Re: rules?

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Posted by Eric on November 21, 2000 at 09:23:56:

In Reply to: rules? posted by Leon on November 21, 2000 at 09:12:31:

Leon,

As a matter of fact I don't hunt there (yet), but I was interested in doing so, & as a result, found out about this "management plan".

If/when I scout the place & get more details I will post the results.

rules?

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Posted by Leon on November 21, 2000 at 09:12:31:

In Reply to: Presqu'ile Provincial Park posted by Eric on November 20, 2000 at 14:09:54:

I presume you hunt waterfowl there? What about rules? Is it like in Darlington?

Leon

Tanning a hide

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Posted by Jeff Armstrong on November 20, 2000 at 20:27:05:

Hi, i was wondering if anyone knew how to tan a hide so that it keeps the hair. Is there any special technique??? Please send the info to my email at likkshot@hotmail.com

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by artman on November 20, 2000 at 18:24:29:

In Reply to: Need a taxidermist posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

If you are looking for the best, his name is Len Murphy. He is located about 15 min. north of Cobourg on Hwy 45. He has earned top spot in the biggest worldwide taxidermy contest. He is a bit pricey but you do get the best. I am not sure of his phone number but he is listed in Cobourg or Roseneath. People send him animals from all over the world and he has a show room that is worth the time to stop in and see if one is in the area.

Presqu'ile Provincial Park

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Posted by Eric on November 20, 2000 at 14:09:54:

If you hunt Presqu'ile you might want to be in on this...

MNR News Release

Re: Woodcock

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Posted by Jack on November 20, 2000 at 13:08:29:

In Reply to: Re: Woodcock posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:44:34:

I use a pointing dog to hunt them. They hold really well and because of their irratic flight are hard to hit.

Thanks for your input

Jack

steel shot shells

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Posted by sparky on November 19, 2000 at 21:49:52:

Just to advise all of those in the Bancroft area...... I was at Lock Stock and Barrel the other day to find that the owner purchased an over stock of steel shot shells this year. He is selling them ALL off at half price !!!!

He has Federal, Remington UMC's (which I have tried and worked great !) as well as regular Remington and a few other types that I cannot recal.

He asked me to let my friends know ! You now know !! Oh, he is also selling his hunting clothes at half price as well !

If anyone needs a phone number please let me know and I'll ship it your way.

Good hunting

Sparky

Re: trap ammo

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Posted by J Moore on November 19, 2000 at 20:30:28:

In Reply to: trap ammo posted by artman on November 15, 2000 at 21:31:19:

I know that the Walmart in Peterborough sells the 100 round deal in 12 and 20 gauge for 19.99

Re: Ammo

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Posted by Josh on November 18, 2000 at 15:47:06:

In Reply to: Re: Ammo posted by Sid on November 18, 2000 at 00:12:27:

If you are in the greater GTA . . . try the Walmart on Trafalgar road in Oakville. I know that they use to stock shells as I haven't been there in a while. The Walmart is just south of Dundas Street (Highway 5) on the west side. Good Luck.

Josh

Re: Ammo

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Posted by Sid on November 18, 2000 at 00:12:27:

In Reply to: Ammo posted by Fischer on November 16, 2000 at 08:06:40:

What location of Walmart carries ammo? Also, do they sell guns too? I've been searching for a Walmart that sells both for a long time with no luck!!

Re: deer and scopes

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Posted by Tomm on November 17, 2000 at 18:44:31:

In Reply to: Re: deer and scopes posted by Fischer on November 10, 2000 at 15:31:50:

I have used a Tasco red dot sight on a Remington 870 mag for the past 2 years and plan to toss it in the dump. It fogs up with the least bit of rain and is then useless. I plan to put on a 1-1.5X scope.

(Late) November Update - 303british.com

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 17, 2000 at 17:23:40:

Well, I was away the first of the month hunting. For a peek at the journal of the "Hunt of the Damned" please drop by.

Also, Reloading Recipes for the 303 Epps - It's here. Not just data, it will tell you about the conversion, the cartridge, the equipment and other things you need to know about powering up the 303 British.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Me too!

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Posted by Kevin on November 17, 2000 at 14:42:31:

In Reply to: Re: Off to Manitoulin! posted by Nimrod on November 17, 2000 at 12:51:28:

I`ll be on the west end doing the same. Good luck!

Re: Pheasant Farms ??

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Posted by JC on November 17, 2000 at 14:07:02:

In Reply to: Pheasant Farms ?? posted by Dave on November 13, 2000 at 20:59:50:

Dave,

My recommendation is Pineridge Hunting Preserve in Sunderland. Exit on Hwy 12 in Whitby and go north past Hwy 7 - it's off one of the Concession Roads (can't remember which one). Talk to Mike Palotta (905) 985-8824. Nice fields, good cover, strong birds and excellent clubhouse. I used to train my German short-haired pointer there. Are you taking a dog? Cost used to be $50 for 3 pheasants.

Next time you're at the Hunting Show pick up the Game Bird Breeders Association pamphlet - it's lists all the registered game farms in Ontario.

Hope this helps.

Re: Off to Manitoulin!

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Posted by Nimrod on November 17, 2000 at 12:51:28:

In Reply to: Off to Manitoulin! posted by Fischer on November 17, 2000 at 09:49:38:

Have fun!

Re: Blind Etiquette

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Posted by Duck Cruncher on November 17, 2000 at 09:55:33:

In Reply to: Blind Etiquette posted by sparky on November 16, 2000 at 00:51:40:

Amen to that!!! I have also been upset to find the efforts of a summer or fall day lost to someone who did not appreciate the work of establishing an effective hide. My other beef is that when you get to your bind early in the pre dawn light and set up, another group shows up (too late I might add) that intended to use the bind (I created) and gets all indignant and then set up poorly around you to effectively P_ss me off! I too do not mind at all if someone else uses a bind I create but lets remain courteous and leave it as good, if not better, than how you found it! Good to get that off my chest....DUCK CRUNCHER

Off to Manitoulin!

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Posted by Fischer on November 17, 2000 at 09:49:38:

Now that you all have burnt yourselves out deer hunting, it's my turn!

Heading up on Sunday. Things look really great. So great, that the Ministry is thinking of doubling the doe tags there, next year. (Maybe they'd just let me take two deer ;)

I hear there are lots of partridge, and we'll likely wet a line if we have time, too. Hope I have to bring lots of un-needed groceries back!

Fish and Wildlife Guardian Program

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Posted by Andy on November 16, 2000 at 10:17:09:

We need your input. There is an upcoming meeting with Guardians and MNR to discuss the program and we want your comments and feelings. Good or bad. We need to know what your thoughts are on the program so we can try to tailor it accordingly for the future. Please post your comments on the What's Bitin' discussion board (not here, please) or send me email. All ideas, comments, suggestions, criticisms are welcome.

Ammo

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Posted by Fischer on November 16, 2000 at 08:06:40:

In Reply to: trap ammo posted by artman on November 15, 2000 at 21:31:19:

Walmart sells 100 rds of 12 or 20 ga. 7 1/2 for $22.25. Some stores can do better than that if you buy case lots.

Blind Etiquette

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Posted by sparky on November 16, 2000 at 00:51:40:

Over the past couple of years I have slowed down on deer hunting and picked on my waterfowl hunting. This year my hunting partner and I spend a considerable amount of time fixing up our blind, making sure that it was safe and most of all comfortable !

I have not been to our blind in some time due to other commitments and when the opportunity finally arrived to get out to our blind I found that others had been there. This is not what bothers me ..... I too have used other blinds in the past. What bothers me is that when I leave my blind or any ones blind for that matter, I leave it clean of waste including used shells. I found that our blind had litter, used shells and other junk inside as well as on the ground around the blind. Also, in the water there were pop bottles, the odd pop can and in front of the blind was the hide of a Canada Goose and its internals. This is not only bad and could stop the waterfowl from coming around but also turns off others who may travel the waters and turns off others, who do not like hunting, even more ! It gives the dedicated waterfowler a very bad name !

The next time you use someone else's blind on the lake or river remember to respect the blind your hunting from and use it if it were your own. Clean up after yourself and leave lets leave the environment and waterways in better shape for future hunters !

Good hunting !

Sparky

Re: trap ammo

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Posted by Kern on November 15, 2000 at 22:37:47:

In Reply to: trap ammo posted by artman on November 15, 2000 at 21:31:19:

Both Lebarons & Gagnons carry Winchester AA target loads and even Canadian tire have a target load for trap made by Federal. All are under $8.00 for a box of 25.

Kern

trap ammo

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Posted by artman on November 15, 2000 at 21:31:19:

anybody know a good place to buy trap ammo that is reliable and reasonably inexpensive?

Re: Best Varmint/Deer rifle

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Posted by Patrick Hoolihan on November 15, 2000 at 11:37:14:

In Reply to: Re: Best Varmint/Deer rifle posted by Screemin Reel on September 06, 2000 at 23:49:04:

The 7mm-08 is an excellent choice for either varmints, whitetail, elk, or moose. Personally, I would consider using a 175gr for elk or moose and a 100gr for varmints. The ballistics for the 708 are excellent; with 1600 ftbs at 300 yards. That should be enough energy to kill any whitatails at 3oo yards.

Re: Gettin them in closer

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Posted by bowhunter on November 15, 2000 at 08:46:41:

In Reply to: Gettin them in closer posted by Kern on November 05, 2000 at 20:29:56:

I have managed to bring a buc in with the grunt tube before but, usually the just look. I've never tried it but a decoy in combination with grunting is supposed to be deadly.

Annie Get Your Guns

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Posted by Kevin on November 14, 2000 at 23:47:12:

You`ll find this interesting ...

Justice eh?

Re: .30 M1 CARBINE

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Posted by Ron Meidell on November 14, 2000 at 21:14:43:

In Reply to: .30 M1 CARBINE posted by Mike on September 26, 2000 at 05:48:00:

Dear Sir:

I would like to purchase a M1 Carbine or Carbine Kit.

Ron Meidell

Re: WMU 46 deer hunt

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Posted by bowhunter on November 14, 2000 at 14:12:25:

In Reply to: WMU 46 deer hunt posted by roho on November 12, 2000 at 09:12:58:

Hunt in WMU 67. We got 7 deer for 7 hunters. 4 bucks, 2 does, 1 fawn. No big bucks, although one big guy ran past almost everybody in our gang and nobody got him. Great week !!

Re: WMU 82... Re: WMU 46 deer hunt

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Posted by Morris on November 14, 2000 at 11:48:58:

In Reply to: Re: WMU 82... Re: WMU 46 deer hunt posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 13, 2000 at 06:12:51:

Well it was a wonderfull week in our area(Peterborough)

Woke up Monday too late to leave for the stand, late night card game, pull out from the camp and bam, a feild full of them(only 4). That morning we got two, doe and buck. Next day another buck, next day two does, next day a nice eight pointer. Over the 4 days i was there i saw 31. I now see why the have the antlerless draw hell they are starting to outnumber the cattle in our area. I would hate to see the winter kill if we had a bad one. Not to mention the car accidents!

Anyway it was a great week and even better company!

I just hope the rest of the guys do as well on the second week (damn work)!

Re: Buck Size

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Posted by Leon on November 14, 2000 at 09:22:01:

In Reply to: Buck Size posted by Screemin Reel on November 14, 2000 at 00:45:49:

You have very nice table at http://www.whitetaildeer.com/howto/weight/ According to it your deer was approx. 190 lbs

Leon

Re: Buck Size

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Posted by Dave on November 14, 2000 at 01:30:43:

In Reply to: Buck Size posted by Screemin Reel on November 14, 2000 at 00:45:49:

When we took ours to the butcher it weighed 136. He said you usually lose about 30 to 35 percent dressing and skinning it. So if you want to guess low, divide your butcher weight by .70, and high divide by .65. (ie. Between 225 and 243)

Buck Size

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Posted by Screemin Reel on November 14, 2000 at 00:45:49:

Would anyone know a formula to estimate the live weight of a deer from the weight at the butcher shop.All I know is that thursday we shot the largest buck anyone in our group has ever seen and we have harvested a few deer over the years.It was,nt its rack that was so impressive{ten points)as much as its body mass.We measured its chest at 40 inches and its weight at the butcher was 158 lbs.We would guess him to be 250 at leastliveweight. Would anyone know if we are close.Thanks for any comments....Mike

Re: Pheasant Farms ??

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Posted by artman on November 13, 2000 at 21:12:51:

In Reply to: Pheasant Farms ?? posted by Dave on November 13, 2000 at 20:59:50:

you could try luther marsh it only costs 15 bucks a day. and it has a two bird limit. the only thing is depending on which day you go it can be like a war zone in there. you will need a dog to do really well. i got my two in the afternoon after the rush of people had left the park.

Pheasant Farms ??

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Posted by Dave on November 13, 2000 at 20:59:50:

Thinking of tring a game farm for pheasants, any recommendations for farms with`n 1hr or so of Toronto ??

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by blackwolf on November 13, 2000 at 18:02:53:

In Reply to: Re: Need a taxidermist posted by Matt Ende on November 11, 2000 at 15:31:17:

I think its the guy in Palmerston

Re: deer and scopes

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Posted by Nimrod on November 13, 2000 at 15:24:36:

In Reply to: Re: deer and scopes posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 12, 2000 at 07:32:23:

I am a scope man; I have never been a big fan of iron sights, but the Tru-Glos are pretty good. However, the one advantage that all scopes have over open sights is that it puts everything on the same sighting plane (in focus).

To Fischer: Thanx, but I did turn the dial down to the lowest. It does help, but still not great.

Re: WMU 82... Re: WMU 46 deer hunt

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 13, 2000 at 06:12:51:

In Reply to: WMU 82... Re: WMU 46 deer hunt posted by Tackleberry on November 12, 2000 at 10:17:02:

Hunted in the Minden area WMU56. There were 5 of us & no deer was seen not even any sign!!!!!! Oh well that's life. At least I got a week away from the wife................ha ha ha ha ha.........

Not Feeling all that bad!!

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Posted by Dave on November 12, 2000 at 22:12:22:

In Reply to: Re: ATTENTION KATA and all members wondering about this post posted by Kata on November 09, 2000 at 23:43:40:

Well I just got back from 5 days off for some more deer hunting, this time with my rifle. I don't feel so bad about wounding that deer because I'm pretty sure I saw her in the bush when I was out. There was two of them that were always together, and I saw the pair again. I certainly wouldn't give up hunting over making a mistake. And when I look deep inside, sure i know I don't need to hunt, but I want to and it's a part of me. I come from a family that doesn't hunt, so I took it up not as tradition but as truly a personal interest.

As an aside, we bagged a 210 lb 8-pointer out there to go along with my 4 pointer on opening. All in all, a very good year. Had plenty more chances, but passed them up.

Gun Value??

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Posted by Wisky on November 12, 2000 at 18:55:01:

I was just given a Remington 22 LR pump Model 121 "The Fieldmaster"

I don't see the 121 in my Gun Blue Book. Only the 121A, 121S etc. Anybody have any idea of worth? It's a really neat 22!

Also, I have a line on a Spanish made 16 Ga double. Made by "Gorosabel". Not a bad looking piece but a looked like it could use some finess in workmanship. Anybody know anything about this firearm?

WMU 82... Re: WMU 46 deer hunt

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Posted by Tackleberry on November 12, 2000 at 10:17:02:

In Reply to: WMU 46 deer hunt posted by roho on November 12, 2000 at 09:12:58:

I hunted with a friend's family and locals outside of Chatsworth (Hwy 6 & 10) on Mon. & Tues. . Group of about 15 in all, 80% of them owned thee land we were on. I got the second one Mon am , buck, and when I stopped by on the way home Wed. am there were 12 total.

Funny thing though, most of them were taken alone. Not many had friends with them. Only saw one "big" rack though.

Tack

WMU 46 deer hunt

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Posted by roho on November 12, 2000 at 09:12:58:

Got back sat evening from our annual hunt in 46 just south of parry sound .Our group of 6 harvested 3 deer was wondering how other groups in central ontario did on the hunt

Re: deer and scopes

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 12, 2000 at 07:32:23:

In Reply to: deer and scopes posted by Nimrod on November 10, 2000 at 15:14:19:

I put a set of Tru-Glow sights from LeBarons on my 870 pump & they are the greatest.............better than those red dot sights according to LeBaron salesperson & a lot cheaper!!!!!!!!!!! GO to LeBarons & check them out!!!!!!!!!

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by Matt Ende on November 11, 2000 at 15:31:17:

In Reply to: Need a taxidermist posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

Advanced Taxidermy sends all their deer to a fellow near Guelph/Mt Forest.

I hear he is one of the better Taxidermists around.

Re: deer and antlers

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Posted by Matt Ende on November 10, 2000 at 19:00:07:

In Reply to: deer and scopes posted by Nimrod on November 10, 2000 at 15:14:19:

My buddy Fred got a 12 pointer on Tuesday. The taxidermist rough-scored it in the 150s and said it will likely go higher. It was a big deer (250) and in full rut. 1 shot through the shoulders with a .243 - 100g Partition, dropped the big buck dead on the spot. This was in WMU 82.

Re: duck hunters

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Posted by Stephen on November 10, 2000 at 15:59:40:

In Reply to: duck hunters posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 18:38:19:

I got one over cooks bay 2 weeks ago.

Re: deer and scopes

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Posted by Fischer on November 10, 2000 at 15:31:50:

In Reply to: deer and scopes posted by Nimrod on November 10, 2000 at 15:14:19:

I hear ya, Nimrod. Pretty hard to sight in those red dot scopes for any distance.

I've a friend with one on a .308, and I couldn't even see the centre of the target at 50 yds! Managed to sight the rifle in, but it sure didn't produce any brag-able groups!

One thing I didn't try was to turn the red-dot down to the lowest power level that was on it. Possibly you'll be able to see the target centre through the dot.

Guess they'd be fine in tight bush for running shots, but otherwise, I'll stick with my 2-7X.

As for scopes, I can't go into much detail, except to suggest that you should stick with something in the 1-4X or 1.5-4.5X for a variable, and a 2.5X maximum on a straight power.

deer and scopes

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Posted by Nimrod on November 10, 2000 at 15:14:19:

Just got a report from my father-in-law's deer camp in Renfrew County: 16 hunters, 16 deer, including 12 bucks (1 nine pointer, 4 eight pointers, the rest lesser bucks). Damn! I hope they saved some for next year! I couldn't go this year, but you can bet I'll be there next year.

As for scopes, I put a Tasco red dot on my new Remington 1100 slug gun, and found that I just was not getting the full potential out of the gun and ammo, especially the new Winchester Partition Gold (I haven't given up on them yet and intend to give them a thorough test before next season), because the dot covers the whole bullseye at 100 yards, and that's with the smallest dot that Tasco has!. I know that the Bushnell Holosight has a smaller dot, but I am leaning toward a normal scope for next year. Any suggestions on a good shotgun scope? I like ones with good light gathering abilities.

Re: duck hunters

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Posted by rambler on November 10, 2000 at 08:12:36:

In Reply to: duck hunters posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 18:38:19:

Me and a friend have bagged four this season. Reports earlier in the season of a flock of some 500 birds off the L. Ontario shoreline. What a bird though. One shot with steel is all it takes to drop 'em.

Re: duck hunters

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Posted by rambler on November 10, 2000 at 08:10:43:

In Reply to: duck hunters posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 18:38:19:

Me and a friend have bagged four this season.

Re: Find all provincial legislation here

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Posted by Fischer on November 10, 2000 at 07:59:47:

In Reply to: The Game and Fish Act posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 09:36:01:

Kevin, I know you found the website. I thought I'd add it for anyone else who feels the need to develop a migraine. ;)

It takes some practice, but eventually you'll get the hang of wading through it.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/html/LEGIS/legis.htm

Ducks report anyone????

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Posted by norton on November 10, 2000 at 04:32:26:

Did anybody has report for ducks for Tiny marsh or Holland marsh??

Thank you in advance!

Re: ATTENTION KATA and all members wondering about this post

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Posted by Kata on November 09, 2000 at 23:43:40:

In Reply to: Re: ATTENTION KATA and all members wondering about this post posted by Kern on November 09, 2000 at 17:03:26:

Sorry, do not want to offend anyone. I guess noone liked my advice. I only refered to animals as defencless because they can not shoot back, I know that without wepons people would not have a chance, therefore making the person the defencless one. I was not trying to make anyone feel guilty.( that is up to each his own)And I do know about meat. I was raised on an Angus farm and though I do not raise cattle now, I do own some land so Im not as "city" as you all think. And not that this has anything to do with hunting but since you were wondering I am a vegetarian, I feel it is much better for the health. And also for the record I am not an animal-rights person.

Re: ATTENTION KATA

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Posted by Kern on November 09, 2000 at 22:37:25:

In Reply to: Re: ATTENTION KATA posted by blackwolf on November 09, 2000 at 19:37:12:

You are right Blackwolf...there is so much that Kata does not know about hunting. I admire his respect for animals but like many city people, they do not understand resource management. It does seem kind of weird comming from someone who studies how to kill people with their bare hands!!

Kern

My apologies to the Ontario Government

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Posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 22:24:29:

In Reply to: Re: The Game and Fish Act posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 15:48:09:

The Act is available via the NET and I now have a link to it.
I`ll run through it tomorrow when I get a minute.
Thanks for your help.

Re: duck hunters

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Posted by sparky on November 09, 2000 at 21:34:00:

In Reply to: duck hunters posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 18:38:19:

Hey there Hitman !

Hope all is well !? How are those 5 weeks vaction coming along ?? When are we getting out for a beer and or a hunt ??

All the best and stay safe !

Sparky

Re: The Game and Fish Act

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Posted by sparky on November 09, 2000 at 21:32:18:

In Reply to: The Game and Fish Act posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 09:36:01:

Kevin,

As Hitman stated it is a Prov. Act. If you cannot find it up north at any of your local book stores Kevin let me know and I'm sure I can stop by the Ontario Book Store in Toronto and buy you a copy.

As for being on the net. It is a rather lengthy book and perhaps its a bit to large for the net. All the best!!

Sparky.

Re: ATTENTION KATA

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Posted by blackwolf on November 09, 2000 at 19:37:12:

In Reply to: ATTENTION KATA posted by Kern on November 07, 2000 at 23:31:52:

Kern, I think you were correct in responding in this fashion, Kata really has no idea what hunting is all about and comments like that really have no place on this board, as you know there is a BIG diffrence between shooting archery in martial arts and hunting.Does this guy really understand that this poor defenceless creature could kill him just as easily? And the damage they do to the farmers crops? I hope this guy reads this and maybe will spend a few minutes in quiet reflection that one should not speak on issues one does not know!!!

Re: First Season

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Posted by blackwolf on November 09, 2000 at 19:21:58:

In Reply to: First Season posted by Greg on November 09, 2000 at 12:36:51:

Not a good idea, though I've done it, and even bagged a nice buck to boot,The smell of smoke lingers for quite a while and scares off any chance of getting a decent shot in the future

duck hunters

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Posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 18:38:19:

Just wondering if many of you are seeing many brant around. There are a few down around Presquille and the Bay of Quinte. What about other birds in your area??

Be safe, Hitman

www.chesapeakewaterfowlers.com

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by Dave on November 09, 2000 at 18:00:18:

In Reply to: Re: Need a taxidermist posted by David C. on November 08, 2000 at 22:11:17:

Like David C. says, call Carmen @ Green Forest, he does excellent work, including work for R.O.M in Toronto, I know many guys that have been to him and they all love his work, including myself.

Frustrated

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Posted by Mike on November 09, 2000 at 17:03:52:

I have been successful in entering a controlled deer hunt for already a number of years in the 76A WMU. It's a huge area. Never bagged a deer! I know a lot about how to hunt them and deer behaviour, still no success. This area recieves a very limited amount of hunters and alot of wolf predatation. I'm assuming there's very little deer movement. Anyone felt the same way? I'm frustrated, and upset that another unsuccessful year has passed. Anyone know this area? Damn makes me feel like I'm losing out on a lot of action I could be having.

Re: ATTENTION KATA and all members wondering about this post

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Posted by Kern on November 09, 2000 at 17:03:26:

In Reply to: Re: ATTENTION KATA posted by Kata on November 08, 2000 at 13:54:21:

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Posted by Kata on November 06, 2000 at 17:20:33:

In Reply to: Wounded Deer posted by Dave on October 23, 2000 at 12:02:42:

I teach Martial Arts, I do not hunt but have been hunting once. If you do feel horrible it is your inner-self trying to teach you a lesson and you should not ingore it. All to often we know deep inside what is right and wrong but we do the wrong thing. Why? Well a number of reasons, I myself had never gone hunting but was very good with alot of wepons uncluding a bow a friend talked me into hunting with him. I had a bad feeling but ingored it. I did not kill a deer that day although I could of, something inside told me it was wrong that the deer I could of killed wanted to live and I did not have the right to harm that creature. I learned a lesson that day. How could I teach my students the ways of the peaceful warrior and kill the most defencless? Not possible. Listen to your heart my friend, deep down you know you do not need to hunt, you are not starving. Feel horrible, cry for the creature whose life you took. Learn this lesson. Other hunters will give you advice on how not to have this happen again, but your soul knows the only way to be sure it will not happen again is if you give up the hunt. Let yorself grow. And why not try another sport or art. Martial Arts is a way of life it effects every aspect of life, if you feel up to a wonderful challange learn a martial art it is much more rewarding then killing a defencless animal.

Peace!

Kata, Just so that you can understand my objections, I have re posted your post so that we can discuss it. I invite all members of the board to have a read and comment. Please lets keep it civil. I don't want another "SlyFox " incident.

First off hunting is not wrong as you have mentioned. It is a skill much like your own. A skill that we as hunters hone in order to dispatch our "game" (not defenseless animals ) quickly and efficiently. I think it would be disturbing to all hunters when that one shot goes bad and you wound an animal. Disturbing not because our "inner soul knows its wrong", but from our desire that the animals we hunt die quickly and humanly. I feel bad when any animal doesn't die right away, to prevent that I practice my skill regularly and learn the limits of my weapons and loads.

We also don't hunt because we are starving! It is a choice on how we want to source our meat. Some people are fine with going to a store and buying "factory produced meat" but because I'm a hunter, I chose to harvest my own meat. You didn't mention whether you eat meat or not, but I invite you to visit the source of the meat you see in the store then let me know which animals have the better life.

Just last month, I went through the same experience as Dave. I too took my very first shot at a deer with my new bow. Unfortunately, the arrow did not find its mark for a number of reasons. Two of them being my inexperience and the other was the over whelming excitement of bagging my first deer. Sure I felt bad for wounding the animal, but I also learned what not to do next time. My feelings had nothing to do with my soul crying out to me to leave the poor animals alone, but rather me not being 100% sure about the shot before I let the arrow go.

The only time I hear people using human like sentiment when talking about animal rights is when they are preaching anti hunting and I'm sure many people here will agree with me that your post is riddled with anti hunting over tones.

Sorry for the long winded post but I feel very strongly about this topic. I would also like to point out at this time the top of the page, which clearly says "a forum for positive information and idea exchange." And that is why your post was removed.

Sincerely

Kern

Moderator, Ontario Hunting Board

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by wicket on November 09, 2000 at 16:49:43:

In Reply to: Re: Need a taxidermist posted by David C. on November 08, 2000 at 22:11:17:

Richard Reaume in Tilbury. I wouldn't go to anyone else, quality at a low price. Dont have his number handy but 411 him and discuss it with him.

Regulations summary quality

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Posted by Leon on November 09, 2000 at 16:37:38:

In Reply to: Re: The Game and Fish Act posted by Fischer on November 09, 2000 at 11:08:35:

The hunting regulations summary is confusing and difficult to understand. I had to read them for the first time this year and it, well, sucks...

I read hunting regs of a few US states, Canadian provinces and some other countries. So I have some stuff for comparison.

Some points mentioned few times in the summary and some not at all. E.g. when I challenged ON hunters exam I was stunned by a question "which species of bird you can hunt with a rifle?" I hope you guys know the answer ;-)

All my previous experience says - you don't hunt birds with a rifle, surprise - (ruffed?) grouse. Few days ago in pursuit of a deer I was looking at a grouse sitting on a pine tree. I was wondering where my 30-06, 180 gr bullet will land if I shoot this bird in 30 degrees upward angle...

The point is not wheather to shoot grouse with a rifle, but why it's not in the summary?

I'd love to read the source - the Act, but it's probably written in lawers English which is not my strong side yet. I remember trying to read Massachusets game law - had a headache in 30 min.

Leon

Re: late season shot size

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Posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 16:07:47:

In Reply to: Re: late season shot size posted by Kern on October 30, 2000 at 22:34:08:

I agree with all of the above with one exception. I wear Kevlar, and don't want to find out if it will stop #2 shot at 20 yards. It may stop it, but the force would be deadly.

Anyways, pattern you shells and gun to find a good load. Get em close and hit em solid and all will fall!!!

Be safe, Hitman

www.chesapeakewaterfowlers.com

Re: The Game and Fish Act

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Posted by Hitman on November 09, 2000 at 16:02:32:

In Reply to: The Game and Fish Act posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 09:36:01:

A lot of stores, such as Cole's carry Provincial Statutes. The Game and Fish Act is a provincial statute, so you should be able to get it.

Re: The Game and Fish Act

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Posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 15:48:09:

In Reply to: Re: The Game and Fish Act posted by Fischer on November 09, 2000 at 11:08:35:

Yes, I would like to wade through that.
Why isn`t it it available on the net, what`s the big secret?

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by Eric on November 09, 2000 at 14:27:42:

In Reply to: Need a taxidermist posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

Try Doug Fagg. He owns Doug's Taxidermy in Mt. Albert. His address is 19433 McCowan Road (1 km North of Mt. Albert sideroad, just West of Hwy. 48). It's about a 35 min. drive from Scarborough. It's worth it just to see his showroom, let alone some good conversation; he's an avid hunter & licenced trapper. Doug mounted a turkey tail for me this season & did a full mount for a friend not too long ago. As for deer, there are some quality samples on display at his shop. Most notably, he has helped some friends; aspiring amateur taxidermists, by providing valuable advice, forms & tanned capes. Nice work & the price was very reasonable. Call before you go (905) 437-2124

Re: Woodcock

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Posted by Matt Ende on November 09, 2000 at 13:29:49:

In Reply to: Woodcock posted by Jack on November 06, 2000 at 16:00:04:

There are more Woodcock in my area than in previous years. I have flushed a few while duck hunting in the marsh, but have not gotten into upland bird hunting full-swing yet. In previous years woodcock were very scarce, but now seem to be around more often. To the answer the second question, while woodcock are often flushed while grouse hunting, they are usually hunted in wetter areas and in different types of main coverts. Woodcock are small birds and are usually flushed from small, often isolated coverts that are hidden by conifers. I only see 1 woodcock for every 30 gruse around where I hunt, so maybe I am not in the best area for them, as they follow regular migration paths and are thus very localized in their range.

First Season

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Posted by Greg on November 09, 2000 at 12:36:51:

I just came back from my first deer hunt. I didn't get anything but my dad did get a great 10 point buck. I was walking down a trail around 3pm, when I encountered a nice size doe. It didnt see me and had its' back to me. It was about 80 yrd away in middle dense bush. Although it was the first deer I've ever seen I suprised myself that I remained calm and didnt shoot out of the fear that I wouldnt get a leathal hit. Well I will try it with a bow next week and then again with a gun in December. One question: Does anyone smoke while they are on a tree stand?

Reloading Equipment wanted

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Posted by Fischer on November 09, 2000 at 11:13:19:

Looking for a used re-loading press, powder measure, scale etc.

Already have dies.

If you have anyof the above, singly or as a package, please e-mail me.

Re: Upcoming Gun Shows

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Posted by Fischer on November 09, 2000 at 11:11:32:

In Reply to: Upcoming Gun Shows posted by DonG on November 09, 2000 at 09:45:00:

Don't know about a website, or a mailing list, but there are a couple of upcoming shows.

Six Nations Bingo Hall, Nov. 25 (Saturday) Mount Brydges, Tri-County Community Centre, Hwy 81 (Adelaide Rd.) Dec. 3 (Sunday)

Sorry, don't have the list for 2001.

Re: The Game and Fish Act

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Posted by Fischer on November 09, 2000 at 11:08:35:

In Reply to: The Game and Fish Act posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 09:36:01:

I happen to have a copy of the Act in front of me. It's 140 pages, without all the additional Regulations, which would likely run another 200 pages. Do you want to try and wade through that?

That's what a summary is for, to provide people with the information that is most important to them. If there's something you can't find in the regs, you can call.

Frankly, I find the summary confusing enough. I really wouldn't want to have to refer to the Act every time I want to find out something.

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by Ken Flieger on November 09, 2000 at 10:27:20:

In Reply to: Need a taxidermist posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

About 5-6 years ago I used to go to a shop on College just west of Ossington on the north side where I would work on my own stuff with the guy who ran the shop. His name was Grant Mcleod and he was an interesting character. It's worth the drive to see if he is still there because he would produce some outstanding stuff, IMHO. You can see his work at The Fish House restaurants in Toronto. Most of the customers were referred by word of mouth, he would never do any advertising but man he was always busy.

Upcoming Gun Shows

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Posted by DonG on November 09, 2000 at 09:45:00:

Can anybody tell me if there is a web site or some means of finding out about upcoming gun shows in southern Ontario? I would guess there is probably a mailing list somewhere but I don't know how to get on it.

Thanks

The Game and Fish Act

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Posted by Kevin on November 09, 2000 at 09:36:01:

Ever wonder why the people are charged under the Game and Fish Act but we never get to see what`s in it?
MNR give us only a summary of the regulations and don`t seem to want anyone to know everything that is contained in the Act although they can still lay charges under any section of the Act!
Hunting Algoma

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by Fischer on November 09, 2000 at 09:26:11:

In Reply to: Re: Need a taxidermist posted by blackwolf on November 08, 2000 at 22:36:49:

Blackwolf,

Can you share some info about how you should prepare it for mounting? Did you take the head off at the top of the neck, along with the the cape, or did you take part of the neck, too?

Handy stuff to know if I ever get the big one!

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by blackwolf on November 08, 2000 at 22:36:49:

In Reply to: Need a taxidermist posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

Congrats on the buck. Persistance does pay off.Let us know what you did different this time,If you don't mind the travel, there is a good taxidermist in Palmerston north of Guelph, he's cheep but he does quality work. I hope you froze the head and cape,it puts a whole new bent on things when you pull out a venison steak, and there's its head my wife put up with that for a few months.

Re: Need a taxidermist

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Posted by David C. on November 08, 2000 at 22:11:17:

In Reply to: Need a taxidermist posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

Try Green Forest Taxidermy in Innisfil. He does nice work!

Re: Charge for disrupting hunting?

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Posted by Paolo on November 08, 2000 at 20:47:40:

In Reply to: Charge for disrupting hunting? posted by Fischer on November 08, 2000 at 15:27:01:

That incident happened here in NW Ontario.Here's what the Thunder Bay news paper said: Hunter,hockey fan square off :Sioux Lookout provintial police are investigating a weekend incident involving a hockey stick,a deer,a hunter and a motorist.Police said yesterday a motorist honked at a deer around 2pm.Sunday in an attempt to scare it away from a hunter.Police said the hunter followed the motorist to a Kirkland Lake Road residence where the two discussed the incident.The hunter reported that the motorist hit him with a hockey stick.Police said there were no injuries.> On page 4 of the hunting regulations summary it states that:A person shall not interfere with someone who is lawfully hunting,trapping or fishing by tampering with equipment,placing themselves in a position for the purpose of interfering,or engaging in an activity to disturb wildlife or fish.Let's see what happens with this incident.Probably squat or the hunter will get charged with speeding!

Re: Poor Experience with the New Winchester Sabot Slug

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Posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:50:35:

In Reply to: Poor Experience with the New Winchester Sabot Slug posted by Andy on November 04, 2000 at 13:00:25:

I have had similar results. After trying for months, I finally acquired (from NY) a measly 2 boxes. Went to the range on Sunday and found them to be very inconsistent, whereas my Remington 1100 puts the Copper Solids in the same hole at 50 yards and about 2 inches at 100. I just didn't have enough ammo to mess with it and still have enough left to hunt with.

My buddy also had 2 boxes and he too was not really sure of this ammo. Having said all that, Gun Test magazine gave it rave reviews.

Re: Woodcock

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Posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:44:34:

In Reply to: Woodcock posted by Jack on November 06, 2000 at 16:00:04:

I have never actually hunted them, but I would like to try. I have flushed a couple, but just by accident while hunting for grouse. Do you hunt them the same as grouse? Do you hunt with a dog?

Need a taxidermist

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Posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:32:11:

Got my second buck on Monday (14 years since my first buck!), a medium-sized 7-pointer. Anyone know a good but reasonably priced taxidermist in the GTA? I know that Advanced does great work, but I fear they may want more for a buck that isn't huge than I can pay.

Charge for disrupting hunting?

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Posted by Fischer on November 08, 2000 at 15:27:01:

I saw a note on CP24 that charges are pending against a driver who honked his horn to scare some deer away from hunters. Anybody know the story?

Re: How do I get to Holland Marsh from Toronto?

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Posted by Nimrod on November 08, 2000 at 15:03:56:

In Reply to: How do I get to Holland Marsh from Toronto? posted by john on November 05, 2000 at 22:51:42:

Holland Marsh is straight up Hwy. 400, not far north of Canada's Wonderland. What are you hunting in Holland Marsh? Are you sure that you don't mean Hullett Marsh?

Re: ATTENTION KATA

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Posted by Kata on November 08, 2000 at 13:54:21:

In Reply to: ATTENTION KATA posted by Kern on November 07, 2000 at 23:31:52:

I was only trying to help out the guy, I do not hunt but do have hunting friends. So I am not an anti-hunter I just wanted him to hear what his heart was saying that is all. As far as informing him about martial arts, I thaught he might enjoy this activity more than hunting. Maybe just maybe hunting isnt for him and he should try something else. After all he is upset about wounding the deer. I am NOT bashing hunting! I do not want him to feel pressured into doing something that he is not comfortable doing. I do not feel I have broken any of your rules.

Re: Gun laws (long Post)

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Posted by warren mcisaac on November 08, 2000 at 08:36:41:

In Reply to: Gun laws (long Post) posted by Stephen on August 23, 2000 at 16:48:17:

i think this is total bull crap to defend your life you get life in prisn?no i dint think so.

Re: Camo Paint for Canoe

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Posted by Eric on November 08, 2000 at 07:11:30:

In Reply to: Re: Camo Paint for Canoe posted by Eric on August 31, 2000 at 09:25:33:

IMG

ATTENTION KATA

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Posted by Kern on November 07, 2000 at 23:31:52:

Im sure there are many sites and chat rooms in AOL that would welcome your anti hunting views and insights on how through your study of martial arts, you have made "contact and peace with your inner soul".

THIS ISNT ONE OF THEM.

Please read the rules of this page and feel free to make any positive contributions.

Any further anti hunting posts will be deleted and if you persist, your AOL server will be refused access to this site.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly.

Sincerely,

Kern

Moderator, Ontario Hunting Page

Re: First Deer

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Posted by Kern on November 07, 2000 at 22:44:00:

In Reply to: First Deer posted by Dave on November 06, 2000 at 20:46:38:

Congrats on your first deer Dave. Im still trying to bag my first one. Have seen all kinds while hunting with the bow and Im wishing for just one of those chances to repeat itself this week during the shotgun hunt. I carry a digital camera with me so will be able topost pics as soon as I bag the critter. Good luck to all and shoot safe.

Kern

POL

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Posted by Kern on November 07, 2000 at 20:59:35:

Got my POL today. Cant remember exactly when I sent away for it but I think it was in august while I was shopping for stuff for the early goose.

Re: First Deer

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Posted by sparky on November 07, 2000 at 20:07:40:

In Reply to: First Deer posted by Dave on November 06, 2000 at 20:46:38:

Congrads on the first deer !! I guess your hooked now ! Can't wait to see the pics !

Sparky

Re: First pheasant hunt

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Posted by Bruce on November 07, 2000 at 20:00:19:

In Reply to: Re: First pheasant hunt posted by Pierre on October 24, 2000 at 20:55:46:

Pierre , where do you go in ND / MT ? Bruce

Re: Congrats - Post a picture for us

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Posted by Dave on November 06, 2000 at 22:17:06:

In Reply to: Congrats - Post a picture for us posted by glenn on November 06, 2000 at 21:58:07:

Will do when I get them developed

Congrats - Post a picture for us

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Posted by glenn on November 06, 2000 at 21:58:07:

In Reply to: First Deer posted by Dave on November 06, 2000 at 20:46:38:

Post a picture if you have one.

First Deer

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Posted by Dave on November 06, 2000 at 20:46:38:

I shot my first deer today at the Gananoque Wildlife Area. Spent a couple hours getting him off an island in the marsh, what a fun time!! It was a decent sized 4-pointer. It seemed to just wet my appetite for deer hunting!

Woodcock

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Posted by Jack on November 06, 2000 at 16:00:04:

Just questioning whether anybody else who is a woodcock hunter has experienced larger amount compared to the past several years.

First bow buck

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Posted by Brad on November 06, 2000 at 15:02:03:

An amazing few days so far hunted the other night with my cousin, we both sat over looking the same area from our tree stands we thought the night was a bust, when a big deer came over the edge of the feild thought it was a huge doe. No tags for doe but my cousin decided to call it in to see it and it ended up being a large 10 pointer and walked 27 yards a way from me! I could'nt get it to stop so I shot and hit but wasn't actually sure where. all I know is if you don't know where your shot placement was give it extra time, I waited an hour and went after it only to push it more, waited another hour, then tracked it blood drop by blood drop for 700-800 hundred yards! 3 hours! Its dressed out at abot 180-200 lbs, four tines on one side and 6 on the other. Went out this morning and in the first 20 minutes my cousin dropped a nice 7 pointer with a messed up tine growing down and into his ear from the exact same distance and spot I hit mine with the arrow!!!!! Good Luck and happy hunting, I'am no longer frustrated with bow hunting!!!!

Re: 200 Yards????

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Posted by Tod Vandrish on November 06, 2000 at 11:31:06:

In Reply to: Re: 200 Yards???? posted by howard on November 02, 2000 at 16:22:55:

I'm not disputing that it can't be done. All I am saying is that I wouldn't assume it's going to hit it's mark because the ballistics tables say so. I would take it out to a range and shoot it at 200 yards. Theory does not always equal practice. Good luck and good hunting.

Tod

Re: Gettin them in closer

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Posted by blackwolf on November 06, 2000 at 11:21:08:

In Reply to: Gettin them in closer posted by Kern on November 05, 2000 at 20:29:56:

tRY A DOE OR A FAWN BLEAT, WHEN THE RUT IS ON, YOUNG BUCKS ARE LEARY OF THE OLDER BUCKS

How do I get to Holland Marsh from Toronto?

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Posted by john on November 05, 2000 at 22:51:42:

Any directions/advice would be apperciated. Thanks in advance!

Gettin them in closer

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Posted by Kern on November 05, 2000 at 20:29:56:

Was out again today and had a small buck walk into me from across a cut corn feild. He wasnt comin straight but more on an angle that would put him some distance from me whe he came to my side. A few soft grunts got his attention a few times as he was crosing but I couldnt get him to change direction into me. What do you guys do?? Can you change the direction of a young buck with a call??

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by Josh on November 05, 2000 at 18:46:29:

In Reply to: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

One word . . . ALLIANCE!

Re: Smoking while hunting?

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Posted by Josh on November 05, 2000 at 17:55:37:

In Reply to: Re: Smoking while hunting? posted by Braden on November 03, 2000 at 17:18:25:

Nice size mallards at that!!!!!!!!! See ya tonight.

Re: Well.....

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Posted by Tomm on November 05, 2000 at 11:22:09:

In Reply to: Well..... posted by Braden on November 04, 2000 at 20:05:18:

I have exactly the same gun, but with a red dot Tasco sight. I sighted my gun in yesterday with Remington 3" copper sabot slugs at 100 yds and held to a pattern of 2" apart for 4 slugs. I would be royally p----- off if I had to use 4 boxes at over $20.00 a box to sight in. Thanks for the warning, I almost bought a box of Winchester sabots. Good luck Mon.

Well.....

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Posted by Braden on November 04, 2000 at 20:05:18:

In Reply to: Poor Experience with the New Winchester Sabot Slug posted by Andy on November 04, 2000 at 13:00:25:

It ain't gonna work for everyone. Sounds like you'll be doing fine with your regular slug, so I wouldn't worry. Good luck.

Braden

Poor Experience with the New Winchester Sabot Slug

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Posted by Andy on November 04, 2000 at 13:00:25:

My Remington 870 Express Super Magnum with the 21" Rifled Slug Barrel and 1.5-5X scope, spits out the new Winchester Partition gold Sabot Slugs like I would rancid goat meat. At 100 yds I get 12" groups while Winchester's Supreme 3" Sabot Slugs (1 oz and 1550 fps at the muzzle), give me consistent 3" groups at 100 yds. This is after shooting 3 boxes of each. I have the bruises and empty wallet to prove it! Here's my point: those new slugs don't work in my gun and might not in yours; don't assume that because of all the hype and claims by Winchester, some magazines and perhaps even first hand by shooters, that it will work as well in your set up. Obviously I don't hold an anti-Winchester bias, and my testing was adequate to satisfy me. Iwas hoping I could get another 50 yds out of my rig using that slug, but will have to stay within 100-125 yds. Seeing as I was sighting in my 243 at 200 yds, I tried out the Supreme slug at that distance, not expecting much from it . Held 12" and then 18" above centre and didn't even touch paper. That's a 100 yds slug.

Re: Cooler nights & deer

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Posted by HARVIE on November 04, 2000 at 09:40:00:

In Reply to: Re: Cooler nights & deer posted by Brad on November 03, 2000 at 22:27:32:

Seeing lots of other hunters. I was on my stand the other morning and had three doe come running by at a hundred miles an hour; 5 minutes later I see this guy walk up to a pine on one of the runways I was watching and start to build a stand. All this a t 630 in the am. I haven`t seen a buck all week only flat heads.

Re: Smoking while hunting?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on November 04, 2000 at 07:09:55:

In Reply to: Re: Smoking while hunting? posted by Matt Ende on November 03, 2000 at 14:25:15:

The trick is to eat venison for dinner every night of the hunt, that way if you have to take a dump in the bush, you'll smell like a deer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA........good luck to all next week & I too am off to kill some deer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Duck report...

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Posted by Braden on November 03, 2000 at 23:56:53:

In Reply to: Re: Duck report... posted by Matt on November 03, 2000 at 23:07:23:

good to hear they did O.K. Sounds like They got an interesting bag. I got another Brant goose on Thursday morning, not sure if I mentioned it. We had a group of four come in on Monday, and we missed one, and I doubt there are many Brants hanging around down there so it likely was the last one. BTW they where all atlantic Brant. Quite the bird really, and it rates as probably the most unusual bird I've shot. I'll let you know how they eat. Or I can save one, and hopefully we can get everyone together for a duck dinner at the end of the season. I'll call you before Sunday, Has Fred seen much in the way of deer? Going out with Ang in the A.M off the beach. I'll tell you how it goes.

Braden

Re: Duck report...

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Posted by Matt on November 03, 2000 at 23:07:23:

In Reply to: Re: Smoking while hunting? posted by Braden on November 03, 2000 at 17:18:25:

Braden, from what I've seen you always got your your weenie in your hand! Just kidding buddy... The boys up North got into some greenheads, GWT, spiketails, wee-geon, gadwall, blacks and Lessers. Not too many ducks in the area. Have faith that the wind will back to the North eventually, and we'll get into some proper shooting again, soon. For now, were gonna have to chase "Deer". Fred claims that a PAIR of wing spinners are quite effective when the birds coming into roost. Call me before Sunday, or I'll call you.

Re: Cooler nights & deer

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Posted by Brad on November 03, 2000 at 22:27:32:

In Reply to: Re: Cooler nights & deer posted by Steve Redgwell on November 02, 2000 at 11:30:02:

Seen 16 deer in 6 days of hunting have watched them go from feeding all together to scattered groups to bucks fighting and strickly following does. Afew nights ago i had a nice 8 pter in front of me when a smallspike runs out and continues to pester the big guy by tapping his antlers. The next morning I seen the same bigger buck by him self him must of gave the small one a run for his money. I'm still seeing lone does. Hunting in Lindsay.

Re: Gananoque Wildlife Area

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Posted by HARVIE on November 03, 2000 at 19:00:18:

In Reply to: Gananoque Wildlife Area posted by Dave on November 02, 2000 at 14:51:13:

Hunted there in 97, just during the bow season. Most of the sign was towards the east end of the area. Be careful during the gun season I hear it gets real busy.

Re: Smoking while hunting?

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Posted by Braden on November 03, 2000 at 17:18:25:

In Reply to: Re: Smoking while hunting? posted by Fischer on November 03, 2000 at 15:13:53:

Shot 2 Mallards last night with my weiner hanging in the wind. Didn't even have time to pull my pants up, they where locked up on the decoys, and I never saw them come in.

Re: Smoking while hunting?

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Posted by Fischer on November 03, 2000 at 15:13:53:

In Reply to: Re: Smoking while hunting? posted by Matt Ende on November 03, 2000 at 14:25:15:

Good story. My buddies hunt up near North Bay and the camp owners wife hunts too. Two years ago, she just finished a nature call when she saw an 8 point buck looking at her from about 25 yards. She managed to get her rifle up and drop the deer (don't know if she took care of any other business first, like buttons and zippers).

Anyway, last year all the guys wanted her to visit their stands when she had the urge.

Re: Smoking while hunting?

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Posted by Matt Ende on November 03, 2000 at 14:25:15:

In Reply to: Re: go with your gut? posted by blackwolf on November 02, 2000 at 23:51:25:

On the last day of the 1999 rifle hunt, I had a Doe and her 2 fawns pass within about 6 feet of where I had just 'gone to the bathroom', and I was smoking a cigarette. They of course came in from upwind - You should have seen their faces when the passed by and caught a whiff (and sight) of me! They didn't waste any time dissappearing. This just goes to show that (A) always face upwind, (B) always be alert and ready, and (C) watch what you eat the night before hunting! Good Luck next week.

Re: I gotta wait two more weeks!

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Posted by Fischer on November 03, 2000 at 10:16:30:

In Reply to: Good Luck Next week! posted by John Y Cannuck on November 03, 2000 at 07:06:34:

Manitoulin hunt. But I'm ready!

I'll be back in plenty of time to vote. The Alliance thing is a done deal. I'm also getting a lawn sign, now that they've nominated someone for my riding.

Just gotta work on the neighbours...

Re: Good Luck Next week!

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Posted by mike on November 03, 2000 at 09:42:29:

In Reply to: Good Luck Next week! posted by John Y Cannuck on November 03, 2000 at 07:06:34:

Thanks : I Will Need It as always. I hope you have a safe hunt plus fill your meat pole up..Good Hunting..

Re: Good Luck Next week!

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Posted by Chuck on November 03, 2000 at 08:49:40:

In Reply to: Good Luck Next week! posted by John Y Cannuck on November 03, 2000 at 07:06:34:

Yes good luck to everyone next week. May the deer gods smile on us all.

Good Luck Next week!

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on November 03, 2000 at 07:06:34:

And don't forget to push you buddies to vote Alliance!

Re: deer barrel

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Posted by Mike on November 03, 2000 at 06:04:22:

In Reply to: deer barrel posted by J Moore on November 02, 2000 at 20:55:49:

Ontario Sporting Supplies 905-660-6063 located at hwy 7 & Jane Street has some slug barrels in the store last week....give them a call................

Re: go with your gut?

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Posted by blackwolf on November 02, 2000 at 23:51:25:

In Reply to: go with your gut? posted by Rob S on November 02, 2000 at 21:50:53:

Did you try calling? What I use is a deer decoy, this time of the rut I try to give the buck somthing to think about like maybe twenty or more points, having a doe decoy around helps too, but the big ones won't care about anything else but that big buck in his territory.Try putting the buck about ten yards from a scrape. I shot the biggest buck,to that point, 14 points, with a cigerette in my mouth not paying much attention, and the buck attacking the decoy.Just a suggestion. Blackwolf

go with your gut?

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Posted by Rob S on November 02, 2000 at 21:50:53:

walking into my hunting area tonight I decided to stay out of my tree stand and stay at my ground stand, it's a huge white pine along side a river bank. I got my self comfortable and then for some unknown reason I got the the great Idea to forgo this stand and head for my tree stand? the tree stand is about 125 yds away but I still can see my ground stand. Well about 5 pm. walking along the riverbed was Mr. big or atleast his brother, right past my ground stand within 20 yds max. moral of the story, go with your gut the first time! well Ill try again tomorrow isint bow huntin great!

Re: It was a blast!!!

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Posted by George on November 02, 2000 at 21:21:44:

In Reply to: Re: It was a blast!!! posted by Alain on November 02, 2000 at 10:42:31:

Tomoro is friday. I hope I will get a duck. And maybe a few geese. I have heard from my dad that the Northerns are in. Is that true? Or is my dad trying to convert me to #2 shot only? because my dad's friend is letting me try out a BB shot tomorow. to see what I like to shoot. Well I gess this is the Time to start packing and getting the deeks ready. pray for me.

deer barrel

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Posted by J Moore on November 02, 2000 at 20:55:49:

Just looking for a deer barrel for my Remington 870 express super magnum pump action shot gun.

Re: Cooler nights & deer

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Posted by Pete on November 02, 2000 at 16:55:02:

In Reply to: Cooler nights & deer posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 10:37:15:

On Oct 29 I was out on a farm where I had seen tracks but never a deer yet. At around half light a does crossed the alfalfa in front of me out 150 yds or so. Then at 8:00 I see another deer, a buck, walking a nearby fencerow and then 10 minutes later another one passes behind me. But at 8:20 AM I hear a lot of thrashing around. Two bucks are fighting in the corn field that's one field over from me. They then jump the fence into my field, circle around each other once and start meandering down into my corner. As fortune had it the smaller 10 pt comes right along the fencerow I'm in with the bigger bodied 6 pt about 8 yds behind. I did get the shot and I did get the 10 pointer but here's the really neat part. The deer fell about 30 yd away in the alfalfa (45 yds from me) but the 6 pointer then proceeds to fight with the downed deer. For 30 minutes he stomped and scratched at the ground trying to get the other buck to have a go with him. I think the cold snap has triggered the emergence of the buck frenzy. Maybe I'm just lucky but that sight will certainly make me rethink the cold night effect on these deer. Oh yeah, I saw a really impressive buck on the drive home about 5 yds off the paved road at 9:30. Maybe next year.

Re: 200 Yards????

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Posted by howard on November 02, 2000 at 16:22:55:

In Reply to: 200 Yards???? posted by Tod Vandrish on November 02, 2000 at 08:47:08:

The only slug that I would use at this distance is the Win. Partition Gold slug. At 200 yards the slug still has 1530 ft.- Ibs. of energy. Take a look at some of the articles in U.S. publications. A number of the writers have taken deer at this distance using the Partition Gold slug. Check out slug ballistic tables at the Winchester webstie.

Gananoque Wildlife Area

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Posted by Dave on November 02, 2000 at 14:51:13:

Has anyone ever hunted deer at this little piece of public land just north of the 401? I'm going to get out the first couple of days of the season and I'm just curious if anyone else has ever had any luck there. There will be three of us out there, and if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to hunt them with only 3 people it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Re: Cooler nights & deer

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Posted by bowhunter on November 02, 2000 at 14:12:40:

In Reply to: Cooler nights & deer posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 10:37:15:

Monday morning things looked like they were going to start happening. Between my partner and myself we saw 4 deer including 1 nice buck at about 40 yds. I was out yesterday afternoon until dark. It was a beautiful afternoon and the wild turkeys were active, but not so the deer. I sat in my stand until well after legal shooting time, just to see if any activity would start. Didn't see anyhthing until I climbed out of my stand at about 5:35. Just as my feet touched the ground, I heard the pitter patter of a deer approaching. It passed me only about 20 yds. In the darkness, all I could see was a silouette. Not even sure if it was a buck or doe. Sure wish the the rut would get rolling. I had observed far more rutting activity by this time last year.

Re: Cooler nights & deer

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 02, 2000 at 11:30:02:

In Reply to: Cooler nights & deer posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 10:37:15:

Last year I was out walking in a field that has some wild crabapple trees in it. I sat down around supper and waited for the deer to come in. After a while they did and I broke a twig to get their attention. There was a buck about 40 yds away from me when I snapped it. His head came up and he snorted. I snorted back and he raised his head, looking for me I suppose. I'd never tried snorting before, but it seems to hold them still. I wasn't out hunting that afternoon, but I repeated the exercise a few more times to see if it was a "one of" event. I am curious. Has anyone ever snorted to hold a deer on spot?

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.com

Re: Mossberg 835 for sale

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Posted by Zach on November 02, 2000 at 10:56:48:

In Reply to: Mossberg 835 for sale posted by Luke on September 17, 2000 at 11:15:51:

I am taking my hunters saftey course right now. I am just going to bird hunt, so I need a shotgun(obviously). I have been doing research on the Mossberg 835. If you could E-mail me if you have any information I would really appreciate it. THANKS!!

Re: Mossberg 835 for sale

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Posted by Alec on November 02, 2000 at 10:56:32:

In Reply to: Mossberg 835 for sale posted by Luke on September 17, 2000 at 11:15:51:

I am taking my hunters saftey course right now. I am just going to bird hunt, so I need a shotgun(obviously). I have been doing research on the Mossberg 835. If you could E-mail me if you have any information I would really appreciate it. THANKS!!

Re: Mossberg 835 for sale

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Posted by Zach on November 02, 2000 at 10:56:18:

In Reply to: Mossberg 835 for sale posted by Luke on September 17, 2000 at 11:15:51:

I am taking my hunters saftey course right now. I am just going to bird hunt, so I need a shotgun(obviously). I have been doing research on the Mossberg 835. If you could E-mail me if you have any information I would really appreciate it. THANKS!!

Re: It was a blast!!!

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Posted by Alain on November 02, 2000 at 10:42:31:

In Reply to: It was a blast!!! posted by George Moore on November 01, 2000 at 07:39:58:

Good luck on Friday!!!! can't wait to bring my son hunting. he is now 11 years old and i hope one day he shows as much excitment as you !!! Have a good time with your dad , I know he is loving every minute out there with you

Cooler nights & deer

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Posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 10:37:15:

Earlier this week I went out in the evening and it was the best one to date as far as seeing deer. Soon after I get there, a small doe walks right in behind me. I was on the ground along a fence line and she just walks right up to with 10 yrds and starts lookin me over. I didnt try to turn around because she was so close and looking right me. I just froze and hoped that she would jump the fence and put herself infront of me but she bounced off in another direction when she noticed that the fence post she was looking at had a head that turned around!!

Shortly after that a nice 6 point hops the fence beside me. He gives me a broad side shot right away but I take a moment to try to estimate the distance between us. He turns and starts to walk away and even with a few bleets on the call, all he does is turn his head to look. Two more deer follow him out and start to feed. I stay to watch them for a while and they eventually make their way right infront of me, but by then its well past shooting time.

I later pace off the distance to the first buck at about 42yrds and as close as he looked, Im glad I didnt try the shot. If im lucky, he wont be so lucky next time.

Kern

Re: stock exchange fall / correction

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Posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 09:31:55:

In Reply to: Re: stock exchange fall posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 09:21:09:

Nortel represents about 30% of the TSE 300 index not the complete TSE as I posted.

Re: stock exchange fall

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Posted by Kern on November 02, 2000 at 09:21:09:

In Reply to: Re: OH !! Please !!!! posted by blackwolf on November 01, 2000 at 19:18:14:

Im no expert, but I do trade a little on the side. With online trading becoming the norm almost anyone with an interest and a few dollars can start trading right from their desk at work!{shhhhh :) } As for our little upset last week... Last week was "report card time", the time when many companies release their quarterly earnings reports. Nortel came in a little shy of original forcasts. Not by much mind you! Nortel was expected to have a growth rate of 125% but only accomplished 90% growth!!

Nortel represents about 30% of the trading and value of the TSE. Every Canadian fund has some Nortel content. Many have as much as 10% when the norm is around 2% per sector...that gives you an indication of how well the company is doing and how many people are watching the performance of this company.

The result of all this is that when Nortel goes up, the TSE goes up and when Nortel goes down the TSE will follow. As soon as unfavourable news hits the market, unexperienced people tend to over react and thats what caused the 30%+ fall in the TSE last week. Infact trading became so heavy in Nortel stock, that it brought down the computers at the TSE!

Speculation that the high end communication market is cooling off has slowed the recovery of last weeks fall but Im sure it will bounce back as soon as everyone realizes that the sky isnt falling.

Kern

Re: duck and goose hunting in niagara

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Posted by John Mastrandrea on November 02, 2000 at 08:57:35:

In Reply to: duck and goose hunting in niagara posted by todd on November 01, 2000 at 20:46:56:

I have been hunted the port colbourne area and did not have much luck 2 weeks ago. I spotted several geese, but for the most part, they were out of range. I'll e-mail you with specifics if your interested. Where do you hunt on the Welland River? Any luck/sightings? E-mail me if you don't want to post.

200 Yards????

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Posted by Tod Vandrish on November 02, 2000 at 08:47:08:

In Reply to: Re: Rifled Slug Barrel posted by howard on November 01, 2000 at 21:04:44:

Hello Howard

I don't want to sound like a pesimist here but are you sure your slug will hit it's mark at two hundred yards. I have yet to see a slug gun that can consistently do that and would never even consider taking a shot at that distance on anything alive.

Just a suggestion, but I think if you are planning at shooting 200 yards, the only way to gain confidence is to shoot at 200 yards. I hope I am not sounding like I am preaching but unless you can consistently group at 200 yards I wouldn't suggest that shot.

Best of luck and good hunting.

Tod

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Eric on November 02, 2000 at 07:08:12:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

Remington 742 BDL with 165 gr. "Core-Lokt" PSP

I think I'll second that motion!!

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Posted by Tackleberry on November 01, 2000 at 22:18:25:

In Reply to: Re: OH !! Please !!!! posted by Mike on November 01, 2000 at 06:36:22:

xxx

Re: Rifled Slug Barrel

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Posted by howard on November 01, 2000 at 21:04:44:

In Reply to: Re: Rifled Slug Barrel posted by George on November 01, 2000 at 12:23:18:

Hi George. I shoot a Savage bolt action slug gun. My hunting partner shoots a 11-87, using the Federal Barns he is able to cut the same hole on a 50 yard target. Because the wind can play havoc on shotgun slugs we set up our targets at 50 yards,and keep the shots 2" high of center. The longest shot I've got from my tree stand is just under 200 yards, I'm confident that the Winchester Partition Gold slugs will do the job.

duck and goose hunting in niagara

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Posted by todd on November 01, 2000 at 20:46:56:

Has anyone been out duck or goose hunting in the niagara region around Welland area. Just wandering if the birds are down there yet. Hunting the Welland River Saturday morning.

Re: OH !! Please !!!!

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Posted by blackwolf on November 01, 2000 at 19:18:14:

In Reply to: Re: OH !! Please !!!! posted by Mike on November 01, 2000 at 06:36:22:

I agree, the gov't has a habit of bending us over and really sc...ing us its just that the sand in the lubracant is really starting to hurt! There is more to this election than the gun laws, (yes thats important) but the policies of each party. Chretian wants to spend spend spend to make sure that we maintain the present economy rather than Stockwell who wants to cut taxes to make the economy stronger.The problem is that I beleive that we are headed for another resession, look at the stock exchange and the fall that it took just last week. Remember BlackMonday and what happened afterward? Harris has proven that tax cuts do make the economy stronger, but I'm only a lowly tradesman, any economists out there that will backup or dispute me?

Re: Antler scoring technique

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Posted by Kevin on November 01, 2000 at 18:11:26:

In Reply to: Antler scoring technique posted by Pete on November 01, 2000 at 17:03:53:

This link might help.
B&C

Antler scoring technique

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Posted by Pete on November 01, 2000 at 17:03:53:

Could someone steer me towards the right way to score a set of whitetail deer antlers. I realize that what I have right now is a pre 60 day drying period set but I have others that are older and I don't know 'officially' how its done. I have had one set officially scored.

Thanks for any help.

Pete

Re: Rifled Slug Barrel

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Posted by George on November 01, 2000 at 12:23:18:

In Reply to: Re: Rifled Slug Barrel posted by howard on October 31, 2000 at 21:58:16:

Thanks Howard. Do you shoot an 11-87? I was at the range and saw a guy shooting a beneli with the new winchesters, he was getting a 4' drop at 150 yards and about 1.5' groups. Amazing.

Re: duck hunting

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Posted by Kern on November 01, 2000 at 08:25:26:

In Reply to: Re: duck hunting posted by Braden on October 31, 2000 at 21:46:53:

Thats good advice for anywhere Braden. You see alot of the crap you speak of in all public places.

It was a blast!!!

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Posted by George Moore on November 01, 2000 at 07:39:58:

The first time I went hunting, Last Sat. me and my dad went duck hunting at hullet, we had blind 38. We diden't get any but it was fun. I got a shot at a few ducks but it didn't bring them down. We were using a #2 shot. That my dad insisted I had to shoot! Were are planing another hunting time on fri. Wish me luck!

Re: OH !! Please !!!!

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Posted by Mike on November 01, 2000 at 06:36:22:

In Reply to: OH !! Please !!!! posted by Tackleberry on October 31, 2000 at 08:32:59:

Where did I say I wouldn't vote for the Alliance because of his name???? You sure can read a lot into a statement............all I said was it was a stupid name!!!!! I also said that like all the rest, he is a liar!!! Already proven and he's not even in office yet!!!! I'm against the gun registration etc, but you can rest assured that any party that gets in will just continue on with it......just like in the past.......they all say what they will do when they get into power & when that happens they tend to forget what they promised & spend the time fattening up their pensions!!!!!!! To be honest, the only politician I believe is Mike Harris, he said what he was going to do when he was elected and goll darn, he did it!!!!! MIKE HARRIS FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Rifled Slug Barrel

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Posted by THE ORIGINAL REDNECK HUNTER on November 01, 2000 at 06:29:41:

In Reply to: Re: Rifled Slug Barrel posted by howard on October 31, 2000 at 21:58:16:

I use the Challenger slugs in mine and can place 3 slugs in the X ring on a handgun target at 100yds shooting freehand with Tru-Glow sights. Don't think I could do any better if I tried..........

Re: Are there any divers yet?

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Posted by Todd on October 31, 2000 at 23:33:23:

In Reply to: Are there any divers yet? posted by norton on October 31, 2000 at 23:04:28:

No divers, just mallards

Are there any divers yet?

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Posted by norton on October 31, 2000 at 23:04:28:

In Reply to: Re: Where are the ducks? posted by Todd Parkes on October 31, 2000 at 19:20:22:

Thanks Todd,but are there any divers or just puddles?

Re: Rifled Slug Barrel

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Posted by howard on October 31, 2000 at 21:58:16:

In Reply to: Rifled Slug Barrel posted by George on October 31, 2000 at 08:48:51:

The Remington 11-87 has a 1-in-35 twist.The best slug for the 11-87 are the Remington Copper Solid, Lightfields and Federal Barns. The new Winchester Supreme Partition slugs are shooting out to 200 yards, but all are sold out in Ontario.

Re: duck hunting

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Posted by Braden on October 31, 2000 at 21:46:53:

In Reply to: duck hunting posted by Todd on October 31, 2000 at 19:27:53:

Holland marsh can provide exceptional duck hunting, but you have to know how to hunt it. Sorry if I can't provide specifics, but I hunt it myself, and I am not big on competition. I'll tell you a few things not to do however. 1) Don't hunt from the berm, you'll kill few ducks. 2) Don't show up without a dog, or a boat, or at the very least waders. You need some means to retrieve a crippled/dead bird. 3) DECOYS!!! Standing in the bushes hoping for something to fly overhead seldom works in the late season. 4) Please observe legal shooting hours, people frequently shoot before legal light and well after dark both in the holland and on cooks bay, this is not okay, some would call the things that go on there night hunting. Sunrise/sunset hours are are on the weather network every night. 5) Calling, practice calling. Late season mallards don't need a lot, just a bit to alert them to your presence, then shut up!

This may seem like a flame on you but it really isn't. Follow these guidlines and explore the marsh and you might be surprised. Sorry I'm not more specific ie: where to go but I can't do it my man. Btw we where shooting greenwings right up until 8 days ago. Good luck

duck hunting

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Posted by Todd on October 31, 2000 at 19:27:53:

New to Newmarket area. Does any one know any good duck hunting spots, besides the Holland Marsh.

Re: Where are the ducks?

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Posted by Todd Parkes on October 31, 2000 at 19:20:22:

In Reply to: Where are the ducks? posted by Norton on October 28, 2000 at 04:03:34:

Hunted the Holland Marsh Oct. 30/00 morning

A couple of pairs came in but that was it. Not that good.

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on October 31, 2000 at 12:04:16:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by Fischer on October 31, 2000 at 10:28:48:

Sorry Fischer, you are right of course

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by Fischer on October 31, 2000 at 10:28:48:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 31, 2000 at 08:33:48:

I think you meant Mike. I haven't voted Liberal in 20 years.

Re: Scope choice

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 31, 2000 at 09:58:10:

In Reply to: Re: Scope choice posted by Rob S on October 30, 2000 at 20:40:37:

I agree with this guy, the VARI-X III scopes are my personal preference. Light gathering, on the 1.5-5 all the way up to the 6.5-20 is amazing, so is resolution and contrast, because of superior lense coating. The windage adjustments are more positive than those on Vari-X II. The 1.5-5 is ideal for a big-game rifle, so is the 2.5-8, and the 3-9. They are very expensive, but it is my philosophy that a few very fine things is a lot better than many peices of crap.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Nomad on October 31, 2000 at 09:22:36:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

Back to basics this year. No scope, no fancy calibre, an old Enfield No 1 Mk 3 in the venerable old .303 British.

But then again I'll probably just fall asleep under an oak tree anyway.

Re: Wildlife Anatomy

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Posted by Nomad on October 31, 2000 at 09:02:04:

In Reply to: Wildlife Anatomy posted by David on October 31, 2000 at 07:21:42:

Heres a few i dug out through searches on altavista.com

have a safe season, I know i'm looking forward to it.

try this for Whitetail http://www.whitetails.com/shot.html or http://www.nbef.org/deer_java.html

for elk http://www.nbef.org/elk_java.html

for black bear http://bowhunting.rivals.com/default.asp?p=2&sid=777&stid=185874

for moose http://fir.state.ak.us/local/akpages/FISH.GAME/wildlife/geninfo/hunting/huntak16.htm

Rifled Slug Barrel

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Posted by George on October 31, 2000 at 08:48:51:

Just picked up a rifled barrel for my 11-87. Does anyone know what type of twist it has, and what slug performs best with it?

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on October 31, 2000 at 08:33:48:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by Mike on October 31, 2000 at 06:13:44:

Fischer I get the idea that you have never voted anything but Liberal. You are a hard sell. Remember it's only four years. You get to keep your guns. Chretien and his cronies learn (maybe) that they can't be so damned arrogant. We get to show the world that our system works, and that we don't have to put up with crap like C68

OH !! Please !!!!

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 31, 2000 at 08:32:59:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by Mike on October 31, 2000 at 06:13:44:

Now that makes alot of sense, !!!!

"I'm going to put my country in jeopardy because I don't like the name the canidates parents picked."

Now I've heard everything!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure you are on this forum for a reason, ...... then think about what the firearms act means to you. I don't mean getting a PAL I don't mean registering, I mean passing the bill into law with blank pages! I mean the aquisition of search warrents for anything related to firearms on flimsy reasoning. Think long Think hard.

On top of everthing else look for answers, NOT here & NOT in the media!!!!!! Take a couple of mins. and deside what country you are going to live in. You reep the out come as well as your children.

NOT A FLAME , just passion!

Tack

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by glenn on October 31, 2000 at 08:30:00:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

I'll be toting a Remington 7400 in .308, shooting 180 grain Winchester ammunition.

Wildlife Anatomy

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Posted by David on October 31, 2000 at 07:21:42:

Can anyone suggest a websight that will show the anatomy of the available game species that we hunt in Ontario. I'm sure it would be helpfull to all hunters that use this sight.

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by Mike on October 31, 2000 at 06:13:44:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by Fischer on October 30, 2000 at 14:59:52:

I totally agree with what you say, but I do remember a few years back whne everyone was fed up with the party in power & voted in the NDP!!!!!!!!! Remember that.......we got rally screwed..............bottom line is they are all liars & cheats and are only in office to line their own pockets & pension plans.........like i've said previoulsy, i'd much rather stick with a lying b*stard that I know rather than put in some lying idiot I don't know & Stockwell Day (what a stupid name to start with) is a proven liar, just like the rest of them!!!!!!!!

Re: late season shot size

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Posted by sparky on October 31, 2000 at 01:04:02:

In Reply to: late season shot size posted by blackwolf on October 30, 2000 at 21:51:01:

I'm also with Kern on this one ! At 20 to 30 yards it does not matter. I generally stay with the same number shot from start to finish, which is #2 or BB in 3" Challengers. And 3.5" T's for the geese.

Good luck with your choice !

Sparky

Re: late season shot size

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Posted by west on October 30, 2000 at 22:59:55:

In Reply to: late season shot size posted by blackwolf on October 30, 2000 at 21:51:01:

Hey Blackwolf,

I personally shoot the same shells from opener to the close. I personally like #1's for both geese and ducks. I've limited out almost every trip this year and have only used 2 shot sizes #1 and #2 in 3" Challenger. As kern says stick with what patterns best in your gun. No need for overkill a little extra down will not stop a 3" #1 at the correct yardage. It has been my experience that those who size up dramatically are skybusters to begin with!! Good luck in the remainder of the season!

WEST

Re: late season shot size

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Posted by Kern on October 30, 2000 at 22:34:08:

In Reply to: late season shot size posted by blackwolf on October 30, 2000 at 21:51:01:

At 20 yrds the only thing that will stop #2 shot is kevlar. I dont think it makes a difference late or early season as far as feathers go. Shoot what your gun patterns best.

late season shot size

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Posted by blackwolf on October 30, 2000 at 21:51:01:

a friend came over tonight and opened an old debate as to which shot is better in the late season. He contends that the down on waterfowl is denser so therefore he should use heavier shot especially with steel that it would have better penetration and give you longer shots. I still contend that size doesn't matter that a well placed shot with the same shot that I used earlier in the season that still patterns well is still the best. He wants to go from # 2 to BBB, I want to remain at # 2 shot.All shots should be in the 20-30 yard range. Any opinions? Who do you guys think is right?

Re: Scope choice

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Posted by Rob S on October 30, 2000 at 20:40:37:

In Reply to: Re: Scope choice posted by Matt Ende on October 30, 2000 at 13:58:48:

leopould all the way, mine has been dropped banged submerged and thrown form hellicopters and float planes with a few scratches but BANG ON, still! vari x 3 1.5 - 5 the light gathering is awsome, I have it on my exocet now and its great in low light

What's HUGE?

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Posted by Leon on October 30, 2000 at 17:31:35:

In Reply to: Re: saw a bear while deer hunting? posted by sheephunter on October 27, 2000 at 15:03:05:

What's HUGE?

Re: PAL alternate testing ...

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Posted by Gunnermca on October 30, 2000 at 15:16:15:

In Reply to: Re: PAL alternate testing ... posted by bowhunter on October 30, 2000 at 12:37:08:

Any idea on what the test consisted of??? How many questions/types of questions etc.?

I know when I b*tched at them at the Fall Hunting Show they were most pleased at the failure rate (their joy was hard to contain ... approx 2/3rds of applicants failed) as no doubt this meant more paperwork/hassles = their still employed!!!

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by Fischer on October 30, 2000 at 14:59:52:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by Mike on October 29, 2000 at 08:18:20:

Reform/Alliance has been opposed to C-68 from the start. Gerry Breitkreuz is the Alliance MP who has made all the Access to Information requests that gets the information out to the public about just how wasteful and useless C-68 is. Without him and the Alliance, you'd have Chretien and McLellan standing up there and saying everything is on budget and on time.

How many times do you have to be lied to before you say "Enough"? If everyone is like you, we may just as well do away with elections altogether, because as it is, we basically have an elected dictator!

The Liberals are in the unique position of being able to take the best of the left and the right, and use it as their own. That mini-budget that Paul Martin brought out just before the election was all part of the Alliance platform that was co-opted by Chretien and his cronies. He's a crooked, arrogant, opportunistic *((&)#$ who knows darn well that if he waited till next spring to call an election his popularity would be in the toilet! Look how far it's dropped in the two weeks since the election was called.

I don't like to think of myself as a one-issue voter. I've seen enough of Chretien's lying manipulation of health care, C-68, armed forces, GST and any number of other issues, that I know I'll never vote Liberal until he and anyone currently connected to the party is long gone.

DONT VOTE NDP EITHER!

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 30, 2000 at 14:02:20:

In Reply to: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

We need the Alliance in the house with a mjority vote. So don't vote for NDP eiter.

Re: Scope choice

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 30, 2000 at 13:58:48:

In Reply to: Scope choice posted by Paolo on October 30, 2000 at 13:06:36:

You didn't mention what type of scope you wanted, but I will assume that it is a mid-power variable to be put on a big-game rifle. In that case, we are comparing the Elite 3200 3-9x40($300) and the VXII 3-9x40($400). I have used both scopes, including an older Elite 4000 6-24, a 3000 5-15x50, a 3000 3-9x50, the new 4200 4-16, as well as a few VXIIIs. First off, the Bushnell has the new rain-guard which is very handy (it works), and is a few bucks cheaper. The Leupold is very comparable in terms of quality, but on the plus side is made with a little less plastic, and is guaranteed for life. You also can choose from a few different reticles, and the 40 or 50mm objective, whatever you prefer. Very similar, no big differences, just a matter of preference. If you go with the Bushnell, you'll have a enough dough left over to get proper Leupold bases and rings, and get a good gunsmith to lap the rings, lok-tite the screws, center and mount the scope, etc. If you go with the Leupold, you will need even more money to buy it and get the thing mounted. But, I have heard that Bushnell has terrible customer service, and Leupold is impeccable, even in honouring their guarantee. Finally, the Leupold in American made, while the Bushnell was likely put together in Macau or Taiwan. Honestly, I doubt you could go wrong with either, so pick one up in each hand, examine them side-by-side, and decide which one you like best. They are both good.

Scope choice

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Posted by Paolo on October 30, 2000 at 13:06:36:

I am thinking about picking up a new scope but am stick between a Leupold Vari-X II and the Bushnell Elite 3200.Does any one have any of these and what are your preferences?Thanks

Re: PAL alternate testing ...

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Posted by bowhunter on October 30, 2000 at 12:37:08:

In Reply to: PAL alternate testing ... posted by Gunnermca on October 30, 2000 at 11:13:53:

A friend of mine applied for the alternate testing. About 2 month later, out of the blue they called and wanted him to do the test right then. It was very inconvient for him to do it right then. When he suggested that they call him back at some other point in time, they told him it was either right the or not at all. He went ahead despite the fact he was pretty upset about the whole thing. He failed ! What's that all about. Quebec and Manitoba get through on the merits of thier hunter saftey course and this is the crap they do to us in Ontario. It's bull_____.

PAL alternate testing ...

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Posted by Gunnermca on October 30, 2000 at 11:13:53:

Has anyone had the opportunity (priveledge???) of having taken the "alternate" test via telephone to get their PAL??

I applied when it first came out in May of 2000 and have recently (very late October) been contacted by the CFC to take the exam over the phone. As I have not had a chance to talk to the person who has been calling me, I was just wondering if anyone else has taken it this way?? Please don't even suggest calling the 1-800 number to find out ... as I have better things to do than sit on hold (if you are even that lucky) for hours on end.

I also applied for my POL in August ... and lo and behold it arrived last week. I know people who have gone the whole route for the PAL (course, exam, etc.) and have not heard anything in over 6 months.

I will post any info I have on this if anyone else has chosen this option once I find out for myself.

Tahnks in advance.

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by mike on October 30, 2000 at 09:56:57:

In Reply to: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

I am voting ALLIANCE and i don't like the guy running in my area. I wish DAY would talk more about his stand on bill C68 have not heard anything on it. If he said something it would be on the NEWS.. Get out and VOTE>>>

Re: .308 Win bullet choice?

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Posted by THE ORIGINAL REDNECK HUNTER on October 30, 2000 at 05:52:35:

In Reply to: Re: .308 Win bullet choice? posted by Matt Ende on October 29, 2000 at 18:18:30:

Pattern them all in the gun you are using & use the best one! Very simple!

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by David on October 29, 2000 at 19:42:41:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

A new old 308 Win. model 88. Just sighted in today. Shoots great. Safe hunting.

Re: .308 Win bullet choice?

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 29, 2000 at 18:37:22:

In Reply to: .308 Win bullet choice? posted by Skyman on October 29, 2000 at 14:13:23:

When hunting with .30 calibre, I load 180 gr ballistics to 2470 fps for deer, and will bump this velocity up to about 2600 fps for bear and moose.

I've found that this range of velocities and bullet weights allow me to best utilize the design characteristics of the ballistic tip. I've previously used expanding bullets (old Imperial CPE's and Sabre Tips) on deer, moose and bear within these performance velocities with excellent results as well.

Re: .308 Win bullet choice?

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 29, 2000 at 18:18:30:

In Reply to: .308 Win bullet choice? posted by Skyman on October 29, 2000 at 14:13:23:

Any one of the caliber/bullet combinations you have mentioned have sufficient backbone and energy to kill pretty much anything that walks - if the animal is indeed hit fairly. I don't think you would notice any real difference in any of the bullets here, although ideally you would chose a 180g for Moose and Bears. The Trophy-Bonded is a very tough bullet, not intended to be used on deer as it is meant for tough, thick skin and bones critters that tend to fight back. It may not expand reliably on close shots and normal heart/lung broadside shots, although it will definateley hold up when used in 'small caliber for intended game' circumstances. The Federal HiShok is a good bullet for bears, but I would personally favour a 180 grain bullet; you will get better penetration due to higher sectional density (longer bullet). As far as energy and the speeds that you quoted, they may be a single way to compare different cartridges, but are irrelevent in terms of real life performance. What matters is shot placement and bullet performance (expansion and integrity) and quality (reliability). I would personally go with the 150g Nosler BT for deer, and the 180g Partition for Bears and Moose. The Remington CoreLokts are good too, as are the Winchester bullets, but for my money I'd rather stick to the 2 Noslers. In the hunting situation you have described here, as most normal hunting in Ontario goes, you will likely get a reasonably close shot on a calm animal, and nothing too outrageous in terms of bullet selection is needed, although I would of course stick with a premium quality bullet. (One less thing to worry about!)

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by roho on October 29, 2000 at 14:14:36:

In Reply to: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

if you don,t vote it,s as good as a vote for the liberals the status quo remains.Don,t forget the other liberal gifts to the tax payer.MASSIVE UEI premium increase, no benifit to the people that pay it.MASSIVE INCREASE TO CPP when you retire you won,t get back what you contribute.OWN OR OPERATE A BOAT ,no grandfather clause you pay again.The current economy is the result of global trends NOT the result of good government.DUMP THE LIBERALS NOW,your children will thank you

.308 Win bullet choice?

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Posted by Skyman on October 29, 2000 at 14:13:23:

Ok guys. Over the years I've accumulated a few different makes and models of .308 Win cartridges. I'm hunting the Haliburton Highlands in a mix of heavy greens and open hardwood. Every deer I've shot has been under 50 yards.

Here's what I got. Federal Premium High Energy, 165 gr. Trophy bonded bear claw. Muzzle energy is 2870 fps and muzzle velocity of 3020. Federal Classic, 150 gr. Hi-Shok soft point with M.V. of 2820 and M.E. 2650. Federal Premium, 180 gr. Nosler partion with M.V. of 2620 and M.E. of 2745. Remington Premier 165 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip with M.V. 2700 and M.E. of 2672. Remington Premier 180 gr. core-lokt soft point. I've got no numbers for this shell.

I generally use the 180 gr. for moose, the High Energy pattern the tightest and the Nosler partions seem to mushroom the most uniformly at all ranges. I will also be probally harvesting one of five bears I've got baited. What would you use?

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Skyman on October 29, 2000 at 13:47:44:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

Browning BLR in .308 Win. I'm not sure what bullet I'll be using. I've got a few end of boxes from Moose season and got a couple of new ones to try at the range.

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on October 29, 2000 at 13:07:37:

In Reply to: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

Hey I'm only asking you for one vote. We can pitch them in four years if they screw things up.

So Microsoft got hacked, what's next, the gun registry??

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by Mike on October 29, 2000 at 08:18:20:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by blackwolf on October 29, 2000 at 07:15:28:

Oh I plan on voting....just not sure which liar to vote for yet!!!!!!!!! I'm thinking it's better to keep a liar we know rather than get one in we don't know!!!!!!!!! But i'm still undecided!!!!

Re: Mossberg Model 55 magazine

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Posted by Simon on October 29, 2000 at 08:00:09:

In Reply to: Mossberg Model 55 magazine posted by Fischer on September 05, 2000 at 13:46:31:

Hi Fischer.

I've been looking for a clip for the same model of Mossberg. I found a gun shop last week that had a ton of them. I'm sorry I've forgotten the name of the store but its right on the end of Bancroft's main street. He has quite a few of them but he'll need your shotgun to fit a clip to it. Mossberg slightly changed the clips every couple of years.

I hope this helps.

Simon.

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by blackwolf on October 29, 2000 at 07:15:28:

In Reply to: Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by Mike on October 29, 2000 at 06:10:35:

If you check out the alliance web you will find that the alliance does plan on keeping its word and as far as the c-68 legislation goes, the proccess is already in the works.Beleive stockwell and the alliance? more than I beleive Chretian and his liberals, remember he vowed to get rid of the G.S.T then he lied about it afterwords.Anyway, if you don't vote, I beleive that you lose your right to complain.This is the time that we as freeborn Canadians get the final say.So go out and vote, or shut up!!!! Just my opinion of course.

Re: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by Mike on October 29, 2000 at 06:10:35:

In Reply to: Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

And you really believe what they are promising?????? Come on now, wake up & smell the coffee......don't get me wrong, i'm not for the Liberals, but any political party will say what you want to hear to get elected & when they do get elected, it's F___ YOU, i'm in here now & can do what I wnat not what I said I would do!!!!!!!!!! The only exception to this rule was Mike Harris, he was straigh up & said he was going to F___ us & he did!!!!!!!!!!! You gotta respect that!!!!!!! He said he was going to & he did!!!!!!!! Just my .02 cents worth..........off deer hunting very shortly...............to all those going into the woods, be safe & happy hunting & may your meat pole hang heavy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Where are the ducks?

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Posted by moose man on October 29, 2000 at 00:04:07:

In Reply to: Where are the ducks? posted by Norton on October 28, 2000 at 04:03:34:

was at tiny marsh yesterday and saw 3 mallards 4 swans and 3 teals. really slow evening hunt and never shot at anything. the evening hunt seems to be pretty boring.

Please Please, Don't Vote Liberal

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on October 28, 2000 at 19:33:33:

Remember bill C68 the gun control bill. The liberals fathered and intend to keep this bill. If it remains law, you, or your family may lose their guns. The Canadian Alliance, and the Progressive Conservatives have in their platfroms that they will get rid of this bill. Joe Clark (PC)is on record as personally supporting the bill, despite his platform. In Ontario, the Liberals got in by vote splitting between the PC and Reform last election. As the Alliance has the only real chance of defeating the Liberals in the comming election, I am asking you to please cast your vote in their favor. Just for once, don't vote Liberal, and don't Vote PC. One Issue, Get rid of C68!

Vote Alliance!

Re: first time going hunting!!!!!!!

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Posted by Fischer on October 28, 2000 at 18:07:50:

In Reply to: first time going hunting!!!!!!! posted by George on October 28, 2000 at 10:37:15:

Hope you have a good one! I really enjoy hunting with my son. He's away to College right now, but we'll be deer hunting again in 3 weeks.

Bluetick Coonhound

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Posted by Gordon Dafoe on October 28, 2000 at 12:42:43:

Looking for female bluetick coonhound pup ph 204-967-2248

first time going hunting!!!!!!!

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Posted by George on October 28, 2000 at 10:37:15:

today is my first time going hunting. I just got my hunting licence two days ago. and I plan to go duck hunting today with my dad.

Re: What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you?

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Posted by Bob on October 28, 2000 at 08:37:50:

In Reply to: What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you? posted by Brad on October 26, 2000 at 15:07:10:

I probably would have done the same as you. Frustrating aint it? But thats hunting!

Where are the ducks?

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Posted by Norton on October 28, 2000 at 04:03:34:

Went hunting at Tiny Marsh on opening day but saw very few ducks compared to two seasons back(didn't hunt last year at all).Can anybody tell me how's the condition there?What about Holland Marsh?Did anybody hunt there recently?

Thank you in advance!

Wish everybody have a safe and successful season!

Norton

Re: moose hunting

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Posted by moose man on October 28, 2000 at 01:15:30:

In Reply to: Re: moose hunting posted by stephen on October 27, 2000 at 11:07:48:

thanks guys. are you hunting same areas next year or are you moving? good luck

Re: moose hunting

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Posted by mike on October 28, 2000 at 00:03:28:

In Reply to: Re: moose hunting posted by stephen on October 27, 2000 at 11:07:48:

We only had calves license again it was too hot and too many leaves on the trees in our area could not seen good range until thur. had a cow and a calf around but could not get a shot .. Some day i will get a tag have never had one since the draw started maybe next year. In the last 2 years before this year seen 2 cows and 2 calves, got a calf last year..

Re: Duck Hunting

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Posted by sparky on October 27, 2000 at 22:24:11:

In Reply to: Duck Hunting posted by Cherokee on October 27, 2000 at 15:23:08:

Try some of the smaller bays around the lake. It is a rather big lake so the smaller bays may hold more food to the liking of the ducks. If your wanting to try other lakes in the area maybe try up around the Conroy Marsh or on the Little Mississippi River. I have also seen some Canadas and ducks on Paudash Lake. Best of luck !

Sparky

Duck Hunting

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Posted by Cherokee on October 27, 2000 at 15:23:08:

I've been duck hunting a couple of times so far this season. Both times - skunked. I've gone to Elephant lake and to a few smaller lakes in and around bancroft. Seen some duck out of range and reluctant to descend. Any luck anywhere else?

Re: saw a bear while deer hunting?

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Posted by sheephunter on October 27, 2000 at 15:03:05:

In Reply to: saw a bear while deer hunting? posted by Leon on October 27, 2000 at 13:48:01:

Right now, real good especially if you're up in the oak hardwood ridges. If it stays this warm, it should be good for a while yet. Shot a huge boar about a week ago.

Piscator?

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Posted by sheephunter on October 27, 2000 at 15:00:19:

In Reply to: Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by bowhnuter on October 26, 2000 at 10:13:20:

Must be the guy/girl over point zero eight with skates?

saw a bear while deer hunting?

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Posted by Leon on October 27, 2000 at 13:48:01:

What are the chances to see a bear while deer hunting?

Leon

Re: moose hunting

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Posted by Brad on October 27, 2000 at 13:24:11:

In Reply to: Re: moose hunting posted by stephen on October 27, 2000 at 11:07:48:

Seen one bull besides the one that I shot, called him to us with a bull call but had him run to us with a cow call. about 40-45 inch rack havn't measured it yet. the first bull was around 50 as well but couldn't get a shot at him.

Re: moose hunting

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Posted by Brad on October 27, 2000 at 13:22:56:

In Reply to: Re: moose hunting posted by stephen on October 27, 2000 at 11:07:48:

Seen one bull besides the one that I shot, called him to us with a bull call but had him run to us with a cow call.

Re: How to . . .

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Posted by Kevin on October 27, 2000 at 12:19:50:

In Reply to: Re: How to . . . posted by sparky on October 27, 2000 at 09:55:51:

Cut the meat off the bone, cut it into chunks,soak in salt water two days,rinse and soak in italian salad dressing for two days then fast fry(only a few minutes). You can also use shake and bake and then deep fry it for a few minutes and serve it with plum sauce.

Re: moose hunting

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Posted by stephen on October 27, 2000 at 11:07:48:

In Reply to: moose hunting posted by moose man on October 27, 2000 at 00:56:16:

We were just north of kapuskasing. First 3 days were nice and cold. Filled our cow tag on the second day. Saw 2 other bulls and a cow. once the weather warmed up, nothing else. Wish we had some bull tags.

Re: How to . . .

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Posted by sparky on October 27, 2000 at 09:55:51:

In Reply to: How to . . . posted by Tor on October 27, 2000 at 09:31:44:

Try going to http://www.duckblind.org/ Then go to the "duck blind forums" page and scrol down. There you will find the "Favorite Waterfowl Recipe's" area. Lots of good one there for you ! Best of luck !

Sparky

How to . . .

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Posted by Tor on October 27, 2000 at 09:31:44:

I was just wondering . . . what would be the best way to cook teal and mallard. The whole duck is cleaned and now I am just not sure how to cook them. Please give me some suggestions. Thanks a lot.

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by Jack on October 27, 2000 at 08:05:05:

In Reply to: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by sheephunter on October 26, 2000 at 00:00:55:

Who cares, Halloween is coming!!! Just that I will leave my decorations on til next year. Besides they will need to laugh at my two dogs will bells on! When the bell stops ringing the fun starts>

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by Only kidding.... on October 27, 2000 at 07:52:17:

In Reply to: Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 27, 2000 at 07:12:58:

Just having some fun, Mike!

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 27, 2000 at 07:12:58:

In Reply to: Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by Read between the lines on October 26, 2000 at 21:33:58:

What is a PISCATOR? I'm just a DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER!

moose hunting

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Posted by moose man on October 27, 2000 at 00:56:16:

just wanting to know how people did in this years moose hunt! where they hunted ,how many moose they seen and how many moose their party shot!

our party shot a nice big bull 54" spread, seen 6 cows but no cow tag. it was really hot, but still manage to call the big boy out. did calling work for you guys? thanks

What's the strangest thing that's happened to you while hunting?? Animal encounters, accidents, memorable hunts etc???

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Posted by M.P. on October 26, 2000 at 23:06:58:

Hey guys I'm new to the sport of hunting and would love to hear some stories about memorable hunts or animal encounters in the woods. Anything you would care to share would be of interest. I've seen this type of post on the fishing board and it resulted in some great story telling!!!

Regards, M.P. >>>----------->

Re: Nonquon

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Posted by Kern on October 26, 2000 at 22:40:29:

In Reply to: Nonquon posted by john on October 26, 2000 at 17:21:29:

there are no restrictions unless you are in the educational areas which are all marked off.

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by Read between the lines on October 26, 2000 at 21:33:58:

In Reply to: Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 08:39:02:

Must be PISCATOR????????Only guy I know who would make a stupid reply like this!!!!!!His exclamation and question mark button are always stuck!!!!!!!!!

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 26, 2000 at 21:01:23:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Grat on October 26, 2000 at 09:36:26:

Grat:

I have an 1895 in .303 that has open sights. Was the peep a retro fit or did it come as standard equipment?

I should take that gun hunting one of these years.

Rick

Nonquon

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Posted by john on October 26, 2000 at 17:21:29:

Does anyone know what hours of the day that the Nonquon is restricted to hunting?

Re: What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you?

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Posted by wicket on October 26, 2000 at 17:17:00:

In Reply to: What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you? posted by Brad on October 26, 2000 at 15:07:10:

Had a rifle!

Re: luther marsh hunting

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Posted by Mike on October 26, 2000 at 16:21:56:

In Reply to: luther marsh hunting posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 22:12:21:

I hear the duck hunting can be really good in late fall.For more info get in touch with the people at Wilson's in downtown Toronto. They have brochures. I lost mine, so I don't have enough info. Good Luck!

I'd like to head up there this fall too.

What do you do when theres 9 deer in front of you?

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Posted by Brad on October 26, 2000 at 15:07:10:

i've been out 2 nights in a row the first night I seen a doe, alone. The second night two groups of deer converged in front of me. A group of 5 does on the left of my stand and agroup of 3 does and a nice 8 pointer! here's the delema, I had scent out and was doing some calls most of the after noon. when the deer grouped up about a 150 yrds directly infront of me I didn't know what to do. I tried doing 2 small grunts when the buck was inbetween a rock pile and me He just looked in my direction for a minute and continued following and yelling at the does as it looked like they were teasing him by yelling at him, then they just started feeding a ways up from me. I waited till abot 40 minutes after dark and made my way out of my stand and out. What could i have done better? Brad

Re: Licensing

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Posted by HARVIE on October 26, 2000 at 14:21:45:

In Reply to: Licensing posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:18:21:

Go ahead and hunt, this is the last year you can without the POL or PAL. This is from a very good source.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Chuck on October 26, 2000 at 14:20:14:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Dave on October 26, 2000 at 12:17:15:

The deer population is pretty good where we are we always manage to get some deer. We hunt out of treestands exclusively on our own private land. Don't know what it would be like hunting crown land.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 12:29:29:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 12:27:45:

Further more, my 870 pump gun's slug barrel is a rifled slug barrel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 12:27:45:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Alain on October 26, 2000 at 11:20:56:

Hey whatever your name is, not everyone uses a rifle!!!!!!! Also, fyi, it's not just a rifle season, it's a gun season!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Remington/Browning

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 12:25:51:

In Reply to: Re: Remington/Browning posted by Alain on October 26, 2000 at 11:12:14:

No,he drives a GMC Safari van!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Dave on October 26, 2000 at 12:17:15:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 26, 2000 at 11:20:34:

How is the deer population around there? What hunting methods do you and your party use?

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Alain on October 26, 2000 at 11:20:56:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 25, 2000 at 10:48:47:

Don't you know the difference between a rifle and a Shot Gun!! Your Remington 870 Pump is a s-h-o-t-g-u-n question reflected with R-i-f-l-e-

Are hunting in a Shotgun Only WMU ??

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Chuck on October 26, 2000 at 11:20:34:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Dave on October 25, 2000 at 10:48:33:

I hunt in WMU 58 off of Hwy 41 between Eganville and Dacre.

Re: Remington/Browning

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Posted by Alain on October 26, 2000 at 11:12:14:

In Reply to: Re: Remington/Browning posted by blackwolf on October 25, 2000 at 21:10:35:

I wonder if DUMB ASH......... drives a Dodge P/U

Re: Licensing

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Posted by Alain on October 26, 2000 at 10:49:37:

In Reply to: Re: Licensing posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 25, 2000 at 08:22:17:

I think you should go check!! Check into a clinic that is!!! ( just kidding)

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Alain on October 26, 2000 at 10:47:17:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

Remingtom model 3600 30,06 with new scope Bushnell 1.75x5 Can't wait!!!!!!! Good question getting a lot of hunters to reply.

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by bowhnuter on October 26, 2000 at 10:13:20:

In Reply to: Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by Fischer on October 26, 2000 at 08:45:08:

I stop at Tim Hortons in full camo every morning I go bow hunting. I get a few funny looks especially from those with tatoos and lots of body piercing. If they think I'm wierd they should look in a mirror.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Grat on October 26, 2000 at 09:36:28:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

Will take "old betsy" again,(Model 95-Win. in trusty 303 British---still 5 shells left from a box from K-MART at $3.98) Only drawback--every hunter I meet out there wants to handle it--they all like the peep sight and the beautiful wood on it.Usual query--is it for sale?? Has filled my tag every year when not using the Mossberg 500. Cheers!Have a good & safe hunt everybody.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Grat on October 26, 2000 at 09:36:26:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

Will take "old betsy" again,(Model 95-Win. in trusty 303 British---still 5 shells left from a box from K-MART at $3.98) Only drawback--every hunter I meet out there wants to handle it--they all like the peep sight and the beautiful wood on it.Usual query--is it for sale?? Has filled my tag every year when not using the Mossberg 500. Cheers!Have a good & safe hunt everybody.

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by Fischer on October 26, 2000 at 08:45:08:

In Reply to: Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 08:39:02:

I think he's suggesting that when you're up north deer or moose hunting, that you continue to wear your hunter orange when you go to town, so that people can see that it's hunters who are helping to drive their economy.

This past weekend, my buddies joked that we looked like a bunch of rednecks when we went into Tim Hortons with our upland jackets and pants on. I figured, who cares? It's not our "dirty little secret". As hunters, we need to be proud of who we are and what we do!

Re: song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 26, 2000 at 08:39:02:

In Reply to: song says... don't bring your guns to town posted by sheephunter on October 26, 2000 at 00:00:55:

What the hell are you talking about????? You on drugs or something????????

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Screemin Reel on October 26, 2000 at 00:13:22:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Braden on October 25, 2000 at 19:34:46:

I,ll be using a 6.5 55 Swede.Its a joy to shoot.

song says... don't bring your guns to town

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Posted by sheephunter on October 26, 2000 at 00:00:55:

But... make sure to wear your orange. To many in business are keen to have the fall cash injection. Problem is they don't know that it's hunters who are up here spending money. They obviously didn't notice all the camo walking around in the spring, so this fall keep your hunter orange on and be proud.

Re: Exposing The Enemy

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Posted by sheephunter on October 25, 2000 at 23:55:22:

In Reply to: Re: Exposing The Enemy posted by Nimrod on October 24, 2000 at 15:43:27:

His name is Mike MacIntosh. He is in sales at Ward Edmonds Chev in HUntsville. My opinion is he's in Shads pocket. He is a self pro-claimed "bear expert" and has been mentioned, quoted or interviewed in this regions newspapers especially in the spring prior to the hunt when the antis were trying to get (sorry... got) the ball rolling. Edmonds took some heat and now MacIntosh's name doesn't show up but it's always the same rhetoric.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 25, 2000 at 22:40:58:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

I'll be carrying my BLR in .358 Winchester loaded with 198 grain experimental bullets at about 2500 fps. This gun is topped with a zero magnification red dopt sight because I can't quite make out those open sights anymore.

Re: Remington/Browning

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Posted by blackwolf on October 25, 2000 at 21:10:35:

In Reply to: Remington/Browning posted by Matt Ende on October 23, 2000 at 10:28:57:

Geese guys get over it! I personally agree with Matt, diffrent folks need diffrent shooters and each aplication is different and the purpose for the firearm.I don't beleive that there is an all round gun but some come close. I use both the 870 and an A-5, depending what I want to shoot,etc.My son likes his Mossberg, I don't hold that against him, its more important to share the time with him rather than argue about what gun he likes to shoot. Mind you if he went out and bought somthing really dumb like a..a...a Dodge pick-up, well thats a different story. See my point?

Re: Geese . . . Where are they????

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Posted by blackwolf on October 25, 2000 at 20:51:22:

In Reply to: Geese . . . Where are they???? posted by Kyle on October 25, 2000 at 09:42:05:

lots in # 85, e-mail me, planning hunt for sat

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Decoy Borrower on October 25, 2000 at 19:50:48:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Braden on October 25, 2000 at 19:34:46:

Hey Braden;

Let me know what you got planned for this weekend. Me and Aaron are going scouting down here for geese Fri night and Sat morning, maybe hunting Sat morning. I will be hunting Mon and Tue.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Braden on October 25, 2000 at 19:34:46:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Matt on October 25, 2000 at 11:25:41:

Ruger .243 win 100gr nosler part @2950fps

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by ross holland on October 25, 2000 at 16:18:56:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

bromning BLR in 284win with 1.75x5 bushnell trophy scope.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Jack on October 25, 2000 at 12:48:31:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Fischer on October 25, 2000 at 10:35:29:

Remington Carbide 30:06. I have had it for twenty years and not that I love it , it loves me.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by mike on October 25, 2000 at 12:00:46:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

I use a savage 110 bolt action 30/06,..

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Matt on October 25, 2000 at 11:25:41:

In Reply to: Re: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Fischer on October 25, 2000 at 10:35:29:

I will be using the 6mm Rem, 100g partition @ 3200 fps.

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 25, 2000 at 10:48:47:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

I use a Remington 870 pump with slugs & Tru-Glow sights!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only way to travel...............look out Bambi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Dave on October 25, 2000 at 10:48:33:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

I'll be taking out my 30/06 trying to get my first deer. Where in the valley do you hunt? I'm near Pembroke and Petawawa. How is the population looking this year?

Re: November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Fischer on October 25, 2000 at 10:35:29:

In Reply to: November Rifle Season For Deer posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

.280 Remington. Gotta love that 7mm bullet!

Hunting on Manitoulin. Most of the tree stands where I hunt are in pretty tight bush, but there are a couple of fields that offer shots up to 250 yds.

November Rifle Season For Deer

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Posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:43:37:

With the November rifle season not to far away what are you all going to be using as your deer rifle. I will be using my .300WIN mag.Even in the Ottawa Valley there are some long shots in the beaver swamps.

Geese . . . Where are they????

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Posted by Kyle on October 25, 2000 at 09:42:05:

Anybody have any luck this year for goose or mallards in or arounf the WMU 77??? Help, I'm going hungry!!!!!!!

Re: Licensing

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Posted by Chuck on October 25, 2000 at 09:30:57:

In Reply to: Re: Licensing posted by Tackleberry on October 24, 2000 at 21:46:08:

I believe right now you still require at least an FAC to borrow a gun.

Re: gps

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 25, 2000 at 08:23:23:

In Reply to: gps posted by darcy on October 24, 2000 at 18:31:38:

Garmin 12XL.........the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Licensing

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 25, 2000 at 08:22:17:

In Reply to: Licensing posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:10:43:

NO NO NO YOU CANNOT BORROW A GUN WITHOUT A VALID FAC, POL, PAL OR WHATEVER THE HELL THE GOVRNMENT IS CALLING THEM NOW!!!!!!!!!!! CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL FIREARMS OFFICER & HE'LL CONFIRM WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tiny Marsh

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Posted by Richard on October 25, 2000 at 06:02:26:

In Reply to: Goose Report /Question posted by John on October 22, 2000 at 19:49:32:

Try this: http://www.csolve.net/~mtm/tinymarsh.htm It provides a small map.

Re: Licensing

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Posted by Wes on October 25, 2000 at 06:00:21:

In Reply to: Licensing posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:18:21:

Before you can borrow a firearm, you must have a licence to possess that class of firearm. If you do not have an FAC or a POL or PAL, you are not allowed to borrow a firearm.

Re: Licensing

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 24, 2000 at 21:46:08:

In Reply to: Licensing posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:18:21:

Ya not a problem, "until Jan. 1st of next year" (this New Years) that is when the Possession Licencing comes into force.

Go and have a great fall hunt, but besure to get you stuff taken care of before the end of the year.

Tack

Re: First pheasant hunt

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Posted by Pierre on October 24, 2000 at 20:55:46:

In Reply to: Re: First pheasant hunt posted by Matt on October 24, 2000 at 14:23:17:

I've been hunting wild ringnecks in the north Dakota/Montana area for a few years and I'd recommend it to anybody. There is a lot of public hunting out West (Our Americans neighbours promote hunting, making it quite easy to get info). We also run into Hungarian Partridge and various Grouse species. The one thing we don't see is other hunters...I'd recommend you avoid opening week, bring a retriever or pointer, sunscreen, and plenty of steel and lead shells (you'll need steel for upland hunting in the Federal reserves). Oh yeah, and be ready for a lot of walking, the prairies go on for a bit!

Re: gps

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Posted by Kevin on October 24, 2000 at 20:50:40:

In Reply to: gps posted by darcy on October 24, 2000 at 18:31:38:

This is my choice, Garmin etrex summit.

Licensing

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Posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:18:21:

Can I go hunting by myself and borrow my buddies gun if I do not have a PAL or POL but I do have all necessary licenses? (waterfowl on Rice Lake)

Re: Licensing

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Posted by Mattie on October 24, 2000 at 19:15:59:

In Reply to: Licensing posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:10:43:

Where there is a

Licensing

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Posted by Hobbes on October 24, 2000 at 19:10:43:

I was wondering . . . can I go hunting ny myself for waterfowl if I do not have a POL/PAL but I have all licensing??? I want to borrow my buddies gun and hunt at Rice Lake??? I'd appreciate your answer, as I can't find any regulations on the MNR website.

gps

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Posted by darcy on October 24, 2000 at 18:31:38:

just wanted some suggestions on a good model of gps, do they all work well under dense cover. using it mostly for hunting thanks

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by swamp dog on October 24, 2000 at 17:49:50:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

check out www.farmerssupply.com A canadian company based in manitoba, a buddy of mine ordered an 870 express less than a month before duck season last year and recieved it within 3 days. He resides in Mississauga.

Re: Exposing The Enemy

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Posted by Nimrod on October 24, 2000 at 15:43:27:

In Reply to: Re: Exposing The Enemy posted by sheephunter on October 20, 2000 at 00:08:10:

Can someone elaborate on the part about the guy at the Chevy dealership and the spring bear hunt. His name isn't Schad, is it? Please explain.

Re: First pheasant hunt

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Posted by Matt on October 24, 2000 at 14:23:17:

In Reply to: Re: First pheasant hunt posted by Fischer on October 24, 2000 at 08:12:45:

Vandermeer's is a great place. Does anybody in here hunt wild ringnecks?

Rangefinder for sale

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Posted by Nimrod on October 24, 2000 at 14:21:46:

500 yard Ranging rangefinder. Dial up style using converging images. $30 o.b.o.

Re: Remington/Browning

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Posted by Matt on October 24, 2000 at 14:20:53:

In Reply to: Re: Remington/Browning posted by Rob S on October 23, 2000 at 22:58:50:

I have noticed many, many, BPS and Gold Shotguns on the used racks that have bluing damage. Ask any gunsmith - Browning's bluing looks nice and deep, but is come off easy. The bluing on a Wingmaster is superior. And, the 'SP' finish on some Remington shotguns is known to be the most durable available. In fact, Beretta/Benelli is now copying it on their AL391 and SBE.

Re: buck comes at me

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Posted by bowhunter on October 24, 2000 at 09:59:55:

In Reply to: buck comes at me posted by rick on October 23, 2000 at 21:57:22:

What about drawing a little sooner, when he's a little further out and waiting on him. I know this can get difficult, but my experience is the closer they are the more likely they are to see your movement. At 15 yards, most times they are going to spot any movements you make.

Re: buck comes at me

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Posted by Steve on October 24, 2000 at 08:42:08:

In Reply to: buck comes at me posted by rick on October 23, 2000 at 21:57:22:

Rick, in my experience, stands on field edges are not the best. Sure, you can see more but deer can see you as well from a long ways off. Even if you go back into the bush as little as 10 yards, I've found it's way better. Usually, you'll find trails paralleling the edge back a bit and the deer use these frequently. If you find where two or three of these trails come together, set up downwind of them - it's usually a better spot.

I dont' like putting scent out as I prefer to stay as "invisible" as possible. Why advertise your prescence?

Re: Wounded Deer

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Posted by Steve on October 24, 2000 at 08:37:10:

In Reply to: Wounded Deer posted by Dave on October 23, 2000 at 12:02:42:

In my experience, the amount of time to wait before setting off depends on where the shot hit. If, as you said, it was low, 10 or 15 minutes is WAY too short a time. A lot depends on the time of day you made the shot, weather conditions etc. If it's in the morning and the shot is low or too far back, wait two or three hours minimum. Watch the deer until it's out of sight and take a mental picture of the exact spot where you last saw it - this is important as things change when you're on the ground.

Get out of your stand quietly, look at where the deer was standing and mark the spot. If the arrow is there, look at it for evidence on the arrow. Go back to your truck, have a coffee and call a buddy to help you. When you start looking for the deer, mark every drop of blood with tissue to get a direction of travel.

My first deer with a bow was 15 years ago, it was the last day of the season and it was right at dusk. The shot was low and too far back as the deer jumped the string. We waited an hour and set off with flashlights there was a good blodd trail and we found a bed within 50 yards of my stand. Of course the deer pushed off and we lost the track when the blood trail petered out. There was snow on the ground with no new snow forecast so after about 4 hours, we went home. We were back at first light and found the deer not 100 yards from where we gave up the night before. I didn't sleep much that night!

Had I known what I knew now, I would have left the deer and just come back in the morning. It would never have left the first bed. The one I got last year didn't go more than 30 yards and I watched it drop from my stand. I like shots like that!

Good luck

Re: First pheasant hunt

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Posted by Fischer on October 24, 2000 at 08:12:45:

In Reply to: Re: First pheasant hunt posted by sparky on October 23, 2000 at 22:18:18:

Vandermeer???'s, down in Cayuga.

He advertises in OOD.

Re: Great toy for the kids!!!

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 24, 2000 at 06:16:19:

In Reply to: Great toy for the kids!!! posted by Fischer on October 23, 2000 at 10:44:35:

Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now thats what we need, Hunter Dan & Hunter Danielle do deer together!!!!!!!! Golly darn, i'm gonna git me one too!!!!!!!!!!!

moose hunting

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Posted by darcy on October 23, 2000 at 23:42:16:

just got back from the anual moose hunt in the thunder bay area, was a great year even though the black flies were out almost every day. after calling and working with a bull for about 30 minutes he finally came out and gave me a chance for a shot which i took and dropped a 54" wide bull moose my biggest ever. anyone know where i could get him scored i am from the barrie area

Re: Remington/Browning

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Posted by Rob S on October 23, 2000 at 22:58:50:

In Reply to: Re: Remington/Browning posted by KC on October 23, 2000 at 14:51:39:

take a browning (NOT CHINESE) and a remingjam and add a damp day rain and sleet... and by the time you get back to camp check out the rust on your remingjam compared to the browning! NO comparison browing BAR made in porg. the best rifle Ive ever owned!

Wounded deer (been there done that)

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Posted by Rob S on October 23, 2000 at 22:52:12:

I know the feeling it's terrible but if you tried everything you could to get the deer that's all you can do .It's a hard lesson but it does make you a better bow hunter in the long run. patience and less buck fever will let you make a shot if there really is a chance for one.Ive passed up lots of shots where I probably could of but I remember the 4 or so hours in the fog and rain looking and all I got for it was hair & blood and a very bad feeling in my gut.you will get another chance good luck!

Re: First pheasant hunt

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Posted by sparky on October 23, 2000 at 22:18:18:

In Reply to: First pheasant hunt posted by Fischer on October 23, 2000 at 12:01:32:

Well .... sounds like you had a great time ! Where did you go ??

buck comes at me

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Posted by rick on October 23, 2000 at 21:57:22:

i need advice! i have my tree stand on the edge of a veeeery large field.twice in two seperate locations a buck walked my trail and came directly at me.both times he came within 15 yards of me.he looks directly at me when i try to draw my bow he takes off.i thought of trying a scent away from my location maybe 20 yards upwind . any suggestions

moose hunting videos

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Posted by Randy on October 23, 2000 at 21:26:13:

Where can someone get moose hunting videos in canadian dollars?A possible web page!

browning guns

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Posted by mike on October 23, 2000 at 20:31:45:

Im looking for a browning BLR in 308 or 30-06 for the hunting season in 2001..... used preferably ....

Re: Wounded Deer

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Posted by roho on October 23, 2000 at 19:44:11:

In Reply to: Wounded Deer posted by Dave on October 23, 2000 at 12:02:42:

fischer,s advice is the best you can do under the circumstances.If you hit it forward and low chances are you grazed its rib cage ,if you didn,t puncture diapram or gut its will probably make it.Its a tough lesson to learn but EVERY hunter learns it sooner or later .GOOD LUCK

Re: Remington/Browning

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Posted by KC on October 23, 2000 at 14:51:39:

In Reply to: Remington/Browning posted by Matt Ende on October 23, 2000 at 10:28:57:

Why not a half decent used 1987, or a model 12. Better, cheaper, and it's a take down.

Re: Wounded Deer

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Posted by Fischer on October 23, 2000 at 13:06:15:

In Reply to: Wounded Deer posted by Dave on October 23, 2000 at 12:02:42:

After the shot, did you sit down and give the deer time to drop?

You should wait at least 15 min. to 1/2 hour after your shot before you move from your spot and start tracking. If you move too soon, even a mortally wounded deer could get up and start moving again. They're running on pure adrenaline and can go a long way.

When you were tracking, and started losing the blood trail, did you see clear serum? If so, it's possible you just cut through skin and the clear serum can be an indication of the wound starting to seal up.

A few years ago, while hunting with a friend, he shot a big buck with his muzzle-loader. It was a good shot, but the buck stood on the spot, bawling, long enough for my buddy to reload and take another shot. When he shot it again, it startled it enough that it started moving. Unfortunately, it also started snowing - hard! We tracked the deer through a harvested corn field and saw the blood spurts two rows over. We lost it after tracking it almost 200 yards, because the snow (and darkness) obliterated the trail. He found the buck 2 weeks later, over 500 yards away. Had he not fired that second shot, that buck would have likely laid right down and died.

Wounded Deer

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Posted by Dave on October 23, 2000 at 12:02:42:

This probably isn't something people like to hear about, but I want to get everyone's opinion on what the best thing to do is. I got my first shot at a deer with a bow yesterday, stalking through the bush. Unfortunately, with nerves being rattled being that close, I shot low and did not get a very good hit. The arrow went clean through and was covered in fat and hair, but no good blood. There was a blood trail to follow, but it wasn't very big and wasn't blood from the lungs or heart. I tracked it for a few hundred yards where the trail ended, and continued to search for a couple hours in hopes of recovering it, but it was no where to be found. I feel horrible about the whole thing, and I'm curious what the best thing to is when you know the shot wasn't very good, but was a definite hit. Thanks.

First pheasant hunt

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Posted by Fischer on October 23, 2000 at 12:01:32:

Went pheasant hunting yesterday for the first time and had a hoot!

My buddy arranged with a friend of his and his brother to bring their Springers. There were 6 of us, and we managed to get 11 of the 18 birds that were put out. Also got shooting at a few others. (Damn, they can get up and go!). I downed 3, myself, mainly by being lucky enough to be on the side the dog flushed them out on.

We'll definitely go again. At $60 a head (3 birds each) it was about the same as a round of golf, lasted a lot longer and was one heckuva lot more fun! Plus, you go home sober, and with dinner!

By the end of the day, one dog was totally bagged, while the other was tired but still raring to go. I can't wait till my Brittany grows up!

Great toy for the kids!!!

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Posted by Fischer on October 23, 2000 at 10:44:35:

I'm going to pick a couple of these up for Christmas!!

Let's protect our heritage!

http://www.foxnews.com/etcetera/101800/hunterdan.sml

Remington/Browning

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 23, 2000 at 10:28:57:

I would like to make a few valid points without flaming/irritating anybody out here. First off, Browning guns aren't more expensive than Remington guns. The model 700 Rifle, and the Ruger77MkII, both acclaimed to be the best rifle action designs of the 20th century, are both more expensive than Browning's clunky old 'A-bolt' rifle of comparable style and configuration. While the A-bolt is a reputable hunting rifle, it doesn't even come close to the m700, in terms of strength of locking mechanism, inherrent accuracy potential, fit and style of stock, scope mounting system, ease of bolt operation, quality of barrel and action steel, quality of bluing, dissasembly ease, etc. and the list goes on and on. And, I believe the A-bolts are made in China nowadays, as opposed to USA for Rem and Ruger. As far as shotguns go, the 870 is the best pump-gun in the field, period. The BPS, although a very nice gun, is nowhere near the quality of a Wingmaster or SP (and much cheaper too) - No plastic parts in the Wingmaster's receiver or trigger group, all high-grade stainless steel. Mind you, the Express is a different story - you get what you pay for. I would encourage anyone looking at picking up a new gun, to go to a shop and try out all the different makes and models. Don't listen to the what BRAND your buddies like, just see what fits well (most important), and compare the features to see what you like. For those that hold John Browning's name in high esteem, just remember that Browning doesn't make very many guns these days. Since USRAC, a European conglomerate, aqcuired the Winchester and Browning names, most of the manufacturing has been sent over to Japan, where it is illegal for anyone to even own a firearm. Remington still builds their guns in upstate New York (Illion), and also has a factory in the Carolinas. I may seem like I am a Browning Hater, or I am just jealous, but to be honest, I am actually thinking about picking up a BPS to try out for ducks next year. I like the fact that the BPS is a little cheaper than the 870 SPS, and I like how it fits me. I may be a little embarassed to use the thing up in 'Remington Country' where I do most of my hunting, but I am more concerned about shooting limits of birds than impressing anybody. If for some reason I ever feel inferior and need to impress somebody, I just pull out my 40X rifle.

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 23, 2000 at 08:50:08:

In Reply to: Re: Remington 870 Express posted by Alain on October 23, 2000 at 06:26:24:

Ya your right...it's not a Browning........it's a man's gun........a Remington 870 pump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Chuck on October 23, 2000 at 08:07:59:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

While I agree that the Remington is a good shotgun I would go for the Browning. If you amortize the cost of the Browning over your lifetime the extra expense is really not that big a deal.

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Alain on October 23, 2000 at 06:26:24:

In Reply to: Re: Remington 870 Express posted by Alain on October 22, 2000 at 18:44:59:

Ya but it's not a BROWNING,

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 23, 2000 at 05:37:46:

In Reply to: Re: Remington 870 Express posted by Alain on October 22, 2000 at 18:44:59:

My Remington will do as good as or better than any Browning!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Just because you paid way too much for a Browning, that don't make it better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: wmu88 deer

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Posted by Kern on October 22, 2000 at 22:00:52:

In Reply to: wmu88 deer posted by ross holland on October 21, 2000 at 16:17:30:

Someone I know found a stand set up next to his on private property.....told the land owner who just went in the bush with the chain saw and cut the tree down stand and all.

Re: Pre-rut sign?

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Posted by sheephunter on October 22, 2000 at 21:36:55:

In Reply to: Re: Pre-rut sign? posted by c.f.g. on October 20, 2000 at 13:04:18:

Your absolutley, 100% correct. But though I didn't have the date right I can guarantee that I haven't missed being in the bush for the 1st Monday in November for a lot of years. Thanks

Goose Report /Question

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Posted by John on October 22, 2000 at 19:49:32:

Hunted Wainfleet wetlands (near port colbourne) on saturday. Saw a cople flocks of Canada's but they were way out of range (last hour of daylight). Two flew in at about 30 yards or so, took a couple of shots and missed. I think that they were even closer to the guys on the other side of the pond, but they missed as well. Now I don't feel so bad. Not a great day...

Does anyone know directions to Tiny Marsh? How has the hunting been lately? I heard it was ok so I'm thinking of going friday.

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Alain on October 22, 2000 at 18:45:22:

In Reply to: Re: Remington 870 Express posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 22, 2000 at 06:16:21:

Don't get me going!!

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Alain on October 22, 2000 at 18:44:59:

In Reply to: Re: Remington 870 Express posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 22, 2000 at 06:16:21:

Don't get me going!!

Re: manitoulin deer

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Posted by carl on October 22, 2000 at 18:12:35:

In Reply to: manitoulin deer posted by carl on October 22, 2000 at 17:56:34:

Anyone know of any news on manitoulin?

manitoulin deer

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Posted by carl on October 22, 2000 at 17:56:34:

Does any one know how the deer season is shaping up on Manitoulin Island? Im getting ready for a bowhunting trip there for next week.

Re: wmu88 deer

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Posted by wicket on October 22, 2000 at 16:58:51:

In Reply to: wmu88 deer posted by ross holland on October 21, 2000 at 16:17:30:

Way to go, glad to hear of your success!

Re: congrats Ross

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Posted by wicket on October 22, 2000 at 16:57:30:

In Reply to: congrats Ross posted by Rob S on October 22, 2000 at 15:37:29:

take their stands down and give them to the landowner. If they wanted to tresspass so badly they should want their stands back, and they will have to confront the landowner to do it.

congrats Ross

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Posted by Rob S on October 22, 2000 at 15:37:29:

have seen 9 deer since fri only one I could of shot was making a scrape so I dts ( declined to shoot) found two\other mother %&$#^%# ''s stands within 75 yards of mine over looking the same field so fun and games are ahead !on private property I will not call them hunters!

Re: Pre-rut sign?

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Posted by Matt on October 22, 2000 at 12:58:35:

In Reply to: Pre-rut sign? posted by glenn on October 19, 2000 at 21:39:42:

Went scouting this weekend in WMU 83A. It has recently been very warm up there, and there is little in the way of rutting sign. I did find one scrape on a main trail, but no rubbing. Things are still slow right now. Soon, very soon though.

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 22, 2000 at 06:16:21:

In Reply to: Re: Remington 870 Express posted by Alain on October 21, 2000 at 20:01:52:

Browning?????????? We're not all made of money!!!!!!!!!! Remington gets the job done for half the price!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've used the same 870 slug gun for 2o years for deer & it still works just as good as the day it come out of the box..........just put a new set of Tru-Glow sights on it & WOW, look out deer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: sturgeon ducks

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Posted by mike on October 22, 2000 at 00:21:19:

In Reply to: sturgeon ducks posted by Brad on October 17, 2000 at 15:16:49:

Wait till the Northerns come down, There is more Geese then there is Ducks around but you have to hunt the fields for them the nmost ducks or sitting in my hometown of Bobcaygeon..

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Alain on October 21, 2000 at 20:01:52:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

You should look at Browning instead. "THE BEST There IS" Take a look at Stittsville Shooting Range.TeL # 836-3871 ask for Mark (Owner) I am pretty sure he can help you.

wmu88 deer

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Posted by ross holland on October 21, 2000 at 16:17:30:

Its been slow in my stands so far with all the warm weather last sunday had a fork horn in range, took his picture and let him pass.Today i was in the woods before dawn ,nothing doing till 10am ,then an 8 pointer followed a scent line in to my stand ,spent 5 minutes sniffing every thing in sight but could not get a shot.finally moved in behind mock scrape ,not one of my shooting lanes,but at 25 yds he gave me a shot ,took him a little farther back than i like ,but he only went 75 yds and dropped ,now its time for a cool brew ,and a toast to the deer. LIFE IS GOOD

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Kern on October 21, 2000 at 13:55:29:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

As long as your willing to drive that far you may as well look at everything in between. Steve Redgwell's 303british page...www.303british.com ....has a link at the bottom for Ontario gun shops c/w phone numbers. It would make for a good start. I know alot of shops carry the remington 870 super mag in wood and synthetic, but I havent seen the camo version on the shelf...could be the price!! I looked at one last year for my dad and it was over $600.00

Good luck

Kern

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by Eric on October 20, 2000 at 22:05:14:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

Try Trombly's Tackle Box in Orillia, (705)327-3474. Knowledgable staff & good service/support ...I'll go just about anywhere to keep my coin away from LeBaron's !

Re: Remington 870 Express

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Posted by blackwolf on October 20, 2000 at 20:15:14:

In Reply to: Remington 870 Express posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

saw a couple in shooters choice, waterloo ont. Nice shotguns. My first shotgun was an 870,loved that gun.But... I needed a semi to delete those shots missed due to pumping, or was it just because I was a rotten shot, maybe the ducks really were laughing at me. Blackwolf

First time in 25 years!

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Posted by Rob S on October 20, 2000 at 17:24:21:

was in my stand this morning and something happened in front of me that I never experienced first hand. a spike buck came within 30 yards of me today and proceeded to make a SCRAPE, he then circled me for about 20 mins and then caught wind of something and wandered off. It never ceases to amaze me how much more you see and learn when you are bow hunting. I hunted with hounds for 20 years and outside of camp life bing, bang boom it's all over.

Remington 870 Express

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Posted by bowhunter on October 20, 2000 at 15:35:41:

I am interested in purchasing a Remington 870 Express Super Magnum Turkey Camo. I phoned Qunite in Beleville and Gagnon in Oshawa. One said 2 months to 1 year for delivery and one said they had them on order but don't expect shipment until Febuary (not guaranteed). I am in Kingston, but will travel Toronto or Ottawa. Any suggestions ?

Re: Pre-rut sign?

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Posted by c.f.g. on October 20, 2000 at 13:04:18:

In Reply to: Re: Pre-rut sign? posted by sheephunter on October 20, 2000 at 00:00:25:

you are going to miss opener---IT starts @ 6:45am on Nov. 6th.

Re: What am I forgetting

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Posted by Big Bird on October 20, 2000 at 13:03:49:

In Reply to: What am I forgetting posted by Hutchman on October 19, 2000 at 22:03:03:

An excuse to give your significant other on why she will require a Penicillin shot!!

Re: What am I forgetting

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Posted by Chuck on October 20, 2000 at 08:16:09:

In Reply to: What am I forgetting posted by Hutchman on October 19, 2000 at 22:03:03:

Without knowing what is on your list and whether you are camping or going to a hunt camp it's a little hard to tell you what you are missing.

Re: What am I forgetting

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 20, 2000 at 05:38:31:

In Reply to: What am I forgetting posted by Hutchman on October 19, 2000 at 22:03:03:

Your gun, ammo, license.............what the heck more do you need????????????

Re: Exposing The Enemy

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Posted by sheephunter on October 20, 2000 at 00:08:10:

In Reply to: Exposing The Enemy posted by Kevin on October 19, 2000 at 19:38:54:

Heading to the medicine cabinet. I just hope there is none of their stuff in there. Also headed through Ward Edmonds Chev dealership in Huntsville today just to remind them that as long as they have that anti bear hunting guy that caused about 1/2 the problems here in Ontario working there, that they won't be selling me anything. Been too mad to even go into his yard for two years, but in that time have bought two Ford 3/4 ton crew cabs and one of those new 2000 Nissan Frontier crew cabs. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Pre-rut sign?

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Posted by sheephunter on October 20, 2000 at 00:00:25:

In Reply to: Pre-rut sign? posted by glenn on October 19, 2000 at 21:39:42:

Took a walk Monday and Tuesday looking for some moose meat. Leaves are still thick especially on the underbrush. Saw a couple of doe with this years fawns. Looked real healthy. Lots of bear sign. Good acorn crop. Very little sign of scraps and rubs but I did see 3 different ones. This is in WMU 50 east of Huntsville. Only real old moose sign. Have fun, can't wait for the 7th.

What am I forgetting

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Posted by Hutchman on October 19, 2000 at 22:03:03:

I'm sure that everyone has forgotten something when packing for their deer/moose hunt. This is my first year deer hunting and I'm preparing a list of stuff to take to the camp. I think that I've packed or listed all the necessities but I'm sure that there's things that I haven't even considered. Anybody care to suggest items that I may have overlooked?

Thanks

Pre-rut sign?

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Posted by glenn on October 19, 2000 at 21:39:42:

I was setting up my stands and conducting pre-season scouting in WMU 59 and WMU 63 last weekend and saw very little rutting sign. No scrapes were evident and very few rubs were found. Anyone else finding little pre-rut activity?

Exposing The Enemy

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Posted by Kevin on October 19, 2000 at 19:38:54:

Jamieson... proudly against hunting, fishing, trapping

Recently it was discovered that vitamins, minerals, nutritional food supplements and herbal remedies made by Jamieson Laboratories, 12 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, Ontario, may be more than they appear to be on the surface.

On the back of one of their brochures it reads: "Jamieson is a proud member and sponsor of the National Anti Vivisection (anti-animal testing) Society, the Toronto Humane Society, Animal Alliance of Canada, the World Wildlife Fund, the World Society for the Protection of Animals and the Canadian and American Health Food Associations."

Every dollar spent with this company results in funding of activities specifically designed to eliminate all hunting, angling and trapping.

My Mossberg did it!

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Posted by Frank on October 19, 2000 at 16:38:17:

In Reply to: Waterfowl, Moose Hunt and Mossberg Recall posted by Bass Haven on October 19, 2000 at 13:59:46:

I happen to have had this exact same problem with a Mossberg 385K, the 20ga version of the bolt design on which I believe these newer slug guns are modelled. I played with the bolt a bit when a shell wasn't feeding well and pop it went! The shot was ejected out of the muzzle but the shell was blown out at the sides. Though some people can quickly operate its bolt, the gun essentially became a single shot for me since that incident.

I thought that this would be of some interest!

Frank

Waterfowl, Moose Hunt and Mossberg Recall

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Posted by Bass Haven on October 19, 2000 at 13:59:46:

In Reply to: St Clair 'fowl posted by Shooter on October 19, 2000 at 00:27:49:

Hey Shooter!!...Good report!....How was the Moose hunt? Here's a Mossberg recall some hunters may be interested in......

Date: Fri. October 13, 2000 2:00 pm ET

From O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. has announced that it is voluntarily recalling a limited number of its Model 695 bolt action shotguns. The recall is being initiated because company officials recently discovered that a limited number of the shotguns might discharge when the bolt is closed during the loading of a live shell into the chamber.

Mossberg officials said that only certain Model 696 shotguns had the potential to discharge when the user closed the bolt, and emphasized that they were not aware of any personal injuries caused by such an accidental firing of the shotgun. The shotguns under recall were produced in 1995 and 1996, within serial numbers ranging from M1000101 to M015304, inclusive.

Mossberg is cautioning consumers who purchased one of the shotguns that fall within this range not to load or use the shotgun until it has been inspected and/or repaired at the factory, as an accidental firing may cause injury or death to user or bystander.

Persons affected by the above recall are asked to contact the company to make arrangements to ship their guns to Mossberg. Company officials urge anyone who currently owns one of the shotguns or who purchased one and gave it or sold it to another party to contact them immediately by calling a toll-free number between 9 a.m. and 8 p.m. Call 1-888-920-0486.

Re: POL for $10 - $350 million what an OUTRAGE!!!!

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Posted by West on October 19, 2000 at 08:42:43:

In Reply to: Re: POL for $10 - Ha! Just as I predicted!! I guarantee Jan01 extension as well!!!! posted by Steve on October 19, 2000 at 08:07:14:

Hey Steve,

I knew my figure was old but 350 million to date is an outrage. This program is an attempt to appease those in the population that do not understand firearms and want some sort of control on our firearms. If I am considered a criminal on Jan 01 so be it!! I've got a feeling there will be quite a few Canadians in the same boat. I want a police agency or officer to decribe how they intend to search the homes of the million people who will probably be considered criminals come Jan01/2000. Imagine how police enforcement and the fight against the black market would have benefitted from 350 million dollars!!! As I said before REMEMBER BILL C68 WHEN YOU VOTE!!!

Regards, West

Re: POL for $10 - Ha! Just as I predicted!! I guarantee Jan01 extension as well!!!!

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Posted by Steve on October 19, 2000 at 08:07:14:

In Reply to: POL for $10 - Ha! Just as I predicted!! I guarantee Jan01 extension as well!!!! posted by West on October 17, 2000 at 21:58:44:

Hey West. The $130 million figure is from a year ago. The OFAH figures it's over $350 million and climbing.

Remeber the Liberal government will make you an instant criminal if you do nothing!! There are child molesters being released into our neighborhoods, yet I have to register my shotgun in the interest of "public safety." It makes me sick.

Re: Model 88 Winchester

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Posted by David on October 19, 2000 at 06:21:04:

In Reply to: Re: Model 88 Winchester posted by Stuart on October 18, 2000 at 18:31:48:

The information on the reloading dies should tell you what type of dies you are using. As for a stock there is a Model 88 & 100 collector around Cobourg Ont. Edward Gatien 905-349-3781, he might be able to help.

Re: The "Honourable Anne McLellen

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 19, 2000 at 05:57:11:

In Reply to: The "Honourable Anne McLellen posted by Rob S on October 17, 2000 at 19:31:51:

There is no such thing as a "Honorable" politician!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St Clair 'fowl

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Posted by Shooter on October 19, 2000 at 00:27:49:

Just been a bluebird fall so far. Fishing is great! Local fowl populations are good this year giving us plenty of shooting opportunities at locally raised Mallards, Widgeon, Woodies, and Ringneck. Greenwing Teal seem exceptionally plentiful and have been showing up as the majority of daily bag.

Water levels are beginning to slump as usually happens in fall. Couple that with already near record low water levels and many of the past productive marshes are not navigable, even with canoes and push poles. New marshes are popping up in what used to be considered the main bays.... plenty of room and lots of birds!

A few snow squalls in northern Michigan and Minnesota have moved some Bluebill into the area. Some rafts are beginning to show up in the lake. there is probably a good mix of Redheads with them as well as some Cans. Will take screamin' nor'westers in November to move them into the bays.

James Bay strain of Canadas are passing through right now in large numbers hence a stay on gunning Canada Geese until the first of Nov. Praying for cold and blustery.......

Shooter

Re: Deer Season?

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Posted by Kevin on October 18, 2000 at 21:03:30:

In Reply to: Deer Season? posted by Outdoorsman on October 17, 2000 at 19:20:32:

You can download the 2000 Regs from here but it takes a while if you don`t have the high speed connection.

The Regs

Re: Ask the CO

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Posted by Homer on October 18, 2000 at 20:35:19:

In Reply to: Ask the CO posted by Vince on October 12, 2000 at 17:01:54:

Try..... http://dragon.zoo.utoronto.ca/askMNR/mnrfaqgame.html It will take you to question 83.

Re: Model 88 Winchester

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Posted by Stuart on October 18, 2000 at 18:31:48:

In Reply to: Model 88 Winchester posted by David on October 14, 2000 at 16:34:06:

I use reloads in mine, however can't tell you anything about the dies. I need a new stock for mine and can't find one anywhere.

Re: POL for $10 - Ha! Just as I predicted!! I guarantee Jan01 extension as well!!!!

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Posted by blackwolf on October 18, 2000 at 15:28:20:

In Reply to: POL for $10 - Ha! Just as I predicted!! I guarantee Jan01 extension as well!!!! posted by West on October 17, 2000 at 21:58:44:

Right on! but just a small question, what happens if you get caught after dec 31st without, even though you applied for it dec 1st? Did the government promise a 28 day return? Have you ever heardof the gov'ment upholding a promise? Remember the G.S.T ? gun registration is one of my pet peaves, sorry people!

shooting range or sighting in in the woods?

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Posted by Leon on October 18, 2000 at 10:35:21:

All,

Please advise on shooting range in Toronto area where I can sight in my rifle and which accepts visitors (non members).

Is it legal to just go to the woods and target shoot on Crown Land?

Leon

Re: Deer Season?

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 18, 2000 at 05:48:55:

In Reply to: Deer Season? posted by Outdoorsman on October 17, 2000 at 19:20:32:

Well that all depends on whether or not you want to kill the deer with a shotgun, rifle or bow.........why don't you do like the rest of us & go to the store & get a copy of the regulations & read them & if you can't read, well then find someone to read them for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some people are so goll darn lazy!!!!!!!!!!!!11

POL for $10 - Ha! Just as I predicted!! I guarantee Jan01 extension as well!!!!

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Posted by West on October 17, 2000 at 21:58:44:

In Reply to: pol for 10 bucks extended till dec 31 posted by chessy on October 17, 2000 at 18:24:09:

Hey Guys,

My predictions earlier on this board that this program would be a dismal failure are dead on!!! Dropping the price increase is an attempt to get more applications, 1.3 million licenses issued out of approx. 3 million gun owners in Canada! Sounds like a dismal failure to me with only 10 weeks to go. Mark my words the final date will be extended as well, by not increasing the price they have just given people more of a reason to stall! They will see my application on DEC.31/2000 if at all!!! I want them to enforce the search of the one million people who will probably not apply. This registration scheme has WASTE written all over it. Imagine how our health system could have been improved from the 130 million already spent on this FIASCO!!! Remember Bill C68 when you vote this fall! I surely will!!

Regards. WEST

The "Honourable Anne McLellen

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Posted by Rob S on October 17, 2000 at 19:31:51:

What the hell is "Honourable about that female dog how dare you insult this board and its contributors. The Liberals must be defeated! oh yah I have a female dog for sale but I can"t call her a bitc...????on this board?

Deer Season?

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Posted by Outdoorsman on October 17, 2000 at 19:20:32:

I live in the barrie area. Could anyone tell me when the deer season is for my area.

Thanks in advance,

Outdoorsman

pol for 10 bucks extended till dec 31

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Posted by chessy on October 17, 2000 at 18:24:09:

News Release

$10 POSSESSION-ONLY LICENCE EXTENDED TO DECEMBER 31, 2000

OTTAWA, October 12, 2000 - The Honourable Anne McLellan, Minister of Justice and Attorney General for Canada, today announced that the fee for a firearms possession-only licence (POL) will remain $10 until December 31, 2000.

"The combination of the reduction in fees, simplified forms and our outreach program has been very successful in encouraging Canadians to obtain gun licences. There are now more than 1.3 million Canadians in compliance with the licensing provision and applications are being submitted in record numbers. In fact, more than 126,000 applications came in last week. With the deadline only 10 weeks away we want to make it as easy as possible for Canadians to comply and this is why we are keeping the fee at $10 until the end of the year," said Minister McLellan.

The fee for the POL was reduced from $45 to $10 last June and was scheduled to rise to $60 on October 15, 2000. At a recent forum of provincial police associations representing both rank and file and chiefs of police, it was strongly recommended that the government extend the reduced fee for the POL until the end of the year. The government has responded to this request by announcing that the fee will remain $10 until December 31, 2000. As previously announced, those who paid $45 are receiving an automatic refund.

Firearm owners who plan to get the POL should apply immediately because as of January 1, 2001, POLs will not be available to new applicants. New applicants will only have the option of obtaining a possession and acquisition licence after that date. However, anyone who has a POL by the end of this year will be able to renew it every five years.

"Without a licence, an individual will not be in legal possession of firearms and will not be able to purchase ammunition. We do not wish to see anyone inconvenienced and thus we are encouraging people to take action immediately," said Minister McLellan.

Firearm owners will be able to get assistance in filling out the form from licence assistance teams until the end of November in a number of locations. About 100 teams are in place across Canada to assist with the application and take the applicant's photo for their licence. Times and locations are available at www.cfc.gc.ca or by calling 1 800 731-4000.

Statistics and examples show that the firearms program is already paying dividends in terms of public safety by keeping firearms out of the hands of people who should not have them. More than 2,000 licences have been revoked or refused since December 1, 1998 by public safety authorities.

donkey shooting

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Posted by Brad on October 17, 2000 at 15:18:32:

In Reply to: Story About Several Donkeys posted by AJB on October 17, 2000 at 12:54:42:

Someone shot a donkey in chapleau last friday they still havnt caught the person responsible they have some leads though because they are searching the hotels for some guy!

sturgeon ducks

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Posted by Brad on October 17, 2000 at 15:16:49:

Anyone having much luck hunting on sturgeon or emily I've done terrible on emily but pretty good on sturgeon, got a couple mallards, pin tails and blue wings, no geese havnt seen any more than 4 geese in the last 5 outings. i have a lot of ducks fly by but no interest in my calling or decoys any suggestions would make my trip a whole lot better. thanks

sturgeon ducks

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Posted by Brad on October 17, 2000 at 15:15:12:

Anyone having much luck hunting on sturgeon or emily Ive done terrible on emily but pretty good on sturgeon, got a couple mallards, pin tails and blue wings, no geese havnt seen any more than 4 geese in the last 5 outings. i have a lot of ducks fly by but no interest in my calling or decoys any suggestions would make my trip a whole lot better. thanks

donkey shooting

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Posted by Brad on October 17, 2000 at 15:09:58:

In Reply to: Story About Several Donkeys posted by AJB on October 17, 2000 at 12:54:42:

Someone shot a donkey in chapleau last friday they still havnt caught the person responsible they have some leads though because they are searching the hotels for some guy!

Story About Several Donkeys

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Posted by AJB on October 17, 2000 at 12:54:42:

Just heard the tail end of a story on CBC. Apparently some "hunters" shot a Donkey recently, (I think it was on Manitoulin Island). Oddly enough I seem to remember that the same thing happened just last year near Thunder Bay. Though, admittedly they are both large dark brown animals, I do not particularily want to share the woods with people who can't tell the difference between a moose and a donkey. If anyone out there knows anything about the slob "hunters" who did this, do the right thing and report them.

Re: The Rut

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Posted by Kern on October 17, 2000 at 08:11:00:

In Reply to: The Rut posted by Matt on October 14, 2000 at 18:07:06:

Been out alot since the first and have had 9 sightings to date, the latest two being last night. Two were close enough to cause shallow, rapid breathing and increased heart beat. I had one shot at a doe early last week and missed. Im still shakin my head at that shot!! No amount of target practice would have got me ready for the rush of sqeezing the trigger on my first deer with my first bow!!

Have not seen any bucks at all or scapes.

Kern

Could be several reasons

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Posted by Kevin on October 17, 2000 at 07:52:06:

In Reply to: Re: Polishing a bore posted by rob on October 16, 2000 at 22:34:57:

Is the barrel free floating?
Is the action bedded?
Is the scope level and mounts tight? Are you using factory or handloaded ammunition?
Have you changed bullets?
Are you shooting off a good bench using a rest and resting the stock and not the barrel?
Do you let the barrel cool between shots?

Re: Polishing a bore

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Posted by rob on October 16, 2000 at 22:34:57:

In Reply to: Re: Polishing a bore posted by Kevin on October 16, 2000 at 21:50:39:

Not too bad.

consistently under 1.5 inch groups.

used to be .75 inches though.

wondering why the change.

Here`s a picture

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Posted by Kevin on October 16, 2000 at 22:20:28:

In Reply to: Turtle trapping posted by wicket on October 14, 2000 at 14:28:31:

Re: Polishing a bore

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Posted by Kevin on October 16, 2000 at 21:50:39:

In Reply to: Polishing a bore posted by Rob on October 16, 2000 at 19:34:18:

How`s it shooting?

Polishing a bore

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Posted by Rob on October 16, 2000 at 19:34:18:

I've got a new gun. Shot about 150 rounds through it.

A friend of mine - whose opinion I respect said I should lightly polish the bore with a light metal polish.

Opinions and experiences are appreciated.

Polishing a bore

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Posted by Rob on October 16, 2000 at 19:30:23:

Re: The Rut

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Posted by blackwolf on October 16, 2000 at 18:01:24:

In Reply to: Re: The Rut posted by HARVIE on October 16, 2000 at 10:44:32:

when the grunt doesn't work, I would try a fawn bleat.The best I've ever used was from canadian trash, sorry, tire, two rubber bands over a green block. cheap but it works.I've shot a lot of deer using that cheap call. In fact recalling my first deer, the buck still kept comming at the call after I shot him, got another shot at him. A bad day hunting is still better than a good day at work,except payday!

Re: Hey Nick!!

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Posted by Braden on October 16, 2000 at 17:45:06:

In Reply to: Re: Geese save the day. posted by sparky on October 14, 2000 at 08:08:19:

What info do you need about the flag? Hell I'll make you a template of it if you like. You'll have to wait for me to finish the role before you get pics. Going for divers tomorrow a.m. I'll let you know how it goes.

Braden

long point

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Posted by woodrow on October 16, 2000 at 15:25:34:

going to long point for the first time just wondering if anyone could give me some info on whether or not I can hunt from shore with my dog or do I need a boat,is the diver hunting any good from shore and what are the better blind numbers

Re: dufferin north peel anglers and hunters association

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Posted by woodrow on October 16, 2000 at 15:07:34:

In Reply to: dufferin north peel anglers and hunters association posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 22:13:52:

Artman I used to be a member their when I was younger the guy you want to talk to is Paul Brock he will probably be there on Sundays shooting trap.If you do join you can also hunt the property they own for ducks and geese.Also used to be some good snowshoe hunting

moose in wmu 29

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Posted by Brad on October 16, 2000 at 13:30:09:

Theres moose in wmu 29 I've archery and rifle hunted there for the last 9 years, you've got to get into places no one else is. Not always true though. Saturday of opening on a new cut by gogama foret products there was 30 guys in the new cut, Sunday night there was only me and my cousin! And one massive bull, which surprised me too much and I missed it, but made up for it monday night with a nice 40" bull. Walked 4kms into a secret spot of ours did two bull calls, listened to the bull crash around an hour later one cow call and we had him on us within 5 minutes dropped him in his tracks at 125 yrds. An amazing hunt for me. Regained myself in the hunt camp from the previous night. Happy hunting. No bears this year didn't even see one.

Re: The Rut

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Posted by HARVIE on October 16, 2000 at 10:44:32:

In Reply to: Re: The Rut posted by blackwolf on October 15, 2000 at 09:18:08:

Nice story, glad to see you got one and that you brought your kids out hunting. I spent Sunday in WMU 70 and did not see much ruting activity. The only rub I found was one from last year, maybe I was walking around with my eyes closed. Set up my stand on an oak ridge for the aft and had a real nice 7 pointer come into 15 yards. I had drawn my bow back when he walked behind a tree, but my face mask got in the way and I could not make the shot when he came out to the opening. I tried grunting at him when he was walking away, but to no avail. It was still worth the time spent.

Mourning Doves follow-up

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Posted by Vince on October 16, 2000 at 09:57:52:

I decided to take the advice of GUNNERMCA and ask the Wild- life officer. His reply to the same question I asked on Oct. 5, 2000 is as follows: "Mourning Doves, although apparently abundant in numbers to the casual observer, do not constitute an excessively large enough population in Ontario to warrant inclusion in the migratory bird open season. I would suggest that a couple of seasons of hunting would have the impact of reducing the population to sufficiently low numbers that would likely present a propagation conservation issue. You are not the first to ask me about this - in fact I am led to believe there are a very large number of game bird hunters who would participate in a Dove hunt if the permis- sion existed. But for now the season does not exist."

I thought the excert which was written by GUNNERMCA on Oct.5 was pretty knowledgeable, so I used some of this information (which I hope gunnermca doesn't mind) to respond to the CO. I will be re-laying any info that comes back to me.

Great moose hunt

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Posted by George on October 16, 2000 at 09:09:44:

We retuned yeaterday from a great hunt. We got a bull a cow and I shot my first black bear (huge)..

Long Point Waterfowl reports??

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Posted by Shooter on October 16, 2000 at 01:15:48:

anybody been shooting the long point/turkey point area or the waterfowl unit??? could use any info and contacts for that area

shooter

Re: Tree Stands

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Posted by rob s on October 15, 2000 at 21:08:27:

In Reply to: Tree Stands posted by Sam on October 13, 2000 at 16:56:42:

I bought a "big foot" from them two years ago its great although lebaron are Aholes... at any time hey take a good look at it and if you have acess to a welder make your own I did no problem!

Re: wmu 29 moose

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Posted by alces on October 15, 2000 at 19:43:17:

In Reply to: wmu 29 moose posted by roho on October 14, 2000 at 12:15:52:

Lots of moose but no tags seems to be a common problem these days. I hunt in wmu 13 and the MNR had planned a massive tag cut this year but a local group came to the rescue. They mailed out surveys to record moose sightings during the hunt and want teeth sent in to confirm age and health. They raised money for a fly-over census to be done this winter. The MNR agreed not to cut any tags untill this is complete and there is ACTUAL proof any cuts are necessary.

Re: ???? your favorite 12 ga slug

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Posted by P Orme on October 15, 2000 at 15:07:47:

In Reply to: Re: ???? your favorite 12 ga slug posted by howard on August 16, 2000 at 19:58:22:

Lightfield slugs are terrific and i feel highly honoured to know their designer who has considerable experience in ballistics and gun design . this may come across like an advert but i know you can be sure of lightfield

Re: The Rut

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Posted by Matt on October 15, 2000 at 12:04:59:

In Reply to: Re: The Rut posted by blackwolf on October 15, 2000 at 09:18:08:

I haven't been out much yet, but with the full moon this weekend, I figure things should start falling together real soon. By the way, I hunt in 82B.

Re: luther marsh hunting

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Posted by blackwolf on October 15, 2000 at 09:24:36:

In Reply to: Re: luther marsh hunting posted by DH on October 14, 2000 at 22:36:23:

Now that deer season is over for me, there is a few better places that are in the same area that I wouldn't mind sharing, drop me an e-mail if you are interested. Blackwolf

Re: The Rut

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Posted by blackwolf on October 15, 2000 at 09:18:08:

In Reply to: The Rut posted by Matt on October 14, 2000 at 18:07:06:

in mmu#85, the rut is late, really late,the deer are just starting to gather, there is no scapes to speak of. The buck I shot last night still had the velvet on his antlers.I've been rotating my hunting stands but had yet to see any sign and I was resolved that rut was late this year,and hunting was going to be better after the shotgun season,so I took my two older boys out to teach them how to move in the woods,how to safely climb into their tree stands, and how to set up the decoys, and the scent and their location etc.... We were walking into one of my stands making all the mistakes there could be, I was smoking, kids were noisy, anything that would normally spook the deer we did. But low and behold in a feild that was just plowed, there was a deer, told the kids to be quiet,to a resounding "WHAT DID YOU SAY" I figured that would spook them,not, it just graizing so I nocked an arrow and tried to position myself for a better shot,then I noticed that there was seven more deer in the feild,So I picked a spiker, the other buck was big enough but I've been hunting him for the past four years,so how could you shoot him,so I took the spiker.I was able to teach the boys more last night than I had started out to teach them.They learned how to feild dress, and how to carry the deer out. A good experience for them, if they were not hooked before they are now,I was able to teach them more last night than taking them on a dozen hunts. So,if you are hunting ten years from now,and you run into a hunter that walks through the woods singing or making lots of ungodly noises, and just generally doing everthing wrong, you know that they are probably my boys.

TURKEY'S?????

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 15, 2000 at 08:12:28:

Anyone going to the turkey course @ Humber College on the 22nd??????????

Re: luther marsh hunting

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Posted by DH on October 14, 2000 at 22:36:23:

In Reply to: Re: luther marsh hunting posted by blackwolf on October 13, 2000 at 23:42:14:

Thanks i'll check the luther map and see. We might go back for one more try at notherns coming down. Thanks. Any more tips would be great (on luther.) I have to say its my favorite place to hunt. thanks again DH

Re: Turtle trapping

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Posted by Kevin on October 14, 2000 at 20:56:51:

In Reply to: Turtle trapping posted by wicket on October 14, 2000 at 14:28:31:

I don`t but I think most turtle trappers just use a baited cage trap.

The Rut

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Posted by Matt on October 14, 2000 at 18:07:06:

Anybody noticing any good rutting activity lately? Feel free to share your observations.

Re: Prince Edward County

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Posted by HARVIE on October 14, 2000 at 16:45:28:

In Reply to: Re: Prince Edward County posted by Dave on October 14, 2000 at 12:31:52:

I had called the Ministry this summer and they said it was fine during the bow season. I don't know what the regs are for the controlled hunt in Dec. Now I hope I am right because it is Sat. and of course the MNR is closed today.

Model 88 Winchester

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Posted by David on October 14, 2000 at 16:34:06:

Is there anyone out there reloading for their model 88. I am going to purhase a set of dies and I am wondering if standard dies will be ok or should I consider small base dies. I have not yet discussed this with a supplier and I would like to here from some one that has had some experience with an 88.

Turtle trapping

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Posted by wicket on October 14, 2000 at 14:28:31:

Anyone trap turtles out there and if so how.

Re: wmu 29 moose

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Posted by wicket on October 14, 2000 at 14:27:35:

In Reply to: wmu 29 moose posted by roho on October 14, 2000 at 12:15:52:

I don't see that the MNR has the resourses to have any correct pop data for Ontarios big game. Extrapolation from harvest data based on habitat data ect ect ect doesn't cut it.

Re: Prince Edward County

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Posted by Dave on October 14, 2000 at 12:31:52:

In Reply to: Prince Edward County posted by HARVIE on October 14, 2000 at 11:19:10:

I was under the understanding that deer hunting was not permitted at the point petre public lands there. I've been bird hunting there and everyone I've talked to said you aren't allowed to hunting, and the MNR confirmed this a couple years ago. If you own land then you can hunt on your own property. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this cuz it seemed like a great place to hunt deer.

wmu 29 moose

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Posted by roho on October 14, 2000 at 12:15:52:

just got back from our annual hunt in 29. no tags again,no calves harvested,saw 6 bulls,2cows.in 1999 saw 9moose no tags.in 1998 saw 5 moose no tags.i think the mnr needs to reavaluate the way it surveys populations

Prince Edward County

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Posted by HARVIE on October 14, 2000 at 11:19:10:

I will be hunting in WMU 70 down at Point Petre on Sunday the 15 Oct. for deer. I was drawn for a doe tag for the achery season only. I haven't been in there since the spring and I was just wondering if anyone has hunted there and if it is any good. I am driving down from Mississauga, so I hope it is worth it.

Re: Geese save the day.

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Posted by sparky on October 14, 2000 at 08:08:19:

In Reply to: Geese save the day. posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B on October 12, 2000 at 20:37:45:

Good going Braden ! Sounds like you had some fun.. Also can you email off the list for a question on that flag you made last year. Also send me a picture of thos Canadas for my web site.

Sparky

Re: luther marsh hunting

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Posted by blackwolf on October 13, 2000 at 23:42:14:

In Reply to: Re: luther marsh hunting posted by DH on October 13, 2000 at 18:18:16:

just off the damascus rd, there is a portion that leads to the water most of the ducks and geese hang out there and go out to the feilds. Was there last year, and scouted it out a few weeks ago.

Re: winchester model 1200 barrel UPDATE

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Posted by David on October 13, 2000 at 22:01:59:

In Reply to: winchester model 1200 barrel posted by artman on October 12, 2000 at 21:02:31:

Just got back from Accuracy Plus in Peterborough (705-740-0063). They have a used Winchester Ranger 120 barrel 30" full choke 2 3/4 & 3" no vent rib for $50.00. I am sure it will work.

Re: GUNS 4 sale

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Posted by Adam on October 13, 2000 at 21:57:05:

In Reply to: GUNS 4 sale posted by Shooter on September 06, 2000 at 23:40:46:

I am really interested in the Remington Model 1100 semi-auto. I'm 17 and I just received my FAC and my hunting permit, I've been hunting with my Dad for all my life, and I finally saved up some money, so I'd like to get my first gun. Please e-mail me if you still have it. Very much appreciated, Adam

Re: luther marsh hunting

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Posted by DH on October 13, 2000 at 18:18:16:

In Reply to: Re: luther marsh hunting posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 22:53:01:

Were do you go on the west side. I was just there last weekend tons of ducks (but there smart). Any good spots that are tucked away. Have you been there latly if so how did you do. thanks DH

Tree Stands

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Posted by Sam on October 13, 2000 at 16:56:42:

I've been using a home-made tree stand for a few years and am finally sick and tired of it.

Can someone please provide me with some suggestions on good tree stands? I've been to Lebaron in Mississauga, but I don't know which models are any good.

Thanks.

Re: Ask the CO

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Posted by Andy on October 13, 2000 at 14:44:21:

In Reply to: Ask the CO posted by Vince on October 12, 2000 at 17:01:54:

March? Where are you looking?

Re: Geese save the day.

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Posted by Misbegotten Swamp Dweller on October 13, 2000 at 14:05:19:

In Reply to: Geese save the day. posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B on October 12, 2000 at 20:37:45:

Hey Braden;

Congrats on the honkers! Giants? - Too bad about all the clowns tryin to bugger up your huntin tactics.

Goose season in this nick o' the Bayou starts on Monday.

I'll call you today (Friday).

-Matt

I'll call you today (FRIDAY)...

Re: Steel vs Lead Shot

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Posted by Tech on October 13, 2000 at 10:00:33:

In Reply to: Re: Steel vs Lead Shot posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 07:41:15:

To be fair, the answer to your question would have been YES just a couple of years ago. For a while it was only required for you to use steel shot on bodies of water that were recognized (typically the body of water needed to be named on a map) or a designated no lead zones.

Re: Ask the CO

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 13, 2000 at 06:03:44:

In Reply to: Ask the CO posted by Vince on October 12, 2000 at 17:01:54:

They do answer, but it does take time!!! Wouldn't you rather they be out busting snaggers & poachers rather than answering questions on the Internet???????????????

Re: winchester model 1200 barrel

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Posted by David on October 13, 2000 at 05:46:36:

In Reply to: winchester model 1200 barrel posted by artman on October 12, 2000 at 21:02:31:

Last one I saw was at Epps Spoorting Goods north of Orillia 705-689-5333.

Thanks

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Posted by David on October 13, 2000 at 05:38:44:

In Reply to: Re: Steel vs Lead Shot posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 22:44:42:

Thank you for our reply. We did find clarification in the Ontario Regs. I just don't understand why upland birds and pests can be hunted with lead and not Geese over land. Thanks again.

Re: luther marsh hunting

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Posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 22:53:01:

In Reply to: luther marsh hunting posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 22:12:36:

Luther is not a bad place to go, however the best is on the west side,I beleive it still is a pay as you play, there is a few bogs around so a boat would be a good idea. I live a few miles from there, so drop me a line and I'll be happy to let you know more information. blackwolf

Re: Steel vs Lead Shot

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Posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 22:44:42:

In Reply to: Re: Steel vs Lead Shot posted by Vince Camarda on October 12, 2000 at 15:55:08:

I stand corrected, I haven't hunted woodcock in quite a few years, so I had forgotten to include them in my migratory bird list between my ears. please forgive me

winchester model 1200 barrel

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Posted by artman on October 12, 2000 at 21:02:31:

Does anyone have a full choke barrel for a model 1200 pump gun? I would like to find a 30" long barrel with a 3" chamber if possible.

Geese save the day.

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Posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B on October 12, 2000 at 20:37:45:

Went to the Holland marsh near my house this A.M. It was slow as usual at this time of year, and i witnessed some of the typical Holland B.S. like a guy unloading into a flock of geese (seagulls) 15 minutes before legal shooting time ( three shots at a flock of gulls flying in v formation 25 yards up and he couldn't drop one?) Also saw some of the typical skyblasters taking literal 100 yard shots straight up at terrified ducks, as well as the no boat, no decoy,no wader, no dog, how am i going to retrieve a bird if I kill it yardbirds that typically inhabit the berm running through the marsh. From our blind we have a comfortable vantage point for a lot of these carryings on, and it does provide us with an excellent source of entertainment when the birds aren't flying. Bluebird skys, buzzed by one duck 5 min before legal time, and call shy high flyers made for generally poor hunting conditions (shure was a lot of blasting on Cooks though, we just weren't getting the birds) Stuck it out until 10, when we marked a pair of honkers coming in. At this point we where about to pack decoys, and only one gun out, i got the honours. Moderate honking and a touch of flag work was all that was needed for them to beeline for our pothole, and i'll say right here I have never taken a bird at such close range. We estimated that the first bird was shot at perhaps 3 yards off the gun barrel, on the first shot (how could you miss, shot it's beak clean off, i ve got a picture) Missed on my second shot, and spanked the second bird on my final shot (nice clean kill at about 25 yards) Anyway, it made our day, and pulled us out of the skunker. Well thats my story and i'm stickin to it.

Braden

Re: First Goose

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Posted by Sid on October 12, 2000 at 17:30:16:

In Reply to: Re: First Goose posted by Joe on October 11, 2000 at 20:14:28:

The best day to hunt Tiny is opening day. There's usually a lot of ducks and also a lot of hunters to keep them moving from spot to spot. However, I find that after the first few weeks following the opener, there aren't many ducks left. I guess most of the ducks were residents. There is a $10 per day fee, or a $50 season. You can only hunt mornings up to the 15 of Oct, after that you can hunt evenings also. Just a side note: on the drive leaving the marsh, I saw 4 Tom's crossing the road. I've always heard they were there, but never before had I seen them. It was quite the thrill. You can also hunt Pheasents too. Hope it's enough info. Good luck on rest of year!

Ask the CO

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Posted by Vince on October 12, 2000 at 17:01:54:

Was wondering if anyone ever sent a question to the CO by means of this webpage. It has been over a week and no response as of yet. Intrestingly enough when I checked the FAQ section the last questing was answered back in March, 2000.

Re: Steel vs Lead Shot

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Posted by Vince Camarda on October 12, 2000 at 15:55:08:

In Reply to: Re: Steel vs Lead Shot posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 07:41:15:

Actually not all migratory birds have to be hunted using steel shot. Woodcock can still be hunted with lead shot and I hope it stays that way.

Re: orangeville area hunting

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Posted by Frank on October 12, 2000 at 12:51:13:

In Reply to: Re: orangeville area hunting posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 19:33:15:

I haven't been to Luther yet this year, but unless something has changed the 15dollar fee for both waterfowl and small game hunting applies. They were stocking about 1400 pheasants each season and the waterfowl hunting can be very good, especially a couple of weeks after Thanksgiving when the hunter numbers decline and the birds lose their wariness. Grouse hunting seems particularly good on the western and southern portions of the area and may be your best bet if you lack a dog, canoe or waders. If you contact Cambridge district MNR, they should also be able to send you a map of Crown Land and Regional Forests, indicating which of them are open to hunting. There's about tem of them around Luther alone, which may make for decent after work strolls in search for grouse when you haven't enough hunting time to justify forking out the fee for Luther.

I hope this info helps!

Frank

PS. As jack said, there's no hunting on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Re: PAL arrived today!

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Posted by TDC on October 12, 2000 at 09:36:34:

In Reply to: PAL arrived today! posted by Pierre on October 11, 2000 at 23:02:44:

Consider yourself lucky....when I applied they LOST,yes you heard right,lost my whole application and I had to send another. I started the whole process the first week of April and finally received my PAL in November. Spent lots of time on the phone with them too.I was not impressed to say the least........TDC

Re: PAL arrived today!

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Posted by Gunnermca on October 12, 2000 at 09:17:40:

In Reply to: Re: PAL arrived today! posted by Fischer on October 12, 2000 at 08:02:13:

These jerks at the CFC are beyond belief. I phoned and got them to send me out the applications for "alternate testing" for my PAL. I figure that my time is worth more than having to take the stupid (and expensive) course and or exam.

I sent this application in at the end of May (they were supposed to be out at the beginning of May ... but that's another story). I inquired at the Fall Hunting show at one of the 16 or so booths that the CFC had there as to WTF my application and subsequent phone call had gotten to. They told me that they had a grand total of about 1500 people apply and had processed about 1/3 of them as of the show. I asked them if they were kidding about this HUGE number of applicants that must have overwhelmed them (very sarcastic like of course) and how if I sent mine in right at the beginning I hadn't even heard from them yet. They just shrugged it off and said that I would probably hear from them in the following couple of weeks. WRONG!!!!

I sent in 3 other applications along with mine (all by courier) at the same time ... and SURPRISE ... they haven't heard anything either. If these Aholes can't process a lousy 1500 people in a matter of 5 months or more ... good luck to all those who are figuring their licenses will be coming soon.

They also quoted (with quite a bit of GLEE, that the majority of people were failing the alternate testing ... my reply was "why the F do I care about the majority of people ... when is it going to be my turn".

I applied for my "on sale 'til October only" $10 POL back in July at one of their traveling roadshows ... guess what ... no sign of it either.

Re: PAL arrived today!

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Posted by Gunnermca on October 12, 2000 at 09:16:11:

In Reply to: Re: PAL arrived today! posted by Fischer on October 12, 2000 at 08:02:13:

These jerks at the CFC are beyond belief. I phoned and got them to send me out the applications for "alternate testing" for my PAL. I figure that my time is worth more than having to take the stupid (and expensive) course and or exam.

I sent this application in at the end of May (they were supposed to be out at the beginning of May ... but that's another story). I inquired at the Fall Hunting show at one of the 16 or so booths that the CFC had there as to WTF my application and subsequent phone call had gotten to. They told me that they had a grand total of about 1500 people apply and had processed about 1/3 of them as of the show. I asked them if they were kidding about this HUGE number of applicants that must have overwhelmed them (very sarcastic like of course) and how if I sent mine in right at the beginning I hadn't even heard from them yet. They just shrugged it off and said that I would probably hear from them in the following couple of weeks. WRONG!!!!

I sent in 3 other applications (all by courier) at the same time ... and SURPRISE ... they haven't heard anything either. If these Aholes can't process az lousy 1500 people in a matter of 5 months or more ... good luck to all those who are figuring their licenses will be coming soon.

They also quoted (with quite a bit of GLEE, that the majority of people were failing the alternate testing ... my reply was "why the F do I care about the majority of people ... when is it going to be my turn".

I applied for my "on sale 'til October only" $10 POL back in July at one of their traveling roadshows ... guess what ... no sign of it either.

Re: PAL arrived today!

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Posted by Fischer on October 12, 2000 at 08:02:13:

In Reply to: PAL arrived today! posted by Pierre on October 11, 2000 at 23:02:44:

My son sent his away in early August. So far, it hasn't even been put into the system yet.

No big deal, except that he turns 18 in early Nov., and must have it in order to go deer hunting.

OTOH, I sold four guns in early Sept. I got authorization to transfer one of them within 24 hrs. The authorization for the other three just came yesterday. Legally, none of these guys (who were all legally qualified, with their PAL's) could have the guns they bought until the transfer came through. Wadda joke!!!

Re: orangeville area hunting

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Posted by Jack on October 12, 2000 at 07:55:13:

In Reply to: Re: orangeville area hunting posted by Kern on October 10, 2000 at 23:14:53:

The fee last season for Luther marsh was only $15.00 for each hunter for the day. There is a season pass that is available as well. You can only hunt disignated days. I belieave they may be Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. You daily count is as the regulations for that area.

Re: Steel vs Lead Shot

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Posted by blackwolf on October 12, 2000 at 07:41:15:

In Reply to: Steel vs Lead Shot posted by David on October 12, 2000 at 07:08:33:

No. All migratory birds must be taken with non toxic. If you check your reg's, both with your migratory license, and with your ontario they both state non toxic shot only. Personnally, I think that those who thought it up suffer from toxic shock but that is only my opinion

Steel vs Lead Shot

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Posted by David on October 12, 2000 at 07:08:33:

I do not hunt waterfoul but because of some discussion at work I have a question. Can you use lead shot for hunting Geese over a corn field?

PAL arrived today!

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Posted by Pierre on October 11, 2000 at 23:02:44:

I just wanted to relay to anyone interested that the turn around time on my PAL, from application to receipt in the mail was approximately 6 weeks. My instructor thought I'd have to wait 6 months. There's hope for them yet...

Re: First Goose

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Posted by sparky on October 11, 2000 at 22:13:37:

In Reply to: First Goose posted by Sid on October 11, 2000 at 18:12:04:

Sound like a great job !! I recall my first goose. I hope that there were pictures to remember it in the future ? There is nothing beeter than hearing the sounds of these big birds coming into the water and a big splash after that shot ! It also sounds like your dog did a great job as well !! I hope there was an extra munchie awaiting him when he got home ? As for the other fellow yes you can hunt on holidays. You cannot hunt on Sundays in most parts of Ontario. Only a couple around where you can hunt on Sundays. There is nothing in the regs that stops you from hunting on these days.

Best of luck in the future !

Sparky

Re: First Goose

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Posted by Joe on October 11, 2000 at 20:14:28:

In Reply to: First Goose posted by Sid on October 11, 2000 at 18:12:04:

Congrats!!! Two quick questions/comments: 1: How's the duck hunting in Tiny and how do you get access to the marsh. 2: I would have gone out on Thanksgiving but I thought you weren't allowed to hunt on Holidays......Is this accurate?? Congrats again on your first goose..... I'm still waiting for my first anything this year.

First Goose

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Posted by Sid on October 11, 2000 at 18:12:04:

Went to Tiny Marsh on Thanksgiving morning. Very little activity for ducks. However the marsh was full of geese. In fact, since I've been going to Tiny(5 years now), I've never seen so many geese. I finally bagged my first goose. My black lab also retrieved his first goose too. I felt so proud of him. I had to send him out several times because the goose was still alive and every time he went to grab it, it moved and shyed away from it. But after 4 tries, he finally got it.

Step By Step Pictures Of Field Dressing A Deer..

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Posted by deerhunter1 on October 11, 2000 at 12:31:12:

This Link will Take you where you can see how a Deer can Be Field Dress Step by Step :Photo's etc.. http://www.huntri.com/field.dress.shtml

Re: Antlerless Deer Draw

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Posted by Bob on October 11, 2000 at 06:42:25:

In Reply to: Re: Antlerless Deer Draw posted by Tod Vandrish on October 10, 2000 at 08:37:46:

Animal rights types inside the post office destroyed some a few years ago. Good luck

Re: orangeville area hunting

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Posted by Kern on October 10, 2000 at 23:14:53:

In Reply to: Re: orangeville area hunting posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 19:33:15:

Hey Artman....Just a heads up ....before you drive out there you may want to contact the MNR for more info. Phesant hunts are usually $25.00/hunter. That gets you 2 birds. You also should have a dog to point the birds. It is a major no no to shoot at birds that someone elses dog has raised!! The birds are released from cages the morning of the hunt and for the most part is a "put and take" type of game/resource. Ruff Grouse and partridge are are wild and can be taken in any wood lot with out all the fuss and muss of these organized phesant hunts.

Kern

dufferin north peel anglers and hunters association

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Posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 22:13:52:

can anyone tell me what the dufferin, north peel anglers and hunters club is like and how one becomes a member?

luther marsh hunting

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Posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 22:12:36:

can anyone tell me what the hunting is like at luther marsh? i am going to the marsh next week and i am not sure if i want to go for waterfowl or for phesants. Any info on the area would be greatly appreciated.

luther marsh hunting

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Posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 22:12:21:

can anyone tell me what the hunting is like at luther marsh? i am going to the marsh next week and i am not sure if i want to go for waterfowl or for phesants. Any info on the area would be greatly appreciated.

Re: orangeville area hunting

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Posted by artman on October 10, 2000 at 19:33:15:

In Reply to: Re: orangeville area hunting posted by blackwolf on October 08, 2000 at 07:38:06:

thanx alot i am going to go and check out the phesant hunting at luther marsh next week.

Parker's Decoy Paint

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Posted by hitman on October 10, 2000 at 14:42:42:

Does anyone know if you can get this in Canada and if so, where??

Thanks, Hitman

Re: Used Guns

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Posted by Stephen on October 10, 2000 at 10:30:47:

In Reply to: Used Guns posted by DH on October 10, 2000 at 10:09:56:

Here a few links that I check on;

http://aardvarkarms.net/index.htm http://www.shooterschoice.com/catalogue_front.htm http://www.gagnonsports.com/

Used Guns

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Posted by DH on October 10, 2000 at 10:09:56:

Does anyone know were I can get a good used gun.(12 ga auto) I am looking for a Beretta,Benelli, Browning etc preferably gas operated. thanks DH p.s any links or phone numbers will do.

Re: Antlerless Deer Draw

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Posted by Tod Vandrish on October 10, 2000 at 08:37:46:

In Reply to: Antlerless Deer Draw posted by Chuck on October 10, 2000 at 08:26:11:

Had the same thing happen to me. I had to go into the MNR office and sign a declaration that I did not receive the tag and they issued me another. A bit of a hassle if you live far away from the office. Good luck.

Tod

Antlerless Deer Draw

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Posted by Chuck on October 10, 2000 at 08:26:11:

I called the phone number in September and was advies that I was successful in obtaining a doe tag, however have not yet received my tag. Anyone else in the same boat? Does anyone know how I can get another tag if it was lost in the mail?

Re: Rifled Slug Question

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Posted by howard on October 09, 2000 at 20:39:38:

In Reply to: Rifled Slug Question posted by Tackleberry on October 08, 2000 at 09:11:45:

Do not waste saboted ammunition in a smoothbore barrel. Sabot slugs are intended for fully-rifled barrels only. Rifled choke tubes will work,but not as well as a fully-rifled barrel, when using sabot slugs. Foster-style slugs (rifled slugs) are best used in a smoothbore barrel with a inproved-cylinder choke.

Re: ??????????????

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on October 09, 2000 at 13:01:10:

In Reply to: ?????????????? posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 08:42:02:

It's the ebb and flow on the board Tack. Remember about the anonymous aspects of posting and consider that some are minors - others, although older, act like minors. If they can't see the connection that a positive image presents to others, then they just don't see very much. Ignore it and carry on.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.com

SHOTGUN FOR SALE

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Posted by Matt on October 09, 2000 at 10:20:01:

Remington 870 Wingmaster - Very Good Condition 1 - 30" Vent rib barrel, Full Choke, 3" Mag. 1 - 19" Plain barrel, Cylinder Bore w. bead sight, 2 3/4"

Great Combo for Ducks, Geese, Grouse, Deer. 30" Barrel patterns great with 3"mag Challenger #2 Steel.

Nice recoil pad & checkering, white spacers, grip-cap has duck motif.

Gun not yet registered, I bought it years ago.

$350.oo (O.B.O)

Re: Rifled Slug Question

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Posted by DUMB ASH REDNECK HUNTER on October 09, 2000 at 07:46:06:

In Reply to: Re: Rifled Slug Question posted by chessy on October 08, 2000 at 09:52:29:

What the h*ll did you say????????????

Re: buckshot thru a rifled barrel.......

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Posted by mike on October 09, 2000 at 00:47:26:

In Reply to: buckshot thru a rifled barrel....... posted by chessy on October 08, 2000 at 17:26:08:

I have kill a lot of deer with ssg and 00 and 000 3 inch , After getting hit by them they don't go that far never spoil any meat . The farest one i have shot was about 60 yards away the closes about 15 yards. Got a 200 lb Doe with 1 pellet to the heart it when about 25 yards and drop dead. I use a 20inch smooth barrel with open rifle sights on it.. Plus i have kill bears with buckshot also..

Buck Thru Rifling

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 08, 2000 at 22:35:09:

In Reply to: Re: On another tack (sorry Tackleberry). Anyone shoot.... posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B on October 08, 2000 at 13:18:57:

Yes I can talk on that, ..... don't do it. At extremely short range it won't matter. At moderate ranges it will produce a "donut" patern complete with hole. At exteended ranges, the safest place would be is having the sights on you.

The action is pretty simple, ... the shot moves down the barrel as on mass. Because of this the rifling effects the mass, rotating it. Once the shot exits the barrel it will continue to rotate, but the shot is no longer held together as one, the centrifical force "throws" the shot outward.

It won't damage anything, well, except for the surounding terrain or the animal you Didn't want to shoot.

SO!!!! thanks for the input on the slug. I'll just say to leave the rifled one where they were designed to be.

Tack

Re: buckshot thru a rifled barrel/Humans eh??

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Posted by Kern on October 08, 2000 at 21:34:31:

In Reply to: buckshot thru a rifled barrel....... posted by chessy on October 08, 2000 at 17:26:08:

I always thought the 243 hollow point was the choice round for Humans!! Mind you, alot of people still hold a special place in their hearts for the traditional 7.62 NATO....Personally I prefer slugs for deer. Heard alot about animals running off with a load of buck in them but have yet to come across one. Im confident if I tag one with the 766 grain loads I use they arent going far.

buckshot thru a rifled barrel.......

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Posted by chessy on October 08, 2000 at 17:26:08:

In Reply to: Re: On another tack (sorry Tackleberry). Anyone shoot.... posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B on October 08, 2000 at 13:18:57:

the only thing i would hut with buck shot is humans (dont get me wrong i would never do it ) i have seen more animals lost due to buckshot and i could never put a animal thru that . i know i know i have see it used at close range with good results ie under 30 yards but what the hell is left to eat after all that as ripped thru it they should out law buck shot for deer SORRY BUT MY 2 CENTS WORTH for what it is worth

Re: On another tack (sorry Tackleberry). Anyone shoot....

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Posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B on October 08, 2000 at 13:18:57:

In Reply to: Rifled Slug Question posted by Tackleberry on October 08, 2000 at 09:11:45:

Buckshot through a rifled tube, or even a rifled barrel??? This is a question myself and a friend keep pondering, anyone got an answer for us? Responses appreciated. And sorry Tack, I haven't the foggiest with regard to your question.

Braden

Re: Rifled Slug Question

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Posted by chessy on October 08, 2000 at 09:52:29:

In Reply to: Rifled Slug Question posted by Tackleberry on October 08, 2000 at 09:11:45:

no shoot sabots from a rifled or rifle choke only rifled slugs from a smooth bore the rifeling from the rifled slug and the rifeling on your barral fight each other and if im not mistacken the rifeling is reversed for one to the other so it will fill your lands and grooves on a rifled barrel i was told to shoot only sabots out of my rifled barrel when i bought my gun hope this helps

Rifled Slug Question

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 08, 2000 at 09:11:45:

A friend of mine asked about using "rifled slugs" out a "rifled choke tube". I told him I can't talk with authority on that but would post it to see any opinions.

I said that the sabot style would do fine. I thought the engraving of the "rifled slug" would be too hard on the tube. That said, .... anybody know of "rifled slugs" being fired from a fully rifled ballel???? Any accuracy difference from sabot to the rifled ones???? I mean, coming from the fully rifled barrel.

Thanks Tack

Re: orangeville area hunting

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Posted by blackwolf on October 08, 2000 at 07:38:06:

In Reply to: orangeville area hunting posted by artman on October 07, 2000 at 21:48:46:

Try luther marsh, about 20kms west.

Re: Gun Amnesty

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Posted by DUMB (CENSORED) REDNECK HUNTER on October 08, 2000 at 06:41:31:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Amnesty posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 08:11:22:

You tell'm Tack!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Mooooosie in 62

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Posted by mike on October 08, 2000 at 01:46:38:

In Reply to: Mooooosie in 62 posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 17:44:25:

We hunt right next to you in area 63 we got a calf last year i wish some day i will draw a tag, i have try ever year and never got one i used to hunt wmu 11 i used a 30/06 with 180 grain,the other guy that hunts with me he uses a 338win mag with handloads.. Good luck on your hunt. Maybe some day i will or my partner will get a tag, there was 25 bull and 5 cow tags handed out plus i not to sure how many group tags where hand out ..Good Luck On your hunt....

orangeville area hunting

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Posted by artman on October 07, 2000 at 21:48:46:

Does anyone know where there are public hunting grounds near Orangeville other than Island Lake? Any members of Dufferin Peel Anglers and hunters association can tell me more about the organization? Thanx for all replies.

orangeville area hunting

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Posted by artman on October 07, 2000 at 21:44:59:

Does anyone know where there are public hunting grounds near Orangeville other than Island Lake? Any members of Dufferin Peel Anglers and hunters association can tell me more about the organization? Thanx for all replies.

Re: Mooooosie in 62

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Posted by chessy on October 07, 2000 at 19:47:37:

In Reply to: Mooooosie in 62 posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 17:44:25:

leaven next sat for moose in wmu 54 we drew 2 bulls between 8 guys i use a 270 imr 4064 poweder and a 150 nosler partition good luck to all Ps i hunt in alqonquin park

Re: Mooooosie in 62

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 07, 2000 at 19:33:59:

In Reply to: Mooooosie in 62 posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 17:44:25:

I'm going for calves in zone 47.

My primary gun is my BLR in .358 Winchester shooting 198 gr experimental bullets in front of 53.7 grains of Win 748. My backup is a 1954 version of the Remington 760 in .35 Remington shooting those same experimental bullets in front of 37 grains of 3031.

Mooooosie in 62

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 17:44:25:

Is anybody else getting a little excited about the up coming hunt????? I've been a good little hunter and going over my "pack list", Oh, seven to eight times.

This is the first year in 62. A freinds relatives have a good size of property bordering a lake. Expectations are good. A scouting trip revieled tracks on a few trails this summer. To top it off "the beaten trail" is approx. 3 feet wide. So it looks like there is minimal traffic.

We are not expecting a great harvast, after all, there is only 10 Bull tags available in the whole WMU, and no Cow tags. And a camp member got a tag!!!!!

Myself I would be happy to see one walk by, it's been years since I've seen a live Moosie. I'm realy just looking forward to get out into the bush again.

Question ..... what're ya'll using on Moosie this year???

I have already explained to one friend that planning this is like playing golf.

Scoped Rifle; Swedish Mauser (sportered)6.5x55 with a special 160gr. RDN load.

Iron Sights; (backup) Enfield No.5 .303 with 180 gr. RDN

Security; (works as backup & camp/kill site security) Remington 870 with smooth bore & rifle sights "loaded for bear" OO 3"BK

Safe Hunt, Tack

Watch thems bucks

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Posted by MM on October 07, 2000 at 12:34:15:

On Yahoo, link

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001003/od/deer_dc_1.html

Farmer Feared Killed by a Mating Buck

TORONTO (Reuters) - A Canadian farmer was found dead after an incident that police said may have resulted from a buck staking his territory around 13 doe during mating season.

William McCavanagh, a 54-year-old southern Ontario resident, was discovered by a neighbor in a deer compound with bite marks and other injuries that police said appeared to have been inflicted by the buck.

``The deer had been at him but we're not sure if the deer killed him or he maybe had a medical problem beforehand... for example, a heart attack,'' Constable Hal Brown of the Ontario Provincial Police said Friday.

Authorities were awaiting the results of an autopsy.

Police said that during rutting season, from September to December, male deer become very territorial and aggressive.

``People have to be very cautious when handling the deer and interacting with them during rutting season when the male hormones are flowing,'' said Brian Tapscott, an alternative livestock specialist at the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture.

??????????????

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 08:42:02:

In Reply to: Post removal posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 08:33:23:

Gentlemen, why is it that when a concern or view point is presented that you don't agree with, it becomes fair game on the administration. The way I read the above explaination numerous warnings have been issued. I noticed that they have been neglected as an issue in the postings below. Why is this so?? The "theme" seems to be similar to my daughters reasoning after I give descriptions "why not", 3-4 varying examples and the reply is the same "but I want to". So what is the solution ?? "Because honey, daddy said so."

Please take it the way it was intended. Life is full of options, choose one, see what happens. But don't complain if it the wrong one after ignoring guidence.

Stay Safe, Shoot Straight

Tack

Re: Gun Amnesty

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 07, 2000 at 08:11:22:

In Reply to: Gun Amnesty posted by Morris on October 05, 2000 at 13:45:58:

It never ceases to amaze me on how quick people LEAP to conclusions for a "conspirious theory".

The whole premise for an amnesty period is to not have the ability to charge. I would not want to be sitting at the front desk and have people speraticaly appearing with guns. Don't loose sight of the "type" that will be handing in firearms under such a program. These type of people know two things about firearms.... "#*@kall and Nothing". As for "an inconvenient time", I think that's what they mean by "arrange for an officer to come and pick it up". Yes You might be noted for future concern if you can not describe a reasonable way you came into possession of a firearm, "assuming" participants of this program never had a licence. (do not know the procedure, however I'm sure some small talk "just" might get around to where it came from) Yes they will record where it came from, ... the person turning it into Police, and I would bet my house that once recieved it will be turned over to forensics for ballistic tests. If it was used in a crime, it WILL not be ignored.

People like you and I would never think of participating, nor will the "homeboys and their puppys". Simply because for good or bad OR, legal or illegal, we charish, prize the possession.

I am a strong proponant of firearms possession by citizenry that is TRAINED!! If you're not trained, you have no business in my sport. Just like if you're not trained...properly, you have no business on the roads where my family and I travel.

Stay Safe Tack

Re: Bear attack near Peterborough?

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Posted by Kevin on October 07, 2000 at 08:07:03:

In Reply to: Re: Bear attack near Peterborough? posted by Mike on October 07, 2000 at 00:12:57:

Mike; I agree, bring back the Spring hunt and get the bears thinned out or give us concealed carry permits.

Re: gps Garmin what model?

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Posted by KC on October 07, 2000 at 07:25:14:

In Reply to: gps Garmin what model? posted by Rob S. on October 04, 2000 at 18:57:57:

Check out the Lowrance for quality, ease of use,and the biggest surprise of all, the Price.

Re: Bear attack near Peterborough?

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Posted by Mike on October 07, 2000 at 00:12:57:

In Reply to: Re: Bear attack near Peterborough? posted by Tod Vandrish on October 06, 2000 at 09:19:59:

I live about a 1/2 hr from Youngs Point and on the news tonight they check him out and he did have a legal bear license plus the neighbor to him was also feeding the bears and he is upset that the bear had to be shot,i guess there is still 6 to 8 bears around that area . Also because of the longweek they are warning the public if they go into the bush be carefull and watch for bears.. Bring Back The Spring Bear Hunt::::

Re: MOSSBERG 9200 AUTO

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Posted by Ignorant, uncouth S.O.B. on October 06, 2000 at 13:05:49:

In Reply to: MOSSBERG 9200 AUTO posted by DH on October 05, 2000 at 22:02:08:

Having no experience with the gun, my only comments are based on hearsay, and the hearsay ain't to good. I have heard nothing but horror stories with regard to the mossberg auto, wich is the direct opposite of the pumps that are (while much maligned) generally considered reliable. I have never heard anything positive about a mossberg semi, and I'll bet if you polled people they would sy the same thing. Keith Long from Long's guns (reputable Coburgh gunsmith) flat out called em a pile of crap in a discussion in his shop. Generally i trust him, and take his advice as gospel, as he has never led me astray. None the less, ask around and get a bunch of opinions first. Good spot might be www.huntamerica.com under the forums section. Go to the waterfowl forum and post the question. There are several very knowledgeable waterfowlers that would be more than happy to give comments.

Braden

Re: Bear attack near Peterborough?

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Posted by Tod Vandrish on October 06, 2000 at 09:19:59:

In Reply to: Bear attack near Peterborough? posted by Fischer on October 06, 2000 at 08:57:11:

Here is the story

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/001006/4642262.html

Bear attack near Peterborough?

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Posted by Fischer on October 06, 2000 at 08:57:11:

Saw a blurb on CP24 about a bear attack near Peterborough. The guy ended up killing the bear and it may be an Ontario Record (272 kg, I think).

Anybody seen any reports on this? Please post them.

Re: NO SEASON IN ONTARIO FOR DOVE NEVER HAS BEEN ONE

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Posted by Fischer on October 06, 2000 at 07:56:33:

In Reply to: Re: NO SEASON IN ONTARIO FOR DOVE NEVER HAS BEEN ONE posted by gunnermca on October 05, 2000 at 21:37:25:

While I'd love to see them added to the list in Ontario, you'd be amazed at the kerfuffle that's been raised in Wyoming(?) where they are proposing a mourning dove hunt. There have been death threats against the proponents grandchildren, it's become a huge election issue. The anti's have even gone so far as to call them peace doves (their not).

Dove hunting is huge in the US, as well as parts of South America, like Venezuela.

Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far!

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Posted by DUMD 'CENSORED' REDNECK HUNTER on October 06, 2000 at 05:31:14:

In Reply to: Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far! posted by Kern on October 06, 2000 at 01:02:42:

There my good friend & wanna be 'cop', you are wrong...........you should listen to some of Jeff Foxworthy's tapes & you will see that he use's that which I cannot 'for fear of been banned' and a lot worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to top it off, I be the makes a hell of a lot more money than you do...............oops....I hope hell is not a banned word or I just might end up there!!!!!!!!!!! As for all the supporters that have responed, thanks, i'm glad there are still those out there that do have a sense of humor............in case i'm banned forever, for my rebutal...........good hunting from the DUMB "CENSORED" REDNECK HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far!

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Posted by Kern on October 06, 2000 at 01:02:42:

In Reply to: Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far! posted by Screemin Reel on October 06, 2000 at 00:09:38:

yes but Jeff doesnt come out and say Dumb ass....

Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far!

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Posted by Screemin Reel on October 06, 2000 at 00:09:38:

In Reply to: Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far! posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 22:45:08:

I dont see a problem here.Its only a parody.Jeff Foxworthy seems to be making a decent living at the expense of the Rednecks.All in good fun.

Re: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far!

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Posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 22:45:08:

In Reply to: Well then the moderater doth goeth to far! posted by Braden on October 05, 2000 at 20:52:34:

The handle is offensive to some people. It may not hurt other people's sensitivities, but other that being in poor taste and suggesting to readers that hunters are a crass bunch, it is what I consider "gutter talk" that adds nothing to the tone of the board or content of the postings. Just because certain language is heard on TV or on the street does not make it acceptable in mixed company. I will admit that this is a borderline case, but I prefer to err on the side on conservatism and good taste. A few of the guys moderating the fishing board moderate this one as well, but I acted on my own this time deleting the posts.

Re: Mourning Doves

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 05, 2000 at 22:28:15:

In Reply to: Mourning Doves posted by Vince on October 05, 2000 at 14:45:08:

I seem to recall a very limited hunt for mourning doves about 10 years ago in one or two counties. I know the eco-idiots were up in arms about it, but if I recall correctly, there was little interest that year because we have no dove hunting tradition. I believe the MNR simply abandoned the issue.

MOSSBERG 9200 AUTO

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Posted by DH on October 05, 2000 at 22:02:08:

Anyone have any info on this gun I am looking at buying a used one. Is it reliable and does it jam or anything like that. Any info good or bad would be great thanks.. DH

Re: NO SEASON IN ONTARIO FOR DOVE NEVER HAS BEEN ONE

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Posted by gunnermca on October 05, 2000 at 21:37:25:

In Reply to: NO SEASON IN ONTARIO FOR DOVE NEVER HAS BEEN ONE posted by chessy on October 05, 2000 at 20:07:59:

Legend has it that many years ago when they were drafting the migratory bird act (or something similar such as the Game & Fish Act) a lowly secretary (no offence intended) typed the mourning dove on the wrong side of the ledger. It was duly passed into law with no one noticing until it was too late.

What with governments being as they are ... it was much easier just to leave it be ... wouldn't want to have to take the trouble to "fix" a wrong now would we??? Heck, who knows what else we might discover?

I remember reading an article that stated that the number of mourning doves that die each winter in Ontario is phenomenal. Apparently their feet/legs are not suited to cold temperatures and they get gangrene from them freezing. This in turn kills them ... and thus they are a wasted resource.

I think that in the US, more shells/ammo are fired at mourning doves than at any other small or big game. We feed them all spring, summer and fall, only to have them either die as above, or migrate south and "run the gauntlet". There does not appear to be any "scientific" reason for this closed season.

Maybe a good question to "Ask the MNR Biologist" or even "Ask the MNR CO".

Well then the moderater doth goeth to far!

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Posted by Braden on October 05, 2000 at 20:52:34:

In Reply to: Re: What is the problem??? With the fellows handle? posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 15:36:37:

In this case it is defiately NOT warranted. This ain't the fishboard, there are no slagging wars over here and to be offended by the dumb-ass redneck bit is pretty comical in my eyes. Matter of fact I may have to come up with a racy handle for myself. Moderation is warranted on the fish board, most definately! But it is NOT needed here. Only once has there been a problem on this board, with a bunny hugger I believe. Generally speaking this board is pretty tame, and most of the guys very helpful. Who is the moderator??? I can't imagine your taking offence to it Andy. If it's university policy then so be it, but I think not. Regards,

Braden

Re: Post removal

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Posted by Rob S on October 05, 2000 at 20:39:49:

In Reply to: Post removal posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 08:33:23:

question is who's put out by this guy? anyone old enough to read has heard the real thing at school at least here he's making fun back at the TREE HUGGIN LIBERALS!! give us and him a break!

NO SEASON IN ONTARIO FOR DOVE NEVER HAS BEEN ONE

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Posted by chessy on October 05, 2000 at 20:07:59:

In Reply to: Mourning Doves posted by Vince on October 05, 2000 at 14:45:08:

there has never been a seaon on morning dove in ontario

Re: left eye right hand

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Posted by John on October 05, 2000 at 18:35:16:

In Reply to: left eye right hand posted by Wisky on October 01, 2000 at 10:37:20:

Here is a quick easy test. Quickly point to an object across the room. While still pointing at the object, close one eye then the other. You will find your one eye will be looking directly at the object. Good luck!

Re: What is the problem??? With the fellows handle?

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Posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 15:36:37:

In Reply to: Re: What is the problem??? With the fellows handle? posted by Matt Ende on October 05, 2000 at 13:51:11:

No problem with the redneck part. It's what was pre-pended. The poster was warned and his posts deleted previously. He chose to ignore the moderator's requests.

Mourning Doves

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Posted by Vince on October 05, 2000 at 14:45:08:

Any info. as to why there is no open season for mourning doves in Ontario?

Re: What is the problem??? With the fellows handle?

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 05, 2000 at 13:51:11:

In Reply to: What is the problem??? With the fellows handle? posted by Braden on October 05, 2000 at 13:46:33:

I have no problem with it either. I'm a redneck too.

What is the problem??? With the fellows handle?

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Posted by Braden on October 05, 2000 at 13:46:33:

In Reply to: Post removal posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 08:33:23:

I admit it is a little strong, but i can't see it being a big issue. Certainly not one worthy of post deletion. Sometimes politically correct get's the better of us, and i believe this is one of those times. Signed (respectfully),

A fellow redneck hunter.

Gun Amnesty

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Posted by Morris on October 05, 2000 at 13:45:58:

Just a thought after reading the postings on Mayor Mel's gun amnesty. I was curious as to why you have to phone and have them picked up? Then i got to thinking that it is a good way to find the addresses of at least 500 gun owners, who if by January 1, 2001, do not have a PAL or other license. Well guess metros finest will be knocking on your door with a warrant.

Worse yet the persons recieving your firearm, during the amnesty, will probably show up at an inconvenient time and watch to see where your gun appears from. Great way to have reasonable cause to seach for weapons not stored correctly.

I apologize if I appear a little wary, but the way legitimate gun owners have been villafied, i wouldn't be suprised if this was mels way of tracking down criminals such as us. Maybe i shouldn't have posted this as it may give Jean his next new idea on how to subject the shooting sports public a little more.

Partridge,Grouse

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Posted by doug on October 05, 2000 at 09:49:19:

Anyone found any good locations in southeastern area that are open for public?

Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto

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Posted by Doug on October 05, 2000 at 09:42:33:

In Reply to: Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto posted by Kern on October 03, 2000 at 21:57:12:

Kern, Remember I have a Mossberg 400 that works just fine, without taking my shoulder off.

Post removal

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Posted by Andy on October 05, 2000 at 08:33:23:

I've just deleted all posts by ---REDNECK HUNTER. You have been asked to refrain from using that handle. If you cannot, then please post elsewhere. I hope you will use a different handle and continue posting here, as you have made many positive contributions and I'd hate to see you leave. But your handle is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

Re: laminated steel

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Posted by Glenn Black on October 05, 2000 at 00:10:43:

In Reply to: laminated steel posted by gary on October 01, 2000 at 23:37:18:

If its a very old gun, it probably means its a "damascus steel" barrel. This is made by twisting small strands of steel together while white hot and blacksmith forging them together into a "welded" barrel. It is much weaker than a drilled & forged barrel. Use of magnum loads could cause it to blow up in your face, killing or seriously injuring you. In this case, I'd keep the gun as a souvenir & disable it so that it can't be loaded nor fired.

I have also heard of a newer possibility of making a barrel out of one long thin sheet of steel which is rolled into a tube (kind of like a roll of aluminum foil). The many layers add strength, and as long as they don't corrode it is cheap but works well.

Take it to a gun smith to be sure what you've got. My beat is that its a damascus barrel.

Glenn

Re: gps Garmin what model?

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Posted by Kevin on October 04, 2000 at 23:08:26:

In Reply to: gps Garmin what model? posted by Rob S. on October 04, 2000 at 18:57:57:

Rob; If you go to my site and hit GPS on the links you`ll get some good information.
Click Here
Garmin is tough to beat!

gps Garmin what model?

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Posted by Rob S. on October 04, 2000 at 18:57:57:

was at Lebaron today what a bunch of drips I will pay more elsewhere! they realy had no information other than a one page printout . Im looking at the Garmin web site tonight hope to learn a bit more. hey how about eagle? thanks again.

TO. gun amnesty....

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Posted by Rob S. on October 04, 2000 at 18:52:53:

went into 32 div. today and got quite an earfull! 1st you have to live in TO., two gun limit, that is they will only give you $100.00 max.You must call them and they wiil come and pick the guns up and issue you a recpt. then you mail it into the city. They DO NOT WANT YOU TO BRING YOUR GUNS TO THEM!!!this is the real stupid part is that it is a $50,000.00 budget with the people that are taking the guns in not counting them, .... 1000 X $50.00 = $ 50,000.00 so hurry up and hand in your guns before the Cash runs out! way ta go MEL.

Re: Early Ducks, Small bears

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Posted by Frank on October 04, 2000 at 14:48:47:

In Reply to: Early Ducks, Small bears posted by Leon on September 22, 2000 at 14:11:02:

I forgot that unlike the fishing page, this one doesn't show my email. Please contact me at frank.monozlai@utoronto.ca if you require further info on Luther marsh or duck hunting. I'm not a bear expert but I do know that our black bears aren't all that big.

Regards,

Frank

Re: Maps

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Posted by Tod Vandrish on October 04, 2000 at 12:54:30:

In Reply to: Maps posted by RL on October 04, 2000 at 09:41:12:

Check out

http://mnr.stores.gov.on.ca/mnr/english/product_subcat.asp?tid=0&cat=3

and click on Ontario Base Maps. Good small scale topomaps. Just received some ofthe areas I hunt.

Good luck and have a great season.

Regards

Tod

Re: Maps

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Posted by sparky on October 04, 2000 at 10:32:07:

In Reply to: Maps posted by RL on October 04, 2000 at 09:41:12:

If there are none on the net try your local MNR office as they should have all the up to date maps for you.

Maps

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Posted by RL on October 04, 2000 at 09:41:12:

Has anyone found any topographical map sites on the net for Ontario (particularly southwest)? Would like to see pond locations and new to the area.

Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto

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Posted by Jack on October 04, 2000 at 09:03:26:

In Reply to: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto posted by mike on October 03, 2000 at 18:58:58:

Have you seen the ads in the TRI_AD offering to purchase old firearms? Haven't called yet but i'll bet they offer you $25.00.

Just a futher note, that when the possibility of $50.00 being offered in Toronto the thief rate on guns in Toronto went up!

Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto

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Posted by Fischer on October 04, 2000 at 08:16:55:

In Reply to: Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto posted by Rob S on October 03, 2000 at 22:09:09:

Rob,

The guys with the illegal guns will be waiting around the corner offering everybody $60 for each gun! ;)

G P S what kind ,where, how much???

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Posted by Rob S on October 03, 2000 at 22:25:00:

I wan't to purchase a gps unit to use hunting and fishing I know nothing about them so any help would be great .thanks

Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto

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Posted by Rob S on October 03, 2000 at 22:09:09:

In Reply to: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto posted by mike on October 03, 2000 at 18:58:58:

do you have to live in T.O. and will I have to wait in line so that all the guys with iilegal guns are handing in there guns? lol

Jennings Devastator Crossbow for Sale!!

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Posted by mark on October 03, 2000 at 21:59:14:

Hey Guys,

I've got my Jennings Devastator up for sale. Very fast and accurate with scope, quiver and case included. In excellent condition and recently properly tuned. E-mail me for more info if interested.

Regards, Mark

Re: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto

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Posted by Kern on October 03, 2000 at 21:57:12:

In Reply to: Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto posted by mike on October 03, 2000 at 18:58:58:

wish O had a few mosbergs...Ild make some easy money :)

Re: treestand feedback

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Posted by mumbo on October 03, 2000 at 21:28:21:

In Reply to: treestand feedback posted by jeff white on October 02, 2000 at 21:19:03:

just got a rivers edge archer climber myself. used it once already and am very happy with it. was pretty easy going up and down the tree.stable. if you have any questions email me.

good spots?

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Posted by Jimmy on October 03, 2000 at 19:25:34:

Does anyone know a good spot for goose hunting in Durham Region (even a farmer whos permission I can get).

Thanks guys! Jimmy

Re: Early Ducks, Small bears

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Posted by Frank on October 03, 2000 at 19:06:35:

In Reply to: Early Ducks, Small bears posted by Leon on September 22, 2000 at 14:11:02:

There's usually lots of ducks at Luther Marsh Conservation Area, north-west of Orangeville. Years ago it used to be a mad house but a 15dollar entry fee, the cost of steel shells and tighter gun laws have gotten rid of the majority of idiots. With a small boat or canoe you can certainly get to areas that are relatively unhunted. There's ducks till freeze up, about 1400 hundred pheasants stocked each year and some good grouse hunting in the south end of the Conservation Area. If you contact Cambridge District MNR, they can probably send you a map of Crown Land in that area, including about 10 woodlots near Luther that can keep you busy with grouse. Luther is about an hour drive from Toronto and a good bet for someone without time to find private land to hunt on.

I should also note that there's lots of geese on Luther but that they usually leave after the first week or two of the season. For further info, feel free to e-mail me with any questions that you may have.

With regards,

Frank

Get $50.00 for your Guns From City Of Toronto

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Posted by mike on October 03, 2000 at 18:58:58:

It starts tonight at midnight in Toronto Hand in some of your old clinkers and get$50.00 it from Oct 4th to the Oct 14, The city has set aside $60,000 dollars , You call your Police Station and they will tell you how to get the money Got some old scap guns $60.00..

divers are coming

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Posted by Hitman on October 03, 2000 at 17:45:48:

Just a quick note for you diver hunting enthusiasts. There are quite a few divers (mainly bluebills) showing up on the Bay of Quinte and Lake Ontario around Presquile Prov. Park. Hopefully by the weekend, they should be rolling in good.

Have a safe one, Hitman

Re: First ever duck hunt

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Posted by Hitman on October 03, 2000 at 17:42:02:

In Reply to: First ever duck hunt posted by hutchman on October 02, 2000 at 08:25:34:

Good to hear you are getting hooked. A few comments (not to be critical) about your post. Sounds like your buddy spooked those geese with his calling, especially seeing that they didn't come back. Your 20 ga. is ok for duckhunting providing you get your birds in close. I used to shoot a 20, but with steel now you would probably be better off with a 12. A 10 is a good gun if you are shooting big birds. They are usually fairly heavy (which helps reduce the recoil) and shells can be pretty expensive.

It sounds like you had a great hunt. No doubt, if you continue on, you will have many more.

Have a safe season, Hitman

Licences at 4900 Yonge

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Posted by Andy on October 03, 2000 at 16:07:38:

If you're contemplating going in person to the office at 4900 Yonge Street, be prepared for a major lineup. I waited for well over an hour. Apparently the lineup starts early (like 10). And it moves *very* slowly. I was astounded that one out of three people in line were incapable of filling in the form and needed the clerk to do it for them. I don't much wonder anymore why so many people are unaware of our fish and game laws: they simply can't read.

Goose Silhouettes

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Posted by Eric on October 03, 2000 at 12:23:07:

After humping 36 shells & a dozen full-body decoys, for what seems like a 100 miles (uphill, both ways !), I've become interested in either making or purchasing silhouette goose decoys.

Has anyone had any experience using them ? ...making them ? ...are they effective ? The fact that they are 2D concerns me a bit; don't the geese figure it out when overhead or circling to land ? ...how well do they mix with shells or full body decoys ? ...questions, questions, questions.

I had a look at Sparky's homepage (BTW, nice site !) & got some good ideas, but personal experience & opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

treestand feedback

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Posted by jeff white on October 02, 2000 at 21:19:03:

Looking for some info on climing treestands for archery. Any suggestions as to things to look for or models/types to buy would be appreciated. thanks

Re: First ever duck hunt

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Posted by sparky on October 02, 2000 at 21:14:57:

In Reply to: First ever duck hunt posted by hutchman on October 02, 2000 at 08:25:34:

Well it sounds like your off to a great start !! All the best and happy hunting !!

Sparky http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/7032

Re: moose season

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Posted by Stephen on October 02, 2000 at 20:12:53:

In Reply to: moose season posted by don on October 02, 2000 at 19:52:08:

Oct 16 - 21

moose season

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Posted by don on October 02, 2000 at 19:52:08:

Can anyone tell me the date of moose season in wmu 63?

Re: Well... how was opening day?

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Posted by ross on October 02, 2000 at 17:13:27:

In Reply to: Well... how was opening day? posted by Rob S on October 01, 2000 at 21:23:53:

went out morn+night in 87, no deer ,too hot in evening for much movement,fresh rub near stand #2,back out tues night

Re: Well... how was opening day?

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Posted by HARVIE on October 02, 2000 at 16:31:24:

In Reply to: Well... how was opening day? posted by Rob S on October 01, 2000 at 21:23:53:

I was stuck at work. I will be out Thanksgiving weekend in WMU 70.

First ever duck hunt

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Posted by hutchman on October 02, 2000 at 08:25:34:

Good morning lads I can see why you guys get so excited about duck hunting. If you recall my previous posts, I'm new to hunting this year and Saturday was my first hunt. I went to a pond in Durham region Saturday morning for my first attempt at shooting anything.

The morning started off great, we got to the pond and we heard two Canada's honking. We were going after ducks so my buddy honked his goose call to to see what they'd do and holly chow the place erupted in noise. Geese honking and flapping and trying to take off. It was dark and we couldn't see anything but I'd bet there were 50 or more geese on this pond. Much to our delight they took off never came back. After we unloaded the canoe we set or decoys and waited. It wasn't long before some woody's arrived. We got a couple and missed some more. We got a couple of mallards later in the day and finally 1 Goose. Our total was 12 ducks and 1 goose between 3 guys.

I was using a 1300 ranger 20 gauge, nice gun but kinda whimpy. My buddy was using a 12 gauge autoloader which we did quite well on and my other buddy was using a 10 gauge pump. What a cannon. He let me try it and I couldn't believe the difference. To wrap things up I had a really good time. We're going out tonight after work. If this keeps up I might get hooked on this whole hunting thing.

Re: left eye right hand

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Posted by Steve on October 02, 2000 at 08:01:20:

In Reply to: Re: left eye right hand posted by Dave on October 01, 2000 at 11:24:04:

I agree. I'm officially left handed, that is, I throw left and write with my left, yet when my dad taught me to shoot many years ago, I learned to shoot a rifle and shotgun right handed. I also shoot a pistol right handed, yet I shoot a bow left handed. The deer, grouse and turkey don't seem to mind. I just close whatever the "off" eye is.

Whatever you're comfortable with as long as you can hit the target.

Re: left eye right hand

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Posted by Alain on October 02, 2000 at 06:31:55:

In Reply to: left eye right hand posted by Wisky on October 01, 2000 at 10:37:20:

I was told everyone has a dominating eye and it should be used to get better and better at shooting. Here is a simple test you can perform: Take a sheet of paper (8.5 x 11) and make a small hole in the middle...... extend your arms fully and look through the middle of the paper and focus on a small object at about 20 feet. ....... slowly bring the paper towards your eyes .......The dominating eye will pull stronger than the other....this will determine if you should shoot right or left. give it a try and you will be surprised at the results......Apparently a good percentage of hunters shoot right when in fact they should be shooting left....

laminated steel

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Posted by gary on October 01, 2000 at 23:37:18:

A friend gave me a shotgun with the words laminated steel etched on the barrel. What does that mean and can I shot modern ammo from this gun?

Thanks in advance

Gary

Re: Well... how was opening day?

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Posted by Kern on October 01, 2000 at 21:26:57:

In Reply to: Well... how was opening day? posted by Rob S on October 01, 2000 at 21:23:53:

It was a nice day...didnt hear or see any. will go ouy again tomorrow night.

Well... how was opening day?

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Posted by Rob S on October 01, 2000 at 21:23:53:

Ill keep this short, with a severe ear and throat infection mine sucked!!! didn't even get out of bed.maybe later in the week.

Well... how was opening day?

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Posted by Rob S on October 01, 2000 at 21:23:39:

Ill keep this short, with a severe ear and throat infection mine sucked!!! didn't even get out of bed.maybe later in the week.

Re: left eye right hand

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Posted by Rob S on October 01, 2000 at 21:19:04:

In Reply to: left eye right hand posted by Wisky on October 01, 2000 at 10:37:20:

soon after I was old enough to shoot a 22 my father noticed me closing my right eye while shooting right! (I do'nt know how I hit any targets?) and that's when I learned how to shoot left. I know it sounds hard but if your son is young enough he probably can switch depending on the style of firearm he is using.I shoot a xbow, many different shotguns and rifles, with iron sights and scopes with no problem.

Argh matey!!!

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Posted by Braden on October 01, 2000 at 19:12:45:

In Reply to: Re: left eye right hand posted by Rick Teal on October 01, 2000 at 15:27:18:

Friend of mine solves the problem by wearing an eyepatch over his left eye. This is an extremely effective fix.

Re: left eye right hand

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 01, 2000 at 15:27:18:

In Reply to: Re: left eye right hand posted by Dave on October 01, 2000 at 11:24:04:

From what I've seen, people with cross dominance only have a problem when shooting with both eyes open. Those that I've met merely shoot with their dominant eye closed, and therefore have no problem with duplicate images. After-all, I understand that most shooters close their off-side eye anyway.

Re: left eye right hand

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Posted by Dave on October 01, 2000 at 11:24:04:

In Reply to: left eye right hand posted by Wisky on October 01, 2000 at 10:37:20:

If you haven't had a problem shooting with your right eye then it doesn't really matter. You can train either eye to be effective for shooting, encourage your son to use only his right eye, and he'll get used to it.

left eye right hand

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Posted by Wisky on October 01, 2000 at 10:37:20:

Can anybody properly explain to me the ramifications of being left eyed and right handed when shooting a rifle or bow? This is my situation and now I see my son will have the same when he is old enough to shoot. I never have seemed to have much of a problem shooting with my right eye but have heard contradictory information on this.

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Wisky on October 01, 2000 at 10:32:17:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting with a Ross posted by Screemin Reel on September 20, 2000 at 11:16:04:

I own a Ross and hunted with it for a few years. Accurate but heavy. Many myths about it's safety. The primary reason that it was dropped in the military is that the bolts would constantly seize with the least bit of dirt in the action. Instead of getting off 30 rounds/minute our guys were only getting 8 rounds a minute. We were getting slaughtered because of this.

I have one you can buy cheap if you want it.

October Update - 303british.com

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on October 01, 2000 at 02:05:16:

Update time again. My book gets published! 303 Reloading Recipes - new price! On line reloading, shooting and related articles.

First time visitors, get a coffee and post the DO NOT DISTURB sign.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Skyman on September 30, 2000 at 22:28:37:

In Reply to: Hunting with a Ross posted by Xvunuthut on September 19, 2000 at 03:57:50:

Yes I have. I hunted with one for two years (a sportised version, new stock and docked barrel) just a few years ago. It really sucked. I loved the accuracy (it made even me look like a marksman) and the .303 is a nice caliber to hunt with but the gun jammed badly. If I took the gun from inside the warm house out into the sub-zero weather to hunt the bolt would stick and not pull back. I had to store the rifle locked outside in my unheated shed to solve this problem. The gun also collected a lot of dirt that would fall into the open reciever when the bolt was worked. Especial balsam tree needles. The final straw was when I met an old guy at the Barber shop who was missing part of his cheek bone from shooting one.

Do yourself a favor and get a more modern gun.

Re: Deer scents

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Posted by Rob S on September 30, 2000 at 18:42:10:

In Reply to: Deer scents posted by Kern on September 30, 2000 at 17:40:43:

bucks don't seem to realy notice it buck Ive had doe's and fawns scrape and paw around the scent patches ive put in front of my stand. good luck tomorrow!

Deer scents

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Posted by Kern on September 30, 2000 at 17:40:43:

I was just wondering....how effective is the doe in heat type scents in pre-rut conditions?? Do the bucks care or will this seem off to them and possibly alert them to something "not right"??

Kern

Deer opener

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Posted by Kern on September 30, 2000 at 16:15:13:

Well last week was ducks, tomorrow is deer! You have to like this time of year. Good luck to everyone.

Re: .30 M1 CARBINE

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Posted by lazyarcher on September 29, 2000 at 16:32:56:

In Reply to: .30 M1 CARBINE posted by Mike on September 26, 2000 at 05:48:00:

The M1 carbine comes in a restricted version that has a 18" barrel. The non-restricted version Has a barrel around 20". You can change the resricted versions by lengthening the barrel to longer than 18 1/2", but its a complicated process to have it derestricted. The 30 carbine is a VERY poor deer cartridge, but if you want one, email me. I know where one is cheap. Dave

Oregon Competition Bows- Has anyone heard of them??

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Posted by WEST on September 29, 2000 at 13:49:01:

Hey guys,

I'm looking into buying a compound bow for practice and competition. I've got my hunting bows but have never purchased one for competition events. I'm looking at an OREGON bow , has anybody heard of them or actually used one ? any comments??

Regards, MARK

Re: Pattern Master Chokes

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Posted by Kern on September 28, 2000 at 22:08:45:

In Reply to: Pattern Master Chokes posted by Hitman on September 27, 2000 at 20:18:44:

Saw the add for them at Cabela's online store. 100% in 20 inches @ 40 yrds sounds amazing. I was also impressed with the fact that they come in Browning 10ga! Been looking for after market chokes for that thing for a while now. If you hear anything please post it.

Re: New Pup

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Posted by Kevin on September 28, 2000 at 21:28:06:

In Reply to: New Pup posted by Stephen on September 28, 2000 at 16:07:20:

Stephen; Congratulations on the new pup, they get into everything at that age and there isn`t anything they won`t try to eat. Post a picture if you have one.

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by sparky on September 28, 2000 at 21:14:24:

In Reply to: Duck hunting posted by Ram on September 27, 2000 at 07:16:50:

yes a very large fine and the loss of your equipment!

Re: Where to buy hunting(safari) videos?

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Posted by sparky on September 28, 2000 at 21:06:27:

In Reply to: Where to buy hunting(safari) videos? posted by Leon on September 28, 2000 at 12:26:46:

I have seen these types of videos at Gagnons.

New Pup

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Posted by Stephen on September 28, 2000 at 16:07:20:

I finally got an 8 week old black lab last week. Appropriately my 6 year old daughter decided we should name him Hunter. I came across this in a newsgroup and had to pass it on it is so true!!

How to Photograph a New Puppy

1. Remove film from box and load camera. 2. Remove film box from puppy's mouth and throw in trash. 3. Remove puppy from trash, brush coffee grounds from muzzle. 4. Choose a suitable background for photo. 5. Mount camera on tripod and focus. 6. Find puppy and take dirty sock from mouth. 7. Place puppy in pre-focused spot and return to camera. 8. Forget about spot and crawl after puppy on knees. 9. Focus with one hand and fend off puppy with other hand. 10. Get tissue and clean nose print from lens. 11. Put cat outside, put peroxide on the scratch on puppy's nose. 12. Put magazines back on coffee table. 13. Try to get puppy's attention by squeaking toy over your head. 14. Replace your glasses and check camera for damage. 15. Jump up in time to grab puppy by scruff of neck and say, "No, outside! No, outside!" 16. Clean up mess. 17. Sit back in chair with lemonade and resolve to teach puppy "sit" and "stay" soon

Re: What choke for steel?

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Posted by Kern on September 28, 2000 at 15:34:41:

In Reply to: What choke for steel? posted by Fischer on September 28, 2000 at 09:28:34:

Are the chokes marked "steel" or "Lead". If the arent marked, they are most likely for lead which means you cant use anything tighter than mod. There are choke tubes on the market that are made for steel that are marked as full chokes but that is taking into account the hardness of the steel shot and how tight you can constrick a load of steel.

full choke for lead can only be used with lead shot.

Modified for lead = full for steel shot

imp for lead shot = modified for steel

Typically I use modified but for shooting in close over decoys you can also use imp to widen out you patterns a bit.

Hope this helps.

Kern

Re: What choke for steel?

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Posted by Andy on September 28, 2000 at 15:16:52:

In Reply to: What choke for steel? posted by Fischer on September 28, 2000 at 09:28:34:

Don't use the Full Choke for Steel. I use Improved for situations not farther than 30 yds and modified where most action exceeds that. Having said that, the only way to know is to pattern your gun on paper - every gun, choke, even load combination can be different.

Where to buy hunting(safari) videos?

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Posted by Leon on September 28, 2000 at 12:26:46:

Where to buy hunting(safari) videos?

What choke for steel?

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Posted by Fischer on September 28, 2000 at 09:28:34:

I've got a Winchester 1300 with Winchokes. I have the Imp. Cyl. and the Mod. chokes. Saw a good deal on a Full choke yesterday.

The only thing I'll use this gun for is ducks and geese. I just got it last Christmas, so haven't hunted with it, yet.

I'm wondering, does the design of the chokes allow for a full choke to be used with steel, or should I stick with the Imp. Cyl. or Mod. chokes?

Re: Farmer's deer tags

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Posted by Jake on September 27, 2000 at 22:39:46:

In Reply to: Farmer's deer tags posted by Shotgunner on September 27, 2000 at 19:25:13:

In the area that I live, the farmers tag is only available to a farmer that has 50 acres of land or more. With this tag he does not need to apply into the draw for a controled hunt.

Pattern Master Chokes

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Posted by Hitman on September 27, 2000 at 20:18:44:

Have any of you used these tubes before. Looking for some feedback.

Thanks,

Hitman

www.chesapeakewaterfowlers.com

Re: Now I remember why I don't hunt the Duck Opener

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Posted by blackwolf on September 27, 2000 at 20:05:07:

In Reply to: Now I remember why I don't hunt the Duck Opener posted by Stephen on September 27, 2000 at 13:34:11:

I like to hunt an area in mmu#85 for opener, sky blasters are told off in spades. Its not that they ruin the hunt for everyone including themselves but they wound the birds and make the rest fly higher and skiddish to come into the dekes.Too bad the bad hunters make a bad rap for all of us!!

Farmer's deer tags

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Posted by Shotgunner on September 27, 2000 at 19:25:13:

I was just wondering what a farmer's deer tag was? Can just farmer's get it? Or is it for hunting on farm land? Can you have both a farmer's tag and a normal tag? Cause I have a friend who owns a farm and say he sees tons of deer on their corn field. Thanks for any info!

Re: You said it buddy!!

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Posted by mike on September 27, 2000 at 16:58:55:

In Reply to: You said it buddy!! posted by WEST on September 27, 2000 at 13:54:38:

I never hunt opening any more, i would like to know how all those guys shooting a ducks about a mile up pay for there ammo.. They don't even wait for the ducks or geese to come down.. Not for me ..

You said it buddy!!

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Posted by WEST on September 27, 2000 at 13:54:38:

In Reply to: Now I remember why I don't hunt the Duck Opener posted by Stephen on September 27, 2000 at 13:34:11:

I didn't hunt the opener myself but did hunt yesterday and what a difference. Incredible what difference a day makes. No skybusters or people sitting right next to me. It is incredible how many idiot duck hunters are out there, skybusting, not looking for cripples and just bad ethics in general. How did these morons ever get licensed. I never noticed how many bad hunter's there are until I heard some of the opening day stories from a buddies of mine. I mean come on people we use guns in this sport! have some common sense about distance, safety and general ethics.

WEST

Now I remember why I don't hunt the Duck Opener

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Posted by Stephen on September 27, 2000 at 13:34:11:

Coupl eof friends talked me into going out on the opener this week. Normally I don't, I prefer less people when I hunt. Big mistake, Our blinds had been set for over a month, on Monday morning, we heard another boat coming close, heard them speaking about shooting the ducks in the water. I had to yell out to them that those weren't ducks but our decoys. With at least 10 minutes before legal shooting time, the yahoos starting letting loose. It took a while but I realized that 2 groups had parked themselves a little too close to our blinds for my liking. This was confirmed when the odd shower of pellets came raining down. From a distance I can put up with it. When the yahoo starts shooting level over the reeds I have a problem. On 2 occassions pellets landed in the boat, and one came across level and hit me in the cheek. By this time I had enough of the skybusters. How do they think they can hit a goose 80 yards in the air? It's not like they were hitting any of the cormorants they tried shooting at each pass. Come the end of the day, there were the folks shooting at ducks well into the evening, we had already loaded up all our dekes and were heading in and they were still shooting. (By the way guys, thanks for the mallard you shot and didn't even think of looking for). I guess it will be another 5 years before I try the opener again. At least I can look forward to the cold days of November to keep the idiots off the pond.

thanks fo rhte venting.

Probably a Conservation Officer

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Posted by Kevin on September 27, 2000 at 07:43:54:

In Reply to: Duck hunting posted by Ram on September 27, 2000 at 07:16:50:

You can`t bait waterfowl.

Duck hunting

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Posted by Ram on September 27, 2000 at 07:16:50:

If I were to spread corn around my yard and put decoys out, and call do you think I would get anything?

Re: Toronto Archery

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Posted by blackwolf on September 26, 2000 at 20:56:28:

In Reply to: Toronto Archery posted by Tod Vandrish on September 26, 2000 at 10:31:42:

One of the best shops around is a little further west,in Waterloo about an hours drive from Toronto called the bow shop,if you know anything about archery,George is the owners name,if you want more details, e-mail me.

Re: Morning or Evening?

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Posted by blackwolf on September 26, 2000 at 20:51:25:

In Reply to: Morning or Evening? posted by Dave on September 25, 2000 at 20:20:05:

Both, I enjoy the sunrise and the sunsets

Re: .30 M1 CARBINE

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Posted by bob on September 26, 2000 at 19:04:51:

In Reply to: .30 M1 CARBINE posted by Mike on September 26, 2000 at 05:48:00:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, with the barrel PROPERLY lengthened, and the magazine plugged to 5 the M1 is legal. Personal opinion of it's ability as a deer cartridge..... It's a wounder, the thirty thirty has more energy at 100 yds that this peice of junk has at the muzzle. Don't count on multiple hits, deer just wont give you that oportunity.

Re: WOW WHAT A HUNT

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Posted by DH on September 26, 2000 at 17:51:44:

In Reply to: WOW WHAT A HUNT posted by chessy on September 25, 2000 at 17:35:32:

Were do you hunt I am coming to hunt in orangville on saturday.. great opener eh. DH

Re: .Yes it's restricted!

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Posted by Braden on September 26, 2000 at 12:05:09:

In Reply to: .30 M1 CARBINE posted by Mike on September 26, 2000 at 05:48:00:

The .30 carbine that is. But the Garand is not. You can not hunt with a restricted weapon, so the carbine is out. Get yourself a ruger mini 30 in 7.62x39. From all that I have heard this is an excellent mid range deer rifle. And it is similar to an M1 carbine.

Toronto Archery

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Posted by Tod Vandrish on September 26, 2000 at 10:31:42:

I am heading to TO and was wondering if there are any good archery shops I could visit while there. I will have a little down time and would like to pick up a few last minute things. Thanks in advance for your help.

Good hunting

Tod

Re: climbers

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Posted by TDC on September 26, 2000 at 09:21:19:

In Reply to: climbers posted by jeff white on September 26, 2000 at 08:18:59:

Take a look at this one ..very safe and comfortable http://www.treelounge.com/

Re: .30 M1 CARBINE

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Posted by Eric on September 26, 2000 at 08:47:39:

In Reply to: .30 M1 CARBINE posted by Mike on September 26, 2000 at 05:48:00:

Mike,

I can't comment on how good or bad an M1 is for deer, but I did read this little ditty from the MNR's "Ask the CO" website...

Question 56, Asked on June 28/00

The M1-GARAND is an 8 shot semi-automatic .30-06. Under Canada's new firearm laws, autoloading centre fire rifles are limited to 5 shots, with a few exceptions, one of which is the M1-GARAND. The hunting regulations state that centre fire rifles allowing more than 5 shots are prohibited (This statement is NOT correct) by Canada's firearms laws.

Is it legal to use an 8 shot M1-GARAND to hunt big game in Ontario? The regulations, by referring to Canada's firearms laws imply that it is.

Answer from the MNR

You are right and it is an error in our hunting summary. I have passed this observation on to the folks who produce the regulations summary.

As the federal firearms regulations are not ones which CO's are directed to enforce, I asked for help from the CFC. This is a reply which I received from the Canadian Firearms Centre "I would clarify that the M1 Garand is a non-restricted firearm. Although overcapacity magazines are prohibited devices (it is not the firearm but the magazine that would be prohibited in these circumstances), the magazine for the M1 Garand is not an overcapacity magazine since a specific exemption is made for it in the Regulations passed under Part III of the Criminal Code." In fact, what the hunting regulations summary say is that "..you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire rifle". We need to add a tail clause to that sentence which adds "unless that clip has been specifically exempted pursuant to the Firearms Regulations".

Hope it helps.

Ask the CO, FAQs"

climbers

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Posted by jeff white on September 26, 2000 at 08:18:59:

looking for some information on climbing stands. thinking of purchasing one, but not sure as to type and how well they work thanks

Re: BPS for sale

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Posted by jeff white on September 26, 2000 at 08:14:20:

In Reply to: BPS for sale posted by Sid on August 22, 2000 at 18:16:09:

is the gun still for sale?

Re: BPS for sale

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Posted by jeff white on September 26, 2000 at 08:14:07:

In Reply to: BPS for sale posted by Sid on August 22, 2000 at 18:16:09:

is the gun still for sale?

.30 M1 CARBINE

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Posted by Mike on September 26, 2000 at 05:48:00:

I'm looking at buying a .30 M1 Carbine for deer hunting....what are your thoughts on this & I had heard at one time or another that the M1 was considered a restricted firearm.......can anyone clarify???? Thanks in advance..........Mike?

Hunting-Fishing Camp

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Posted by T Pitts on September 25, 2000 at 23:09:10:

I am looking for 5 sportsman to go in on a hunting and fishing camp. I have the french river area picked as a possible location for the camp as there are a few properties for sale in that area for a reasonable price. If you have ever wanted to own a camp but did not have the time or the money to have your own full time cottage we want to hear from you. One of the places I have in mind would require a down payment of $1700 and a cost of $600/year for mortgage and maintainance. Please email me if you are interested in being part of a hunt club. Thank-you!!

Re: sunrise and sunset tables

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Posted by DeerTrack on September 25, 2000 at 21:44:43:

In Reply to: sunrise and sunset tables posted by Hitman on September 19, 2000 at 16:45:12:

Try http://aa.usno.navy.mil/AA/ and click on the "Data Services" button. Click on the "Table of Sunrise/Sunset, Moonrise/Moonset, or Twilight Times for an Entire Year" link. Fill out "Form A" or "Form B" depending on your location the click the "Compute Table" button. That should give you the information your looking for.

DeerTrack > > > > > > http://www.nighthawk.icestorm.com

Morning or Evening?

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Posted by Dave on September 25, 2000 at 20:20:05:

Which does everyone prefer to hunt ducks?

WOW WHAT A HUNT

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Posted by chessy on September 25, 2000 at 17:35:32:

14 GEESE AND 12 DUCKS BYE 730 HOPE EVERY ONE ELSE HAD THE SAME LUCK

Re: Want to Buy rifle

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Posted by Stephen on September 24, 2000 at 22:13:10:

In Reply to: Re: Want to Buy rifle posted by ROB S on September 22, 2000 at 22:01:11:

Nothing in my books, my friend just prefers not to get one.

Used Guns

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Posted by David on September 24, 2000 at 21:49:57:

In Reply to: Re: oops... sorry I gave you a bad link posted by Mike on September 13, 2000 at 09:39:45:

Try some of the gun shows. One in Lindsay Oct 22.at the Armoury. 10.00am.

Good Luck

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Posted by David on September 24, 2000 at 21:41:36:

In Reply to: sorry posted by Shooter on September 23, 2000 at 09:31:40:

Best of luck on your moose hunt.

Re: Gun Registration: New numbers published!

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Posted by mike on September 24, 2000 at 16:38:27:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Registration: New numbers published! posted by Kern on September 24, 2000 at 15:09:29:

The Government is losing money not like the gst where they made money on it, Go to www.lufa.ca As hunters we got to stick toghther, The Blackmarket is what they should be after not legal gun owners..

Re: Who's looking forward to archrey season :)

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Posted by ross on September 24, 2000 at 16:24:53:

In Reply to: Who's looking forward to archrey season :) posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:49:24:

put the last of my stands up this morning.my exocet and i will be out early in wmu87 i have been suffering from a serious case of tree stand fever for 2 weeks .thank goodness a cure is only a week away GOOD LUCK TO ALL ROSS

Opener...Good luck everyone

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Posted by Kern on September 24, 2000 at 15:22:08:

Good Luck to everyone tomorrow and next week for deer.

Kern

Re: Gun Registration: New numbers published!

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Posted by Kern on September 24, 2000 at 15:09:29:

In Reply to: Gun Registration: New numbers published! posted by West on September 23, 2000 at 10:42:07:

Sounds like most people are going to wait to the last min or maybe they think a new Govt will reverse the law!! Maybe but I doubt it very much. How many people were against the GST?? Alot more voters than there are gun owners Im betting. The Libs even promised to get rid of it but soon backtracked when they saw the revenue it was generating.

I think come Jan 1, alot of people are going to wake up as "criminals"

Im just curious...how many of you would accept these laws if they included a zero tolerance for criminals that used guns. Stiffer jail time and fines. And automatic death penalty for certain crimes commited with guns? At least if they were to implement some of the above, the focus would be on crime deterence and punishment rather than the trouble they are imposing on law abiding sportsman.

Re: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by todd on September 24, 2000 at 11:58:33:

In Reply to: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&* posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:09:20:

It may help your situation greatly if you are able to go hunting with a buddy, and not bring your gun. ie. go to train your dog. Quite often a dog will realize that different "rules" apply to different situations, and act accordingly. If you are to busy hunting to bust him every time he slips up, he will soon begin to associate hunting with something that is more fun than structured.

todd.

PS kinda new to the area (big smoke), so if you've got a good spot and would like some one to ....... :)

Re: Browning A-5 FOR SALE

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Posted by blackwolf on September 24, 2000 at 07:33:57:

In Reply to: Re: Browning A-5 FOR SALE posted by DH on September 23, 2000 at 09:54:25:

The A-5 is a great shotgun,and I preffer it to my 1187,just for your information, but the belgium barrel will not handle steel shot.The sollution is to buy another barrel or to modify the choke system.There is a gun shop in clinton, ont that will cut the choke off and put on another choke. I did that to my A-5 a couple of years ago, and it did the trick, it cost under a hundred bucks and it takes a couple of days. Browning will void the warrenty on the barrel but the A-5 belgium was made in the 50's so I didn't think it mattered that much.

Re: Gun Registration: New numbers published!

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Posted by blackwolf on September 24, 2000 at 07:15:51:

In Reply to: Gun Registration: New numbers published! posted by West on September 23, 2000 at 10:42:07:

I don't think that anyone I've talked with in the last few years is in favor of the new gun laws.As I've mentioned before, the laws are taken directly from Hitlers archives and are designed for the same purpose that Hitler had.If you don't beleive that, check it out,it will scare you.I was under the impression that we would not have to registar untill 2002? The good thing is that there will be an election in a few months.The canadian Alliance party seems dead set on getting rid of the gun laws and writting somthing better, I'm sure that if there is 7 million gun owners in Canada, and we all vote,maybe we can change things but we have to excercise our franchize. Just my opinion.......

Re: early goose limit

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Posted by Alain on September 24, 2000 at 07:14:09:

In Reply to: Re: early goose limit posted by Alain on September 24, 2000 at 07:05:06:

p.s. Congrats on your shoot sounds like a blast!!!

Re: early goose limit

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Posted by Alain on September 24, 2000 at 07:05:06:

In Reply to: early goose limit posted by Matt Ward on September 23, 2000 at 11:43:07:

Not very good at this end ( South of Ottawa).Went out friday and saturday. Friday was O.k. but Saturday for some reason they were not moving. I don't know if the cloud cover had something to do with it,!!Oh well looking forward to Oct.23 for the reopening.

Hunting SEASON

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Posted by Matt on September 24, 2000 at 00:52:38:

My God, DUCK SEASON opens in 2 days! ARCHERY in another week! Where has the past year gone? I live for these next few months... Best wishes of luck to all the other Sportsmen in here.

Re: FISHING BOARD?????

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Posted by Bob Iz Jr on September 23, 2000 at 21:08:52:

In Reply to: FISHING BOARD????? posted by PISCATOR on August 29, 2000 at 06:10:41:

I would like info sent to my email regarding a fishing spot report. Thanks

early goose limit

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Posted by Matt Ward on September 23, 2000 at 11:43:07:

On Thursday we shot a 4 person 8 bird limit of 32 geese. It all started about 7:00 and we were finished at 8:00. I shot 2 doubles and my first tripple ever. I will post the pictures later. How have you guys done.

Matt

Gun Registration: New numbers published!

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Posted by West on September 23, 2000 at 10:42:07:

Hey Guys,

Just finished an interesting article in the Saturday Star. By the looks of it the licensing program is failing miserably as expected. The article states that "even if the current rate of applications sent in doubles, the feds will fall short of their attempt to register an estimated 3 million gun owners in Canada." I guess it's become painfully obvious that most will either refuse to comply or deluge the system in the final days. This little excercise in futility is costing us as tax payers millions of dollars. How in the world come January 1st will the feds with local cops search the homes of the million people who will probably not register. As we draw closer to the deadline the stupidity of this program will become more and more apparent. How will the feds fix it ? probably by throwing more of our money at it. I am just attempting to highlight the shortfalls of this pathetic waste of time and money. Will a registered weapon be renedered useless in the commission of a crime: NO! That is what they fail to realize. A bat, knife and even a pencil is a weapon in the hands of the wrong person. I just thought I'd share my thoughts.......

Regards, WEST

Re: Browning A-5 FOR SALE

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Posted by DH on September 23, 2000 at 09:54:25:

In Reply to: Re: Browning A-5 FOR SALE posted by doug on September 22, 2000 at 22:30:59:

It is a 3" Belgium made 30" barrel witha vent rib. any more question are welcome. thanks DH

waterfowl report

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Posted by Shooter on September 23, 2000 at 09:33:04:

Year 2000 waterfowl surveys from the US Fish and Wildlife and the Canadian Wildlife service suggest that waterfowl numbers should be nearly as good as in past recent years. Total north American waterfowl numbers indicate about 42 million birds which is down slightly from 1999 estimates. Surveys suggest that year 2000 Mallards are down 12 %, Pintails are down 33%, Bluebills down 25% while Bluewing Teal, Canvasbacks and Widgeon all remain nearly the same as in 1999. The best news comes from Greenwing Teal numbers which seem to be up 21%, Redheads up 50% and Gadwalls up an astonishing 100%.

Many factors influence north American waterfowl numbers on any given year. They include rainfall, ground water levels, ground and air temperatures, severity of winters and late spring storms just to mention a few. Canada and the US recorded one of its warmest winters on record last year. As well, many parts of north America were hit with early droughts at times when waterfowl most needed potholes to be filled for brood rearing. Those same areas seemed to get late spring rains which benefited species such as Gadwall that tend to get to the nesting areas later than species such as Mallards and Pintails. some northern areas received so much late rain that creeks and sloughs swelled flooding out and drowning nests and new hatches.

My suggestions that Mallard numbers are down should certainly and by no means send up any red flares or cause early morning coffee shop concerns that hunting will not be at a premium again this fall. We must remember that last year was a recorded all time record high number of mallards in north America and in year 2000, the mallard still remains 27% ABOVE the 45 year (1955- 99) average!

Looking at logistics closer to home in Ontario we can find that this province had a better year for waterfowl production than last. The main reason was due to the fact that spring water levels were higher that last year resulting in more nesting areas. Some late spring storms decimated the east but the damage was not widespread.

Geese offer differing results to ducks. Conditions in the high arctic and Atlantic flyway resulted in poor brood numbers. Yet high levels of geese in the north suggest that Mississippi and Atlantic flyways should see similar goose numbers to that of last year. Snow geese continue to explode in the west and central flyways resulting in extended harvest levels in those areas. Closer to home, southern Ontario continues to produce giant Canada geese at alarming rates in some areas. Giant resident Canada's are quickly and continually becoming nuisances in many areas such as parklands, golf courses and similar "safe" areas. Waterfowl unit in and around lake St.. Clair seen early shooting opportunities in order to reduce the total goose numbers and areas north and east of St. Clair will see winter hunting opportunities in January and February 2001.

So the overall SW Ontario waterfowl picture is still a rosy one. These are definitely "the best of times"! Warm falls result in late season migrations often limiting hunting opportunities, but the bird numbers are very healthy and local populations are at its best ever. Expect as good a fall flight as last year and pray for early cold weather. Shoot your steel shot with confidence!

Shooter (reprinted with permission)

sorry

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Posted by Shooter on September 23, 2000 at 09:31:40:

In Reply to: Guns for sale posted by David on September 22, 2000 at 20:42:07:

have been packing up for moose camp, am answering your email as i speak. will return from camp on oct 7

shooter

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by Wes on September 23, 2000 at 05:59:58:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by Wes on September 21, 2000 at 17:30:30:

Each person makes their own decision. I am trying to emphasise that people should not get caught up in a bunch of hype and forget the consequences of their decision. Keep in mind that what is being advocated in some instances is that people disobey the Criminal law systm. It is the local police and courts they deal with. The law has been on the books since 1995- in effect since 1998. Many judges may very well look at the time, the advertisement etc and decide that people have had adequate time to get a licence and should not have left it tothe last minute. (If I wait until Dec 31 to renew my fishing licence, I should not complain if I get charged on Jan 1 for fishing without a licence just because it wasn't issued ovenight) Think about the decision and weight the consequences, after that- do what you think best and don't complain if thinks backfire. But do not be mislead by sometimes self-serving rantings that can be very misleading. Be sure the decision is yours, not just a case of following someone else.

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by Ann on September 23, 2000 at 01:51:43:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by Wes on September 21, 2000 at 17:30:30:

Was. I am not a hunter but my son is going through all the paper works we are a low income family my son has been working hard to get all the money he needs to get his licence,then he must buy his rifle shotgun plus supplies etc, As Hunters i think you must STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND FIGHT THIS maybe some day you will have a son, or a grandchilden that has to go throught all this crap. It all most seams that you have to be rich to hunt now.. Go take a look at www.lufa.ca before you decide.. If not for you think of the newer hunters or shooters coming up..

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by mike on September 23, 2000 at 01:44:38:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by Wes on September 21, 2000 at 17:30:30:

Join the Cause and stand up for your rights. www.lufa.ca Go there and take a look. As Hunters we must make a Stand now...

Re: Careful Guys

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Posted by Tackleberry on September 22, 2000 at 22:42:35:

In Reply to: Re: Careful Guys posted by Tech029 on September 21, 2000 at 09:50:00:

Ya!, ...... and a little wobble shouldn't hurt, Right??????

Re: Who's looking forward to archrey season :)

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Posted by HARVIE on September 22, 2000 at 22:34:13:

In Reply to: Who's looking forward to archrey season :) posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:49:24:

Plan on spending time in zone 70 for Thanksgiving weekend, and Oct 30 to Nov. 6 in zone 65. This is the problem living in TO, I have to travel in order to hunt. Good luck.

Re: Browning A-5 FOR SALE

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Posted by doug on September 22, 2000 at 22:30:59:

In Reply to: Browning A-5 FOR SALE posted by DH on September 22, 2000 at 18:27:49:

What are the serial numbers, 2 3/4 or 3 inch, vent rib? what length barrel without, without any info hows 250$?

Re: Want to Buy rifle

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Posted by ROB S on September 22, 2000 at 22:01:11:

In Reply to: Want to Buy rifle posted by Stephen on September 22, 2000 at 16:35:18:

whats wrong with a bolt ?

Re: Who's looking forward to archrey season :)

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Posted by rob s on September 22, 2000 at 21:56:48:

In Reply to: Re: Who's looking forward to archrey season :) posted by Kern on September 21, 2000 at 23:32:24:

Oct 1 6 am be there or be square. seriously becarefull you guys buck fever in a tree stand can kill you !GOOD LUCK!

Guns for sale

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Posted by David on September 22, 2000 at 20:42:07:

I'm looking for the "Shooter" There was a posting of guns for sale on Sept 6th, I am interested in one. I did send an email but no response. Are you out there?

Browning A-5 FOR SALE

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Posted by DH on September 22, 2000 at 18:27:49:

Browing A-5 for sale older model in great shape, hardly used. Make me an offer or E-mail me with any questions. Thanks DH. a.k.a Duck Hunter

Re: Ask the MNR?

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Posted by bob on September 22, 2000 at 17:45:32:

In Reply to: Ask the MNR? posted by Rob on September 22, 2000 at 15:21:23:

http://dragon.zoo.utoronto.ca/askMNR/mnrfaqgame.html Takes you to #63

Re: moose

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Posted by Nimrod on September 22, 2000 at 17:10:31:

In Reply to: Re: moose posted by George on September 19, 2000 at 08:29:35:

Hunting pressure, I understand, is noticeable during the early season, but I have always gone in November, and rarely have we even seen any other hunters. We have seen signs of other hunters, usually the remains of a hunt camp from earlier in the season.

The local pulp and paper mill in Kenora (used to be called Stone Consolidated, but I think the name has changed now) OWNS the roads up there, so be careful of speeding logging trucks. They also put out a map every year that shows the active logging areas (no hunting). There is a store in Kenora, I think it's called Sunrise or Sunset Convenience, that sells these maps. You might call the mill's Woodland Manager @ 807-467-3049 (main number 467-3000) to get the proper name of the store. You should definitely pick up a current map, and maybe ones for the last couple of years as well to show older cuts that are starting to grow in.

There are lots of clearcuts, but you won't find too many moose right there, unless it's an older cut.

Want to Buy rifle

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Posted by Stephen on September 22, 2000 at 16:35:18:

I'm looking for a rifle for a new member of our moose party.

Looking for a 30-06 or .308 in semi, pump or lever, he does not want a bolt.

In Toronto area, please email if you have one you are willing to part with. Please provide details and asking price.

thanks

Ask the MNR?

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Posted by Rob on September 22, 2000 at 15:21:23:

I asked the MNR a question last week...no response.

Question 45 is still the latest...What gives?

Early Ducks, Small bears

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Posted by Leon on September 22, 2000 at 14:11:02:

All,

My first year hunting in ON. I went north of Nipising (north of Sturgeon Falls) for ducks opener. Only few local ducks were around and hunters scared most of them shi_less. They may be even got a couple ;-) in the process of blasting the sky.

I saw a few grouse and I think woodcock before the season opened. I group of US bear hunters staying the same place I was got 2 bears. I mean, this bears were half my size ;-(

I am not too much of a trophy hunter, but I wouldn't shoot a bear this size... do you people have bigger bears in ON? I have my friend coming next year for a hunt I have to start planning where I take him.

BTW, he just got a pretty big brown bear back in Russia. They hunt oat fields at night with night vision scopes - it's legal there, but this year one guide in that area was killed by the customer from a tree stand. And last year another 'hunter' shot at the guide me and my body are hunting with, luckily he missed from about 70 yards.

Could somebody tell me when appx migrating ducks will start to appear in area closer to Toronto?

And some advise on where to go for grouse wouldn't heart either.

Regards, Leon

Re: It's sold.

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Posted by Fischer on September 22, 2000 at 09:34:38:

In Reply to: Re: Guns for sale posted by Xvunuthut on September 19, 2000 at 03:45:47:

NM

Re: Who's looking forward to archrey season :)

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Posted by TDC on September 22, 2000 at 09:31:48:

In Reply to: Who's looking forward to archrey season :) posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:49:24:

Ready to go . Put my permanent stands up last Sunday and pulled my climber out of the garage to air out a bit before use. At least the opener is on a weekend (Oct.1) so I don't have to phone in sick at work again..........TDC

Odd-balls

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Posted by Fischer on September 22, 2000 at 09:13:35:

Was out to the club last night to try out my buddy's new .338-06. Cool. He re-barreled a Pre-64 Model 70. Once he gets a load worked up for it, it should be a real nice shooter and he plans to take it deer hunting this year.

Interesting thing with the barrel. Apparently it came off the rifle that was used to shoot the World Record prairie dog distance shot. 1765 Yds. or so. Almost a mile and an eighth!

Anybody else out there got any odd-balls?

Re: .44 Ruger Carbine

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Posted by Dave on September 22, 2000 at 07:29:49:

In Reply to: .44 Ruger Carbine posted by Mike on August 10, 2000 at 05:49:11:

Check the gun shows. I have seen them there. Lindsay Ont. Oct.22 2000

Re: Who's looking forward to archrey season :)

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Posted by Kern on September 21, 2000 at 23:32:24:

In Reply to: Who's looking forward to archrey season :) posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:49:24:

Hi Glenn, This will be my first time out with a bow as well. Im using an Excalibur Exomag crossbow with wasp jak hammer 100gr. broad heads. I have a doe tag for zone 73 and will be out on the 1st.

Good Luck

Kern

sorry about the typo - it is ARCHERY not archrey

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Posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:52:41:

In Reply to: Who's looking forward to archrey season :) posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:49:24:

Who's looking forward to archrey season :)

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Posted by glenn on September 21, 2000 at 22:49:24:

I'm really looking forward to my first archery season. I've got my PSE bow and Satellite Titan broadheads ready to rumble come October 15. I'm hunting in 63A (with an antlerless permit), even though I'm going to school in Guelph. Hopefully I'll be able to take some extended weekends in pursuit of three nice bucks that reside in the general area I am hunting. Who else is anticipating the opener? P.S - If there are any fellow archers in the Guelph area who would like to practice some shooting, drop me an e-mail.

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by Wes on September 21, 2000 at 17:30:30:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by Ann on September 21, 2000 at 10:34:29:

Let me see!! My choices are -

(1) hold out until the last minute and pay $60.00 for a licence and run the risk of not having it and getting caught. If I get caught, I run the risk of getting charged. If I get charged, I run the risk of getting convicted, or I might get off with the help of the high priced lawyer that I hire and pay for. If I get convicted, I can lose my 6 guns and have to wait 5 years before I can get another licence, then buy some more guns and pay the $25.00 transfer fee for each one on top of the cost of the guns and the sales tax and GST. If I go to court, there will be the crown attorney and the police and the judge and my lawyer and the court officials, all paid by the province or the municipality - no feds. Of course, I might not get caught and then I can boast how I really showed them, I didn't get my licence on time. I can revel in the delight that they are really upset in Ottawa and probably will not be able to sleep and go off work on stress leave. Now - that is choice number one -- or--

(2) - I can pay $10.00 and get a POL that will last me for nearly 6 years, and I can freely use my guns, buy ammo, borrow guns and not worry.

Tough choice when I think about it

Re: firearms license

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Posted by Harry Sy on September 21, 2000 at 17:25:42:

In Reply to: firearms license posted by Kevin on September 19, 1999 at 11:42:22:

please can you tell me how I could get a gun license in toronto scraborough please contact me at (416) 298-9491

Re: firearms license

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Posted by Harry Sy on September 21, 2000 at 17:23:19:

In Reply to: firearms license posted by Kevin on September 19, 1999 at 11:42:22:

Re: MNR and my rights.

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Posted by Harry Sy on September 21, 2000 at 17:19:06:

In Reply to: MNR and my rights. posted by Gino on September 14, 1999 at 22:17:58:

winchester partition gold

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Posted by chessy on September 21, 2000 at 16:46:49:

just came back from longs guns in cobourg he just recived 10 cases of them he also droped the price some they are under 16 a box now good luck and i will let you know how they shoot

Good hunting around lake Scugog??

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Posted by Lou on September 21, 2000 at 14:43:59:

Anyone know where the best places to hunt duck around lake Scugog are? Is Nonquon any good? Scugog island? Any info would be helpful for the opener...

Top notch info as usual!

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Posted by Braden on September 21, 2000 at 13:16:59:

In Reply to: Re: Att: Shooter, re: Rondeau opener! posted by Shooter on September 21, 2000 at 05:01:26:

I appreciate your assistance, great info and it will help a lot. Good luck in camp, I hope you are succesful. I look forward to hooking up sometime in the near future. I will likely be down in late Oct, for some diver/;puddler shooting. I am not sure when the trailer closes for the season, but I'll likely shoot the last weekend. We are in wildwood, about 8 minutes from the park. Talk to you soon.

Braden

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by Ann on September 21, 2000 at 10:34:29:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by Steve Redgwell on September 21, 2000 at 10:19:53:

I am not a hunt myself but i have a 13 year old boy that is going for his hunting licence you should see all the forms he has filled out plus what he has to do to get his licence. I hope as Hunters You Stand up For Your Rights. here a 13 year old Boy that wants to hunt and has work hard to just to get the money for the test and the PAL. Now he has to go buy a Rifle and a Shotgun..It almost like Hunting is getting that you have to have Money to Hunt. I Hope you Hunters Win Out......I am on your side..

303 Reloading/Cartridge Forum Change

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on September 21, 2000 at 10:22:36:

For those of you that bookmarked the 303 Cartridge Forum, there has been a restructure...already. Here's the corrected URL. None of the Hotboards forums will be 100% until all the modifications are made. http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=303british.com

Safe Shooting!

Steve Redgwell

www.303british.com

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on September 21, 2000 at 10:19:53:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by mike on September 21, 2000 at 10:09:22:

I'm waiting until the end. I joined LUFA and will continue to follow the advise of DT and the NFA.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.com

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by mike on September 21, 2000 at 10:09:22:

In Reply to: Re: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by bob on September 21, 2000 at 06:32:47:

I am waiting right to the END..

Re: Careful Guys

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Posted by Tech029 on September 21, 2000 at 09:50:00:

In Reply to: Re: Careful Guys posted by Kern on September 20, 2000 at 09:01:37:

Tack, THANKS for clarifying for NTTB that the square peg does not go in the round hole......wait a minute!! If the square peg is small enough and the round hole is big enough...humm...yah, that will work!

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by Kern on September 21, 2000 at 08:11:45:

In Reply to: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by West on September 21, 2000 at 00:01:43:

Sorry guys...I broke down and went for the discount. I also took the easy route and went for a POL.

Kern

Re: POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by bob on September 21, 2000 at 06:32:47:

In Reply to: POL and PAL- General Questions? posted by West on September 21, 2000 at 00:01:43:

I'm waiting, till the end.

Re: Att: Shooter, re: Rondeau opener!

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Posted by Shooter on September 21, 2000 at 05:01:26:

In Reply to: Att: Shooter, re: Rondeau opener! posted by Braden on September 20, 2000 at 22:34:11:

Braden: good to hear from you. Rondeau is looking good for the early season. there was a respectable number of broods raised in the marsh and on the bay. this should allow for some decent gunning until the northerns start moving in late october. teal and woodies are plentiful.

in the past, A and B zone permits were open for sale on the saturday prior the opener. this year should have been the 16th, possibly the 23rd.

i only say possibly because i havent been in contact with anyone in the association or unit all summer. i start hunting there after the moose camps are done... mid october. i have never shot there on opening day.

the association does have a website (http://netvine.com/hp/rbwa.htm) but i see it is last years stats and many of the links are broken. so things may have changed for 2000, but it is unlikely that any major changes would be seen.

as far as i know all do not have to be present for the draw, but here is a couple phone numbers that you should check into before making plans

Rondeau Bay Waterfowlers Association

Tom Bushey: 519 351 1317

Percy Pickering: 519 678 3422

Rondeau Provincial Park

519 674 1750

sorry i couldnt give you details, i just dont know them. above members definitely can help

Shooter:

PS: if we hook up during the season, i have a bunch of OOD back issues for u. I will be in moose camp sept 25 till oct 6

POL and PAL- General Questions?

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Posted by West on September 21, 2000 at 00:01:43:

Hey Guys,

Wondering if anyone has access to the numbers of applications that have been processed. Are people still planning to overload the system come Nov nd Dec. What I find hard to believe is that the feds will sent jackbooters out to all the homes of people who are still awaiting the processing of their application. I guarantee that as a result of the backlog and lack of public compliance the feds will be forced to postpone the deadline. Why do you think they dropped the price on the POL to 10$ and made it a one page format. This fiasco is costing them a fortune and has no support from the general public or law enforcement agencies. It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. Have any of you seen the latest commercial with the two morons in the coffee shop- How pathetic!! Do they really think that every joe-blow with a 30 year old long gun hidden in their basement will comply- good luck!! My .02 on the matter,

WEST

Pembroke area ducks

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Posted by Dave on September 20, 2000 at 22:48:30:

Just wondering if anyone in the pembroke area go out for ducks today on the opener? I'm coming home this weekend and am looking for a good spot

Another link

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Posted by Kevin on September 20, 2000 at 22:43:03:

In Reply to: ROAD MAPS posted by LARRY on September 20, 2000 at 21:09:05:

Click on a square for the map you want... The Map

Att: Shooter, re: Rondeau opener!

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Posted by Braden on September 20, 2000 at 22:34:11:

Hi Hoping you can hit me up with some info re: the bay. I have six guys planning on going out and we are thinking of hunting the opener. Will there be anyone around to sell a B-zone permit on Sunday the 24th? Or will I have to come out on saturday? Also, can I purchase b-zone permits for hunters not present as long as I have their migratory and hunting license#'s?? How are things shaping up? Also, do I have to have hunters present for the draw on saturday, or can I enter my guys with just there names and license #'s only?? Would appreciate the info. How are things shaping up?? Regards,

Braden

Try this link

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Posted by Kevin on September 20, 2000 at 22:27:21:

In Reply to: ROAD MAPS posted by LARRY on September 20, 2000 at 21:09:05:

Topo Maps

ROAD MAPS

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Posted by LARRY on September 20, 2000 at 21:09:05:

Hi, my group and I finaly got a moose tag but it is in WMU 21a. there are four of us and it is our first time in this area. We have never been there and were going to head for Marathon. Does any one have any suggestions on where to go up there? Where can we get a map that shows some of the logging roads? Please Help

ROAD MAPS

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Posted by LARRY on September 20, 2000 at 21:07:29:

Hi, my group and I finaly got a moose tag but it is in WMU 21a. there are four of us and it is our first time in this area. We have never been there and were going to head for Marathon. Does any one have any suggestions on where to go up there? Where can we get a map that shows some of the logging roads? Please Help

ROAD MAPS

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Posted by LARRY on September 20, 2000 at 21:07:06:

Hi, my group and I finaly got a moose tag but it is in WMU 21a. there are four of us and it is our first time in this area. We have never been there and were going to head for Marathon. Does any one have any suggestions on where to go up there? Where can we get a map that shows some of the logging roads? Please Help

Winch. Experts..

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Posted by Duckbuster on September 20, 2000 at 21:07:05:

Anyone use Expert steel shot. Does anyone have any info good o bad. I am thinking of buying a few cases. Any info would be great. Or any other good shells to buy. Thanks. Duckbuster.

Re: Whats up with these shells???????

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Posted by russell on September 20, 2000 at 20:50:06:

In Reply to: Whats up with these shells??????? posted by DuckBuster on September 19, 2000 at 19:24:38:

hello duckbuster. Yes used those shells two years ago they are fine for speed simular to a winchester ,but boy are they a dirty burning shell.Get ready to clean your gun every time and when cold can foul a auto Good luck this season

second deer tag

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Posted by Steve on September 20, 2000 at 19:46:35:

Got a fax from the MNR yesterday saying that bowhunters will be able to buy a second deer tag in WMUs 78A, B, C, D, 79C & D.

Conditions: Cough up another $31 and you must have applied for an antlerless tag or controlled hunt for one of those WMUs. Extra tag is for archery only and in 78A & B, the extra tag is for antlered deer - in the others it's for either. Tags are available only in the Aurora MNR office or downton in the McDonald block. Phone Aurora for more info. I got my doe tag in WMU73 so I'm out on this one.

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by Andy on September 20, 2000 at 15:20:55:

In Reply to: New Winchester Slugs posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

Bought 6 boxes mail order from LeBaron. Been reading about them for several months and expect a shortgae based on the hype. Recently bought a B-Square scope mount and 1.5-6X scope for my Remington 870. Hope that their claims are borne out by my own testing to occur in the next couple of weeks. Had to pass on several deer @ 125-175 yds last year. If I can consistently make good groupings at that distance at the range, I will perhaps try it on live game as the opportunity presents itself.

Re: registration

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Posted by Fischer on September 20, 2000 at 14:31:15:

In Reply to: registration posted by friend on September 20, 2000 at 13:53:54:

Remember, though, you're not required to register your firearms until Dec. 31, 2002. You, yourself have to have a valid FAC, PAL or POL by Dec. 31, 2000.

registration

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Posted by friend on September 20, 2000 at 13:53:54:

If you like so many others and are waiting for dec 31 before you register and are concerned about the implications of not being registered. What you have to do is send the application as registered mail. if you have a record that the application was submitted prior to the dead line and it has not been processed by the firearms dept there should be less hassle then sending it regular mail. The registration is proof that you have submitted you application in a timely manner

Re: Today's Toronto Sun Editorial - Excellent!!

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Posted by Kevin on September 20, 2000 at 12:58:11:

In Reply to: Today's Toronto Sun Editorial - Excellent!! posted by Fischer on September 20, 2000 at 08:03:05:

If they ever crack down on organized crime it will be the end of the federal liberals.

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Screemin Reel on September 20, 2000 at 11:16:04:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting with a Ross posted by Fischer on September 19, 2000 at 13:02:20:

According to Janes Guns recognition guide,the Ross rifle could be deadly.I quote directly....The Ross uses a straight-pull bolt;the handle draws on a sleeve,inside which is the actual bolt head unit,and the movement of the sleeve first rotates the bolt to unlock and then draws it back.It is a potentially dangerous weapon,since if the bolt is stripped and then reassembled wrongly it closes without locking,and firing the weapon can be FATAL.If the bolt appears to close easily,it is probably wrong.The Ross was employed by the Canadian Army until 1915,when the mud of Flanders defeated the bolt by causing difficult extraction,but the rifles were put in reserve and many were sent to Britain in 1940 for use by the Home Guard....Hope this helps....Mike

Re: 20 gauge rifled choke tube

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Posted by Eric on September 20, 2000 at 09:37:22:

In Reply to: 20 gauge rifled choke tube posted by Dave on September 20, 2000 at 08:02:59:

Dave,

Both Hastings & Cation offer extended, rifled choke tubes, but as far as I know, only Cation manufactures one in 20 ga. I've been looking around for a while to find an aftermarket replacement for a Rem. 12 ga (not too happy with the factory choke so far) & this is all I've managed to come up with. If anyone has had any experience (good or bad) I'd love to hear about it.

Hastings Barrels

Cation Rifled Chokes

Re: Moose hunting

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Posted by Jesse on September 20, 2000 at 09:35:35:

In Reply to: Re: Moose hunting posted by Mark Gillespie on September 19, 2000 at 23:38:59:

I am hunting out of Holinshead Outfiters, there is four of us, and we have 2 Bull tags. Sounds like there are alot of moose!

Re: Careful Guys

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Posted by Kern on September 20, 2000 at 09:01:37:

In Reply to: Careful Guys posted by Tackleberry on September 20, 2000 at 07:33:48:

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Kern

Today's Toronto Sun Editorial - Excellent!!

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Posted by Fischer on September 20, 2000 at 08:03:05:

Here it is: http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoSun/editorial.html

A modest proposal Prime Minister, we're here to help. We realize, from your point of view, it would be wrong to make it illegal to become a member of a criminal organization in Canada. Such as a biker gang.

As you noted yesterday, it would be wrong to pass such a law and then use the Constitution's notwithstanding clause to protect it from a Charter challenge as a violation of freedom of association.

Of course, we might suggest that with more than 150 people having been murdered in Quebec over the past six years as a result of a vicious turf/drug war between rival biker gangs and other members of organized crime now about to spread into Ontario, that it might be time for a little drastic action.

But hey, we see your point and the point of every other civil libertarian in the country who has gone berserk ever since Quebec Public Security Minister Serge Menard suggested the idea after Le Journal de Montreal reporter Michel Auger almost died after he was shot in the back five times in broad daylight last week - a day after his latest expose on organized crime in that province.

Besides, who cares if both Menard and Ontario Attorney General Jim Flaherty say you've dropped the ball on fighting organized crime? So we have a modest proposal for you, built upon the brilliant, inescapable logic of your very own Firearms Act. Ready? Here goes.

Let's register and license members of biker gangs, et al. - just like you're registering and licensing rifles these days.

All every law-abiding member of a designated biker gang or similar organization will have to do is register with the government.

You know, do the sort of stuff you're now requiring hunters and farmers to do if they own rifles - photo ID them, fill out lots of forms stating where they live, answer questions about their personal background, mental state, etc. Why, you could even charge a fee.

And wouldn't it be great to have government bureaucrats devoted to chasing down bikers who are reluctant to register, just as they're now doing with gun owners? Then your bureaucrats would get to know what wonderful people bike gang members are.

Indeed, as you Liberals always remind us, just as the police would like to know how many guns are registered in a house when they answer a domestic call, we're sure they'd also like to know how many bikers are registered in the house as well. Especially in Quebec.

Prime Minister, we license cars, don't we? Why not biker gangs?

20 gauge rifled choke tube

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Posted by Dave on September 20, 2000 at 08:02:59:

Does anyone know of a company that manufactures 20 gauge rifled choke tubes? My 12 year old daughter has an Ithica Featherlight and the barrel is threaded for a WinChoke Sysytem. She uses it for turkeys and with a rifled choke tube we could use it for deer. Also has anyone tried 20 gauge buckshot for deer? All her shots would be 25 yards or less. Thanks for any help.

Savage rifles

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Posted by terminator on September 20, 2000 at 07:43:43:

Who sells savage rifles in southern Ontario?

Careful Guys

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Posted by Tackleberry on September 20, 2000 at 07:33:48:

In Reply to: Re: WRONG WRONG WRONG posted by Dave on September 19, 2000 at 23:15:33:

OK fellas,..... My first suggestion to anyone that asks about the legislation change is ..."get a copy for our self".

That said, to answer the question first posted..... A POL will only be issued to a person who has firearms in their legal possession. They would have been aquired prior to the "Firearms Act" coming into force. Yes, they ask if you have had an FAC prior, and there will be a record, dusty and on faded paper but there will be one to confirm it. When one applies for a POL they "must" register at least one firearm at that time.

Regarding "borrowing with a POL", this clause is in place for a person to legally have in their possession a specific class of firearms, and borrow somebody elses firearm of the same class. ..... Ok I'll expand to save 300 more postings.... There are "Three Major Classifications of Firearms" as far as Canadian Law is concerned. (talk to somebody outside this country and they will think you're smoking something funny)

1/ Non-restricted Firearms - common sporting firearms, long guns- rifles , shotguns 2/ Restricted Firearms - handguns, and sellected long guns via "Order In Council" ( "because WE say so!!!") Can Have Them With Proper Reason & Licencing 3/ Prohibited Firearms - sellected "grandfathered" firearms, full-autos (which are grandfathered)("beacuse WE say so!!!") Can't Have Them

SO!! if you want to "borrow" a friends firearm you must have the same class of licence, or higher. They only issue one licence, so if you have a Restricted Licence that allows Possession of Non-restricted as well.

As for the "Bush Cops" comment. Yes the CO's are "Provincial Enforcement" and employed by the Province BUT!!!!! they are also Peace Officers under the Criminal Code, and ARE TO ENFORCE that code. The Firearms Act has been attached to the Code.(thus criminal charges for non-compliance) My suggestion is don't challenge them on that because I AM SURE you will loose. For clarification , .... I am a Peace Officer.

After all, any encounters I have had with CO's during large game season they all had an OPP with them, and we all know why.....

Stay Safe , Shoot Straight Tack

Knight rifle for sale

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Posted by lazyarcher on September 20, 2000 at 06:15:18:

Knight BK92 50 cal. blackpowder rifle with 3-9X Tasco World class scope. Rifle has conversion to musket caps, plus origional #11 cap system. Comes with accessories. In excellent condition. $400. Email me at lazyarcher@sympatico.ca, or call 519-668-3153. Thanks-Dave

Re: Moose hunting

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Posted by Mark Gillespie on September 19, 2000 at 23:38:59:

In Reply to: Moose hunting posted by Jesse on September 19, 2000 at 10:33:26:

Where are you hunting Jesse ?? Do you have a tag ?? Quite a few moose collisions this past summer in Northern Ontario so I have to say the population definitely isn't hurting.

Re: WRONG WRONG WRONG

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Posted by Dave on September 19, 2000 at 23:15:33:

In Reply to: Re: WRONG WRONG WRONG posted by Kern on September 19, 2000 at 20:14:27:

I believe you are right in saying you don't need the card on you. I know I don't and won't be carrying it on me.

And no need to get worked up NTTB, I'm not trying to play detective, I'm just stating that as far as the law is concerned, you can't own any guns now. I'm only 21 and I went through all this BS when I turned 18.

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by howard on September 19, 2000 at 22:53:57:

In Reply to: Re: New Winchester Slugs posted by howard on September 19, 2000 at 22:43:46:

Sorry about the multiple posts - I was having some computer trouble.

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by howard on September 19, 2000 at 22:43:46:

In Reply to: New Winchester Slugs posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

I shot a couple of boxes of Winchester Partition Gold slugs on the weekend. After waiting for the wind to die down, I was able to keep my groups to about 1" at 50 yards. I will wait for a calm day to shoot at 100 yards.[see post Aug. 16th]. As of Monday, Gagnon's in Oshawa were sold out, and Le baron's in Markham still had a case left.

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by howard on September 19, 2000 at 22:42:12:

In Reply to: New Winchester Slugs posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

I shot a couple of boxes of Winchester Partition Gold slugs on the weekend. After waiting for the wind to die down, I was able to keep my groups to about 1" at 50 yards. I will wait for a calm day to shoot at 100 yards.[see post Aug. 16th]. As of Monday, Gagnon's in Oshawa were sold out, and Le baron's in Markham still had a case left.

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by howard on September 19, 2000 at 22:40:15:

In Reply to: New Winchester Slugs posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

I shot a couple of boxes of Winchester Partition Gold slugs on the weekend. After waiting for the wind to die down, I was able to keep my groups to about 1" at 50 yards. I will wait for a calm day to shoot at 100 yards.[see post Aug. 16th]. As of Monday, Gagnon's in Oshawa were sold out, and Le baron's in Markham still had a case left.

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Rick Teal on September 19, 2000 at 20:18:59:

In Reply to: Hunting with a Ross posted by Xvunuthut on September 19, 2000 at 03:57:50:

I carried a Ross in .303 for a few days during the '60's, but never got a shot with it.

It was the smoothest and fastest bolt action I ever carried, and was very accurate as well. The problem I had was that the gun was barrel heavy, and didn't carry well. In many ways it was as unbalanced as the later (WWII) SMLE's. I would guess that one of the lighter barreled models in .303, or sporting models in .280 Ross would be a pleasure to carry and use.

Re: WRONG WRONG WRONG

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Posted by Kern on September 19, 2000 at 20:14:27:

In Reply to: WRONG WRONG WRONG posted by chessy on September 19, 2000 at 19:25:08:

Are the MNR boys going to be checking for POL/PAL's??? Im betting they dont, after all its a federal gun law and they are provincial wildlife officers. Besides, i didnt see anything stating that I had to have the card on me while I hunt?? Did I miss that part in the pubs I read???

Kern

WRONG WRONG WRONG

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Posted by chessy on September 19, 2000 at 19:25:08:

In Reply to: Re: wondering the same thing ?????????? posted by New to the Board on September 19, 2000 at 15:17:11:

seeing that you are not old enuff to leagle own the guns in the first place you need a fac or a pal to even borrow the guns you can only borrow the guns that you have had a POL FOR YOU IS NOT worth the paper it is written on so get your fac or pal that is the only way you will be able to hunt on jan 1 2001 and i would not get caught with them in the woods this year !!!!!! good luck from the nosey chessy

Whats up with these shells???????

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Posted by DuckBuster on September 19, 2000 at 19:24:38:

Has anyone ever used or heard anything on the Remington UMC steel shot. Are they a good shell or are they like the Experts hit and miss. I mean the are a good price but is there a lack of quality. Is there any other shells out there for the same price but better??? thanks guys..

gun amnesty in t.o.?

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Posted by rob on September 19, 2000 at 17:55:47:

has anyone heard if this thing is a go , I figure its a great for me to get rid of a few old dogs... rusty old cooeys, ross, mossb... all junk but to those city jerks they are going to give me $ 50.00 each i will take there (mine) money

Re: sunrise and sunset tables

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Posted by Kevin on September 19, 2000 at 17:12:22:

In Reply to: sunrise and sunset tables posted by Hitman on September 19, 2000 at 16:45:12:

Try This

sunrise and sunset tables

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Posted by Hitman on September 19, 2000 at 16:45:12:

Does anyone know where I can get sunrise/sunset times for the whole season. They are posted daily on the Weather Network site, but nothing in advance.

Thanks, Hitman

Re: wondering the same thing ??????????

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Posted by New to the Board on September 19, 2000 at 15:17:11:

In Reply to: Re: wondering the same thing ?????????? posted by Fischer on September 19, 2000 at 13:22:20:

Thank you for the advice. I do plan on taking the course (hopefully next year). I guess I will not be able to register the guns in my name until then. I appologize for my commments to the other two SOB's but they declined to even answer my question they just started acting like detectives, I did not know this site was for police wannabees.

Re: Question re: Barrel

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Posted by Kern on September 19, 2000 at 15:10:08:

In Reply to: Question re: Barrel posted by JJ on September 19, 2000 at 14:38:32:

Some time ago, vented rib was common to see on trap and skeet guns. After you get shooting for a while esp. in the summer, the heat coming off the barrel would make sighting the bird difficult. The rib helped in cooling like a heat sink and also gave you a heat wave free track to sight down. Today almost all shot guns have them.

Kern

Question re: Barrel

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Posted by JJ on September 19, 2000 at 14:38:32:

What are the advantages of a vented rib barrel? When would one use one as opposed to a regular barrel?

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Re: wondering the same thing ??????????

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Posted by Fischer on September 19, 2000 at 13:22:20:

In Reply to: Re: wondering the same thing ?????????? posted by New to the board on September 19, 2000 at 13:02:29:

NTTB, you sure know how to win friends and influence people. Don't shoot the messengers. They are only asking questions you may quite likely be asked by the CFC when you apply. I think there is a question on the app about whether you've ever had an FAC before. Whether they were handed down to you by your Grandfather and Uncle doesn't matter. You've just admitted to illegally acquiring them! FAC's have been around for 23 years. No one is supposed to be able to acquire firearms without one. (Pipe dream, I know, but if you're only 23 and have never had an FAC, it's likely you didn't acquire them legally)

You can apply for a POL (Possession Only Licence) for $10 by Oct. 15. After that I think it goes to $45.

However, the POL also allows you to borrow firearms, so it doesn't just apply to firearms you already possess. Perhaps the more appropriate thing for you to do would be to give the firearms back to your Grandpa and Uncle, and borrow them back, until you've completed the necessary training, testing and had your application for your own Possession and Acquisition Licence approved. Probably the more sensible thing to do to ensure that you are complying with the law.

In the meantime, get your POL. At $10, it'll make you legal until you get the rest done.

Re: wondering the same thing ??????????

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Posted by New to the board on September 19, 2000 at 13:02:29:

In Reply to: wondering the same thing ?????????? posted by chessy on September 18, 2000 at 21:15:49:

Thanks for being so nosey, but my guns were handed down to me by my grandfather and uncle. Both who are now out of hunting. Remember I asked a question about a possesion license. Some people have nothing better to do than playing detective. GROW UP! If anybody knows the anwser to my question it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Fischer on September 19, 2000 at 13:02:20:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting with a Ross posted by Steve Redgwell on September 19, 2000 at 12:00:57:

Right you are, Steve.

Did anyone else see the Blazer rifle at the Hunting show? Made by Beretta (I think, maybe it's Benelli), it's designed to allow a change of barrel for any caliber you want. If you can afford the cost - $5,000 for the rifle and who knows how much for each barrel.

Anyway, the rifle is a straight throw bolt action with twist-locking lugs. Same type of design as the Ross, only more advanced and (I hope) containing some safety features which would not allow it to fire if the bolt is not properly locked in.

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on September 19, 2000 at 12:00:57:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting with a Ross posted by wicket on September 19, 2000 at 06:18:48:

Now, that wasn't called for. He had a question and wants an answer. FYI, the Ross was used successfully as a hunting rifle from both military conversions and as a sporter. The issue of improper bolt assembly is documented, but has grown to mythic proportions. For a military rifle, it was a poor choice (but that's politics for you). As a hunting rifle, they did just fine. Many of the actions were modded and that would be a question that I'd put to the gun shop owner.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.com

Moose hunting

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Posted by Jesse on September 19, 2000 at 10:33:26:

I am heading up Moose Hunting for the first time, leaving on Oct. 6th Wondering on how this years hunt is looking, if there is a good crop of moose? Any info or tios would be appreciated.

Thanks

Wild Duck and Goose Chase 2000

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Posted by Matt Ende on September 19, 2000 at 10:01:02:

Anybody know if there are any public hunting spots on the South shore of Lake Ontario? I am looking for a place to shoot ducks along the stretch from Grimsby to N.o.t.Lake.

Tasco 20 X Target Scope Value?

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Posted by Fischer on September 19, 2000 at 08:35:38:

Hey, Guys,

I have a Tasco 20X Target Scope - 40 mm, I think.

I've taken it off a rifle I have, but have absolutely no idea what it might be worth. It was on the rifle when I bought it a few years ago. Works fine, just don't like it on the rifle any more.

Any ideas on what it's worth?

Anyone interested in it?

Re: moose

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Posted by George on September 19, 2000 at 08:29:35:

In Reply to: Re: moose posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 15:01:59:

I wonder how much hunting pressure these areas see and are there many clearcuts.

Re: Shooting ranges-toronto area

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Posted by rob on September 19, 2000 at 07:38:17:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting ranges-toronto area posted by Kern on September 18, 2000 at 21:32:20:

Theres a skeet range north of Pearson airport.

It's kinda strange to have both a bird and a 747 in your sights.

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by Eric on September 19, 2000 at 07:08:57:

In Reply to: New Winchester Slugs posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

It looks like Le Baron's in Markham had a bunch in stock. I bought 2 boxes last Wednesday; about $14.50 each ...can't wait to see how well they group (or not group, as the case may be).

Re: Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by wicket on September 19, 2000 at 06:18:48:

In Reply to: Hunting with a Ross posted by Xvunuthut on September 19, 2000 at 03:57:50:

The ross rifle took off more allied heads in the war when the bolt blew back than the enemy did. Unless this is a joke get yourself a modern rifle.

Hunting with a Ross

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Posted by Xvunuthut on September 19, 2000 at 03:57:50:

Has anyone here ever hunted with a ross rifle? Looking to maybe get one and want some input.

Re: Guns for sale

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Posted by Xvunuthut on September 19, 2000 at 03:45:47:

In Reply to: Guns for sale posted by Fischer on September 05, 2000 at 15:06:55:

What model is the Mk. III? ( no. 3, no. 4???) and do you dtill have it?

NEW RULES FOR THE BOARD

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Posted by Kern on September 18, 2000 at 22:13:23:

Hey Everyone, Just a heads up....in light of recent blowups over on the fishin board, a set of new rules are being implemented on the Fishing & the Hunting boards. Have a look at the Rules link at the top of the page. In the 3 years that this board has been running, we have had only one incident, so I expect it should be buisness as usual for us.

Kern

Re: Field dressing & butchering

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Posted by Kern on September 18, 2000 at 21:59:55:

In Reply to: Field dressing & butchering posted by Rob on September 18, 2000 at 15:31:15:

The regs state that the tag must be on the animal when transporting it. If you are transporting "part of a deer", you must be prepared to state:

The name of the hunter who sealed the deer.

the hunting licence number and validation tag number under which the animal was claimed.

the wmu in which it was taken.

Taken from the deer section of the 2000 regs.

Kern

Re: Field dressing & butchering

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Posted by Kirk Vetor on September 18, 2000 at 21:43:31:

In Reply to: Field dressing & butchering posted by Rob on September 18, 2000 at 15:31:15:

Good question. You should post the question on the "Ask the C.O." board.

I butcher my own deer at home, but I have already finished transporting it by then. It sounds like a great idea to butcher the deer at camp where there's more people to help. It would sure go a lot quicker. Personally, if I was going to butcher a deer before transporting it, I would save the head and hide of each animal while I was transporting them.

How do you get your deer home from the butchers? It's all cut and wrapped and you have to transport it to your house. Wouldn't that be the same as transporting a cut/wrapped deer from your camp?

Kirk

Re: Shooting ranges-toronto area

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Posted by Kern on September 18, 2000 at 21:32:20:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting ranges-toronto area posted by first timer on September 18, 2000 at 19:42:51:

I think there is one in or around Bolton.

wondering the same thing ??????????

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Posted by chessy on September 18, 2000 at 21:15:49:

In Reply to: Re: Whats a Possession License posted by Dave on September 18, 2000 at 16:09:48:

nm

Re: GUNS 4 sale

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Posted by DI on September 18, 2000 at 19:51:01:

In Reply to: GUNS 4 sale posted by Shooter on September 06, 2000 at 23:40:46:

I am interested in the Cooey 71 item 6. Please contact me and let me know how where you can be reached.

Re: Shooting ranges-toronto area

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Posted by first timer on September 18, 2000 at 19:42:51:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting ranges posted by Rob on September 18, 2000 at 17:44:04:

How about a shooting range a little closer to Toronto.... any suggestions thanks

Re: New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by chessy on September 18, 2000 at 18:28:10:

In Reply to: New Winchester Slugs posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

longs guns has them in cobourg but are they expensive 17.90 for a box of 5

Re: Shooting ranges

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Posted by Rob on September 18, 2000 at 17:44:04:

In Reply to: Shooting ranges posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:17:17:

Oshawa Skeet has a nice facility.

300 yard range, skeet, trap & sporting clays.

New Winchester Slugs

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:19:38:

I would really like to get my hands on some of the new Winchester Gold Partition 12 gauge slugs. Le Baron has them in the catalogue, and Winchester advises me that they have shipped some to Canada already, but so far I have not seen any. Help please.

Shooting ranges

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 16:17:17:

I have just moved to Ajax and am looking for a nearby shooting range that is open to the public or has reasonable membership fees. I am looking for a 100 yard range and maybe some trap/skeet/sporting clays. Thanx.

Re: Whats a Possession License

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Posted by Dave on September 18, 2000 at 16:09:48:

In Reply to: Whats a Possession License posted by New to the board on September 18, 2000 at 15:07:09:

Just out of curiousity, how did you get your guns in the first place without an FAC? FAC's came into effect long before your time I think.

Re: shot size

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 15:34:35:

In Reply to: shot size posted by hutchman on September 13, 2000 at 08:10:57:

I have to wonder whether the person who recommended #6 was talking lead and not steel.?

Field dressing & butchering

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Posted by Rob on September 18, 2000 at 15:31:15:

When we left camp last year we saw another group of hunters butchering and packaging their meat in camp. They had a real production line.

Does anyone know what the Ministry rules are regarding this.

Transportation validation etc.

How do you tag boxes of roasts?

Re: ??? scope or red dot - where to sight in?

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 15:16:18:

In Reply to: ??? scope or red dot posted by Bent arrow on September 15, 2000 at 22:44:27:

Just got a new slug gun and I have put a a red dot on it. Never had either of these before. Looking to sight it in somewhere. I live in Ajax. Any suggestions?

Re: early goose

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 15:12:53:

In Reply to: early goose posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 09:27:57:

My boss and I limited out in an hour around Waterloo. Spent the next hour shooting the breeze, collecting decoys, getting the vehicles, etc., all out in the open. Birds just kept coming and didn't care. Could have shot another 2 or 3 limits.

Whats a Possession License

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Posted by New to the board on September 18, 2000 at 15:07:09:

I will be needing a permit for my guns next year. I have not taken the FAC course and was going to take my chances. But somebody told me if I already have my guns I just need a PDC, which requires no course. I already have the guns I need, I am 23 I have never had an FAC but I do have my hunting license. Can I get a POssession license Thanks

Re: moose

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2000 at 15:01:59:

In Reply to: moose posted by George on September 18, 2000 at 08:48:23:

Yes, I have. What would you like to know?

How was opening weekend

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Posted by Wyat on September 18, 2000 at 13:23:24:

How was birdhunting this weekend. I went up by river valley for some grouse and ducks. Our gang got a few partridge and 1 solo duck. How did everybody else do?

Re: ??? scope or red dot

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Posted by Fischer on September 18, 2000 at 11:46:54:

In Reply to: Re: ??? scope or red dot posted by Rick Teal on September 16, 2000 at 18:16:33:

My boss mounted a red dot on his .308 for the same reason. Iron sights, then a peep sight just didn't do it, and he hunts heavy bush and didn't want a scope. He really likes the red dot.

It really sucks when you forget to turn it off and your battery runs out by the time you get to the hunt camp.

Always carry a spare. ;)

moose

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Posted by George on September 18, 2000 at 08:48:23:

Have any of you ever hunted moose in wmu 2 and 3. Its my first time going to this area. Could I get some advise. Thanks

Re: Mossberg 835 for sale

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Posted by Kevin on September 17, 2000 at 12:36:45:

In Reply to: Mossberg 835 for sale posted by Luke on September 17, 2000 at 11:15:51:

Hey Luke; Welcome to the board! Kevin Watson

Mossberg 835 for sale

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Posted by Luke on September 17, 2000 at 11:15:51:

I have a Ducks Unlimited edition Mossberg 835 3 1/2" pump 12 gauge for sale. It comes with a 24" and 28" vent ribbed barrel and interchangeable chokes. Also I have a 24" smoothbore slug barrel for it and comes with a DU soft case. Asking $700.00, FAC or PAL required. Call (705) 256-5508.

Re: early goose

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Posted by Matt Ward on September 17, 2000 at 10:00:03:

In Reply to: early goose posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 09:27:57:

On the fifth in 65 my Dad and I shot 4 on the St. Laurence River. When we were chasing a cripple in the boat saw three go right into the decoys, so we should of had seven. The Saterday following we only got one. And yesterday we got 4 in 64B in an alfalfa field.

Matt

Re: shot size

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Posted by wicket on September 17, 2000 at 06:37:14:

In Reply to: Re: shot size posted by hutchman on September 14, 2000 at 10:00:21:

I have been shooting steel for more than 9 years in wmu94 and have guided there as well. It has been my experience that in a 20 over decoys 3's will work just fine. In my 3"12 I shoot 1's in nearly every situation.

Re: early goose

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Posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 23:42:13:

In Reply to: Re: early goose posted by Matt on September 16, 2000 at 20:11:52:

Should have come south about 20 miles. The first day some morons shot at a flock about half a mile away and downed a goose in the feild next to the house my dog decieded to retreive it so I got my first goose of the year. Picked up my migratory the next day and went out after work for the night shoot.Three of us bagged 24 geese inless than an hour.No matter what we did they just kept comming dog in the water, yelling at the dog they just kept comming. Any how, took next day off went ou thurs across the road from my place, limited out in about half an hour, had to work calls hard though dog was an #$$%^&*.Saturday we got three geese, monday two, usually the numbers worked the other way where the last shoot we bag the most. Saw a lot of flocks flying high heading for warmer pasture took a lot to call them down but just out of range.I don't like to hunt openers where ther is a bunch of sky blasters around I make enough mistakes without anyone helping out. Shot one goose about 25yds up a little out of range for my liking bird flew for about a mile then just crumpled up, I got him in the head and in the heart, darned steel,since then the flock that has been hanging around most of the summer is prety scarce. Blackwolf

Re: early goose

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Posted by Braden on September 16, 2000 at 23:19:11:

In Reply to: Re: early goose posted by Kern on September 16, 2000 at 21:01:33:

Nope, wasn't tiny, don't hunt there, matter of fact I try to stay away from well know hunting locations. I have to beat more bush in order to find spots, but it usually works out for the better, till someone comes along and screws us. That's life I guess.

Re: early goose

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Posted by Kern on September 16, 2000 at 21:01:33:

In Reply to: Re: early goose posted by Braden on September 16, 2000 at 11:08:17:

Almost sounds like you were in Tiny marsh for the opener!! Some of those clowns also carry 5 rounds in their gun at a time!!

Re: ??? scope or red dot

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Posted by Kern on September 16, 2000 at 20:45:05:

In Reply to: Re: ??? scope or red dot posted by Rick Teal on September 16, 2000 at 18:16:33:

At one time I considered a Bushnell Holo sight for my Browning.

But since most most of my shooting is done at ducks and geese I didint bother. I would however look at using some sort of scope or sighting device on a deer gun with a rifled barrel.

Kern

Re: early goose

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Posted by Matt on September 16, 2000 at 20:11:52:

In Reply to: early goose posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 09:27:57:

I think in my area, 83A and 82B, the migrators were already getting together into the larger flocks. For the last few years the early season has been a mix of hot and dry weather, and I think these conditions had the geese scattered amongst whatever water was available to rest in. I only got out to hunt one day this year, and while we got into lots of geese throughout the day, the evening flight was non-existent. We were expecting a few flocks of the usual 10-50 birds, but we only saw a single big swarm of about 100+ birds way off in the distance. For us, the season for Canadas is now closed, and we will not shoot any more geese till Oct 16th. We will see geese in plague proportions in the first weeks of duck season, but apparently these geese are some type of goose that lives up near James Bay and for one reason or another isn't doing well enough to be killed. If I could have one wish, it would be to take a mixed bag of geese, mallards, woodies and teal on Sept. 25th, but unfortunately this won't be happening anytime soon where I hunt.

Re: ??? scope or red dot

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Posted by Rick Teal on September 16, 2000 at 18:16:33:

In Reply to: Re: ??? scope or red dot posted by Kern on September 16, 2000 at 01:17:46:

Are you talking about mounting one of these sights on a shotgun that draws double duty for deer and waterfowl?

I can't imagine using a scope for waterfowl, but a red dot would probably do all right if you keep both eyes open and don't use magnification.

For deer hunting, when the shooting is close, I can't think of a better sighting system than a red dot. I now have them mounted on three of my deer/moose rifles, and find them to be a very positive and quick sighting system.

I had to switch from open sights because of failing eyesight, and I became comfortable and confident in hunting situations again.

Re: early goose

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Posted by Kern on September 16, 2000 at 12:17:14:

In Reply to: early goose posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 09:27:57:

In 73 & 72 there were plenty of birds to be seen just prior to the opening, but they seemed to change flying habbits by opener. Not sure if that 37-38 degree weekend had anything to do with it!! The guys I was with dropped 4 on opener before I made it to the blind. Dropped a single a few days latter. Most of the fields around here still covered in crops too.

Another Ontario Site

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Posted by Kevin on September 16, 2000 at 11:28:32:

Randy`s Northern Trapline
Enjoy the tunes!

Re: early goose

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Posted by Braden on September 16, 2000 at 11:08:17:

In Reply to: early goose posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 09:27:57:

WMU 78, plenty of birds around, but they are moving in bizarre patterns. Opening day, we were in the right place at the right time, with the right decoys, and all set to slay em. Birds where coming good and prospects were great. Up until the idiots in the treeline behind us started skybusting the birds at 80 yards up. After they fouled us we couldn't get a decent range on em. I was tempted to take up pass shooter hunting. It would have been much more satisfying. After Opener, birds scattered and wised up. Hunting was difficult. This year stunk compared to last. They were pickins on the last early hunt.

Braden

early goose

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Posted by blackwolf on September 16, 2000 at 09:27:57:

Well the early goose season is here and gone at leasst in my area, mmu 85B.Is my memory not what it should be or did the geese move early this year.I still limited out a few days but I seemed to see more geese traveling on their migratory path than I have in past years.I sure would like to hear reports from you guys from diffrent mmu's.Also did anyone hunt hullet? I sure would like to hear some reports on the conditions there. THANKS Blackwolf

Re: ??? scope or red dot

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Posted by Kern on September 16, 2000 at 01:17:46:

In Reply to: ??? scope or red dot posted by Bent arrow on September 15, 2000 at 22:44:27:

People who take their wingin' seriously will tell you that you don't aim a shot gun. As you watch the bird, and shoulder the gun, the bird should be beaded before your cheek even touches the stock! ( I still aim mine) You throw a scope into the equation and now you have to find the target and then put the dot on it = Longer target acquisition.

Scope is fine for the deer/turkey set up, but you dont want one for birds.

my 2 cents Kern

??? scope or red dot

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Posted by Bent arrow on September 15, 2000 at 22:44:27:

I would like your opions on what you pefer and why, a scope or a red dot ( can a red dot be used for duck hunting )Ive been told yes but im green at this . thanks

Re: Sighting in

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Posted by TDC on September 15, 2000 at 09:49:56:

In Reply to: Sighting in posted by Rob on September 14, 2000 at 20:51:35:

Braden is right on the money on all counts. I always fire at least two foulers from my rifles before hunting. The accuracy you are getting is great for a stock gun since in my experience most guns off the shelf probably average around 1.5 inch groups...at least before bedding and floating barrel, a trigger job,and some load development. I must admit I have no experience with the Boss system.I heard it works and tames recoil but is hard on the ears.

As far as practicing from field positions,I always do this as there is no bench in the field and you have to shoot when opportunity arises. I have seen guys that just dust their guns off once a year ,some of them without them even sighted in properly, who never practice, and would be lucky to shoot minute-of-watermelon and I'm not exagerating . Therefore I make it standard practice to know what each gun will do with which load before going afield...good luck......TDC

PS...If you really want to have some fun try dirty and clean shots with your blackpowder rifle and you will be pulling your hair out..I know I was!

Re: shot size

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Posted by blackwolf on September 14, 2000 at 23:51:47:

In Reply to: Re: shot size posted by DonG on September 14, 2000 at 11:56:35:

I agree, never never never put into your firearm anything other than that which is rated on your firearm.

Re: Sighting in

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Posted by Braden on September 14, 2000 at 22:06:28:

In Reply to: Sighting in posted by Rob on September 14, 2000 at 20:51:35:

#1, your gun will have a fouled barrel after it has been sighted in. Always hunt with a fouled barrel (ie: at least 2-3 shots fired after the last cleaning) If you do so your gun will shoot to the same point of impact, if you hunt with a clean barrel your point of impact on the first and critical shot can often be off.

#2 .75 is a phenominal group for a hunting rifle, remember you are not trying to shoot the eye out of a crow at 500yds, you are trying to harvest a large game animal at probably under 300 yards.

#3 Forget the bench, start shooting from field positions, don't sit up on the dummy box and pour those rounds downrange. Shure you can shoot .75 off a bench, but unlikely to replicate those groups offhand or kneeling in the field. Shoot from different positions. After sighting in a rifle, I try to shoot from a number of different field positions, hopefully at least 20 rounds per range outing from weird positions. I have heard this preached by numerous wise old hunters, and have tried to incorporate it into my own routine, and believe it, it helps!

In any case, good luck, it sounds like you have an accurate rifle, enjoy it!

Braden

Sighting in

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Posted by Rob on September 14, 2000 at 20:51:35:

Sighting in my new model 70 3006 w boss & B&L 3000 4.5X.

1. The first shot from a clean cold barrel is a couple of inches from the groups afterward.

Question...what is the best practise. Hunting with a clean barrel or one that is just slightly fouled?

2. I end up shooting about 40 (core-loct) rounds per outing (cleaning at 20). Getting frustrated that I'll keep a .75" group for a few then tweak the boss get a .5" group once then it opens up again.

Question...In order of priority what are the major factors that affect bench rest accuracy...what should I do?

Any help is appreciated.

Re: shot size

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Posted by Kern on September 14, 2000 at 20:19:17:

In Reply to: Re: shot size posted by hutchman on September 14, 2000 at 10:00:21:

No Need to bait ducks and geese. Most times they will walk right in to a decoy spread.

Re: shot size

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Posted by DonG on September 14, 2000 at 11:56:35:

In Reply to: Re: shot size posted by blackwolf on September 13, 2000 at 22:56:00:

I know it could look like I'm being picky; and I know what it is you are trying to say when you say "the only differce between 12 gauage and 20 guage is the amount of shot"; and I know that most readers of this board understand too; BUT, if for whatever reason some inexperienced person is reading this, the amount of shot is not the only difference -- DON'T try putting 12 ga. shells in 20 ga. guns (unlikely) or 20 ga. shells in 12 ga. guns (disastrous).

Re: shot size

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Posted by blackwolf on September 14, 2000 at 11:05:39:

In Reply to: Re: shot size posted by hutchman on September 14, 2000 at 10:00:21:

NO!!!!! It falls under the baiting section of the regulations.However if you want to grow an apple tree, and a feild of beans with corn thats legal,but feeding them and waiting for hunting season, thats not hunting,remember that hunting is the strategy of scouting a place, calling the ducks down to you and setting the decoys in a pattern that is inviting to them. The killing only takes a few milliseconds and if hunting is only the killing.... BORING

Re: What should I pay for a used bow?

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Posted by Guillermo A. Quiroga on September 14, 2000 at 10:44:59:

In Reply to: What should I pay for a used bow? posted by glenn on November 20, 1999 at 23:20:59:

Sorry for my English. I need a used compound bow - 50-70 lb. - target - Hoyt Accutec 1 - Jennings or similar. Avisenm si puedo escrinrles en Espaol y Uds., lo traducen. Saludos Guillermo

Re: shot size

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Posted by hutchman on September 14, 2000 at 10:00:21:

In Reply to: shot size posted by hutchman on September 13, 2000 at 08:10:57:

Thanks for the response, like I said in my original note, I'll probably go with #6 and I'll be sure to post our results.

One other question, are we allowed to feed ponds to attrack ducks, geese before the season starts???

Re: Recoil discussion

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Posted by TDC on September 14, 2000 at 09:08:42:

In Reply to: Recoil discussion posted by Fischer on September 13, 2000 at 14:48:12:

Here is a link to a page with a recoil calculator based on weight of gun,powder,bullet weight.....just go to the page and click on recoil calculator....http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/rifleroom/sst.html

Re: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by Shooter on September 14, 2000 at 00:42:37:

In Reply to: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&* posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:09:20:

all below are right on the money as far as my past trials have seen. reward always worked very quickly for me when basic training.

2 things i learned over the years.

one: you cant keep a dog kennelled up all the time and expect him/her to listen to you when you are ready for business. i let my dogs have run of the back yard which means they are always in my face when i am in the back yard. i am constantly repeating to them, "no", "sit", "stay", "down" etc as needed when they are in my company.

two: when i hit the field or marsh, the first 20 minutes there is all the dogs... let them bust loose, run amuck, and generally have thier own way within reason. it really seems to get all the initial excitement out of thier system.

although you didnt mention that these were problems, i have found that people aften overlook these two points.

as far as electronic devices for training... never used them although i have threatened a few that i would!!! also i am too cheap to buy one.

shooter

Re: Recoil discussion

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Posted by Shooter on September 14, 2000 at 00:33:16:

In Reply to: Recoil discussion posted by Fischer on September 13, 2000 at 14:48:12:

just to add, if anyone is interested in hardcopy stuff anymore......

i have a book called American Ammunition and Ballistics written by Edward Matunas pub; winchester press.

the copyright is 1979 but is full of algebraic formulations for a numer of items including recoil. i often use it as a reference for various centerfire cartridges.

i am not sure if book is still available; maybe amazon.com... i probably bought the book decades ago as a member of the OUTDOOR LIFE book of the month club (starting to show my age now)

Shooter

Re: shot size

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Posted by blackwolf on September 13, 2000 at 22:56:00:

In Reply to: shot size posted by hutchman on September 13, 2000 at 08:10:57:

Best advice is to buy a box of each and try them out on trap.I use #2 as a general all round shot the only difference between a 12 guage and a 20 guage is the amount of shot.Remember that steel does not shoot the same as lead and you need a bigger pellet to have the same hitting power.Bring the ducks in close, about 20yds and you shouldn't have any problems.

Re: Recoil discussion

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Posted by Kern on September 13, 2000 at 21:00:09:

In Reply to: Recoil discussion posted by Fischer on September 13, 2000 at 14:48:12:

Some nice reading on that page. Thanks for re-posting the link. I think it was Kevin who first posted it for someone looking for targets.

Re: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by Jack on September 13, 2000 at 16:27:41:

In Reply to: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&* posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:09:20:

Follow Fisher's advice. He is a teenager at heart, today he will make you so prood and tomorrow will #$$%^&* you. Correct him in a timely fashion , that is immediatly, and repeativly, and wait for you student to mature.

Recoil discussion

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Posted by Fischer on September 13, 2000 at 14:48:12:

A few weeks ago, there was a question about felt recoil. Kern supplied a formula for calculating recoil. (Tx, Kern)

Since the thread was getting old, I thought I'd put up a new post. For some interesting reading on recoil and calculations, check out Varmint Al's website here:

http://www.cctrap.com/~varmint/ashot.htm#Download_Targets

Look for "Understanding Recoil"

BTW, I got that link from an earlier post here. Neat site. Thanks to whoever posted it.

Re: shot size

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Posted by Kern on September 13, 2000 at 12:47:31:

In Reply to: shot size posted by hutchman on September 13, 2000 at 08:10:57:

With a 20ga, since your only throwing about 3/4 oz of shot(2.75 inch load), you want to make sure your pattern is good. I suspect the owner of the gun knows that it patterns well in #6 or else he wouldnt have recommended it. Given the choice, I'ld use the larger shot myself.

Good luck Kern

Re: shot size

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Posted by DonG on September 13, 2000 at 10:19:51:

In Reply to: Re: shot size posted by Matt on September 13, 2000 at 09:28:18:

I hope this doesn't need to be said, but just in case it does -- make sure that the gun takes 3".

Re: oops... sorry I gave you a bad link

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Posted by Mike on September 13, 2000 at 09:39:45:

In Reply to: oops... sorry I gave you a bad link posted by Eric on September 13, 2000 at 07:42:55:

Thaks for the input..........I was in Gagnon's yesterday & nothing available that i'm interested in...............thanks again............Mike

Re: shot size

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Posted by Matt on September 13, 2000 at 09:28:18:

In Reply to: shot size posted by hutchman on September 13, 2000 at 08:10:57:

I'd use #4s. 3s and 5s may be hard to find in the 20 guage. Keep your shots close. And buy quality 3" magnums, like SuperX or Challenger.

shot size

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Posted by hutchman on September 13, 2000 at 08:10:57:

This year is my first year hunting and two buddies and I are heading out for some ducks on the 30th. I'm borrowing a 20 gauge and the owner recommended #6 shot. I've been talking to a couple other lads and they each ecommened different shot. 1 said to use #3 shot and the other #5. I'm probably going to use #6 as per the owner of the gun but what do you guys use/recommend?????

oops... sorry I gave you a bad link

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Posted by Eric on September 13, 2000 at 07:42:55:

In Reply to: Re: Remington Wanted posted by Eric on September 13, 2000 at 07:38:58:

Let's try this again...

Gagnon's used gun list

Re: Remington Wanted

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Posted by Eric on September 13, 2000 at 07:38:58:

In Reply to: Remington Wanted posted by Mike on September 11, 2000 at 05:49:27:

Mike,

Noticed a used Rem 7400 in .308 for sale at Gagnon's last week. As I recall, it had a scope ...don't know about a case or extra mags. I've yet to see one with a synthetic stock & I think the carbine only comes in .30-06. Here's the link...

Gagnon's used gun list

Re: Remington 11-48?

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Posted by BRIAN JOHN on September 12, 2000 at 21:53:27:

In Reply to: Remington 11-48? posted by Lonegunner on October 13, 1999 at 17:15:27:

looking for field barrel for my 11-48 that i purchased. i paid 400 for rifled ,ported and dipped in silver self lube finish slug gun very nice gun but need to find barrel HELP

Re: Remington 11-48?

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Posted by brian on September 12, 2000 at 21:33:54:

In Reply to: Remington 11-48? posted by Lonegunner on October 13, 1999 at 17:15:27:

i purchased my 11-48 about 2 years ago and had the same questions you had. im also looking for a field barrel for my gun.i have only a riffled and portted slug barrel for it,but would like to shot clays with it so if anyone knows of a field barrel and about a good price for one.

Re: Rattling deer

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Posted by DARRELL on September 12, 2000 at 20:05:32:

In Reply to: Rattling deer posted by Mike_/` on September 15, 1999 at 15:02:36:

TO BE SUCCESSFUL RATTLING AND GRUNTING YOU HAVE TO BE DOING THEM AT THE RIGHT TIME . YOUR BUCK / DOE RATIO NEEDS TO BE CLOSE . THE CLOSER THE BUCK DOE RATIO . THE BETTER YOUR CHANCES OF SUCCESS .YOU STILL NEED TO CALL BUT DONT GET TO AGRESSIVE IF YOUR RATIO IS OFF BALANCE . TRY MAKING THEM CURIOUS INSTEAD OF MAD . SPACE YOUR CALLS OUT TO EVERY 15 - 20 MINS . AND REMEMBER YOU NEED TO BE STILL BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING YOUR POSITION AWAY . THEY WILL COME IN LOOKING FOR YOU AND FIRST SIGN OF DANGER THEY'LL STOP AND LEAVE .

Re: MNR Ends the .270 Debate ! (aka. Chessy, now you can sleep at night...)

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Posted by Kern on September 12, 2000 at 19:31:34:

In Reply to: Re: MNR Ends the .270 Debate ! (aka. Chessy, now you can sleep at night...) posted by CHESSY on September 12, 2000 at 18:43:10:

The trick is to use it late at night so no one can see you :)

Re: MNR Ends the .270 Debate ! (aka. Chessy, now you can sleep at night...)

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Posted by CHESSY on September 12, 2000 at 18:43:10:

In Reply to: MNR Ends the .270 Debate ! (aka. Chessy, now you can sleep at night...) posted by Eric on September 12, 2000 at 10:48:02:

when i see it in black and white i will be happy and there is a few questions on the ask the mnr that im going to ask about as well thanks and i hope i can still use my 270

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 14:47:49:

In Reply to: POL/PAL Question posted by Screemin Reel on September 07, 2000 at 09:03:42:

sorry i was not able to respond to this issue but I'm new to this site,so bear with me as I vent some... The gun control is not about limiting hunters but limiting firearms in not criminals hands but in the publics hands. The bill is almost word for word that designed by Hitler in the early 30's so that he could control the population without an armed revolt.If the liberal gov't has done this to parralel Hitler, what else are they planning to do? Remember that Hitler was elected (?) into power by a democratic proccess.We all know the terrible loss of life and the price the world had to pay. I'm not suggesting that any of us should cause a rebelion in any way shape or form, but rather that we already have the means to say to the gov't that we do not like what they are doing... on election day! Some one should remind the liberals that they too can become like the federal conservative party. We all know that the present gov't doesn't give a hoot what the common man thinks, just look at the marches and letters so far. But when I see the percentage of those who did not vote on the last election, I cannot help but feel we got what we desearve. However, what we need to do now is find a party that is dedicated to eliminating this bill and replacing it with something that makes sense,That targets criminals and not make criminals out of honust law abiding citizens. Thanks for listening guys, I feel a little better, steve P.S. We all need to exercize our rights to vote,and if you don't vote ,I don't feel you have the right to complain.

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 14:44:29:

In Reply to: POL/PAL Question posted by Screemin Reel on September 07, 2000 at 09:03:42:

sorry i was not able to respond to this issue but I'm new to this site,so bear with me as I vent some... The gun control is not about limiting hunters but limiting firearms in not criminals hands but in the publics hands. The bill is almost word for word that designed by Hitler in the early 30's so that he could control the population without an armed revolt.If the liberal gov't has done this to parralel Hitler, what else are they planning to do? Remember that Hitler was elected (?) into power by a democratic proccess.We all know the terrible loss of life and the price the world had to pay. I'm not suggesting that any of us should cause a rebelion in any way shape or form, but rather that we already have the means to say to the gov't that we do not like what they are doing... on election day! Some one should remind the liberals that they too can become like the federal conservative party. We all know that the present gov't doesn't give a hoot what the common man thinks, just look at the marches and letters so far. But when I see the percentage of those who did not vote on the last election, I cannot help but feel we got what we desearve. However, what we need to do now is find a party that is dedicated to eliminating this bill and replacing it with something that makes sense,That targets criminals and not make criminals out of honust law abiding citizens. Thanks for listening guys, I feel a little better steve

Re: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by Fischer on September 12, 2000 at 13:28:09:

In Reply to: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&* posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:09:20:

He's a teenager right now, with the same attitude and wilfulness.

Consistency and prompt correction should do the trick. He hasn't forgotten everything, just doesn't feel like doing it. Don't let him get away with it, even once, or you'll have reinforced a bad habit, which will be harder to break, in the long run.

Re: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by Kevin on September 12, 2000 at 12:33:09:

In Reply to: HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&* posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:09:20:

Buy an electric collar and use is sparingly.

HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:09:20:

I have a liver lab who is 11 months old. this is his first hunting season,and the first time last week i took him goose hunting. He was great, beyond my expectations. However since then, he doesn't listen yet he knows that this is wrong,Idon't beleive that beating the dog is a good idea, but i'm stern enough to make him know that his behaviour is not to be tolerated.his problem in short is that he does not want to listen to basic commands in the feild like stay,wait, down, etc and just wants to do his own thing.Though, i know he is the best lab i've had so far and is a natural hunter. Any suggestions would be greatly helpfull.

HELP!!!! my lab is an #$$%^&*

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Posted by blackwolf on September 12, 2000 at 11:07:28:

I have a liver lab who is 11 months old. this is his first hunting season,and the first time last week i took him goose hunting. He was great, beyond my expectations. However since then, he doesn't listen yet he knows that this is wrong,Idon't beleive that beating the dog is a good idea, but i'm stern enough to make him know that his behaviour is not to be tolerated.his problem in short is that he does not want to listen to basic commands in the feild like stay,wait, down, etc and just wants to do his own thing.Though, i know he is the best lab i've had so far and is a natural hunter. Any suggestions would be greatly helpfull.

MNR Ends the .270 Debate ! (aka. Chessy, now you can sleep at night...)

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Posted by Eric on September 12, 2000 at 10:48:02:

With the help of Andy from the Zoo Board & various folks at the MNR, here is the final word (verbatim) regarding the use of a .270 in Southern Ontario...

Gary Martin, the Enforcement Supervisor wrote;

" The MNR stance on this section is that we use the nominal calibre of the firearm in determining compliance. That is, even though, as you have correctly suggested, the actual dimensions of a .270 cal. shell are .277, we accept that rifle as being a .270 and therefore treat it as a legal firearm within the restricted areas. "

This will appear, in due time, in "Ask the CO" in the FAQs, under "Game".

MNR, Ask the CO, FAQs

Thanks again to everyone who was involved.

The place on jane and 7 is...

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Posted by Braden on September 12, 2000 at 10:10:52:

In Reply to: Re: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87 posted by DUMB A$$ RED NECK HUNTER on September 12, 2000 at 06:01:02:

Ontario sporting supply. Sorry, i don't have there number handy, but there in the book.

Braden

Re: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87

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Posted by George on September 11, 2000 at 15:26:43:

In Reply to: Re: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87 posted by Matt on September 11, 2000 at 11:15:31:

Thanks Matt, But I'm not having much luck in the camo. I can find black but camo is a problem although Remington does manufacture it in camo.

Re: BPS For Sale

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Posted by Sid on September 11, 2000 at 14:26:30:

In Reply to: Re: BPS For Sale posted by jeff white on September 11, 2000 at 07:53:15:

pretty sure i bought it in '95

Re: waterfowl partner

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Posted by Tom Daymond on September 11, 2000 at 14:03:23:

In Reply to: waterfowl partner posted by johnny on February 19, 2000 at 22:33:13:

Johnny: I am a 49 year old duck hunter and have been hunting alone for quite a few years. Would like to find a hunting buddy. I have been hunting Long Point for some time now with good success. Only problem, I have been hunting out of a hunting kayak designed for one person. I have to be honest, I am looking for a resposible and gun safety minded person. If interested, perhaps we should hook up and discuss the next step.

Tom Daymond

Re: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87

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Posted by Kevin on September 11, 2000 at 12:25:59:

In Reply to: Re: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87 posted by Matt on September 11, 2000 at 11:15:31:

Cabela`s have them also.

Re: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87

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Posted by Matt on September 11, 2000 at 11:15:31:

In Reply to: Synthetic stock for REM 11-87 posted by George on September 11, 2000 at 08:35:29:

Anywhere that sells Remington guns should be able to order you one - they come in Mossy Oak Break-up, or plain black. These are identical to the ones that come on the new shotguns, with recoilpad and sling swivels. Price is reasonable, I would try Lebarons first. There are a few other companies that make these stocks, and they are either WAY over-priced, or crap. If you get ahold of the 2000 Remington catalog, the stocks are in the back pages.

Re: Hunting Show

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Posted by Fischer on September 11, 2000 at 10:12:47:

In Reply to: Hunting Show posted by HARVIE on September 09, 2000 at 08:54:51:

My buddy bought a Browning Quad jacket from Goble's for $379. List $699.

Gagnon's had the same jacket for $599.

Re: The Open`er

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Posted by TDC on September 11, 2000 at 09:40:38:

In Reply to: The Open`er posted by Kevin on September 10, 2000 at 17:21:28:

Kevin,sounds like the dog may still be on Arizona time!..LOL..hope you congratulated him on his first retrieve..good story.....Terry

Synthetic stock for REM 11-87

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Posted by George on September 11, 2000 at 08:35:29:

Hi guys, can anyone help me out with this. I would like to get a synthetic stock for my 11-87 (camo). Any idea where i could buy something like this?

Re: BPS For Sale

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Posted by jeff white on September 11, 2000 at 07:53:15:

In Reply to: BPS For Sale posted by Sid on September 07, 2000 at 16:05:54:

looking for the year of the gun

Remington Wanted

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Posted by Mike on September 11, 2000 at 05:49:27:

Hi guys & gals..........i'm looking for a used Remington semi in .243 or .308 for deer hunting, would consider a 30.06...would perfer the shorter carbine style with a synthetic stock. Funds are limited so go easy on me.........i'm in the GTA and would appreciate an email if you have one kicking around that you'd like to get rid of!!!!!!!

The Open`er

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Posted by Kevin on September 10, 2000 at 17:21:28:

Rough start!
Trailer lights needed replacing and gas tank was was giving me trouble, missed the morning shoot but went out for the evening hunt.
I had the pup with me, he`d never been in a boat before. Left the landing and got about a kilometer out when the motor quit, the hose had a kink in it so while I was fixing the gas line my dog thought he`d go for a walk.
He stepped off the side of the boat like he was stepping out the back door!
Well I got him fished out of the lake, fixed the gas line and continued on our way.
We were a half kilometer from the hunting spot when we ran out of water and ran into a weed bed that just wouldn`t quit. I got the push pole with the duck foot out and pushed the boat in the rest of the way.
Started untangling my tangle free decoy line from two dozen dekes and the dog falls out of the boat into the loon sh*t.
Ok, the stinky dog`s back in the boat, the decoys are out so we wait. A couple of mallards fly in and land a ways out, almost too far but there`s nothing else coming close to us so I stand up and the ducks lift, I take my shot, the duck goes down and gets back up so I give it another and down it goes for the count. We paddle out and pick it up, that`s all she wrote.
Got up this morning at 4AM and went back to the same spot (three hours sleep).Put the boat in the weeds and before I could get the blind up on the boat the sky was alive with ducks. I got one fast shot at a passing drake ringneck and down it came, hard.I called the dog out of the boat and waded over to within thirty feet of the downed bird.I marked it and the dog went after it.
He barked at it, snapped at it a few times and with a little coaxing he finally picked it up and brought it to me, his very first retrieve!
We went back to the boat, nothing else moving so I started cleaning the duck when my dog starts to gag!! Cleaning a duck makes him sick ... he`s a yellow lab ... he`s suppose to like it but it makes him gag, what next!
Anyway, I got the one shot off today and missed a couple fly by`s that I didn`t see in time but we got a little action and a couple of ducks, better luck next time ... and it`s early yet.
Good luck on your open`ers.

Re: 20 gauge rifled barrel for slugs?

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Posted by Kern on September 10, 2000 at 16:57:19:

In Reply to: 20 gauge rifled barrel for slugs? posted by markok on September 10, 2000 at 11:08:52:

Yes. On longer shots, your groups will be much tigher with a rifled barrel. If your shooting from a blind in close, there wont be that much difference.

20 gauge rifled barrel for slugs?

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Posted by markok on September 10, 2000 at 11:08:52:

I was hoping to get my PAL in time for my Nov deer hunt and buy a a rifle with it. That seems unlikely so I thought I'd buy a rifled slug barrel for my 20 gauge pump.

Is there an appreciable diffrence in a rifled barrel over the regular barrel. Is it worth the $$?

Any suggestions would be appreciated

Hunting Photos

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Posted by Bass Haven on September 10, 2000 at 07:13:09:

With the Fall season here already , we decided to put up a Hunting Photo Page similar to the one we already have for fish....So send me your hunting photos, whatever and wherever they are or may be, from Pronghorns to Moose, from Cottontails to WhiteTails, from Speckle Bellies to Spruce Hens, send 'em all by either E-mail or surface mail, describing who, what, where and when and we'll put 'em on the web site....the more we have the better our Webmaster(Bruce) likes it!! www.basshavencanada.com

Re: Good Shells

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Posted by Braden on September 10, 2000 at 02:13:02:

In Reply to: Re: Good Shells posted by sparky on September 09, 2000 at 21:38:41:

The Great Outdoors at Dundas and Dufferin, Call Nelson at (416) 538-6278

Re: Good Shells

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Posted by sparky on September 09, 2000 at 21:38:41:

In Reply to: Good Shells posted by Tony on September 09, 2000 at 16:11:07:

Try Gagnons in Oshawa or Labarons. They have Challengers or Kent Fasteel which are both good sheels !

Good Shells

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Posted by Tony on September 09, 2000 at 16:11:07:

Can anyone tell me were I can get good steel shot cheap I am looking for 3-4 cases. I am looking for Challenger's or any thing as fast or faster. I live in the Toronto area. Thanks in advance. Tony

Re: Hunting Show

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Posted by bob on September 09, 2000 at 10:37:51:

In Reply to: Hunting Show posted by HARVIE on September 09, 2000 at 08:54:51:

Hey at least you got there, I'm being dragged elsewhere for the weekend

Hunting Show

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Posted by HARVIE on September 09, 2000 at 08:54:51:

I went to the fall hunting show at the International Centre in Mississauga. All I can say is shop around. Le Baron had the best prices there for clothing. One booth was offering a "Sportchief Bowhunting Jacket" for 296$ and at Le Baron it was on sale for 220$. I came home and hid my purchases, but my wife found them and now I owe her diner.

Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by HARVIE on September 09, 2000 at 08:43:21:

In Reply to: bow and f.a.c posted by Morris on September 06, 2000 at 21:20:28:

A BOW IS ONLY A FIREARM UNDER THE FISH AND GAME ACT AND NOT THE CRIMINAL CODE. ALTHOUGH OUR GOV., BEING ANTI EVERYTHING, IS A LITTLE CONFUSED AND THINKS A CROSSBOW IS A FIREARM.

Re: I wasnt going to wade into this but....

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Posted by Kern on September 08, 2000 at 22:44:10:

In Reply to: PLEASE DONT GET INVOVLED IN THE 270 DEBATE posted by chessy on September 08, 2000 at 18:50:16:

Its been a while but if I remember correctly the cal. size refers to the distance between the lands. We all know for the gun to work right, any bullet would have to be a couple thousands of an inch bigger or else you would lose pressure behind the bullet = not efficient.

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by Tackleberry on September 08, 2000 at 21:45:38:

In Reply to: Re: POL/PAL Question posted by Eric on September 08, 2000 at 07:57:21:

Hey Eric, I agree with you re:dropping the ball. Really, only because I don't know why we weren't in there. (ON that is) but for every body else out there, .......

Try not to confuse "Federal Firearms Regulations" and "Provincial Hunting Regulations" This is the biggest problem in understanding what goes on.

Obviously ON found some deficientcies somewhere, because now , since the new year , it is acceptable to combine the two courses together. The full CFSC course is done and tested then the guns go away (unless used for demonstation purposes) and then the content of Hunter Ed is covered minus the guns. They called it "One Stop Shopping"

Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by Tackleberry on September 08, 2000 at 21:21:52:

In Reply to: Re: bow and f.a.c posted by Kern on September 07, 2000 at 11:26:06:

Kern you were right in both posts, However, ..... your first one with the definition was correct as the "old" definition of the "Canadian Law". Once C-68 was passed "into" the Firearms Act, the definition with the muzzle velocity was transfered and "crossbow" (only, not long or compound) was added. Because it was, ..... because they said so, ..... because it was, ... HOWEVER, ..... as it passed, they suspended that section indefiately, As Eric said coming to a register near you......

Personally I think they'll wait until another astrainged husband kills his wife with one and they'll say , "you see we should have done it in the first place!!"

What 'er you yammerin about? (NT)

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Posted by Bob on September 08, 2000 at 19:43:13:

In Reply to: PLEASE DONT GET INVOVLED IN THE 270 DEBATE posted by chessy on September 08, 2000 at 18:50:16:

eh?

PLEASE DONT GET INVOVLED IN THE 270 DEBATE

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Posted by chessy on September 08, 2000 at 18:50:16:

I was told years ago they would alow 270 until some one pushed the point the 270 is a 277 wich is biger that 275 please please stop this debate and dont push the issue cause any one like myself that owns a 270 will be pis@#$ off i vollenterr with the mnr often and some are just waiting for this to happen so just rember if you make the bed be prepared to sleep in it

Re: hey Matt 270 is legal

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Posted by Eric on September 08, 2000 at 13:33:22:

In Reply to: Re: hey Matt 270 is legal posted by Matt Ende on September 08, 2000 at 11:30:36:

Take a look at the post from Sept. 06, "you raise an interesting point"

I'm still waiting to hear from the MNR. Andy informs me that there is a back-log of unanswered questions, probably due to the hunting show.

I'll post their final answer as soon as I get it.

Doe tag draw results

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Posted by Andy on September 08, 2000 at 11:30:51:

You can find out from information at http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/csb/news/sep8nr00.html.

Re: hey Matt 270 is legal

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Posted by Matt Ende on September 08, 2000 at 11:30:36:

In Reply to: Re: hey Matt 270 is legal posted by rob s on September 08, 2000 at 00:34:52:

The law states : " YOu may not use a rifle of greater caliber than .275, except a flintlock or percussion cap muzzle-loading gun, for hunting small game in the counties of... "

Most cartridge's names are based on a catchy, easy to pronounce, easy to remember number. The name of the cartridge has little relevence to the actual 'caliber' or bore diameter and is nothing but a suggestion of approximate bore. There are very, very few commercial .270s, only the .270 Win and .270 Wby. They are both .277 caliber, which would technically put them over the top of this caliber restriction.

Since there are presently NO (and have never been any) cartridges that use .275" bullets, it is curious as to where the MNR dreamed up this rule. The next step down from the .270s are the .260s, which are .264" - .264 WinMag, 6.5x55, .260 Remington. - clearly smaller than .275"

Finally, since I don't hunt in Southern Ontario, and I don't own a .270, I have no idea how the MNR would interpret this law. It has been my experience that MNR officers usually leave absolutely NO room for interpolation when it comes to enforcing the regulations, and therefore it would NOT suprise me that a person would be held liable for using 'too big a gun' with the .270, being that it is larger than .275, as the law states.

Re: BRONTE CREEK PP - NEW TACTIC!!!

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Posted by Tom Brown on September 08, 2000 at 10:06:03:

In Reply to: BRONTE CREEK PP - NEW TACTIC!!! posted by Fischer on December 06, 1999 at 11:39:07:

I came from living at a home on Bronte rd. last year. I wish those dam politicions would be on OUR side once and a while(as we PAY the buggers!) What the hell ar`nt THEY fighting on OUR behalf. WE should tear up their front lawns to see how they would react! Tom Brown , Glasgow Scotland/

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by Eric on September 08, 2000 at 07:57:21:

In Reply to: Re: POL/PAL Question posted by Screemin Reel on September 08, 2000 at 00:06:34:

Mike,

In response to your scenario; if you fail the PAL test they will not just "issue" you a POL... they're not that nice. If you are really concerned about failing (or know someone who is), just get a POL before Jan. 1 to be legal & then go about writing the PAL exam 100 times until you get it right. Frankly, the test isn't that bad ...alot of it is common sense; don't drink gasoline, don't eat yellow snow, etc., etc.

The driving analogy is a good one... OK, so you fail the final driving test ...it doesn't mean that they will revoke your 365 (or whatever the learners permit is called these days)!

Also, the POL has nothing to do with being allowed to hunt (that's covered, in Ontario, under the Provincial Fish & Wildlife Conservation Act), the POL purely deals with the fact that you are allowed to own a gun & buy ammo. The assumption here, is that because you already own one, & you own it for a good reason (ie. hunting), you should already know how to use it ! As for the Hunter Safety Training Course, it's my opinion that our Provinical Gov't really dropped the ball on this one. In the new Fireams Act it says the following about getting a PAL,

"...you have passed a firearms safety course before January 1,1995 that has been "designated as equivalent" by the Attorney General of Manitoba or Quebec"

What makes them sooooo special ???

My take on the whole "Liberal agenda" is this; throw the people a bone ...offer an "easy to acquire" POL now & make it easy for them to renew it in the future. They are speculating on the fact that most people will do this, & as a result, will limit people's ability to buy/sell firearms. At the end of the day, folks will just say "it's too much hassle to hunt/shoot/collect" & just give-up the sport, their guns dying with them ...or so "they" hope.

It's the thin edge of the wedge, so get your PAL !

Re: hey Matt 270 is legal

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Posted by rob s on September 08, 2000 at 00:34:52:

In Reply to: Re: Best Varmit/Deer rifle posted by Lou on September 06, 2000 at 21:38:09:

yes a 270 is .277 look in the regs. and it refers to "270" cal My browning bar is stamped .270cal Ive checked this with several co's any they agree that "270" is legal in s ont. for small game that's why I like it . it will drop a moose dead with 140gr. sbt ammo , deer no question.

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by Screemin Reel on September 08, 2000 at 00:06:34:

In Reply to: Re: POL/PAL Question posted by Eric on September 07, 2000 at 09:29:02:

Ok guys but what about this scenerio.Say I as a hunter take the Firearm Safety Course and fail, so I am issued a POL instead so I will be able to hunt.So now the Liberal Gov endorses my use of firearms even though I failed the Safety course.Is that not the same as owning a car and driving it after you fail the drivers test!You get what im saying?Does it state specificly in the new laws that we will be able to hunt with a POL only?And why do any of us have to take a safety course when we all did to get our hunting licences.I guess you have to be a Liberal to make sense of this whole idiotic mess!...Mike

300 win mag fail safe

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Posted by Alex on September 07, 2000 at 22:41:03:

Would appreciate any info I could get on reloading 300 win mag with 180 gr. fail safe and IMR 4350. Have heard that the max charge has to be reduced due to the length of the bullet, like with the Barnes X. Thanks in advance.

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by Wes on September 07, 2000 at 17:22:58:

In Reply to: POL/PAL Question posted by Screemin Reel on September 07, 2000 at 09:03:42:

If you obtain a POL, you can continue to renew it every 5 years. No CFSC course required. If you wanted to upgrade to a PAL at some time, you would need to pass the test for the CFSC. If you failed, you can always try again. If you could not pass it you could continue to renew your POL and would not be able to register any new firearms in your name.

Good Used Boat Motor

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Posted by Tony Caschera on September 07, 2000 at 16:22:18:

Does anyone know were I could get a good used boat motor in the Toronto area 9.9 to 15 hs. thanks. Tony

BPS For Sale

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Posted by Sid on September 07, 2000 at 16:05:54:

Trying to sell my Browning BPS. It's a 3", 28" barrel. Screw in chokes, tapped for sling mounts. Also have a Browning camo sling. In good condition. Live in Woodbridge. Looking to get about $300. Hoping to buy a semi if I can sell the BPS.

Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by Kern on September 07, 2000 at 11:26:06:

In Reply to: Re: bow and f.a.c posted by Eric on September 07, 2000 at 08:31:30:

Im not sure how often they update that page, but I was told crossbows and bows were dropped from the PAL/POL process at the 11th hour. I dont know if they plan to bring something in at a latter date but if there will be money involved Im sure eventually you will have to have something to own them. At this time you dont need anything to buy or own them.

Re: POL/PAL Question

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Posted by Eric on September 07, 2000 at 09:29:02:

In Reply to: POL/PAL Question posted by Screemin Reel on September 07, 2000 at 09:03:42:

Mike, here's an excerpt from the CFC website, under "Possession-Only Licences"...

" If you already have firearms and dont plan to get any more, you will apply for a possession-only licence. This licence authorizes possession of the firearms that you already own and will allow you to borrow similar firearms.

You must apply for a possession-only licence before January 1, 2001. After that date, anyone getting their first firearms licence under the new law will get the "possession and acquisition" licence.

A possession-only licence is renewable every five years. A notice will be sent reminding you to renew.

You do not need to pass the Canadian Firearms Safety Course test to get a possession-only licence. "

CFC Website

POL/PAL Question

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Posted by Screemin Reel on September 07, 2000 at 09:03:42:

Would anyone have an answer to this question?Effective Jan.1st we will all need a POL minimum to keep our guns.What happens if after the POL expires and we take the mandatory PAL test,someone fails?Are His/Her firearms confiscated.I don.t mean to sound paranoid but it is a scary thought.Of all the debates I have heard on firearm licencing this is one question I have not heard an answer to...Thanks..Mike

Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by bowhunter on September 07, 2000 at 08:44:30:

In Reply to: bow and f.a.c posted by Morris on September 06, 2000 at 21:20:28:

I believe you need a PAL/FAC to purchase an x-bow, however I don't believe you need it to posess one, if you already own one.

Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by Eric on September 07, 2000 at 08:31:30:

In Reply to: Re: bow and f.a.c posted by Kern on September 06, 2000 at 22:00:52:

Coming soon... to a registrar near you !

Firearms Licence Summary

Just scroll down 'til you hit the summary & read the part about "Acquisition Licence for a Crossbow".

Re: Best Varmint/Deer rifle

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Posted by Screemin Reel on September 06, 2000 at 23:49:04:

In Reply to: Re: Best Varmint/Deer rifle posted by Eric on September 06, 2000 at 13:06:36:

Thanks for the tips guys.It sure helps.As for moose, I myself use a .308 and its more then enough for deer but I would like a lighter deer rifle with the added bonus of using the lighter faster loads.Thanks Mike

GUNS 4 sale

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Posted by Shooter on September 06, 2000 at 23:40:46:

GUNS FOR SALE

1. Winchester model 94 lever action 3030......$225

2. New England Firearms SB2 Handi Rifle single shot 22 Hornet 3-9X scope ........$300

3. Lakefield 64B semi auto 22 LR 4X Bushnell scope.....$100

4. CIL model 402 single shot 20 gauge ............$75

5. Marlin model 89C semi auto 22 LR ...........$100

6. Winchester/Cooey model 71 bolt action 30.06, 3 - 9 X scope (no stock)........$100

7. Savage model 65M bolt action 22 magnum 3-7X Bushnell scope ........$150

8. Cooey model 84 single shot 20 gauge .........$75

9. Cooey model 39 sinle shot 22 LR..............$45

10. Winchester model 94 lever action 3030...... $225

11. Boito 20 gauge O/U ................. $325

12. Remington model 1100 semi auto 12 gauge 30 inch full vent 2 3/4 .......................... $275

13. Savage model 110 bolt action 300 Win Magnum 3-9X Bushnell scope ............. $500

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Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by Kern on September 06, 2000 at 22:00:52:

In Reply to: Re: bow and f.a.c posted by Bob on September 06, 2000 at 21:49:07:

A firearm is a device capable of throwing a projectile at a speed of 500 fps or greater. All bows, long - compound & cross bows do not qualify as a fire arm under this definition. As things stand right now you can purchase any of these without a FAC/PAL. I just bought my first crossbow about 2 months ago and didnt need anything but my debit card.

Re: bow and f.a.c

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Posted by Bob on September 06, 2000 at 21:49:07:

In Reply to: bow and f.a.c posted by Morris on September 06, 2000 at 21:20:28:

Correct me if I'm wrong guys but Long bows are not considered firearms, Crossbows are. FAC for crossbows only

Re: Best Varmit/Deer rifle

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Posted by Lou on September 06, 2000 at 21:38:09:

In Reply to: Re: Best Varmit/Deer rifle posted by Matt on September 06, 2000 at 13:51:04:

My sentiments exactly!!...I own a Rem. 700 Heavy and a BLR both in .243 and use the same bullet in both for Deer, Coyotes, Fox, Jack's and Hogs....85 g. Sierra B/T...Killing power and bullet stability at long ranges...295 yd/max BLR...600+ yds. w/700 Heavy...is excellent...When I have to buy I use 85g. Federal Premium...I also have used .222 Model 721, .220 Swift #1 Ruger, 22-250 Husky, .257 Roberts Custom, .17 Rem. 700, .223 #1 Ruger, 7mm Rem. 700 Mountain for both varmits and deer, and I don't believe anything can match the versatility and the long range transfer of energy of the .243....Of course this is all just my humble opinion!...Back to Lurk...P.S...I carry a .338 Win. Model 70/Pre '64 for Moose.

You raise an interesting point...

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Posted by Eric on September 06, 2000 at 21:33:48:

In Reply to: Re: Best Varmit/Deer rifle posted by Matt on September 06, 2000 at 13:51:04:

Matt,

You raise an interesting point regarding the legal use of a .270 Win in parts of Southern Ontario. I talked with several seasoned hunters (who are not avid reloaders) & their initial interpretation of the law was the same as mine; it's under .275, therefore it's OK. When I raised the issue of bullet dia. alot of head scratching began. As a result, I sent the following to "Ask the C.O." ...

Page 74 of the 2000 Hunting Regulations, under Small Game Seasons & Other Regulations, the sub-section entitled "Firearms", paragraph 4, clearly states that, "You may not use a rifle of greater calibre than .275 ...for hunting small game in the counties of ...".

This would infer that it is legal to use a rifle commonly referred to as a .270 Win to hunt small game in the specified counties. However, the actual projectile diameter is .277".

How does the MNR define calibre (projectile diameter, bore before rifling is cut, groove to groove, land to land, etc.) ? & on what value does the MNR determine compliance (actual measurement or the data stamp on the barrel (ie. .270 vs .30-30)) ?

bow and f.a.c

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Posted by Morris on September 06, 2000 at 21:20:28:

Considering that a bow is listed as a fire arm would I be required to get an f.a.c for me to carry it,or buy arrows?

2000 Ont.Hunting Regs

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Posted by Kevin on September 06, 2000 at 17:25:08:

In Reply to: Information needed about Hunting Moose in Ontario posted by Huntinbum on September 06, 2000 at 15:52:09:

You can download the regs from here.
Ont.Regs
It will take a few minutes unless you`re on a high speed connection.

Information needed about Hunting Moose in Ontario

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Posted by Huntinbum on September 06, 2000 at 15:52:09:

I am interested in hunting moose without a guide or out of a drop camp. I am an american citizen and need info concerning license fees and hunt costs. I would prefer to hunt without an outfitter, but will if I must. Huntinbum

Early Action

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Posted by George on September 06, 2000 at 15:50:17:

A friend an i managed to get our limit on the opening afternoon of the hunt. Very exciting..

Information on Ontario Moose hunting needed

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Posted by Huntinbum on September 06, 2000 at 15:35:43:

I would like information on the cost of hunting moose in Ontario. I would prefer to hunt without a guide or in a drop camp. If it is not possible to make this hunt work without an outfitter then I need the least expensive package available. Many questions about cost of tags and other general info. Thank you in advance for your time and effort. Huntinbum

Re: EXCELLENT TOW VEHICLE FOR SALE

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Posted by dave jobes on September 06, 2000 at 15:03:19:

In Reply to: EXCELLENT TOW VEHICLE FOR SALE posted by Mark on September 26, 1999 at 18:56:09:

tow vehicles are medium duty trucks from freightliner and international for pulling 5th wheel campers. a mercury is far from being a "tow vehicle"!

Re: Best Varmit/Deer rifle

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Posted by Matt on September 06, 2000 at 13:51:04:

In Reply to: Best Varmit/Deer rifle posted by Screemin Reel on September 06, 2000 at 00:09:48:

A few cartridges that can be considered ideal for deer/predators/varmints are the .243 Win, 6mm Rem, .25-'06 Rem/.257 Roberts, the 7mm-.08 Rem/.280 Rem, .260 Rem, and the .270 Win. But, you can solve your dilemna right now by making a trip down to your gun dealer and grabbing a .243 bolt-acti