September 1, 2001 to December 31, 2001

All the best in 2002

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Posted by Big Bird on December 31, 2001 at 08:12:13:

To the adminisratator of this forum... keep up your good work. We are in need of this valuable forum as cummunication for those of us that hunt in Ontario.

Again, thanks for contributions in 2001 and all the best to you and all contributors during 2002.

May all our outings be rewarding as well as successful.

Jack

Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by Mike on December 31, 2001 at 06:25:28:

In Reply to: Re: Turkey choke? posted by BOSSTOM on December 30, 2001 at 16:07:48:

I have an 870 pump & use an Undertaker choke for turkey hunting. Don't know how it works on turkeys yet as I didn't get to pull the trigger this past season, oh well, but it sure patterns nice on paper. Hopefully i'll get to see if it patterns well on a turkey this spring...................hope this helps........HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!!!!!!!

Re: Where you shop?

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Posted by YXE on December 30, 2001 at 17:59:17:

In Reply to: Re: Where you shop? posted by Kern on December 28, 2001 at 22:50:13:

Onno,

You may want to try Shooters Choice in Waterloo, SIR in Winnipeg, Wholesale Sports in Calgary and also in Calgary, Russell`s Sporting, all of the retailers listed have web sites.

For those who shop Lebaron, is the Markham store just as bad as the Mississauga store to deal with ??

While on the subject of shopping, why not take a drive to the Detroit MI. area and stop buy Cabelas, Bass Pro and Gander Mountain shops all with in a 4 hr. drive or so, plus you can stop off at the Columbia outlet store in Windsor for clothing, even with the poor exchange rate the selection of hunting items is the best !! Remember to check out the Bargain Cave in Cabelas, you can find some great deals !!

YXE

Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by BOSSTOM on December 30, 2001 at 16:07:48:

In Reply to: Turkey choke? posted by OnnO on December 30, 2001 at 12:59:25:

Onno , Turkey chokes will make a difference in the pattern of a gun , they come in different sizes and restrictions, and costs , I have found in most guns that the hastings chokes seem to work well and cost less. canadiancamo has turkey chokes listed aswell. go to the site and sign up for a catalog ...BT

Turkey choke?

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Posted by OnnO on December 30, 2001 at 12:59:25:

In Reply to: Re: let me know what your looking for posted by Kern on December 30, 2001 at 10:47:58:

Kern, actually I asked this same question before from another thread. What's the different between, as you said, regular turkey chokes and high end chokes? I may visit Gagnon next week to chk around. BTW, I have no private land access, so will go scouting in the public lands nearby, still have 4 months to go, and hope to find some quite beaver pond for next duck season. Good Luck.

Re: Anyone been hunting deer?

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Posted by ace on December 30, 2001 at 12:10:04:

In Reply to: Anyone been hunting deer? posted by Hunter on December 29, 2001 at 17:25:58:

Was out this morning and had a doe 15 feet from me. On wrong side of bush though. Story of the year for me. The damn thing just couldn't stick to the trail, no no no, she just had to follow my tracks right to me...lol. Oh well, give em one last try tonight. Congrats on your hunt.

Re: let me know what your looking for

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Posted by Kern on December 30, 2001 at 10:47:58:

In Reply to: Re: let me know what your looking for posted by OnnO on December 29, 2001 at 16:07:39:

I did manage to get out last season and saw a few birds but didnt get a chance to put a bead on any. Actually I saw more birds this year while hunting ducks and deer than ever before. In my opinion, the trick to a good turkey hunt is finding them on private land that you have access to.

Gagnons has a nice selection of choke tubes. Have you been there lately? Are you looking at just a reg turkey choke for your 870 or something a little more high end?

Kern

Anyone been hunting deer?

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Posted by Hunter on December 29, 2001 at 17:25:58:

9 of us got out yesterday and did some drives. Actually did really well, filled the last(my) buck tag for the group and filled a surplus doe tag. Over 30 deer were seen, only 3 shot at, the 2 hunters using x-bows connected.

Re: let me know what your looking for

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Posted by OnnO on December 29, 2001 at 16:07:39:

In Reply to: Re: let me know what your looking for posted by Kern on December 29, 2001 at 14:46:21:

Thank you for the info, Kern.

Any luck for turkey with your 10ga? I got my turkey lic and may try the coming season if OK with vacation and my wife :-( so turkey chokes and loads are including in my research.

OnnO...

Re: let me know what your looking for

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Posted by Kern on December 29, 2001 at 14:46:21:

In Reply to: Re: let me know what your looking for posted by OnnO on December 29, 2001 at 13:37:17:

Hey OnnO, You can save yourself some foot work and frustration by making a few calls to some of these places before heading out there... Try these places...

Al Flaterly's...Dufferin & St. Clair in west end toronto. (416)651-6436

Willaims Arms ....Port Perry....905-985-8884. The guys at Williams Arms are nice to deal with. If they dont have they will order it for you.

Gagnons are on the web...http://www.gagnonsports.com/ they have a fax, phone and email link on the site so they are easy to get hold of. With the late goose season just around the corner, I would think that they would have some heavy loads instock.

If you want to look farther there is a link on Steve's 303 British page of what looks like most of the shops in Ontario...http://www.303british.com/ I dont think any of the places you find locally will have the selection of some of those big online outfits in the states but many of them wont ship to Canada, but like I said the guys up at Williams arms will order it for you if they dont have it.

All my hunting is done with shotgun and bow so I dont have any experience shopping for rifle loads, however sometimes its difficult finding the loads that I like to shoot with my 10ga. When I find them I buy alot so I dont have to worry about running out of my favourite round when I need it most.

Good luck with your testing and search.

Kern

Re: let me know what your looking for

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Posted by OnnO on December 29, 2001 at 13:37:17:

In Reply to: Re: let me know what your looking for posted by Kern on December 29, 2001 at 00:05:46:

Hi Kern,

I set up a project for myself this winter to try as many different shells and chokes on my 870 super mag. to record their different in pattern on different ranges. ( I'm not handloading YET.)

I didn't want to buy 100 different loads on a day so my wife will kill me when receieving the visa bill! So I try to buy several kinds a time when I visit the store(You know which). This time I asked for rifled slugs, buck shots, game loads and target loads from 2 3/4" to 3 1/2" (exactly as you mentioned, the lady asked me if I want 2 1/4" or 2 3/4"!!!and finally I needed to point out the shells I want on the shelf!!!)

Followed a thread in a US board before that people like local gun stores for their friendly services and would rather to pay a few more bucks to support their local store, then to buy cheap from Walmart. But local store usually take weeks even months for special orders, that made most hunters/shooters buy from the net instead,cause they used to take days to deliver.

Just wonder if this is the same happened to you or you shoot the same old gun with the same load year after year that you never worry about your local store won't be running out of 30-06 or 30-30?

OnnO...

Re: let me know what your looking for

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Posted by Kern on December 29, 2001 at 00:05:46:

In Reply to: Where you shop? posted by OnnO on December 28, 2001 at 18:02:01:

Hey OnnO, Let me know what your looking for....Im guessing if your in markham than your talking about Labarons. Now that most of the seasons are closed, you shouldnt have any trouble getting someone on the phone at Gagnons or labarons to see what they have in stock but this isnt a good time to buy ammo as you will only get what is left behind on the shelves from the hunting season and at Labarons, the person that answers the phone doesnt know squat about ammo. Every time I buy ammo there I have to point at the box on the shelf that I want!!

Kern

Kern

Re: Where you shop?

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Posted by Kern on December 28, 2001 at 22:50:13:

In Reply to: Where you shop? posted by OnnO on December 28, 2001 at 18:02:01:

I noticed this year the store I usually buy my ammo from didnt really have a selection to speak of and if you wanted it you had to get it when it came in just before the duck season. Luckily over the last 2 years I bought alot of ammo and when I see stuff I like I buy a few boxes at a time so right now I dont think Ill have to buy anything for a while. Mind you Ive noticed that stores that sell Winchester dont carry federal and vis-versa. Some of the special 10ga stuff is hard to find too like slugs and Tungston, but I guess since not alot of people shoot a 10, not too many stores will stock a selection of ammo for it. Between Williams Arms - Port Perry, Gagnons - Oshawa and Sport Action In Ottawa, Ive been able to get my hands on anything I need.

PS...For those of you that shoot 22 rim fire...Winchester has a recall out for their wildcat ammo. Its in the latest Ontario Out of doors or post here if you want the lot numbers.

Kern

Where you shop?

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Posted by OnnO on December 28, 2001 at 18:02:01:

I'm a lucky guy lived in 30 min away from a well known outdoors sports store in Markham (No telephone order within 45km).

Planned to go buy some shot shells for patterning in winter. Six different kinds, two brands: Rem & Win. But only got ONE as a result!!! Same thing happened before for my hand gun loads (.38S&W, a bit odd I know).

No problem with my rifle cartridge, I ordered them bulk on the net somewhere else.

So do you guys have problem with your local supplier?

Re: joke of the day

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Posted by ace on December 27, 2001 at 21:53:22:

In Reply to: Re: joke of the day posted by Ray on December 27, 2001 at 19:17:58:

LMAO

Re: joke of the day

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Posted by Ray on December 27, 2001 at 19:17:58:

In Reply to: joke of the day posted by sparky on December 27, 2001 at 14:12:25:

Boy I go hunting with a guy who's wife call's him bubba i sure hope he doesn't get any brain waves from reading that joke lol

joke of the day

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Posted by sparky on December 27, 2001 at 14:12:25:

A couple of rednecks (Bubba and Bobo) are out in the woods hunting when Bobo falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head.

Bubba whips out his cell phone and calls 911. He gasps to the operator, "My friend is dead! What can I do?" The operator, in a calm soothing voice says, "Just take it easy. I can help. First, lets make sure he's dead." There is a silence, then a shot is heard. Bubba's voice comes back on the line. He says, "OK, now what?"

Re: Presquile Duck Hunt

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Posted by Kern on December 27, 2001 at 13:45:50:

In Reply to: Presquile Duck Hunt posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on December 26, 2001 at 20:23:37:

What started the whole thing in the first place?? Why were they thinking of moving it??

Kern

Re: Presquile Duck Hunt

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Posted by Hunter on December 26, 2001 at 20:47:26:

In Reply to: Presquile Duck Hunt posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on December 26, 2001 at 20:23:37:

Now if they only openned point pelee again!!

Presquile Duck Hunt

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on December 26, 2001 at 20:23:37:

The MNR has announced that the duck hunt in Presquile Provincial Park will not be moving.

This is a great victory for hunters!!!!

Happy New Year to all of you.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: kern and sparky and friends

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Posted by Sparky on December 26, 2001 at 12:19:52:

In Reply to: kern and sparky and friends posted by jason aka chessy on December 25, 2001 at 08:57:30:

Great news Jason !!! I tried to call the other night but could not get through. I wish you and the family a great New Years !

Sparky

Re: what to do?

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Posted by ace on December 26, 2001 at 11:22:24:

In Reply to: Re: what to do? posted by Big Bird on December 26, 2001 at 08:39:59:

was actualy hoping to get one for xmas but didn't. Oh well, guess the new hunting jacket and neoprene chest wadders will do.

Re: what to do?

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Posted by ace on December 26, 2001 at 11:19:43:

In Reply to: Re: what to do? posted by Big Bird on December 26, 2001 at 08:39:59:

Was actualy hoping to get one for xmas...lol oh well, I guess the new neoprene chest waders and hunting jacket will do.

Re: what to do?

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Posted by Big Bird on December 26, 2001 at 08:39:59:

In Reply to: what to do? posted by ace on December 23, 2001 at 21:32:49:

Try using a decoy. The decoy will lure them towards you for a better shot.

You propably do not have one but, at this stage of the season try cutting a silloette.

Re: Merry Christmas To all forum Members !

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Posted by Kern on December 26, 2001 at 01:16:06:

In Reply to: Merry Christmas To all forum Members ! posted by BOSSTOM on December 21, 2001 at 13:49:31:

Merry Xmas to one and all....

Kern

Re: kern and sparky and friends

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Posted by Kern on December 25, 2001 at 23:01:11:

In Reply to: kern and sparky and friends posted by jason aka chessy on December 25, 2001 at 08:57:30:

Good to hear Jason....I wish everyone a merry xmas and a happy new year...

Kern

kern and sparky and friends

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Posted by jason aka chessy on December 25, 2001 at 08:57:30:

just wanted to let you know i have my systems now and will be on regulaly and wanting to wish you all a merry christmas and a happy new year { next is my guns }

Re: Merry Christmas To all forum Members !

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on December 24, 2001 at 00:46:17:

In Reply to: Merry Christmas To all forum Members ! posted by BOSSTOM on December 21, 2001 at 13:49:31:

Best wishes to everyone. I hope 2002 is your best year yet!

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

what to do?

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Posted by ace on December 23, 2001 at 21:32:49:

So I am out deer hunting this afternoon ( in the rain) and there in the middle of the field at 3 pm there are 5 deer. With wind in my favour I started a stalk. Got about 100 yds away with treeline seperating us. My only hope was that they came my way into the clearing through the fence line. Of coarse they didn't. After they were on the other side of the field i decided to go back to where I saw 3 come out a few nights previous. About 430 4 more came out about 150 yds away. So I grunt, a buck grunt, a doe, then a fawn then back to a sequence of about 10 grunts in a row. They only glanced my way a couple of times. So here is my question. Since there are only a few days left in the season and my work only allows me to get out 2 more times what should I have done. These deer have just started to get comfortable with comming out to the fields in the last week because of the shotgun season. Should I have tried to stalk these ones aswell. I mean the wind was in my favour, I felt that I was walking fairly quietly, and oh yeah, I freight train goes by every day at 445. The train goes about 500 yds away and does not afect them but would probably made me seem less noisy. ORRRR shoud I have done what I did, which was Just leave silently so I wouldn't spook them. This is usualy what we do earlier in the season so as not to make them nervous the next time they come to that field at that time of day. I took the gamble anyway and I hope it will pay of in one of my next and last two trips.

Re: Me too!

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Posted by ace on December 23, 2001 at 10:39:51:

In Reply to: Re: Me too! posted by Kirk on December 21, 2001 at 14:35:03:

Huntimg in eastern On. Kingston area. First couple weeks was ok but nothing like years past. Have seen it much better.

Re: Merry Christmas!

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Posted by OnnO on December 22, 2001 at 00:14:05:

In Reply to: Re: Merry Christmas! posted by Ray on December 21, 2001 at 22:41:49:

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all.

Re: Merry Christmas!

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Posted by Ray on December 21, 2001 at 22:41:49:

In Reply to: Re: Merry Christmas! posted by Kirk on December 21, 2001 at 15:09:59:

Merry christmas everyone hope u all have agreat hoilday

Re: Merry Christmas!

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Posted by Kirk on December 21, 2001 at 15:09:59:

In Reply to: Merry Christmas To all forum Members ! posted by BOSSTOM on December 21, 2001 at 13:49:31:

Hope Santa brings everyone lots of toys. I know I have my list made up: .270 Remington Model 700, Mustang floater suite, 40hp 4-stroke outboard, gas powered ice auger, ATV (any brand - not fussy), another 4 dozen decoys, snowmobile (long track please), kevlar canoe......

Ahhhhhh.....but then again, another tie would be nice too.

Have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Kirk

Re: Me too!

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Posted by Kirk on December 21, 2001 at 14:35:03:

In Reply to: Where are you duck hunting posted by Brad on December 20, 2001 at 23:46:18:

I only went for puddlers twice, but I limited out both times. Could have had plenty more if I wanted but put the time into divers instead.

Can't wait for the lakes to stiffen up.

Kirk

Merry Christmas To all forum Members !

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Posted by BOSSTOM on December 21, 2001 at 13:49:31:

I hope everyone has a Great and Safe Holiday ...BT

Re: Anyone doing any hunting?

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Posted by Fischer on December 21, 2001 at 08:05:52:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone doing any hunting? posted by ace on December 20, 2001 at 22:00:24:

We had the same problem with the deer during the blackpowder season two weeks ago. They were all moving at night. Weather is too mild, so they're moving at night and bedding during the day. The tracks were incredible!

We even had trouble locating them in the bush. We finally managed to push a doe and two fawns out mid-week, but couldn't connect. Buddy finally got a small doe that I pushed to him on the Saturday.

There are some BIG deer in the area we hunted, but I think they're returning to the big, private swamp during the day, where we can't get at them.

Maybe next year...

Where are you duck hunting

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Posted by Brad on December 20, 2001 at 23:46:18:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone doing any hunting? posted by ace on December 20, 2001 at 22:00:24:

I got the most mallards of my duck hunting career this year, woodies too. Maybe I just got better though.

Re: Anyone doing any hunting?

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Posted by ace on December 20, 2001 at 22:00:24:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone doing any hunting? posted by Brad on December 20, 2001 at 11:49:35:

Went duck hunting yesterday. nada. Lots flying but way out. Nothing close range. Thats what happens on a bluebird day on the big lake. Deer hunting in the pm saw 4 deer, all does. No doe tag, just 3 bucks. Going out Sunday. Same problem though, they are nocturnal and tracks are there everyday but the deer are not.

p.s. Duck hunting sucked this year. I have never seen so few ducks.

Re: Anyone doing any hunting?

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Posted by bowhunter on December 20, 2001 at 16:05:07:

In Reply to: Anyone doing any hunting? posted by Kirk on December 20, 2001 at 11:33:53:

Still bowhunting. One tag left. I've passed on a number of does, but I won't from now on. We've seen a number in the last week, but just can't get one lined up in the right spot. Plan to try again Saturday. Hopefully, we can finish that tag off.

Re: Anyone doing any hunting?

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Posted by Brad on December 20, 2001 at 11:49:35:

In Reply to: Anyone doing any hunting? posted by Kirk on December 20, 2001 at 11:33:53:

I'm still bow hunting but its pretty slow. the deer here are constently moving at night. They go by were I sit every night and walk around. Seeing lots of rabbits and grouse might just have to give them a go. Sturgeon and scugog are frozen except for the channels which are full of ducks and geese. Its making me think all day. Wet suits and navy seal shotguns.... pertfect.

Anyone doing any hunting?

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Posted by Kirk on December 20, 2001 at 11:33:53:

This time of the year drives my stir-crazy. Duck season is over, fishing is closed in the Kawarthas (my area) and Simcoe and Quinte are free of ice.

I still have 2 deer tags but the areas I hunt are dry this year. Thought I might try some rabbit/grouse this weekend.

Anyone been out lately? Any luck?

Kirk

Re: How were the ducks in your area this season?

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Posted by dave on December 20, 2001 at 07:15:35:

In Reply to: Re: How were the ducks in your area this season? posted by Kern on December 13, 2001 at 22:15:08:

I've had good luck with the geese,seeing more than average and there are more mallards around than i've seen in a long time.I live around kincardine

Re: returning letter

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Posted by dave on December 20, 2001 at 07:10:42:

In Reply to: returning letter posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 08:47:25:

Are you going to hunt the coons with dogs or walk around during the day?If you are going to walk around during the day big beech trees usually hold some coonsotherwise look for any big trees that have big crothes or holes in them.If you can get permission on any farmers property look around the barn for tracks.they will usually sleep in the rafters during the day.you can set up live traps with some corn in it for bait. good luck

Re: Wanted!! Model 88's winchester

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Posted by Rick Teal on December 18, 2001 at 20:02:43:

In Reply to: Wanted!! Model 88's winchester posted by Bill on December 18, 2001 at 04:38:25:

Epps has one listed on their web site in .308.

Go to ellwoodepps.com and check their used rifles.

Re: hunting laws

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Posted by Frank on December 18, 2001 at 14:24:52:

In Reply to: hunting laws posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 12:58:43:

If you contact your local township office they should be able to send you detailed information regarding firearms discharge. Several of the municipalities around Toronto for instance have "checkerboard" rules regarding where you can discharge a gun, as well as restrictions on the use of rimfire or centerfire rifles. Noise bylaws might also prevent you from partaking in lengthy target practice in areas where it is otherwise legal to hunt with shotgun or rifle. As some of the other posts have mentioned, its best to get this information in writing just in case a pesky landowner complains.

With regards,

Frank

Wanted!! Model 88's winchester

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Posted by Bill on December 18, 2001 at 04:38:25:

Hi.. Im looking for any model 88's in winchester ..I beleive they made a couple different calabers,, Thanks

Check with Municipality - you might be surprised

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Posted by Stephen on December 17, 2001 at 18:09:46:

In Reply to: hunting laws posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 12:58:43:

A friend bought a piece of property that looks hopeful for geese. Only problem is at every entrance into town there is a big yellow sign about No Discharge By-law I checked with town, it turns out there is such a by-law , but in selected areas. Many people for years have thought you could not hunt in the area because of the signs. Almost half of the town discharging a firearm is actually allowed (mainly farm fields, forest and pond areas). My advice to all is to check!! I was glad I did.

Re: coons in Owen Sound

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Posted by Rob S. on December 16, 2001 at 22:09:06:

In Reply to: Re: returning letter posted by Matt on December 15, 2001 at 23:41:34:

there has been more coons in the Owen Sound area the past two years than in the last 20 plus years. just ask the local animal control people! from keady to leith there every where ,

Re: returning letter

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Posted by Matt on December 15, 2001 at 23:41:34:

In Reply to: returning letter posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 08:47:25:

I used to live in Owen Sound - I don't remember seeing to many coons up there.

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by MICHELLE on December 15, 2001 at 21:25:27:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Ray on November 19, 2001 at 17:08:34:

no picture i don't believe you....I got a30 incher buddy,,,,,....

Re: hunting laws

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Posted by Braden on December 14, 2001 at 17:42:35:

In Reply to: hunting laws posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 12:58:43:

Be very careful! By-laws or municipal code will very with every township or county. In some there will be no discharge law, others will have a 100 or 400 metre rule, some will have laws about high water marks etc. If you aren't sure contact the township offices and get a written copy of the code. This way if the police are contacted d/t discharge you can have written proof that you are within the law. Very few police officers will know the municipal code/by-law for a particular area unless they hunt themselves. And a lot of residents dislike the sound of shotgun fire at 7:15 am on a saturday morning wether it's legal or not! They will call the local constabulary and make a complaint re: unlawful hunting!

Re: hunting laws

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Posted by Wes on December 14, 2001 at 16:53:39:

In Reply to: Re: hunting laws posted by Kern on December 14, 2001 at 14:23:21:

Check the township by-laws. Some have by-laws regarding discharge of firearms.

Re: hunting laws

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Posted by Kern on December 14, 2001 at 14:23:21:

In Reply to: Re: hunting laws posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 14:14:53:

Yes, you should be ok...how close are you going to be?? Hopefully the the noise wont bother them. Good luck.

Kern

Re: hunting laws

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Posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 14:14:53:

In Reply to: Re: hunting laws posted by Kern on December 14, 2001 at 13:36:28:

But if the houses are behind me and I have clear shooting the other way I should be OK.

Re: hunting laws

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Posted by Kern on December 14, 2001 at 13:36:28:

In Reply to: hunting laws posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 12:58:43:

Their isnt a law that states how close or far from a house you have to be. If these houses are outside city limits, then the only thing you have to concern your self with is "Unsafe discharge".

When you shoot you have to be sure where those pellets are going to end up and your responsible for each one of them. If those houses are within 500yrds and your shooting into the air then there is a chance some pellets may rain on or near them ----> Unsafe discharge.

Kern

hunting laws

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Posted by Brad on December 14, 2001 at 12:58:43:

Does anybody know any of the general hunting laws that apply to such things as; how close you can be to houses, cottages ie for goose hunting I have permission for a couple of properties. One is a field but the whole one end is houses and the other side isn't. The other is a lake front property but there are houses pretty close. I can't to much info any help would be much appreciated I would like to get out for the snow if it makes it. Thanks Brad

Thanks

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Posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 12:23:59:

In Reply to: Re: returning letter posted by Mike on December 14, 2001 at 09:16:15:

I will do that! Thanks

Re: returning letter

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Posted by Mike on December 14, 2001 at 09:16:15:

In Reply to: returning letter posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 08:47:25:

If you're in the Owen Sound area, go into Watsons Tackle House & talk to Drew Watson. He is a wealth of information regarding the Owen Sound area.

Re: HI

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Posted by kc. on December 14, 2001 at 08:53:36:

In Reply to: Re: HI posted by Kern on December 13, 2001 at 20:32:15:

send me info on southern ontario whitetails

Re: returning letter

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Posted by kc on December 14, 2001 at 08:50:56:

In Reply to: returning letter posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 08:47:25:

hi send me info on deer

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Posted by kc on December 14, 2001 at 08:48:46:

In Reply to: returning letter posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 08:47:25:

hi

returning letter

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Posted by K.C. on December 14, 2001 at 08:47:25:

hi . I live by Owen Sound . I would like info on deer and coon please. Owen Sound is just above Toronto

Thanks K.C.

Re: How were the ducks in your area this season?

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Posted by Kirk on December 14, 2001 at 08:33:55:

In Reply to: How were the ducks in your area this season? posted by Justin on December 13, 2001 at 20:49:42:

Talked to a friend in the Espanola area and he says the divers are late this year. Even the small lakes have not frozen yet so the ducks are still spread thin.

Also, we have not had any really good north winds to bring them down here. In fact, we've had a lot of south winds. Divers are hardy and will stay north as long as open water is still available. Also, they won't waste their energy flying into a south wind.

I'm guessing we'll see large numbers of divers arrive after the season closes.

Kirk

Re: One caveat...

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Posted by Kirk on December 14, 2001 at 08:17:30:

In Reply to: divers???? posted by BW on December 13, 2001 at 23:10:11:

All of the divers I've eaten were from the Espanola area (I used to live there). They were fresh from their nesting grounds in the north and hadn't gotten into any zebra mussels yet.

Perhaps I should try a few divers from down here before I have truckloads of them brought to my front porch!!!

I'm going for divers this weekend. Hopefully we'll bag a few.

Kirk

divers????

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Posted by BW on December 13, 2001 at 23:10:11:

In Reply to: excellent...... posted by Braden on December 13, 2001 at 17:48:38:

I can agree ringnecks are good, but buffle heads????bluebills the ones I have shot were flat out nasty...I'd take a black anyday,same with mallards...dont know but anything eating corn and grain has to taste better than a zebra muscle diet duck..

Re: How were the ducks in your area this season?

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Posted by Kern on December 13, 2001 at 22:15:08:

In Reply to: How were the ducks in your area this season? posted by Justin on December 13, 2001 at 20:49:42:

Its not just the ducks but I find the number of geese around here are off too... could be the warm weather has them stalled in their annual routine. I live around bowmanville and drive the 402 alot between their and oshawa and I just havent been seeing birds like I used to. Maybe this snow we get tomorow will shake up some things.

Kern

Re: kern

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Posted by Kern on December 13, 2001 at 22:01:47:

In Reply to: kern posted by chessy on December 13, 2001 at 21:06:40:

Its a shame that you have to scare some people into doing what they are suppose to be doing. Tomorrow is suppose to be wet and snowy...call me at work if you want to get out for a few rounds.

Kern

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Posted by Kern on December 13, 2001 at 21:59:12:

In Reply to: Re: kern posted by Nick on December 13, 2001 at 21:48:15:

Its suppose to snow good tomorrow but the wind will be from the east....let me know if yu want to try to get out for the afternoon.

Kern

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Posted by Nick on December 13, 2001 at 21:48:15:

In Reply to: kern posted by chessy on December 13, 2001 at 21:06:40:

J......

Glad to see that things are going well on your end for a change !! If we get a bit of snow we might beable to put a few birds down !

Sparky

kern

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Posted by chessy on December 13, 2001 at 21:06:40:

finally put a scare into the people i have been dealing with for a few months now they did not like the bill i submitted but it all looks rosy now i may even be able to hunt in the new year if things come in talk to you soon jason

How were the ducks in your area this season?

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Posted by Justin on December 13, 2001 at 20:49:42:

It would be interesting to get some reports from around the province about how the ducks were this year.

Up here in the Haliburton/North Hastings area, I would say from my own experience and everyone I talked to, it was not a good year.

There were lots of wood ducks produced locally but the numbers of local mallards, blacks and ringnecks were way down. Also, the northern divers which usually consist of ringnecks and a few scaup followed by a second wave of whistlers and bufflehead did not show at all. Are they skipping over us and heading to the zebra mussel grounds farther south? Maybe they got blown by weather systems east or west of us. Or maybe their numbers from up north were way down.

There are lots of people on this board. If enough of us report, we can figure it out.

Re: What do you like?

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Posted by Justin on December 13, 2001 at 20:40:53:

In Reply to: What do you like? posted by Kirk on December 13, 2001 at 14:11:01:

I agree with you completely about the ringnecks. Nothing comes close to them. I've yet to have a bad scaup (I haven't tried too many). About 90% of the whistlers I've had were great. The others were not!!

The worst ducks I have ever eaten were snail eating blacks. The smell of them cooking was enough to put you off your feed for a week.

Re: HI

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Posted by Kern on December 13, 2001 at 20:32:15:

In Reply to: HI posted by K.C. on December 13, 2001 at 15:30:50:

Hey KC...Where in ontario are you?? Its a big patch of dirt. If your in northern Ontario then I suspect you wont be needin too much info on how the shootin is on lake ontario. What are you looking to shoot??

Kern

excellent......

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Posted by Braden on December 13, 2001 at 17:48:38:

In Reply to: What do you like? posted by Kirk on December 13, 2001 at 14:11:01:

Kirk, e-mail me your adress and I'll drop every damn diver I shoot at your house, and want nothing in exchange. Now I can hunt divers again with a clear conscience that they will always be put to good use. I have pretty much strictly hunted puddlers this year, not wanting to end up with a freezer full of meat that I have to choke through. Bringing out the longlines again!!!!! BTW I am not kidding, you want em you got em!

HI

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Posted by K.C. on December 13, 2001 at 15:30:50:

hi ! will someone send me hunting and fishing in ontario info please!

What do you like?

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Posted by Kirk on December 13, 2001 at 14:11:01:

I have not eaten every kind of duck. Of the ducks I have eaten, I definitly have some preferences.

In general, I prefer divers to puddlers. I'll trade just about any duck for a ringneck. Next to ringneck, I prefer goldeneye and buffleheads. I find scaup are hit and miss. Occasionally they taste great but you also get some scaup that hang around with the mergansers.

I've never tried a canvasback, but I hear they're pretty good too.

What are your favourite ducks to eat?

Brent - I read you're post below and you passed up the whistlers and buffleheads in favour of mallards. I'll take you're goldeneyes and you can have my mallards!!!

Kirk

Re: What were you taking?

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Posted by Brent on December 13, 2001 at 11:49:52:

In Reply to: Re: What were you taking? posted by Kirk on December 13, 2001 at 10:55:17:

Ended up with 4 mallards and 5 scaup.

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Posted by Hunter on December 13, 2001 at 11:30:58:

In Reply to: Ducks posted by Bow Nut on December 12, 2001 at 16:30:28:

Im in extreme southern Ontario, were finally getting a few flights in. Very few divers, still have teal and woodies around and thousands of geese! Too bad everything is wise. This weather kept the "tennis shoe" hunters out this year. UGGHHHH! Gotta break down and buy a couple robos this weekend!

Re: What were you taking?

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Posted by Kirk on December 13, 2001 at 10:55:17:

In Reply to: Re: Ducks posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on December 12, 2001 at 16:37:41:

Brent,

Sounds like you were passing up a lot of ducks. What were you taking?

Kirk

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Posted by ace on December 12, 2001 at 23:31:34:

In Reply to: Ducks posted by Bow Nut on December 12, 2001 at 16:30:28:

Havn't seen many aound myself. Going to Pt. Petree on Tues though. Hopefuly bag a few on the second last day.

Nice (no message)

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Posted by Bow Nut on December 12, 2001 at 20:21:16:

In Reply to: Re: Ducks posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on December 12, 2001 at 16:37:41:

cc

Re: Ducks

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on December 12, 2001 at 16:37:41:

In Reply to: Ducks posted by Bow Nut on December 12, 2001 at 16:30:28:

We had a good hunt today taking 9 ducks and 2 geese. Could have killed three more birds quite easily to fill the limit but we passed on the buffies, whistlers and hen mallards.

Still a couple more days to get em!!!!!

B.

www.diverducks.com

Ducks

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Posted by Bow Nut on December 12, 2001 at 16:30:28:

Anyone been out lately. I was out this morning and never fired a shot. I hate having an east wind. I was hunting the St. Lawrence hoping the back ponds would be frozen by now.

model 12

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Posted by Matt on December 12, 2001 at 09:14:45:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by KC on December 11, 2001 at 14:25:34:

I don't think he'd want either of them, because they are not safe for modern steel-shot loads.

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Posted by Dave on December 12, 2001 at 08:02:42:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by KC on December 11, 2001 at 14:25:34:

don't waste your money,they cost very little to buy because they're made cheap.

Re: Pheasant preserve

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Posted by Pierre on December 11, 2001 at 22:28:07:

In Reply to: Re: Pheasant preserve posted by Dave on December 11, 2001 at 12:32:53:

Well Dave, that's a good question. If you are a great shot, your dog works perfectly, and every bird released gets up and gives you an opportunity, then it's the same thing. UNFORTUNATELY things don't always go as planned when in the field. The straight answer is that it's $15 / bird released. No one ever said hunting was easy ! Good luck and have fun.

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by KC on December 11, 2001 at 14:25:34:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by ace on December 08, 2001 at 23:23:13:

Buy a used Mod. 12,or '97 Winchester, and have a real gun.

Re: Pheasant preserve

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Posted by Dave on December 11, 2001 at 12:32:53:

In Reply to: Pheasant preserve posted by Pierre on December 10, 2001 at 22:50:19:

Is that $15 per bird released or $15 per bird shot? I come from that area and will be back there for christmas, and if there's no snow yet I may have to give it a try!

Re: anyone been to Luther or Darlington lately??

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Posted by Kern on December 10, 2001 at 23:05:19:

In Reply to: anyone been to Luther or Darlington lately?? posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 14:53:16:

I dont think Darlington is openthis late. As for birds on the eastern part on Lake Ontario...I've heard the shooting hasnt been that good.

Kern

Pheasant preserve

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Posted by Pierre on December 10, 2001 at 22:50:19:

Just wanted to inform my fellow enthusiasts that there is a pheasant preserve between Pembroke and Cobden. The owner is Mike Bohm and he runs a nice little place.He has nice big birds that are decent flyers and he can even provide a friendly experienced pointer to help locate them. If you've never tried it and want a change from the usual birds you miss, call him at 613-735-4568. It would make a nice Christmas present to yourself. At $15/bird it's a good deal too.

870 Wingmaster

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Posted by Matt on December 10, 2001 at 19:32:28:

In Reply to: Thanks for the feedback guys... posted by BBB on December 09, 2001 at 16:52:29:

Comparing a 1300 to an 870 Wingmaster is like comparing a dodge omni to a mercedes - The former was designed to be cheap and disposable, the other; the Wingmaster, is considered the benchmark that all pump guns are compared to. I have handled $1500+ autos and $3000 doubles that don't even come close to handling like a Wingmaster with the standard 28" light contour barrel. Also, I have overheard more than one bona-fide gunsmith voice his love/hate for the 1300 (they love all the money they make fixin' them, and hate the akwardness and unreliability of the gun). As we speak, there are US Army Rangers and CIA spec-ops in Talibani-stan hunting terrorists, in dark caves, with 870s loaded with 00 camel-shot. Don't believe all that crap about the 'speed-pump' or whatever it is they call it either - it's just a gimmick. I can't ever recall anybody walking home with no meat because his shotgun "didn't pump fast enough". In my opinion, get a 870, either the Express or one of the SP versions if you are going to hunt with it, and you'll have one less thing to worry about failing.

Re: 2002 Turkey Season

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Posted by BT on December 10, 2001 at 18:43:35:

In Reply to: Re: 2002 Turkey Season posted by bowhunter on December 09, 2001 at 08:32:45:

bowhunter the questionair was just to see the feed back on that question , I can't see it yet....BT

Skunk Off Works

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Posted by Bob on December 10, 2001 at 06:29:03:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

Might have to use it twice, but it works better than you'd think possible. Maybe you could put this stuff in a comercial rug shampooer?

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by Mike on December 10, 2001 at 06:17:47:

In Reply to: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 11:56:32:

Spend the money & get a Remington 870!

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Posted by ace on December 09, 2001 at 22:46:13:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by Matt on December 09, 2001 at 03:09:45:

Matt Matt oh Matt. Brother could we swap stories. The 1300 was my first gun. WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP! I had nothing but problems with it from day one. But on the other hand I do know a fella who has one aswell and loves it. Will never own another myself.

Thanks for the feedback guys...

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Posted by BBB on December 09, 2001 at 16:52:29:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by Matt on December 09, 2001 at 03:09:45:

The guy already sold it, I think he took $120 for it. This Maverick was for my dad, he only duck hunts about once a year. By the way Matt, I already shoot a Winchester 1300, and I have had nothing but good luck with it. My buddy has an 870 Wingmaster, and though he too is happy with his gun, it's heavier and doesn't swing as nice as my 1300.

Re: Justice - Pony hunter revisited

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Posted by bowhunter on December 09, 2001 at 08:38:11:

In Reply to: Re: Justice - Pony hunter revisited posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 14:58:46:

The hunting ban is the best part. 10 years no hunting or fishing. The more idiots like this we put out of the woods the better. We have a local that hunts near our hunt camp who is well known for hunting from the road and jack lighting. Last year him and his son got nailed for a loaded firearm in the truck. All they got was a fine. These jerks are no better off than that guy. I wish they had been banned from hunting, as well. I sure would feel a lot safer in the woods.

Re: 2002 Turkey Season

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Posted by bowhunter on December 09, 2001 at 08:32:45:

In Reply to: 2002 Turkey Season posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 17:14:29:

Has anyone heard about any new zones opening up. I'm particularly interested in any of the sub-zones of 69A. I bow hunt there and I put large flock of birds off thier roost the other morning on the way to my tree stand. On Friday afteroon just at dusk, I thought I had large buck headed my way, only to find myself surrounded by turkeys, preparing to roost. There's no season in this area yet but I am anxiously awaiting the year they do open it up. Also, anyone heard anything about a change to the regulations regarding noon hour end of day hunt. I filled out a questionaire last year regarding this issue.

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by BT on December 09, 2001 at 07:43:28:

In Reply to: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 11:56:32:

BBB , the gun is a cheap model ,My wife has one and the thing shoots a great pattern with the right shell, she has killed a number of turkey's with it and have seen her fold up a Tom out around the 35-40 yards last spring with No problem. As far as chokes, a gunsmith most times can add screw in chokes to anygun as long as the metal thickness is there. This could be a great gun if the price is right. The 870 is a great gun also, and with that model you have the option to add barrels with it , if you hunt birds and deer, they make slug barrels for the 870 as they don't for the Maverick. Keep in mind that Remington has also brought out cheap guns in the past , as the 788 rifles , they where the plain run of the mill rifle that the normal hunter would use , down the road they found that the 788 was one of the most accerate guns on the market, now there wirth money...BT

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by Matt on December 09, 2001 at 03:09:45:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 13:57:49:

Whatever you do, don't get into a winchester 1300 (unless you have lots of time to spend hanging out at the gunsmith). Look for a slightly used 870 express, or a wingmaster with a 28" barrel and choke tubes.

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by ace on December 08, 2001 at 23:23:13:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 13:57:49:

They are a cheap run of the mill gun. Good for someone just starting out or to take to the ol swamp. Not ment for real heavy use I wouldn't say. I have never seen one with choke tubes either, They tend to be either Mod. or full. I know a guy who bought one and was not real happy with it but keep it as he only duck hunts a couple times a year. Don't mean to discourage you, thats just what I know about them.

Re: Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by DUMB ASH DEER HUNTER on December 08, 2001 at 06:59:53:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

Nothing else to do but, shoot the dog & burn the house down!!!!!!!!!

It's a tough decision, do the above or get used to the smell.......good luck.

Re: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario?

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Posted by Brad on December 07, 2001 at 21:45:47:

In Reply to: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario? posted by Taz on December 06, 2001 at 17:33:28:

We had a group of canadas come through with 4 swans tailing them. Pretty interesting. Giant snow geese? just kidding.

anyone been to Luther or Darlington lately??

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Posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 14:53:16:

What's the scene... any birds, any hunters?

Re: Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by OnnO on December 07, 2001 at 14:28:54:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

Goooood luck Bent!

Think positively, you have cover sent for every thing in your house...even your hunting dog! Do you think you can keep the smell until next deer season? Gee, you save alot of $ and get more chance for deer. How about bow hunting? ;-)

...HeeHee!

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 13:57:49:

In Reply to: Re: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by Brent on December 07, 2001 at 13:10:18:

$150 sounds pretty good to me... but I haven't seen the condition. I'm looking for a 12 gauge in 3", hopefully with interchangeable chokes, or if fixed IC or mod. Ideally I'd like to get a Winchester 1300 or Remington 870, but there doesn't seem to be much out there in my price range (about $200 or less).

If you know anyone in the GTA let me know!

Thanks, BBB

Re: What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by Brent on December 07, 2001 at 13:10:18:

In Reply to: What do you think about Maverick 88 posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 11:56:32:

I have heard of them. What do you consider a good price??

Brent

What do you think about Maverick 88

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Posted by BBB on December 07, 2001 at 11:56:32:

Have a chance to buy a used Maverick Model 88 12 gauge pump for what seems like a good price, but I'm not familiar with the brand. I think they're made by Mossberg, but are cheaper than the Mossberg 500 series... Anybody know anything about these Maverick guns? Are they any good? Any feedback positive or negative would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Re: Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by Whack a quack on December 07, 2001 at 11:31:20:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

I have this tshirt as well. I have used a paste of charcol ashes, shampoo and water. The ashes act like activated carbon and absorb the smell. A couple of applications and FIDO should be fit to be around Good luck

Re: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario?

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Posted by dave on December 07, 2001 at 10:09:01:

In Reply to: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario? posted by Taz on December 06, 2001 at 17:33:28:

Haven't seen any snows around this year but have shot a few a couple of years ago.The odd years when you do see alot of them around it is usually because of a constant westerly wind that blows them over from their usual flight path.I've also shot a ross's goose and this year shot two cackling geese.

Re: Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by Goose Getter on December 07, 2001 at 08:42:03:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

There is a new shampoo out for dogs called SOS (skunk off shampoo)works really good and smells like a Pina Colada. Had this problem a few times. As for the house, I agree go to the super 8.

Re: Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by big bird on December 07, 2001 at 06:29:11:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

for the house.... open the windows turn down the heat and go to the SUPER 8...

try toothpaste on the dog , sounds dumn but works.

Re: Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by big bird on December 07, 2001 at 06:28:51:

In Reply to: Dog and skunk fight posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

for the house.... open the windows turn down the heat and go to the SUPER 8...

try toothpaste on the dog , sounds dumn but works.

Dog and skunk fight

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 23:53:56:

Gator dog just went toe to toe with a skunk. He won the fight, but you know what now!!!

He got into the house before I knew what happened. What a horrible smell. Any suggestions for getting the smell off the dog and out of the house. I know about tomato juice and hydrogen peroxide, but is there anything else.

Leaving Gator in the garage over night and will deal with him in the morning but I need to do something in the house now. Have lots of scented candles and incense burning. The Febreze is flying like crazy. Any other suggestions???

Thanks, Brent

Re: Hey BT

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Posted by BT on December 06, 2001 at 21:54:52:

In Reply to: Hey BT posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 19:34:46:

No , I brought up that Idea a couple of years ago , and I think the MNR would have lost money so they kept it that you can get the 2 anytime ...BT

Re: special season

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Posted by Ray on December 06, 2001 at 21:47:43:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by ace on December 06, 2001 at 20:52:04:

Ok so that's a start so u say if u are a land owner u are Gaurnanted a tag do u see a problem with this ? because I do,If the draw was held at the same time with the regular draw the land owners wood not be able to apply in two different area's if there is not enough aplicents then it' gose to second choice of wmu. The hunt is a week long now not just 3 day's like it used to be. Land owners in wmu 62 just an example are not gaurnated a tag so why should they have to compeat against a land owner from the specail season. no matter what happens with the tags it won't be fair anyway lol just a different point of view good luck hunting

Re: special season

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Posted by ace on December 06, 2001 at 20:52:04:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Ray Struthers on December 04, 2001 at 16:48:07:

They do get first dibs Ray. If you are a land owner you are gauranted a tag.

Re: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario?

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 19:38:29:

In Reply to: Re: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario? posted by barebow dude on December 06, 2001 at 17:43:55:

You will see the odd snow goose mixed in with a flock of migrant Canada's. Usually later in the season like this when the birds are on the move. We called a flock of migrants in a couple of weeks ago with a snow in the group, but it was the second last bird out and about 60 yards away.

I have eaten snows from James Bay which were not bad. Roasted the whole bird stuffed with apples and onions. I think a lot of it will depend on the diet of the bird, how far the bird has travelled and the age of the bird.

A lot more brant around than there used to be as well.

B.

Hey BT

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 19:34:46:

In Reply to: Re: 2002 Turkey Season posted by BT on December 06, 2001 at 19:31:31:

Thanks, I didn't realize it always opened the same date.

As far as the tags, I heard there was some talk about having an early season tag and a late season tag, or something similar to this??

Thanks, Brent

Re: 2002 Turkey Season

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Posted by BT on December 06, 2001 at 19:31:31:

In Reply to: 2002 Turkey Season posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 17:14:29:

Brent , allways opens on the April 25 th , and its two birds buy the tags over the counter...BT

Re: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario?

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Posted by YXE on December 06, 2001 at 19:01:47:

In Reply to: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario? posted by Taz on December 06, 2001 at 17:33:28:

Only seen a few snows around my area, but we do shoot them in Saskatchewan, not the best eating bird, we either do 1 of 2 things with them, 1- make jerky out of them or 2- cook them with butter and black pepper(cut them into cubes)leaving the middle alittle red.

YXE

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Posted by barebow dude on December 06, 2001 at 17:43:55:

In Reply to: Snow Geese in Southern Ontario? posted by Taz on December 06, 2001 at 17:33:28:

I shot a blue goose near lake st clair, and it indeed tasted blue. My buddy shot a snow last saturday and I also saw a flock of about 25 snows.

Snow Geese in Southern Ontario?

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Posted by Taz on December 06, 2001 at 17:33:28:

Last weekend while goose/duck hunting in the Flamborough area a flock of 15 or so geese began to decoy in as we were setting up the decoys for the evening hunt. The pick-up truck and the two idiots (us) walking around flared them )of course). On closer examination two of them were snow geese. They were a touch smaller than the Canadas and had the black wing tips. My question is has anyone harvested any of these birds in Southern Ontario? How did they taste?

This weekend approaching I will be ready!

Taz

2002 Turkey Season

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 17:14:29:

Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about what the opening date is or what the tag system will be like this year??

Thanks, Brent

Re: Justice - Pony hunter revisited

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Posted by Brent on December 06, 2001 at 14:58:46:

In Reply to: Justice - Pony hunter revisited posted by ab on December 06, 2001 at 11:43:30:

It looks good on the stupid idiot!! 7 months, $5000 fine and 3 years probation with a hunting ban.

Too many morons hunting these days. Obviously it doesn't take much to pass the safety course.

B.

Justice - Pony hunter revisited

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Posted by ab on December 06, 2001 at 11:43:30:

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/news/

Re: Trapping license

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Posted by Brad on December 05, 2001 at 22:02:35:

In Reply to: Trapping license posted by Don on December 05, 2001 at 19:20:45:

Take the trappers course I think its a week or so. Then you take a test with an MNR official. It might still be offerd through Sir Sandford Fleming College Frost Campus. I think they were usually running it in Febuary.

Trapping license

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Posted by Don on December 05, 2001 at 19:20:45:

What do I have to do,to get my Ontario trappers license. Thanks Don

Thanks

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Posted by Bow Nut on December 05, 2001 at 16:53:44:

In Reply to: Re: 870 super express magnum posted by Stephen on December 05, 2001 at 09:00:22:

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Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by Brent on December 05, 2001 at 10:10:19:

In Reply to: Re: Turkey choke? posted by OnnO on December 05, 2001 at 09:47:32:

Overall the after market chokes will be as good if not better than the factory chokes, normally. This is not to say that your Remington chokes will not work great. I have a Remington extra full I use on an 870 that works as good as any after market choke.

The after market chokes are good and the brand name chokes are good. You still have to pattern to find out. Start with the choke you already have. You may find it works great and you don't need to spend the extra money on another choke.

B.

Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by OnnO on December 05, 2001 at 09:47:32:

In Reply to: Turkey choke? posted by OnnO on December 04, 2001 at 10:55:27:

Thank you guys.

I know I need to pattern different choke/load/distant combination with my 870 to get the best result. But I just curious about how good are those third party chokes. Since they have to perform better than original brands to compete, and they're choke specialists(Are they?)too. Any idea?

Re: Anticosti Island deer hunt

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Posted by Nirmod on December 05, 2001 at 09:46:55:

In Reply to: Anticosti Island deer hunt posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:10:01:

There are many different options available in terms of length of hunt, type of hunt (horseback, ATV, etc.), American or European plan, time of year, etc. In addition, there are 5 different outfitters on the island, and although I would imagine that their pricing is similar, I can only speak for SEPAQ. We paid $2,600 (Cdn.) each for a 4 day hunt, including guide, meat processing and shipping, airfare and all food. I might point out that we went in November and that carries a $400 premium. Licence is extra and costs $300 and is available from the outfitter.

Re: 870 super express magnum

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Posted by Stephen on December 05, 2001 at 09:00:22:

In Reply to: 870 super express magnum posted by Bow Nut on December 04, 2001 at 20:06:31:

I've put through at least 100 rounds without a problem. I know 2 other friends that bought the same gun and have had no problems with afair bit of use. I bought the synthetic and have no regrets. I also have an old wingmaster , but I really like the shorter barrel and the peace of mind that I am not going to scratch up the stock.

Re: Rumors

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Posted by Bow Nut on December 04, 2001 at 20:12:02:

In Reply to: Rumors posted by Pete on November 30, 2001 at 14:04:44:

Some guy in Lanark apparantly harvested a big one that netted 206. It dressed out at 270 lbs. Saw the picture at a friends bow shop.

870 super express magnum

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Posted by Bow Nut on December 04, 2001 at 20:06:31:

In Reply to: Re: Turkey choke? posted by Stephen on December 04, 2001 at 15:30:23:

I am looking for a new gun and I had considered the same as you, but I am concerned being a pump it will be too long of an action for 3 1/2 inches. Good you tell me if you have had any problems with it.

Re: special season

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Posted by Ray Struthers on December 04, 2001 at 16:48:07:

In Reply to: special season posted by ace on December 02, 2001 at 22:42:49:

This looks like a big kettle of fish.But This is the way I see it. Ace you don't just hunt the special season right? And do not live in a speacial season zone.But Stephen That is the only area u deer hunt? My personal opion is that the tags should be given to residents In that area first.Then the tags should be given to people who still have a tag left from the rifle hunt.The one's that filled there tag should be at the bottom of the pole.The problem is That The draw for tags should be at the same time anterless tags are given out because that way if resident's want the tags they are not competing againts so many hunters this would elminate people that hunt in the shot gun hunt from applying in others area's as well .

Re: special season

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Posted by ace on December 04, 2001 at 16:18:44:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Gunnerman on December 04, 2001 at 11:25:26:

Some good points here. I don't have the perfect solution to the problem. Buying a tag was just a suggestion. I do think, as obviously do others that it would cut down on needless applying of tags by people who are not serious about the hunt. Anyway, thanks for your opinions, and thoughts.

Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by BT on December 04, 2001 at 16:14:49:

In Reply to: Re: Turkey choke? posted by Brent on December 04, 2001 at 13:56:00:

I've heard that Tru Glow makes a real good choke for that gun, next on the list is Hastings.

Brent , I have to say that you have gave very sound advice ...BT

Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by Stephen on December 04, 2001 at 15:30:23:

In Reply to: Turkey choke? posted by OnnO on December 04, 2001 at 10:55:27:

I have basically the same gun 870 super express magnum, bought it with the remington turkey choke. Patterning the gun using Winchester Supreme Double X magnum turkey loads 3 1/2 inch in #6 was the best pattern for me. At 30 yards, we were using targets printed off the computer. On a regular piece of paper it had 236 pellet holes, of which 50plus were on the head and neck of the turkey. Also tried the #5, but the 6's patterned the best in my gun. I have 2 other friends with the same gun, and we all decided on the same shel after trying 4 or 5 other's as well.

Re: special season

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Posted by Stephen on December 04, 2001 at 15:13:49:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Gunnerman on December 04, 2001 at 11:25:26:

I'll agree that the system is flawed. For example, In our controlled hunt are they offered all the extra tags. I found out that due to work I was not going to be able to hunt the whole week. no problem i know other people, wouldn't it be nice if they could buy a tag and hunt the same area. no go, it doesn't matter how many people or tags are picked up, unless you got your name in the draw by the date, you can't hunt. If there were 2000 tags and only 100 people applied, the way the rules are right now, no one else could get a tag after the draw deadline. I think they should change it that if they need to cull a certain number of deer, then so be it, sell that many tags.

I know the town council here would like that. Our group generally gets one or 2 deer each season on the drive home every evening. Most people don't know what to do with the deer after it has been hit. Simple, get a copy of the police report number, and gut it in the ditch.

If I only did this for the meat, I would get far more deer just cruising the roads without a firearm..

Re: Turkey choke?

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Posted by Brent on December 04, 2001 at 13:56:00:

In Reply to: Turkey choke? posted by OnnO on December 04, 2001 at 10:55:27:

I use a Briley extra full choke in my Benelli. I shoot Winchester Supreme Turkey loads in 3 inch #6. Different chokes and different shells will all perform differently. If you can borrow a couple different chokes to try and try a couple different kinds of shells you should be able to come up with what works best for you.

I would not shoot at anything past 35 yards personally. Taking a longer shot and risking wounding a bird and losing it is not worth the chance of maybe killing it. I have shot several birds all within 20 yards.

To me the hunt is about fooling the bird and seeing how close I can get them, as much as it is about pulling the trigger. If you are turkey hunting just to put a bird on the table, go to the grocery store, they are much cheaper there!!!

Just my thoughts, Brent

Re: special season

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Posted by Gunnerman on December 04, 2001 at 11:25:26:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Dave on December 04, 2001 at 10:32:27:

I do live in an area that has a controlled hunt (Whitby) but I pick my area to hunt in according to where my best chances of getting a tag are (there is a lot of choices using this method). I also can sympathize with the fact that if you don't get drawn (been there) you don't hunt during the controlled hunt. What I don't agree with is that if you are going to apply for this type of hunt only, why should you have to "compete" with others for a tag who have not spent a "penny" on buying a license (and LOTS of people probably don't even go if they get a tag ... maybe if everyone had to buy a license it would cut down on the numbers of people who apply (let alone those that have filled a tag already and don't even go) thus upping people like yourselfs chances of getting a tag.

It's a system that is far from perfect and can be manipulated by "unscrupulous" people.

If you moose hunt you will certainly know the frustrations of obtaining a tag. Lots of people have family members (who don't even hunt) buy a license and include them in their group application, then if that person gets picked, they have the tag transfered. We travel over 1600 km to moose hunt (Atikokan area) and do you think I really like paying $38 dollars in advance to find out that I can maybe only hunt calves??? There's a lot of money ($600-$1000 each) spent on plannning a trip in advance of even getting a tag (luckily we have a guaranteed pick that fits our group size with one person to spare) but again the system doesn't really seem "fair", but what can be done about it??

Not looking to pick a fight, just expressing how I feel that the "system" is flawed.

Turkey choke?

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Posted by OnnO on December 04, 2001 at 10:55:27:

I know it will be a few more months to go, but I just passed my Turkey hunting course last week and wanna to plan ahead of the season. I have a Rem 870 super mag. and wonder that a Rem extra-full choke or any third party's turkey choke is best for the toughest game bird? And what's your favourite load/range?

Thanx for all inputs.

Re: special season

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Posted by Dave on December 04, 2001 at 10:32:27:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Stephen on December 04, 2001 at 10:03:01:

That is my feelings exactly. When those of us in areas with a regular season apply for a doe tag and don't get one, we can still hunt bucks so our license is valid. If you had to buy a license for a controlled hunt and then didn't get pick, what did you buy a license? It would be good for absolutely nothing.

Re: special season

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Posted by Stephen on December 04, 2001 at 10:03:01:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Gunnerman on December 04, 2001 at 09:14:53:

It doesn't sound like you are in a controlled hunt area. I am and it sucks. When you purchase your license you know you are taking the week off to hunt deer (antlerless or not), when I apply for the controlled hunt, I am not guaranteed that I will be allowed to hunt. Should I have to pay for a license, and then not be allowed to hunt? IF I did and I did not get drawn, it would cost the ministry more (which means you and I) more money to refund my purchase. Believe me, living in a controlled hunt area is not a bonus. Count yourself lucky, you can guarantee a hunt every year, do not need to get a shotgun to shoot a deer (I personally would prefer to use my rifle), and by the meaning of a controlled hunt aree, they are limiting the number of hunters due to the large population of non hunters, limited hunting area and closeness to large urban areas.

Given your situation, i would gladly trade any time. Things always seem to be greener on the other side of the fence.

Re: special season

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Posted by Gunnerman on December 04, 2001 at 09:14:53:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Dave on December 04, 2001 at 02:32:06:

What part of this is it you fail to understand???

Why should I buy a license to rifle hunt deer before I know if I get chosen in the Antlerless draw ... but to enter a controlled hunt a person doesn't even have to have purchased a license??? Where is the "fairness" in that ... that's like not having to buy a lottery ticket unless you can already determine if you are going to win somethign with it. You should have to buy a license like the rest of us who apply to both the "regular" as well as "special" season hunts. If I am not successful in getting my antlerless tag during the rifle hunt, you would think that I should be able to get a refund of my license then ... yes, no, maybe????

By your own statement "all the more money in the taxman's coffers ..." I would suggest that you just contradicted yourself ... make them pay BEFORE applying and surely that would mean more money ... wouldn't it??? If it costs someone's time and money to process the application (whether it is just computer time or not) then surely SOMEONE (the people who have already PURCHASED a license???) is paying for this service ... why not make EVERYONE start off on a level playing field.

As for the "anti's" ... we shouldn't even need to get into what they are capable of pulling off in the way of "manipulating" the system. I hope you don't believe for one minute that they wouldn't be able to "exclude" legit hunters by flooding tag applications from people that aren't even interested in hunting. As for your statement "then that's their business, not mine!!" you really need to wake up and "smell the roses". If they ever cottoned on to the fact that this would be an easy way to "shut-out" all of us hunters, do you really think that being properly licensed is a hard thing to evercome.

Somehow from your statements I get the feeling that you maybe aren't really a "hunter" after all.

Just one guy's opinion on why I don't think it's "right" ... but then again, to each his own.

Re: special season

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Posted by Gunnerman on December 04, 2001 at 09:09:25:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Dave on December 04, 2001 at 02:32:06:

What part of this is it you fail to understand???

Why should I buy a license to rifle hunt deer before I know if I get chosen in the Antlerless draw ... but to enter a controlled hunt a person doesn't even have to have purchased a license??? Where is the "fairness" in that ... that's like not having to buy a lottery ticket unless you can already determine if you are going to win somethign with it. You should have to buy a license like the rest of us who apply to both the "regular" as well as "special" season hunts. If I am not successful in getting my antlerless tag during the rifle hunt, you would think that I should be able to get a refund of my license then ... yes, no, maybe????

By your own statement "all the more money in the taxman's coffers ..." I would suggest that you just contradicted yourself ... make them pay BEFORE applying and surely that would mean more money ... wouldn't it??? If it costs someone's time and money to process the application (whether it is just computer time or not) then surely SOMEONE (the people who have already PURCHASED a license???) is paying for this service ... why not make

Re: Anticosti Island deer hunt

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Posted by Mike on December 04, 2001 at 05:10:43:

In Reply to: Anticosti Island deer hunt posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:10:01:

Just out of curiosity, what would a hunt like that cost & are there special permits etc. required? Thanks in advance.

Re: Anticosti Island deer hunt

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Posted by Mike on December 04, 2001 at 05:10:31:

In Reply to: Anticosti Island deer hunt posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:10:01:

Just out of curiosity, what wouold a hunt like that cost & are there special permits etc. required? Thanks in advance.

Re: special season

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Posted by Dave on December 04, 2001 at 02:32:06:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by ace on December 03, 2001 at 21:12:36:

If the anti's are willing to sit thru a hunter safety course and pay for an exam and all of the other licensing, I doubt that paying for one more tag would stop them. Plus, if they want to apply and have the necessary licenses, then that's their business, not mine!! All the more money in the tax man's coffers that doesn't have to come from me!

Re: Something screwed up with this post

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Posted by BT on December 03, 2001 at 22:32:30:

In Reply to: Something screwed up with this post posted by Brad on December 03, 2001 at 20:40:39:

Congrats Brad , I seen the same thing in the Nov. hunt a doe on three legs sounds like ya had a good day ...BT

Re: special season

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Posted by ace on December 03, 2001 at 21:12:36:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 17:41:31:

Gunerman I agree thats not right. Who is to say the anti's don't apply for this very reason. I have heard of them doing this for moose tags so why wouldn't they do it for deer. Yes they are that extreme. Nimrod and Dave, this is why I brought up the fact that I thought you should have to pay for the tag anyway. This might avoid unnecessary applying of tags.

Something screwed up with this post

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Posted by Brad on December 03, 2001 at 20:40:39:

In Reply to: Re: honkers... posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:42:05:

I'll try this again..... I got into my stand late around 10 to 4 sat down and within 20 minutes a doe was running in front of me. She looked wounded so I wanted to harvest her even more. I only had one good lane to shoot. I watched TNN all weekend and the pro guys would call at the deer to get it to stop so they could shoot. So I called it didn't work but the deer veered left and came within 15 feet of me. I got up and kneeled forward and the doe didn't even move she was in some shrubs but I thought 100% I could make the shot. So I did and hit a branch but also hit the deer. I followed it with my scope(i know not supposed too), watched it go for about 200 yards, stop and start walking tail wagging and all, then it just instantly dropped. I waited about 20 minutes then went over. I hit her in the throat completly severing her jugular. Then I realized that she wasn't wounded she was a 3 legged doe, missing half of her hind leg. To top it off I walk out to get my buddy and not even 150 yards away an 11 pointer walked out then turned and walked back into some cedars, right where I usually hunt! But an amazing day and amzaing hunt I also got the biggest nicest green head I've ever shot this morning as well!

Re: honkers...

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Posted by Bob on December 03, 2001 at 19:00:39:

In Reply to: Re: honkers... posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 12:59:49:

Probably did more to raise your blood pressure than bother the deer. Still, he is an A hole, and (legal) revenge is sweet. Good luck catching him.

Re: honkers...

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:42:05:

In Reply to: Re: honkers... posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 14:59:29:

My understanding is that the definition of "interfering with a lawful hunt" is quite broad. I have certainly heard of such "pots and pans" type tactics resulting in charges in other jurisdictions (U.S.).

Anticosti Island deer hunt

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:10:01:

I have returned from a 4-day deer hunt on Anticosti Island. It was, to say the least, quite a hunt. Our group of 4 got 8 deer. I personally saw about 23 or 24 deer during the 4 days, not counting the ones we saw in and around town. The island is simply crawling with deer. It's like no other place I know of.

Re: PS - Don't forget about municipal by-laws

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 18:03:24:

In Reply to: PS - Don't forget about municipal by-laws posted by Kirk on November 22, 2001 at 09:08:43:

As we know, "hunting" has quite a broad definition, and a by-law prohibiting "hunting" in that area (city limits) could be your undoing.

Re: goose calling/ Rut

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 17:53:46:

In Reply to: goose calling/ Rut posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 13:05:58:

As far as the buck goes, if he is really nocturnal, these are your choices: 1. grunting/rattling, maybe even using a decoy; 2. put your stand as close to his bedding area as possible, along his travel trail; 3. try to go into his bedding area after him, either still hunting or a small drive.

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 17:48:15:

In Reply to: im back for a few days posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

My God! I was just about to send you an email about duck hunting and then I saw your post. (I have been away deer hunting and haven't been able to post in a while). What happened? It sounds like you were burglarized, but what's this about your house being destroyed?

I guess you haven't done any hunting lately.

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 17:46:16:

In Reply to: Re: im back for a few days posted by Mike on November 27, 2001 at 06:03:55:

Just for the record, guns (non-restricted) do not have to be stored in a gun safe; a trigger lock is sufficient.

Re: special season

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 17:41:31:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Dave on December 03, 2001 at 14:39:15:

Yeah, I have trouble following Gunnerman's logic. If his buddy is not successful in getting a tag, then he is not "eating" away a tag from anyone else. If he does get a tag and goes hunting, more power to him.

Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by Nimrod on December 03, 2001 at 17:00:43:

In Reply to: Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by Don on November 28, 2001 at 14:25:47:

Some very good points have been raised.

In my mind, the bottom line is that we are in the minority and, unfortunately, the rules that govern our activities are made by those who listen to the majority. Perception is reality; if enough people raise a stink about hunters doing something "wrong" or "bad", the politicos will do something about it. Let's not be ashamed of being hunters; be proud! But we have to be sensitive of what the majority will think of our actions (especially if you live near Ottawa!!!).

Re: special season

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Posted by Dave on December 03, 2001 at 14:39:15:

In Reply to: Re: special season posted by Gunnerman on December 03, 2001 at 10:55:40:

Why do you think you should have to buy a license before applying for the controlled hunt? If that is the only hunt you are interested in, and you don't get in, then you would have wasted your money on a license that you now can't use.

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Posted by Gunnerman on December 03, 2001 at 10:55:40:

In Reply to: special season posted by ace on December 02, 2001 at 22:42:49:

Even worse is the fact that you can apply (I have a buddy who has been doing this successfully for years) for the controlled hunt WITHOUT even having bought a deer license. If he isn't successful, he doesn't buy a license (doesn't gun/archery hunt at all). This eats up tags that people who have bought a license will not get a legitimate chance at. We are going this Wed/Thu/Fri and he needs to go and buy his license now ... this definitely isn't right!!!

Re: It's worth it- Check out...

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Posted by Mike on December 03, 2001 at 05:37:18:

In Reply to: It's worth it- Check out... posted by Matt on December 02, 2001 at 14:29:59:

Holy sh*t.......i'd never get any hunting done with her around but i'd be definitely spending a lot of time in the 'bush'!

special season

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Posted by ace on December 02, 2001 at 22:42:49:

I am a little ticked off at the way the special season tags are distributed. We have got tags for the past 4 years and this year nothing. Which is fine, I realize you can't get tags every year. However its the way they give them out that has me miffed. It is suposed to be an extra season so why no extra tag? They don't actualy give you an extra tag for the hunt, they give you a sticker to put on you excisting tag. So there for if you amd your hunting partners have already used your game seal on a deer then you are out of luck for the shotgun hunt. So mathamaticaly, if every person who gets a tag for the shoygun hunt has already used there seal on a deer previously it is possable that not a sole will have a tag left for the shotgun hunt. So why then do they not have some other system? I realise that we pay enough for licences already but I would be willing to pay 20 bucks for one of these tags. By doing this it would eliminate a lot of guys who only apply because they can. I know guys who apply and don't even have property to hunt and guys like me who would go try to get that big buck that has eluded me so many times in the archery season. Anyway, I guess I am just bitter because we have been chasing this big guy for some time now and some chump could wander in there during the shot gun hunt and stumble upon him and its all over. Any thoughts?

It's worth it- Check out...

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Posted by Matt on December 02, 2001 at 14:29:59:

In Reply to: An On line Hunting store in Ontario posted by BT on November 29, 2001 at 21:46:37:

If you visit this site, make sure you don't miss the 'Tiffany Profant' Prostaff pages... She's a hottie that like to kill things.

Re: Tarp or Not to Tarp !

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Posted by Gord on December 01, 2001 at 08:49:27:

In Reply to: Tarp or Not to Tarp ! posted by BT on November 28, 2001 at 16:07:17:

If it might offend just one voter in each riding in the upcoming political battle over the future of hunting waged by peta and others then lets not snub those who are squeemish. Whether they are honest about their relationship with meat or not, they vote and so many ridings are decided by thin amounts. Tarp and try to influence on your own turf.

Rumors

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Posted by Pete on November 30, 2001 at 14:04:44:

I heard a rumor that Rick Foss's Ontario record for archery deer has fallen. Has anybody heard anything to verify this?

An On line Hunting store in Ontario

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Posted by BT on November 29, 2001 at 21:46:37:

Here's something that may intrest you in Ottawa they have an On line Hunting store with lots of neet things www.canadiancamo.com check it out, it will surprise you...BT

Re: What about Insurance company's

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Posted by Ray on November 29, 2001 at 15:19:00:

In Reply to: Re: What about Insurance company's posted by Don on November 29, 2001 at 08:23:32:

I think u are right don sure wasn't the hunters that got us the extra tags it was the farmers and the Insurance company's To many car acidents and crop damage. Them big company's hate paying out money.

Re: Dirty Little Secret....

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Posted by Kirk on November 29, 2001 at 13:18:31:

In Reply to: Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by Concerned Carnivore on November 28, 2001 at 10:13:29:

I couldn't agree more with your comments. I have to assume the woman who wrote the editorial comment was NOT a vegetarian or else she would have stated this in her letter.

It occurs to me that it's OK to see a steer or chicken in the farm yard and it's OK to see a steak or drumstick neatly wrapped on a styrofoam tray in the supermarket. But everything that happens in between these two stages of processing meat has become a "dirty little secret" that's too horrific to talk about. It's a phenomenon that occurs after many generations of city dwellers become isolated from the realities of life.

If someone doesn't have the ability to kill and clean an animal themselves, that's fine with me. But if you eat meat and then criticize the person who gave you the steak, you are a hypocrite.

Why is it acceptable for a lion, bear, wolf, etc. to eat meat but not humans? When did we stop being part of nature, part of the food chain and part of the ecosystem of this plant?

City dwellers are really losing their grasp of the realities of life. All you have to do is (force yourself to) watch an episode of Survivor. These city slickers couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. If it doesn't come out of a can, bottle or box, they'll starve. And I say "Let them!"

Let's all move to Alaska!

Kirk

Re: What about Insurance company's

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Posted by BT on November 29, 2001 at 10:33:51:

In Reply to: What about Insurance company's posted by Ray on November 28, 2001 at 22:27:53:

Well you asked ! lol These companies are doing the opposite, I have lost so much properties for hunting ,because the anti's have got them changed to think that everyone is being shot and it a big chance to to take to allow hunting. Most times it Ownwers of Big time property with money. I myself had bought 175 acres and wanted to get Liabity on it , one of the first things that went with the policy was NO HUNTING ! What thats what I bought it for, wasn't long telling them where to shove there policy !...BT

Re: What about Insurance company's

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Posted by Don on November 29, 2001 at 08:23:32:

In Reply to: Re: What about Insurance company's posted by Mike on November 29, 2001 at 06:07:48:

I believe the insurance companies have been pushing the MNRfor a couple of years now to increas tag numbers.Some of the second tags and extended seasons are a result of pressure from the OPP and the insurance companies. Don

Re: What about Insurance company's

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Posted by Mike on November 29, 2001 at 06:07:48:

In Reply to: What about Insurance company's posted by Ray on November 28, 2001 at 22:27:53:

I think you're dreaming!!!!!!!!!!

What about Insurance company's

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Posted by Ray on November 28, 2001 at 22:27:53:

Ok this might sound a little crazy but give me some feed back on this.If something becomes law in ontairo who usually pushes for it the seatbelts, drinking and driveing.Airbags in cars,Flue Shots,ect it's the Insurace company's that push for these kind of things to save money.So why can't we as hunters get some of their suport how many cars would get recked if we Quit hunting for just two years how many lives would be lost in those car aceidents. It's to bad that We as hunters could not get some suport like that to help us keep in the game.IF all the hunters told their Insurane company they should get a discount or they would Quit hunting what do u think would happen. Do u think We as hunters would stand a chance If we stood together.do u think that the Insurance company's could get the goverment to back of on things that cost the hunters unnessasary money.ex firearms registration. Don't hold back tell me what u think

Re: Tarp or Not to Tarp !

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Posted by Don on November 28, 2001 at 18:33:27:

In Reply to: Re: Tarp or Not to Tarp ! posted by Ray on November 28, 2001 at 16:57:10:

I agree with you Ray. Kids definatly need to be informed about some of the issues surrounding hunting.If you look at some of the literature available in classrooms across the province you start to understand where some peoples opinions begin "bambi".Why do some teachers question a student being out of school for a week to go deer hunting but bend over backwards to assist the student that is going on a ski trip or to florida?I also agree with B.T we as hunters should not hide the fact that we are hunters but we should not flaunt it either.Don

Re: Tarp or Not to Tarp !

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Posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 17:00:41:

In Reply to: Tarp or Not to Tarp ! posted by BT on November 28, 2001 at 16:07:17:

Good points. The only problem is that your average city slicker will not see the wisdom of your ways. They will be too outraged to think rationally or to listen to you explain the good things about hunting, and they will align themselves with animal rights groups and write angry letters to newspapers and politicians and the politicians will do what they do best, which is to do something, anything... and pretty soon your government won't be selling you a hunting license anymore. We are a minority, and being in someone's face when they don't want you there, is not the best way to earn support or tolerance. If someone finds out that you are a personable fellow, and then they find out you hunt, and then you have them over for some roast venison, well then your making some headway. If someone is cruising Yonge Street, on a Saturday at noon, with a deer in the back of the pick up, then they are either making a political statement (and maybe not a very effective one), which I can respect, or else you are none too bright. I'm not saying these people are right to be ticked off at you for having your game out in the open, just that hunters are crazy if they think that this will actually help an already tense relationship.

Re: Tarp or Not to Tarp !

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Posted by Ray on November 28, 2001 at 16:57:10:

In Reply to: Tarp or Not to Tarp ! posted by BT on November 28, 2001 at 16:07:17:

There are some really good letters on this post about this topic. I feel that we as hunters need to look at teaching are kidds to have better answer's to question's on are play ground and in public about these kind of topic's .Because if we can start the ball rolling with us as parents having the right answer's then are kidd's will too.For Example! do u hunt ? yes why? Because i enjoy the sport and the meat.Well that's gross well do u eat chicken yes what's the difference. If we can start to give locical answers to there Question before we loses are temmpers myself included then we won't have to feel ashamed about being hunter's.Because that's the last thing I want myself or my kidds to feel because they went hunting with their dad. I know All of us are tired of this kind of crap I just hope that we can find away to win this battle.Before the only one's that can hunt are the natives'

Tarp or Not to Tarp !

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Posted by BT on November 28, 2001 at 16:07:17:

I don't think going out of anyones way to hide your game that you shot under a tarp is going to help a thing , All your doing is catering to the Anties , if they don't like it , easy, "Don't look" . I buy a Tag to hunt when the Goverment tells me too, they don't pay for it , and if I Kill something Legal then I feel dam proud of it. We as hunters have to start standing up for our right ! to Hunt weather the other party likes it or not. Its the same as this Harvest Game "junk" We changed the way we talked to make them happy , and they still got our Spring Bear hunt. Stand up for your self ! "We Killed the animal" The more we cater to these people the more they walk on us. I have hunting All over my truck and have for 6-7 years , and never had a problem yet,no one has ran me off the road ! and guess what I carry my game in the back ,untarped....BT

Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by Don on November 28, 2001 at 14:25:47:

In Reply to: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:03:15:

I would have to agree that a tarp is a good idea in urban settings,out of sight out of mind.In a rural setting I see no problem with displaying game,however it can come with consequences.Hunters in my area thought they would show the landowners their kills,the lady was shocked by the animals and they never hunted there again.Respecting others is important but it is a two way street.Last year a group of car enthusiasts from the city pulled over in front of my bush lot climbed the fence(at the No TRESSPASSING sign)and procceded to cut the blooms of of my apple trees to take home.I stopped to see if they needed help,I asked one lady for her address so I could go and pick flowers on her front yard.Did these people respect my rights as a landowner? I think as hunters we should act accordingly to the situation thatwe find ourselves faced with and act accordingly.Don

Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by Big Bird on November 28, 2001 at 11:46:52:

In Reply to: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:03:15:

May we look at New York and Penn state. Here deer hunting is accepted. A good reason is that they have become a problem. Just drive the thruway and tally up the carcussed after a weekend. Residents of these state recongnize the need for harvesting deer. You still see in the rural areas the openess of showing your kill, but when we reach you reach the burbs there is some resemtment given to the RED NECKS.

My 2 $ worth.

Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 10:53:43:

In Reply to: Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by Stephen on November 28, 2001 at 10:33:41:

I think people should see this stuff too, but they should choose to see it. The worrying about what to tell her kid is B.S., it's her that cannot deal with it. However forcing it upon people is not going to help our image and it gives them an excuse to write nasty letters to newspapers about what a bunch of insensitive, cruel, louts we are. I think it is a very positive thing to ask people, "do you want to come over and see my deer/moose", especially kids who have a natural curiousity about things, and a lot less societal baggage. If they say no, then that is their choice and I can respect that, providing they respect my choices.

I totally agree with you. No msg.

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Posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 10:42:31:

In Reply to: Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by Concerned Carnivore on November 28, 2001 at 10:13:29:

No Msg.

Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by Stephen on November 28, 2001 at 10:33:41:

In Reply to: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:03:15:

I'm stuck in the middle of this one. I agree with the 'not flaunting it' attitude, but the other concern i have is with hiding the fact htat we are hunters. Whenver I come home with a moose or deer, i've made it a point to get all the folks in the neighbourhood to come out an see it (especially the kids). To be honest there are not many hunters in the area, but everyone know that i do.

I really think the declining numbers in hunting are directly connected to the fact that we have to go underground with our activity.

kind of like the folks downtown with fur coats, they have them but are afraid to wear them in public.

Re: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by Concerned Carnivore on November 28, 2001 at 10:13:29:

In Reply to: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:03:15:

While yes, I do feel that this lady has a point I feel I have to object to her statements. Yes, as hunters we have to try to keep as positive a profile as we can in the eye of the public, or we'll lose even more than we already have. BUT... is this lady a vegetarian? Just because a dead cow is disguised as a roast beef it's still bloody flesh! It's very easy for people to judge hunters, ruthless murderers that we are, but unless she's a vegetarian she should wise up a little. The sight of a truckload of deer carcasses pales in comparison to the horrors of a stockyard. Why can't these people explain to their kids that animals have gotta be killed if you want to eat meat! Why doesn't she explain how a chicken is killed at one of the processesers? Or is it too horrific to know that a chicken's sad, cage-raised life ended not suddenly, but likely while it was being plucked alive. And you know what? When I was a kid, even though I came from a non-hunting family, my sisters and I were always fascinated to see trucks rolling through town with their trophies during moose season. I don't ever recall being shocked/scared/horrified... even though mom & dad didn't hunt they told us about what hunting was all about and we always held a great respect for it. If parents could just educate their kids a little they wouldn't have to worry about scarring them for life simply because they saw a dead animal! Somehow I think the kid in this story has very little to do with mom's concern, rather it's her own shock and horror of realizing that she is a meat-eating hypocrite... and people like that don't like being shown who they really are!!!

Here's the link...

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Posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:04:11:

In Reply to: Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour! posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:03:15:

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/letters/story.asp?id={AE33D4C2-056F-4852-9A6E-B45F027EE6F1}

Buy a Tarp - Do us a Favour!

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Posted by ab on November 28, 2001 at 09:03:15:

Though I don't completely agree with the tone of this letter, I have to question the intelligence of a hunter who drives through a major urban centre with dead deer out in the open for all to see. Tarps are cheap, got mine for under $5. Let's not give these people any more "ammunition", by which to further malign the reputation of hunters.

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by Kern on November 27, 2001 at 16:55:07:

In Reply to: im back for a few days posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

Good to see you back online Chessy...

Kern

Re: Whats up with all the lady bug ??

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Posted by Billy Bug on November 27, 2001 at 16:44:16:

In Reply to: Whats up with all the lady bug ?? posted by BOSSTOM on November 27, 2001 at 16:03:47:

I heard the following story: There was a huge hatch of aphids back in September. These little bugs destroy crops and and are generally difficult to inhale (I don't know if you experienced the same stuff we did in T.O., but the air was thick with them at times). They (who I don't know) introduced the "Chinese Lady Bugs" to destroy the aphids. Supposedly these guys are harmless and will die off when there are no more aphids.

Re: Whats up with all the lady bug ??

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Posted by chessy on November 27, 2001 at 16:39:46:

In Reply to: Whats up with all the lady bug ?? posted by BOSSTOM on November 27, 2001 at 16:03:47:

due to the abundance of aphids this year the lady bugs had a wonderfull hatch you will see a die off of them in the spring due to not enuff food for them all. the one good thing about it is that there will be few aphids next year ps lady bugs can bite as well the turkeys should have had a wonderfull fall with all the bugs avalibel to eat it is going to be a good spring

Whats up with all the lady bug ??

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Posted by BOSSTOM on November 27, 2001 at 16:03:47:

They are everywhere , I have heard so many stories about them , I think we have a problem on our hands , Lady bugs don't died in freezing weather , so whats going to happen next spring. Anyone else having this problem ??...BT

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by Mike on November 27, 2001 at 06:03:55:

In Reply to: im back for a few days posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

Sorry to hear about your losses. Not to put you down, but why were the guns not stored in a gun safe????? What did the police have to say about it??? Where you charged with unsafe storage??? Just wondering..........Mike

LEASE PROPERTY TO DEER BOWHUNT

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Posted by Big John on November 26, 2001 at 22:05:00:

2 EXPERIENCED DEER BOWHUNTERS LOOKING TO LEASE OR OBTAIN PERMISION TO BOWHUNT DEER IN THE METCALFE/KARS/LETRIM AND WINCHESTER AREA (SOUTH OF OTTAWA). PLEASE IF NOW OF SOMEONE WE COULD CONTACT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by Brad on November 26, 2001 at 19:57:23:

In Reply to: Re: im back for a few days posted by Don on November 25, 2001 at 20:31:58:

Somebody watched my buddy unload his guns into his new house in hamilton and broke in the next day, took everygun and stereo equipment. The following day the local gun shop dealer called the cops on two guys trying to sell him guns with no pals at bargain prices. BUSTED, he got all his guns back. If I were you I strongly recommend contacting local shops and let them be aware of the two antiques. Good luck

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by sparky on November 26, 2001 at 19:21:55:

In Reply to: im back for a few days posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

Nice to see you back with us J!!

sparky

WANTED: 12 Gauge 3"

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Posted by Cloudy on November 26, 2001 at 17:37:05:

Wanted to buy: Used 12 gauge, prefereably in the less than $200 price range. 3" chambered prefered. Have PAL. Double, Pump, or Semi. No fixed full chokes wanted. Please post message or email me.

Thanks

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by dave on November 26, 2001 at 12:40:54:

In Reply to: im back for a few days posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

Sorry to hear about your loss.I don't know you personally but if you have any serial no.s or any distinctive markings let us know and I'll keep my eyes open in around here. dave

Re: Ducks???

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Posted by Kirk on November 26, 2001 at 12:02:58:

In Reply to: Ducks??? posted by Brent on November 25, 2001 at 07:38:54:

Took my 9 years old son out Saturday morning. Weather report called for clouds but it was a bluebird day. Lots of black and whites flying but all refused to even take a second look at our deeks.

A lone bufflehead came into range (barely) and I took one shot but missed. My son was astonished at the number of ducks that got up off the lake after that shot. It was like a seen out of an Audubon documentary.

Hopefully we'll have better luck next week.

Kirk

Ducks

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Posted by Ivan on November 26, 2001 at 09:21:49:

Hi, I am wondering if there are any duck hunting reports for Luther or Hullet marsh.

Thanks Ivan.

Re: controlled

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Posted by Hunter on November 26, 2001 at 09:16:40:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Fischer on November 26, 2001 at 08:20:34:

Yep change is propbably due. The guys who we were hunting with had theyre stands in there for years. They saw 1 deer total. We got away from them to about 200 acres they wouldnt hunt because they couldnt get theyre quads in. Deer had them patterned quickly!

Both of us saw deer on every sitting. It was supposedly a bad year on the island from everyone ive talked too. It was the most deer ive ever seen while hunting. Cant wait to see what a good year is like!

Re: controlled

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Posted by Fischer on November 26, 2001 at 08:20:34:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Hunter on November 24, 2001 at 01:35:16:

Believe it or not, we got skunked! The deer must be wise to the stands, but I don't see how, they've got 4 bow-hunting this year (maybe that's it). Heard them moving around the bush near the stands and found fresh tracks 5 yards beyond where we could see. Couple guys saw flags but not enough animal to shoot at.

We saw 15 deer - all during the 1/2 mile drive from our hunting grounds to the cabin we were staying at. Included one really heavy 6 point that chased a doe across the road in front of us as we went back for lunch on Tuesday.

Guess we'll have to change tactics next year. Oh, well, I still have one kick at the can in the controlled muzzle-loader hunt down here.

Re: im back for a few days

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Posted by Don on November 25, 2001 at 20:31:58:

In Reply to: im back for a few days posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

Sorry to hear about your loss Chessy,and wishing you a speedy recovery with you back. Don

Re: Ducks???

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Posted by sparky on November 25, 2001 at 18:01:05:

In Reply to: Ducks??? posted by Brent on November 25, 2001 at 07:38:54:

I have been out a ferw times and have got a couple of ducks. There are still a ton of geese around as well. I have been seeing a bunch of mallards still around as well.

Sparky

Bushnell Scope

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Posted by Sid on November 25, 2001 at 14:10:01:

Any one out there interested in buying a scope. It's a Bushnell 3-9 X 32. Very good condition. Drop a note.

im back for a few days

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Posted by chessy on November 25, 2001 at 10:13:06:

im back to the computer again it is not mine just a borrowed one i had every thing stolen on holloween night guns computers and my house totaly destroyed ( i didnt think it could be haveing 3 small children) i am going to be offering a 1000 bucks for the return of my guns the insurance is going to cover them i hope but 2 guns were my wifes grandmothers and canot be replaced with money they are as follows a 38-55 back powder lever acton marlin and a modes 39 .22 cal marlin . to say the least i went hunting and fell and they think that i have chiped my spine so i have not done anything in a week and a half thank god i have bowrroed the computer . hope everyone is haveing a better season than me

Re: goose calling/ Rut

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Posted by bowhunter on November 25, 2001 at 09:16:26:

In Reply to: goose calling/ Rut posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 13:05:58:

Rut seems to be slowing in my area. Was out yesterday morning (beautifil day), and saw 10 deer, but only one buck. He hurried past me at a long distance. Tried to grunt him in, but he payed no attention. At one point I had 6 does and fawns almost directly under my stand. I am trying to hold out for a good buck. However, if that happens in a couple of weeks, I think I'd probably take one of the does. I would have thought if the rut was still going at full strength, I would have seen more bucks trailing all of those does. Note that I also had two cyotes, go by first thing on the morning. After they went by me they started barking and yelping for about 20 minutes. That may have spooked some deer away.

Ducks???

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Posted by Brent on November 25, 2001 at 07:38:54:

Just wondering how everyone is making out. It appears that some of the bluebills have left the areas we hunt. Lots of goldeneye, bufflehead, and mallards around still.

Be safe, Brent

oops... bad link

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Posted by Eric on November 24, 2001 at 22:08:42:

In Reply to: Re: goose calling/ Rut posted by Eric on November 24, 2001 at 22:06:02:

Sorry about that...

Nick's Homepage

Re: goose calling/ Rut

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Posted by Eric on November 24, 2001 at 22:06:02:

In Reply to: goose calling/ Rut posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 13:05:58:

Brad,

I can't help you a lot with the goose calling (in need of some help myself), but I can help with the trail timer. It just so happens that I make 'em as a hobby. I have a recent prototype that I need to test, so if it's on secure, private land & reasonably close to Scarborough, you're welcome to try it. Check your email, I've sent some pics there. Otherwise, follow the link to Sparky's website & check out his photo archive for some additional shots.

< a href="http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/7032/">Nick's Homepage

Re: goose calling/ Rut

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Posted by Hunter on November 24, 2001 at 20:08:10:

In Reply to: goose calling/ Rut posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 13:05:58:

My buddy just grunted in a huge 11 point on thursday. It came to his grunt call at 12:30 in the afternoon. After 3 bad days of weather the deer were active checking scrape lines and bedding areas.

Re: sling shot, stones, bare hands

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Posted by wicket on November 24, 2001 at 07:41:18:

In Reply to: sling shot, stones, bare hands posted by Leon on November 22, 2001 at 04:36:56:

Just how bad to you need to kill these things. Maybe you should try HUNTING?

Re: controlled

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Posted by Hunter on November 24, 2001 at 01:35:16:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Fischer on November 16, 2001 at 14:08:00:

Well how did you do? I personally was skunked, missed a 280 yarder on a nice buck crossing a pasture. My buddy on the other hand took a huge 10 pointer, as of 2:00 friday it was the best buck the mnr had seen at the check station! I green scored him at just under 160.

Re: Wolf hunting ban

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Posted by Stu on November 22, 2001 at 22:19:36:

In Reply to: Wolf hunting ban posted by Big Bird on November 21, 2001 at 20:47:38:

This has been an issue with the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters and their affiliated clubs, also the Ontario Sporting Dog Association. Additional info on their web pages. I'd love to run coyotes with my hounds, not sure I'd only want two hounds on a timberwolf.Mortality also comes from trains, and cars, however no mention of banning them!

Re: goose calling/ Rut

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Posted by BW on November 22, 2001 at 19:21:44:

In Reply to: goose calling/ Rut posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 13:05:58:

on the goose calling thing if its a bigriver I have never heard it being custom, second get a short reed, but if you really want to go flute, try saying tooooo--Wittt hard to explain but you just want to get a long honk out of it..

goose calling/ Rut

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Posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 13:05:58:

I bought a long honker custom. It sounds amazing and the tape is very helpful but I still can't seem to get the greeting call down. Does anyone have any tips on how they call. Also I was out checking a couple mock scrapes I made two days ago and they buck on my yard is tearing the place up. Trees rubbed top to bottom and lots of series of scrapes. The only problem is he's very nocturnal. Any suggestions on harvesting this monster. What about mid day bucks do you think he might care to these lines during the day? Any body know where to purchase some fairly cheap trail timers. Thanks in advance Brad

Re: honkers...

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Posted by Brad on November 22, 2001 at 12:59:49:

In Reply to: Re: honkers... posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 14:59:29:

Cop said we have to catch them in the act. They warned him though. And I guess it sunk in his thick head. Now when he drives by he nods at me like nothing happened. Still man how much I'd like revenge. That was just petty they get like 5-8 deer a year and have to push are tiny lot compared to theres. Maybe it shows which yard is doing better deer management. Seeing that theres alot more on our two yards than theres. Next year I'm staying out the entire night before waiting for them to F... up. That will be sweet. Honkers don't help the deer in anyway. They honk and the deer don't even look. I was thinking about just going to talk to them, I mean they are my neighbors. But I was also going to thank them for giving me some humor on those long cold mornings!

Re: PS - Don't forget about municipal by-laws

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Posted by Gunnerman on November 22, 2001 at 12:28:39:

In Reply to: PS - Don't forget about municipal by-laws posted by Kirk on November 22, 2001 at 09:08:43:

Years ago (10+???) there was an interesting article in the Toronto Star that dealt with this situation. It was (and probably still is) located in those obscure old bylaws that nobody ever reads. It went into detail about how it was LEGAL and how it could be done, in regards to taking urban wildlife (within the Metro Toronto boundaries) mainly with PRIMITIVE WEAPONS try and define that ... sling shots, rocks, sticks, clubs, baseball bats, golf clubs???)

Look at the recent case of the "Tent people" taking squirrels, geese, etc. The biggest outcry was that the season on these animals was CLOSED and that the people taking these animals did not have the proper licenses ... but notice how it just seemed to fade away???

If one could research the bylaws, you would probably be able to find it listed in them.

The standard reply you will get from the MNR is that if the season is open and you are properly licensed ... it is OK to take game ... BUT you must check with local BYLAWS regarding firearms and such (like anyone short of a lawyer is going to really be able to decipher this stuff anyways) and you will NEVER get a definitive answer.

Again I say, if you are going to do it, make sure you have all your "ducks in a row" so to speak, and keep it on the sly.

Chow for now.

Re: Wolf hunting ban--read all about it...

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Posted by bg on November 22, 2001 at 09:25:21:

In Reply to: Wolf hunting ban posted by Big Bird on November 21, 2001 at 20:47:38:

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/pubs/wolf_report_opt.pdf

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/csb/news/nov6nr01.html

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/csb/news/nov6fs01.html

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/csb/news/nov6fs201.html

PS - Don't forget about municipal by-laws

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Posted by Kirk on November 22, 2001 at 09:08:43:

In Reply to: Try it and find out! posted by Kirk on November 22, 2001 at 09:03:32:

I think you might run afoul of municipal by-laws if you plan to use a slingshot or pellet gun within city limits. Some cities may even have specific by-laws dealing with the harming of any animals (e.g. pigeons) within city limits.

Kirk

Try it and find out!

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Posted by Kirk on November 22, 2001 at 09:03:32:

In Reply to: sling shot, stones, bare hands posted by Leon on November 22, 2001 at 04:36:56:

Unless a precedent has been set by the courts on this subject, there's really no way of knowing how the courts would rule.

There are some rules about what you cannot use for hunting (e.g. a firearm that shoots a single projectile), but I'm not aware of any rules that state "you may only hunt for migratory birds using....". Therefore, if it went to court, you would probably have to argue that whatever you were doing (e.g. using a nine iron) constitutes "hunting". If you were stalking an animal and killed it with a knife or your bare hands, you might have a chance of winning since this technique would probably fit most people's perception of hunting. However, swinging a nine iron at a semi-domesticated goose might be a bit of a stretch to qualify as hunting.

I have not had a chance to investigate, but you could check out the "E-Laws Web Site" at the address below and then seach for the migratory birds act or the provincial hunting regulations. Not sure exactly where you'd find the clauses that specify what constitutes a legal method of "hunting" an animal.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/home_E.asp?lang=en

Good luck and let us know if you find any regulations relevant to this discussion.

Kirk

Nuisance Wildlife

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Posted by Brent on November 22, 2001 at 07:15:00:

In Reply to: Stupid Question posted by Sid on November 20, 2001 at 21:49:46:

I went for a goose shoot on a golf course once. We shot them over the water traps. The golf course wanted the geese out and there was as open season, so away we went. Stood behind a golf cart. Not real sporting, but interesting never the less. More like shooting "live" sporting clays.

As well there is know a section under the Fish and Game Conservation Act dealing with nuisance wildlife. If wildlife is causing damge to property it can be destroyed by the land owner or an agent of the landowner. Check with the MNR first though.

I killed a bunch of comorants that were nesting on our island and destroying the trees with the permission of the MNR.

Brent

sling shot, stones, bare hands

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Posted by Leon on November 22, 2001 at 04:36:56:

In Reply to: Re: Stupid Question posted by Braden on November 20, 2001 at 21:59:20:

I was wondering about silmilar things: What if I kill a goose with stone in Toronto on lake shore? What if I take a sling shot and kill a duck in nearby park? (I can put 3 balls in the sling - so it won't be single proj.) I could've caught a duck with my bare hands ones - is it legal?

Leon

Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail???

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Posted by Braden on November 21, 2001 at 22:54:30:

In Reply to: Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail??? posted by Andy_P on November 21, 2001 at 07:45:22:

Well, as a result of my posting to ask Matt if he'd like to go to long point on Friday, I recieved an e-mail (yes I know this is how you'd prefer I correspond) from another regular on this board asking for a bit of info, I was happy to tell him what I knew, so perhaps at least one person was interested. Furthermore, you seem to be the only one bothered by it... I say only you, because when someone won't lay their name on me when their complaining, I don't take em seriously, regardless wether or not they are a high tech computer wizard. And listen brother, I really don't feel like dumping on you, and truthfully have nothing against you, but......... There is pretty much no chance that I'll stop posting the odd personal post on the board unless Andy Rubasczek himself asks me to! And to quote my mental kindred Mr. Forrest Gump "thats all I have to say about tha-at" Take care,

Braden

Re: Wolf hunting ban

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Posted by glenn on November 21, 2001 at 22:24:26:

In Reply to: Wolf hunting ban posted by Big Bird on November 21, 2001 at 20:47:38:

I believe the study by John Theberge determined that out-of-park mortality was a very serious threat to the long term viability of the Algonquin wolf population. Apparently the mortality occurred when wolves followed deer to winter yards outside the Park boundary was reducing the population to potentially dangerous levels. Is a hunting ban the proper step? It's a controverisal issue with no easy answers. I'd say more research is needed before a definitive solution to the issue can be reached.

Wolf hunting ban

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Posted by Big Bird on November 21, 2001 at 20:47:38:

While on my deer hunting trip I heard a radio news annoucemnt on a proposal to ban the hunting of wolves all adjacent townships boardering Algonquin Park.

My question to readers has any one else heard of any proposals on this subject?

As I have property in an adjacent township I feel compelled to carry a torch to appose this law. My stand, is that I do not target animals that I can not use as table fare. In other words I do not hunt wolves , or coyotes.

If the wolves cannot survive in the area bound by the boundaries of the park, then how can a funded study from the University of Waterloo make any rational theory that by expanding the boundary of Algonquin Park they will flurish. To me this is another step by animal activists on the reduction of hunting.

I always say the you need to crawl before you walk, and this is what I read in this proposal if it is make its way to legislation.

I need your input to write our MPP.

Jack

Re: Hunter's Image?

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Posted by Big Bird on November 21, 2001 at 20:14:25:

In Reply to: Re: Hunter's Image? posted by ab on November 21, 2001 at 08:58:50:

Very well put! There are good and bad among every organization. Lets maintain a high standard, show the ethics of the sport of hunting, educate the importance of this profile to the "spoils" in our organization and others outside our sport. The "bad" with enough pressure will conform to our standards or go on to fields they feel more confortable in, and the others outside our sport will hopefully leave us alone.

Re: Stupid Question

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Posted by Sid on November 21, 2001 at 16:35:35:

In Reply to: Re: Stupid Question posted by Kern on November 21, 2001 at 13:18:19:

I didn't mean killing it with a golf ball. I meant what if you hit it with a nine iron!!!!!!!

Re: Firearms going to U.S.

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Posted by BOSSTOM on November 21, 2001 at 16:20:33:

In Reply to: Re: Firearms going to U.S. posted by P-Neck on November 21, 2001 at 09:12:02:

I was down for a Fall Turkey and a Deer hunt with the Bow, It was great ! I killed a Spike with the Bow and a Turkey with the 12 Ga. within 3 hours ! just luck I think (lol) Have a good one, you'll like it...BT

Re: Back Again

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Posted by BOSSTOM on November 21, 2001 at 16:16:47:

In Reply to: Re: Back Again posted by Kern on November 20, 2001 at 23:23:15:

Kern ,,I believe your right my friend ! shoot a straight arrow !...BT

Re: Stupid Question

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Posted by Kern on November 21, 2001 at 13:18:19:

In Reply to: Stupid Question posted by Sid on November 20, 2001 at 21:49:46:

If it was an accident and your have a license it would probably be ok to keep the bird but I dont think it would be ok to pursue this activity as a manner to hunt birds in city limits for the simple reason that the golf ball is a single projectile and the regs state that birds cant be taken with single projectiles. Im sure the intent is to prevent people from plinkin them with rifles but a golf ball could also fall into this catagory.

I only went out last year once and some of the greens were almost impossible to play because the geese were all over the place. And I have never seen a more brazzin bird than a golf course goose. You practically have to move them with your feet.

Kern

Re: Firearms going to U.S.

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Posted by P-Neck on November 21, 2001 at 09:12:13:

In Reply to: Re: Firearms going to U.S. posted by BOSSTOM on November 20, 2001 at 18:36:05:

Thanks for the advice. How did you do and what did you hunt?

Re: Firearms going to U.S.

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Posted by P-Neck on November 21, 2001 at 09:12:02:

In Reply to: Re: Firearms going to U.S. posted by BOSSTOM on November 20, 2001 at 18:36:05:

Thanks for the advice. How did you do and what did you hunt?

Re: sell offs

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Posted by sparky on November 21, 2001 at 09:02:00:

In Reply to: Re: sell offs posted by Kern on November 20, 2001 at 08:39:58:

Kern,

I did not see anything for your big 10 guage there. Not to say that he doesn't have any though.

sparky

Re: sell offs

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Posted by sparky on November 21, 2001 at 09:00:41:

In Reply to: Re: sell offs posted by LB on November 20, 2001 at 10:05:12:

Not sure if they will that this LB, however here is their phone number and you can call and check it out. 613 332-3420 and ask for Richard.

Sparky

Re: Hunter's Image?

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Posted by ab on November 21, 2001 at 08:58:50:

In Reply to: Hunter's Image? posted by P-Neck on November 20, 2001 at 13:16:45:

If we want hunting and hunters to gain even an ounce of acceptance from non-hunters, we are going to have to be extremely vigilant and above reproach. We need to have high standards for our personal behaviour and hold other hunters to those as well. If you feel comfortable doing it, and it won't put you in harms way, then let other hunters know about there bad behaviour, or let the authorities know. Don't get sucked in by all of the "we hunters have to stick together" talk I hear lately. If someone's doing something stupid, then sorry, but they are on their own. There could be nothing better for hunters' images than for non-hunters to know that we are "policing" our own.

Re: Stupid Question

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Posted by Gunnerman on November 21, 2001 at 08:49:42:

In Reply to: Re: Stupid Question posted by Braden on November 20, 2001 at 21:59:20:

This is a "debatable" thung as I have spoken to several game wardens in regards to this. If there is an open season, you are properly licensed etc., then you are allowed to do this ... BUT if you happen to attract the attention of some tree-hugger types, it can become more of a hassle than it is worth. The main thign they could attempt to charge you with would be "cruelty to animals" which is the big kerfuffle that is going on right now. This is a very grey area and I personally have whacked a few geese with a big "Buford Pusser" club myself and have just kept it on the sly ... if they can't see you do it ... oh well who's to know.

As for the machete ... that brings in the category of "dangerous/prohibited weapon" ... just make sure it is something that you can legally be carrying around that doesn't fall into this category.

Try posting this question on the Ask the CO and see if you can get an answer ... I'm betting they just give a generic "it's legal ... but..."

Chow for now.

Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail???

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Posted by Andy_P on November 21, 2001 at 07:45:22:

In Reply to: Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail??? posted by Braden on November 20, 2001 at 21:54:19:

Sorry - thought its purpose was as a public forum, not a private messaging service for the lazy. And speaking of junk mail - don't your postings fall under that category seeing as they are of no possible interest to the forum? "Its purpose is to serve as a forum for positive information and idea exchange, and to encourage interesting and informative dialogue about anything related to hunting."

Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail???

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Posted by Mike on November 21, 2001 at 05:17:11:

In Reply to: Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail??? posted by high tech computer wizard on November 20, 2001 at 11:33:03:

You tell them, Braden or should I call you Dead Eye Dick!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Back Again

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Posted by Kern on November 20, 2001 at 23:23:15:

In Reply to: Back Again posted by BOSSTOM on November 19, 2001 at 23:10:33:

welcome back BT...was wondering what happened to you. I still have 2 tags to fill and have a feelin that I will have a better time in the next few weeks than most shotgun hunters had during the shotgun hunt.

Kern

Re: Stupid Question

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Posted by Braden on November 20, 2001 at 21:59:20:

In Reply to: Stupid Question posted by Sid on November 20, 2001 at 21:49:46:

Brother, if you've got the golf course, I've got the 9 irons and I'm willing to take my chances. And legally, the way I can see it is even Toronto is given a specific WMU # now, If they don't schedule a goose/waterfowl season in that wmu then you could be charged with hunting out of season. However, If you where within the city limits of say Oshawa, which is in a unit that has an open goose season, then hey, its not a firearm, you could probably chase them around with a machete if you wanted to and the course owner was okay with it!

Braden

Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail???

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Posted by Braden on November 20, 2001 at 21:54:19:

In Reply to: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail??? posted by Andy_P on November 20, 2001 at 10:59:38:

My take, I check my email at work, I work 3 on 3 off, and don't check at home. I have a hotmail account that I really can't be bothered sifting through all the junk mail all the time (their so called junk mail managers don't work very well, neither do the filters) so I rarely check it! Thirdly, I really don't have the time or energy to deal with another mail account, and things work for me as they are. This is a very low traffic board, so my posts don't really affect overall flow. Matt is in a similar situation. Third, my post was not titled ANDY_P, with a message directed to Matt Ende under this title, therefore, you wasted your time by reading a message not directed to you, I did not encourage you to read it. Finally, the average hunter with a brain doesn't direct a message on a chat board to a buddy containing directions to a phenominal duck, deer or moose spot, maybe just a hey how ya doin, can ya hunt friday blah blah blah, so really there is no point in reading a message directed to a specific individual for any reason other than curiosity... And I assume you where curious, so my apologies if it really bothers you, but I really don't feel to bad about posting the odd personal message to a buddy, publically. Take care,

Braden

Stupid Question

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Posted by Sid on November 20, 2001 at 21:49:46:

Let's say you have a small game license and your migratory license. We all know that you can't discharge a firearm within the city limits. What if you're on a golf course and you smack a goose with a nine iron and kill it, and it's in season. Is that legal ??????? Not that I would ever try this, but me and my neighor were wondering if you could be charged with something or other??????? Like I said, it's a stupid question, but I'm curious.

Re: Firearms going to U.S.

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Posted by BOSSTOM on November 20, 2001 at 18:36:05:

In Reply to: Firearms going to U.S. posted by P-Neck on November 20, 2001 at 13:19:55:

I just came back from a hunt in PA , as long as you have a customs green card for your firearm you should be find , have the guns cased well. Have your PLO or FAC ready when coming back to Canada. Good Luck on your trip...BT

Firearms going to U.S.

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Posted by P-Neck on November 20, 2001 at 13:19:55:

Has anyone taken guns down to the U.S. this hunting season? I am going to P.A. this weekend for deer hunting and have never had an issue going across. Just wondering whether this is still the same?

Hunter's Image?

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Posted by P-Neck on November 20, 2001 at 13:16:45:

While driving home from Bracebridge on Sunday after an unsuccessful hunting weekend(oh well), I was coming south on #11 around Elwood Eps. There was a pick-up pulled over on the shoulder of the southbound lane and a guy standing in the middle beside the median. On the other side of the road was his buddy waving for him to cross. The buddy had a rifle in one hand(no case/sock/anything) waving it in the air for his buddy to move. Our image in the media(re:Toronto Star especially) is delicate to say the best. Do we have to be this stupid?? Anyone driving by would immediately lable all of us as careless as this jerk. This was not a country road with a few locals, this is a major highway.

Re: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail???

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Posted by high tech computer wizard on November 20, 2001 at 11:33:03:

In Reply to: If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail??? posted by Andy_P on November 20, 2001 at 10:59:38:

excellent point Andy_P!

Re: A perfect example of..........

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Posted by stillhunter on November 20, 2001 at 11:27:53:

In Reply to: They caught the rocket scientist. posted by Ken Flieger on November 20, 2001 at 10:35:25:

Him not knowing his Ass from a hole in the ground..sorry,could,nt help that!

Re: I'm guessing...

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Posted by ab on November 20, 2001 at 11:20:55:

In Reply to: They caught the rocket scientist. posted by Ken Flieger on November 20, 2001 at 10:35:25:

I'm guessing this guy was having a "little problem" with drugs and/or alcohol that night (pure speculation). If not, he should be given an additional charge of "criminal stupidity". Let's hope the current charges result in him getting some real "incentive" to get his act together.

If both of you have computers, why not use e-mail???

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Posted by Andy_P on November 20, 2001 at 10:59:38:

In Reply to: Matt Ende......... posted by Braden on November 19, 2001 at 22:14:51:

No Message

They caught the rocket scientist.

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Posted by Ken Flieger on November 20, 2001 at 10:35:25:

In Reply to: This Year's Donkey Hunter posted by ab on November 19, 2001 at 14:01:13:

He said he thought it was a bear.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1006211062786&call_page=TS_Ontario&call_pageid=968256289824&call_pagepath=News/Ontario&col=968342212737

Re: sell offs

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Posted by LB on November 20, 2001 at 10:05:12:

In Reply to: sell offs posted by sparky on November 20, 2001 at 01:23:23:

Will he do mail/phone sales... Bancroft is a little out of my range for driving...

What kind of shot does he carry?

Some ideas on past ruts

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Posted by Pete on November 20, 2001 at 09:01:35:

In Reply to: Re: This year's rut activity posted by standman on November 19, 2001 at 22:13:42:

A few years back I saw a herd of deer together a few times right around now (also in broad daylight-9:00 AM) and there were a couple of big boys in with 8-10 does. That was in 1995 when we got 6" of snow on Nov 4th and it never melted till spring. This area is sometimes used for yarding but the actual numbers seem to fluctuate from year to year. I always wondered if it was just over. From anything you hear it doesn't just stop, does it? Back then I think this herd wasn't harrassed by coyotes and now I think it's on the rebound. I wonder if there are fewer deer around, in general, does it reduce the intensity to the point where it slips by unannounced?

Re: sell offs

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Posted by Kern on November 20, 2001 at 08:39:58:

In Reply to: sell offs posted by sparky on November 20, 2001 at 01:23:23:

Hey Sparky, Does he have any 10ga stuff???

Kern

Re: Story from Ottawa Citizen

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Posted by ab on November 20, 2001 at 08:29:10:

In Reply to: Re: Pony shot in wmu 62 posted by Ray on November 19, 2001 at 16:54:19:

Follow the link

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/news/story.asp?id={1A133870-3A9D-4929-89A0-F8B9D4394F2C}

Re: I stand corrected, it was a pony. No msg.

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Posted by ab on November 20, 2001 at 08:13:44:

In Reply to: Re: Pony shot in wmu 62 posted by Ray on November 19, 2001 at 16:54:19:

No msg

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Mike on November 20, 2001 at 06:15:36:

In Reply to: Re: Gee wililkers......... posted by Nick on November 16, 2001 at 09:22:14:

It's not birds he missed.......HA HA HA.......don't worry Dead Eye Dick, we've all missed at one time or another! If anyone says they haven't, then they are liars!!! Have a good one...........Mike

Re: This Year's Donkey Hunter

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Posted by Mike on November 20, 2001 at 06:13:29:

In Reply to: This Year's Donkey Hunter posted by ab on November 19, 2001 at 14:01:13:

Anyone have a good recipe for donkey meat???? Just kidding.......man they must be frigging blind not to be able to tell the difference between a donkey & game animals!!!!!!!!!!

sell offs

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Posted by sparky on November 20, 2001 at 01:23:23:

Hello gang......

A guy who owns his own business in Bancroft asked me to post a note to advise that he is currently selling off his steel shot at 1/2 price. He has a few different brands for sale right now. He also had some Deceptor duck silos for sale at a good price. These silos are for water. If anyone is interested in these great saving please let me know if you need the phone number of directions to the shop. He also was selling his guns at 25% off as well.

Sparky

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by sparky on November 19, 2001 at 23:36:05:

In Reply to: Re: Gee wililkers......... posted by Braden on November 16, 2001 at 21:20:21:

Braden,

I sent you email ....

Sparky

Back Again

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Posted by BOSSTOM on November 19, 2001 at 23:10:33:

The putter got hit by lighting couple of months ago and I lost this address. Just got things back up and running again. I'm finishing up my Fall and have been lucky ,The moose group shot a 3 year old Bull, I've killed Two bucks with the bow and a Fall PA Turkey. Hows everyone else doing this fall...BT

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by standman on November 19, 2001 at 22:20:20:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Herb on November 19, 2001 at 15:04:35:

I live in Lindsay, well half way to bobcaygeon. the only problem with the buck I got is it has really small point like 4.5 inches. Not saying thats a problem or anything, it was an amazing time and amazing deer. I'm on to a bigger one now I tracked him around today trying to figure him out. His tracks a big way bigger than my bucks and he dressed out at about 220. I'll see if I can get some pics of him over the next few weeks.

Matt Ende.........

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Posted by Braden on November 19, 2001 at 22:14:51:

Planning for LPB on Friday the 23rd, are you interested??? Hoping to have my herters set by then... But that may be wishfull thinking on my part, how long did it take for your G&H pinners to arrive?? Call me, or hit me back here. I'll be driving down Thursday night after work, I want top lineup.

Re: This year's rut activity

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Posted by standman on November 19, 2001 at 22:13:42:

In Reply to: Re: This year's rut activity posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 21:12:55:

I was just out on my four wheeler around 7 pm and saw 7 deer lying together in the field behind my house. I think 2 were bucks. Theres always 1 or 2 but htis time 7. They never even get up I just turn the other way and drive around them. I hunt there almost every night and it never fails they come out right after I leave. I'm just starting to see good rut marks but i don't know what this group means?

Re: This year's rut activity

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Posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 21:12:55:

In Reply to: This year's rut activity posted by Pete on November 19, 2001 at 16:43:15:

I hunt 73 and know people that hunt the regions south and west of there. What I hear is the same....the deer are staying in the bush and although plenty of sign can be found in places, the regular rut activity does not appear to have started yet or atleast has not hit a peak. I know that last october was warmer than this one but by november we were hit with some real cold weather. This year november has been warmer and my actual sightings have been far fewer.

I still have 2 tags and hope that the activity picks up in the coming weeks.

Kern

Re: You know what it is....

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Posted by Don on November 19, 2001 at 19:05:07:

In Reply to: You know what it is.... posted by Blue on November 19, 2001 at 17:08:44:

I do not think the situation that occured in WMU66 is the same as poaching.Without knowing the facts I find it hard to believe that any hunter would deliberatly shoot at a vehicle.More likely someone was preparing to leave the road or adjacent property to go hunting when a deer was spotted close to the road and shot at.This I believe is hunters hunting in the wrong spot and using poor judgement in deciding to take a shot.It is I believe each hunters responsability to ensure when shooting that they are doing so in a safe manner.The use of tree stands helps minimize stray bullets as pass throughs and misses hopefully bury themselves in the ground.Most accidents are human error as I said I think this situation was human error not a criminal act. Don

Re: Fawns

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Posted by Rick Teal on November 19, 2001 at 18:35:14:

In Reply to: Fawns posted by Don on November 15, 2001 at 08:12:53:

It's because these guys think it sounds more "manly" to say "button buck" than "fawn". As if you would go out hunting specifically for male fawns.

A real man (IMHO) will own up to whatever it is he takes.

You know what it is....

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Posted by Blue on November 19, 2001 at 17:08:44:

In Reply to: Re: Pony shot in wmu 62 posted by Ray on November 19, 2001 at 16:54:19:

Its that these low lifes,loosers,asswholes to say a few cant get there game anyother way and are just not up to speed, they to say the least are lazzy dicks, who cant and probably dont know how to hunt properly, these people are the same as skybusters, they cant get close to game so they try and get game by any means possible why cause hunting properly is not easy and it takes skill whitch they dont have.. about the pony shooters, why dont they let the father have 10 mins alone with them, I know I would'nt mind it...I feel for that kid...

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Ray on November 19, 2001 at 17:08:34:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Standman on November 19, 2001 at 14:28:44:

Sounds like a really nice deer and yes it is worth getting scored

Re: Pony shot in wmu 62

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Posted by Ray on November 19, 2001 at 16:54:19:

In Reply to: Re: This Year's Donkey Hunter posted by Don on November 19, 2001 at 15:04:00:

There was a pony killed by jack lighters this year in wmu 62 in Arden. the shooters then took the head of this pony to conceal the caliber of gun used.The owner of this pony was a 3 1/2 year old boy. I hope that all hunters stop to think about this and teach our kids about safe hunting could u amagine trying to explain this to your son our daughter.No deer or moose is worth this and I hope that the people that are responsible for this give them selfs a pat on the back for giving the Antis more fuel to take away our hunting rights .Think before u Act

This year's rut activity

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Posted by Pete on November 19, 2001 at 16:43:15:

Apart from the obvious (the time of the year) and the fact that I live in deer country, I try to pay attention to the variables that affect the timing and intensity of the white tailed deer rut (things like generalized weather patterns, moon phases, crops, geographic location etc.). This year with a full moon on Nov 01 (good)and warm, wet and windy weather (bad), as well as the general feeling among the bow and gun hunters I've spoken to that it really hadn't got goign yet as of last week, I can't really get a fix on what's going on. Last year's rut would have set itself up to be a little later and a bit longer with less intensity unlike this year. In one of my areas though, the sign isn't nearly as intense as it was last year. I would have thought that things would be hopping around the end of October but maybe a new moon and colder weather, or weather that's relatively colder as compared to late October has more influence. How about a little feedback so that we can all be a little bit better hunters and plan our outings to maximize the chances of success. As I've said before, there must be a ton if factual information and gut feeling out there in people's heads. Has anybody got a theory?

That's it. Pete

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Herb on November 19, 2001 at 15:07:59:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Standman on November 19, 2001 at 14:28:44:

I forgot. Congratulation Standman. Way to go.

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Herb on November 19, 2001 at 15:04:35:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Standman on November 19, 2001 at 14:28:44:

Sure sounds like a good one. Where do you live. Check out my previous message. On that site you can find an official measurer closest to you.

Re: This Year's Donkey Hunter

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Posted by Don on November 19, 2001 at 15:04:00:

In Reply to: Re: This Year's Donkey Hunter posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 14:15:04:

Hi everyone,The Brockville paper reported that a after a vehicle swerved to avoid a deer on a county road,the vehicles rear window then exploded,further investigation revealled the window had been shot.Two people on A.T.Vs were seen leaving the seen.We then wonder why some people fear hunting season.I do not think there is an animal out there worth endangering someones life over.Just my opinion however. Don

Re: honkers...

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Posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 14:59:29:

In Reply to: honkers... posted by standman on November 15, 2001 at 08:14:17:

Hey Brad, that wouldnt happen to be the same guy that did the run through your bush with his truck the night before opener would it?? What ever came out of your complaint if you dont mind me askin??

Although it may be obvious to you that they are trying their best to ruin your hunt, I suspect you would have a hard time trying to charge them under the part of the act that coveres idiots interfering with a hunt. Im not aware of any law covering someone blowing their horn while driving down a road and these actions dont directly affect you like the rock throwing case. I hope its the same guy for your sake because it should make it easier for you since a report was already filed against this fellow concerning illegal hunting activities on and around yor property.

good luck

Kern

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Standman on November 19, 2001 at 14:28:44:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Herb on November 17, 2001 at 00:29:37:

I got a buck on the last night of bow it has a 23.5" spread with 21.5 and 20.75" sides with 5" beams at the base. How do I go about getting it scored. Or is it worth it. Thanks

Re: This Year's Donkey Hunter

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Posted by Kern on November 19, 2001 at 14:15:04:

In Reply to: This Year's Donkey Hunter posted by ab on November 19, 2001 at 14:01:13:

Heard about the turkey hunters..they were from Etobicoke. He got more than a fine...he lost his license for while and will have to redo the hunters safety course to get it back when his ban is up.

What I dont get is what these guys were thinking when they thought they would walk the bush to hunt turkey?? As for the donkey shooter... I hope they throw the book at him.

Kern

This Year's Donkey Hunter

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Posted by ab on November 19, 2001 at 14:01:13:

Yes another donkey was shot this year in eastern ontario. Not only shot, but subsequently decapitated (!?!), apparently in an attempt to conceal the crime. Thankfully I just heard that they have made an arrest, and laid several charges. If you can't tell the difference between a donkey, a moose, and a deer, then PLEASE do not pick up a gun. On a related note, I recently read in Ontario out of Doors that a turkey hunter shot his friend in the leg, because he "saw something white moving". This guy got off with something like a $1200 dollar fine - pretty light sentence for that kind of neglect if you ask me. A little review of hunter safety rules - don't point your gun at sounds, shapes, colours, movement. Only point it once you have 100% positively identified your target and what is behind and around it. And don't use you gun scope as binoculars, particularily when your gun is loaded. Hopefully this is no-brainer stuff to most of us, but there are at least two people who need to hear it. Safe hunting everyone

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Herb on November 17, 2001 at 00:29:37:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Ray on November 16, 2001 at 21:42:52:

Good. Let him check out the Federation for the Recognition of Ontario Wildlife (F.R.O.W.) at www.frow-biggamerecords.com.

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Ray on November 16, 2001 at 21:42:52:

In Reply to: Re: 20 inch wide buck posted by Herb on November 15, 2001 at 22:36:24:

yes he is ,it was a really nice rack

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Braden on November 16, 2001 at 21:20:21:

In Reply to: Re: Gee wililkers......... posted by Nick on November 16, 2001 at 09:22:14:

Sure thing brother, when you working next?? What hours??

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Braden on November 16, 2001 at 21:19:27:

In Reply to: Re: Gee wililkers......... posted by Mike on November 16, 2001 at 06:10:59:

Mike, are you trying to suggest that I miss while shooting at game. I solemnly swear that I missed both deer this year on purpose, I felt bad and didn't want to kill poor Bambi! Good thing for us Aaron has no such compunctions, otherwise we'd be cooking tag soup! Btw, had some fun at Long point the friday of Deer week. Check your e-mail, some thoughts for next year.

Re: controlled

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Posted by Fischer on November 16, 2001 at 14:08:00:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Hunter on November 16, 2001 at 10:17:33:

That's a lot of bush for 8 guys. I wouldn't expect you'll be bumping into each other very often.

I imagine you'll run a few drives.

The property I hunt is only 100 acres, but has 14 tree stands on it. We've had as may as 8 guys on it at once, and no lack of deer. No doggin', just sittin' in a tree waitin'. Kinda like it that way, you get a better look at the deer and can pick your shots. I let 8 deer go by last year, before I took my buck. As I said though, this year, with only 2 1/2 days to hunt, I won't be so picky.

Re: controlled

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Posted by Hunter on November 16, 2001 at 10:17:33:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Fischer on November 16, 2001 at 07:57:19:

Just east of Manitowaning, right on Lake Manitou. Just found out last night, the old group of guys were given permission to hunt. I talked to the group leader last night, we now have 8 guys in camp and 880 acres to hunt! Guess we have to take the good with the bad.

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Nick on November 16, 2001 at 09:22:14:

In Reply to: Re: Gee wililkers......... posted by Mike on November 16, 2001 at 06:10:59:

Kirk,

Your not trying to tell us that Braden misses birds are you ??

Hope all is well Braden. Stop by the office again soon??

Nick

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Kirk on November 16, 2001 at 08:16:23:

In Reply to: Gee wililkers......... posted by Braden on November 15, 2001 at 22:34:17:

I only had steel shot with me. I believe you should practice with same gun and ammunition that you hunt with. There's just too much difference between steel shot and lead shot.

If you have not tried shooting skeet with #4 steel shot, you should. You might be surprise at how your percentages decrease.

On another note, those new plastic throwers can really zing those clay targets. Far superior to the old spring loaded ones. I had no problem throwing 100 yards and FAST! Makes it a lot more challenging.

Kirk

Re: controlled

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Posted by Fischer on November 16, 2001 at 07:57:19:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Hunter on November 15, 2001 at 11:23:14:

Where are you hunting? I'm heading up Sunday to hunt the Kagawong area.

If it's anything like where I am, be prepared to see lots of deer! My son saw 40 deer, two years ago. Last year, I saw 9 on the first two days, then the weather shut them down and didn't see any more for the week (but I got a 10 point buck before they disappeared! :) )

This year we're only there until Wednesday, but we all have doe tags, so we don't have to be very selective.

Re: Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Mike on November 16, 2001 at 06:10:59:

In Reply to: Gee wililkers......... posted by Braden on November 15, 2001 at 22:34:17:

Well Braden, at least he hit it!!!!!!! HA HA HA....hope you're having a good one........Mike

Re: 20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Herb on November 15, 2001 at 22:36:24:

In Reply to: 20 inch wide buck posted by Ray on November 15, 2001 at 11:39:04:

Good for him. Is he going to get the antlers scored?

wanted goose hunters...

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Posted by Tony on November 15, 2001 at 22:34:40:

hey guys heres the scoop I am looking for some guys to go goose hunting with I have good decoys know how to call, have one avery finisher blind, just need birds I hunt area 94 and its a 1 bird limit whitch is killing me, if anyone needs some company and wants to hunt geese let me know I am willing to drive anywhere between toronto and windsor, even if you have never hunted geese but have a good spot I will come down and do my best to put them in your face..thanks tony

Gee wililkers.........

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Posted by Braden on November 15, 2001 at 22:34:17:

In Reply to: Nice bonus tonight! posted by Kirk on November 15, 2001 at 22:11:54:

I shure hope you was shooting them clays with steel shot, or SON, you just done broke da law! (the above remark was a smart ass comment just for the sake of smart ass comments, I assure you Kirk I could care less if you where shooting at ducks with buckshot.) Congrats on the duck!!

Braden

Nice bonus tonight!

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Posted by Kirk on November 15, 2001 at 22:11:54:

I took a rookie and a friend out to shoot some clay tonight. After a box of shells, the newbie complained his shoulder was sore and offered to throw some clay for me. While he was putting a disk in the thrower, a noticed a large bird heading straight at me. As it got closer I made it out to be a drake woodie. I dropped him almost directly overhead an it nearly landed on me. I had to step out the way to avoid being hit.

You should have seen the look on the rookie's face when he heard the shot and looked over to see a duck falling on my head. We all had a good laugh.

Do a good deed and you shall have it returned!

Kirk

Re: honkers...

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Posted by dave on November 15, 2001 at 14:46:41:

In Reply to: Re: honkers... posted by Ray on November 15, 2001 at 11:26:47:

I'd call the police and report them.A guy was hunting geese in my area on the beach and was harrassed by a fellow throwing rocks at him.The rock thrower got a $400 fine.

Re: Fawns

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Posted by hollywood on November 15, 2001 at 13:44:36:

In Reply to: Re: Fawns posted by Don on November 15, 2001 at 11:51:18:

male fawns are "button bucks" (bumps on head where future antlers will grow).

Re: Fawns

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Posted by Don on November 15, 2001 at 11:51:18:

In Reply to: Re: Fawns posted by button head on November 15, 2001 at 10:42:10:

Just called fawns where I come from. Don

20 inch wide buck

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Posted by Ray on November 15, 2001 at 11:39:04:

Hi all how happy I was on tuseday night when my broughter showed up at my house with my two hounds and 3 deer taken the second week wmu 62 one doe a button buck and a really nice ten pointer 20 -1/2 iches wide and really heavy mass deer weight 237 feild dressed.not bad for hunting heavy bush and two day's to hunt . good luck hunting p.s have pictures but not sure how to show them I have a scanner

Re: honkers...

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Posted by Ray on November 15, 2001 at 11:26:47:

In Reply to: honkers... posted by standman on November 15, 2001 at 08:14:17:

Not sure what the fine is but there is a law againts interfearing with a on going hunt it is againts the law to harrass a hunter while hunting phone the MNR and tell them what's going on then phone the police and tell them . Don't let the A$$ get a way with what they are doing .Good Luck

Re: controlled

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Posted by Hunter on November 15, 2001 at 11:23:14:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Fischer on November 15, 2001 at 07:55:16:

Im leaving for Manitoulin friday night for the regular gun hunt monday. Have never been there hunting, dont know what to exactly expect! Anticipation is killing me, I could have gotten a couple more guys permission for the proerty im on, 600 acres 2 of us on it! I here there is a chance for a bonus wolves also.

Re: Fawns

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Posted by button head on November 15, 2001 at 10:42:10:

In Reply to: Fawns posted by Don on November 15, 2001 at 08:12:53:

cuz' their antlers are bumps like buttons

Re: U of Alberta professor says: 'Let us prey'

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Posted by OnnO on November 15, 2001 at 09:34:51:

In Reply to: U of Alberta professor says: 'Let us prey' posted by Mark on November 14, 2001 at 14:44:08:

Thank you Mark, this is the one I'm going to read/share with my kids.

Re: Ask the CO

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Posted by sparky on November 15, 2001 at 09:24:59:

In Reply to: Ask the CO posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 14:43:16:

I think that the "Ask the CO" area is done by CO's and at this time of the year they are kept very busy with deer season.

sparky

honkers...

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Posted by standman on November 15, 2001 at 08:14:17:

Do you think it would be rude if I went down the road from my house to where the places of the two honking vehicles live and thanked them for honking this morning? I was thinking of telling them all they did was help me shoot an amazing buck that didn't want to come my way untill they honked all the way up the kilometer worth of the back of my property where I was hunting. Does anyone know what the fine is worth for harrassing wildlife because I would sure like to see them get it. They have been honking all season even during bow, I've witnessed several times now with deer in front of me they don't even have a care to look but thats not the point.

Fawns

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Posted by Don on November 15, 2001 at 08:12:53:

Why do people call buck fawns button bucks?I heard the term for the first time and it took me awhile to figure out what type of deer the hunter was talking about.Just wondering. Don

Re: controlled

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Posted by Standman on November 15, 2001 at 08:03:50:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Mike on November 15, 2001 at 06:04:38:

Phone the MNR they will sometimes still issue licences even after the dead line as long as the quota isn't filled.

Re: controlled

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Posted by Fischer on November 15, 2001 at 07:55:16:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Hunter on November 14, 2001 at 21:21:14:

Manitoulin has a 3 day muzzle loader season this year, too. No special licence required, but you do have to have written landowner permission.

Re: controlled

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Posted by Mike on November 15, 2001 at 06:04:38:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Hunter on November 14, 2001 at 21:21:14:

82A, 82B, 83A & 84, muzzle loading guns only Dec 3-7, 2001

THANKS!

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Posted by LB on November 15, 2001 at 01:36:44:

In Reply to: decoy weights?? posted by LB on November 14, 2001 at 13:54:08:

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

Re: buckshot

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Posted by Tackleberry on November 14, 2001 at 23:14:35:

In Reply to: Re: buckshot posted by Mike on November 13, 2001 at 06:01:49:

Hey Mike, I hpoe this don't come across like a flame, But, Buck Shot spreads enough on it's own without the help of rifling. I do not have the info here in front of me, but a member on www.thefireline.com once posted his experiment with a rifled barrel shooting bird shot and buck at close measured distances and measuring the spread. I am going to pull #'s out of the air, but I think he said at 7yrds. bird shot was openning up to 14". and Buck Shot was 12" at 10 yrds.

I'll try to remember to bring the print out and post it. The theory is, as the shot travels down the barrel as "one body" the rifling rotates it. Once it exits the barrel it still rotates, but this causes lead to "spray". I forget which one, bird or buck, but it eventually creates a "donut" patern.

Stay Safe

Re: controlled

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Posted by Hunter on November 14, 2001 at 21:21:14:

In Reply to: Re: controlled posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 21:07:22:

Controlled hunts go on an application system, you are too late for this year. I think Wiarton area has a late muzzle season, that a general gun tag is valid for.

Re: controlled

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Posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 21:07:22:

In Reply to: controlled posted by standman on November 14, 2001 at 21:02:02:

How do you get into the controlled hunts? Is there a special application process?

Re: controlled

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Posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 21:07:18:

In Reply to: controlled posted by standman on November 14, 2001 at 21:02:02:

How do you get into the controlled hunts? Is there a special application process?

controlled

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Posted by standman on November 14, 2001 at 21:02:02:

In Reply to: Re: muzzel loaders posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 13:39:50:

Lots of extra seasons, check the controlled hunt regs Dec3 to the 8th. in most areas.

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by diver down on November 14, 2001 at 19:20:27:

In Reply to: Re: Has anyone......... posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 12, 2001 at 20:49:11:

Yes, 'the county' is Prince Edward County. I have'nt hunted there for years but decided to give it another try. I was at Pt. Petre the last two weekends. On the 5th there was'nt another hunter for miles and lots of mallards. I use to hunt out of a float tube there years ago and did real well.

I'm looking into exploring more of this area.

Where do you hunt?

Re: U of Alberta professor says: 'Let us prey'

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Posted by hollywood on November 14, 2001 at 18:56:33:

In Reply to: U of Alberta professor says: 'Let us prey' posted by Mark on November 14, 2001 at 14:44:08:

thanks Mark for posting this article. It was great - especially the last paragraph. The professor captured the essence of hunting very eloquently and our respect for the animals we hunt and harvest.

Re: decoy weights??

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Posted by hollywood on November 14, 2001 at 18:38:42:

In Reply to: decoy weights?? posted by LB on November 14, 2001 at 13:54:08:

I needed some heavier weights for diver decoys in rough water - I used quick drying cement (and mixed in some lead shot since I reload) in dixie cups with a eye bolt sticking up. I painted the tops white. Not fancy but work fine. For $15 dollar pail of cement I could make about 50 anchors.

Re: decoy weights??

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Posted by Braden on November 14, 2001 at 17:01:24:

In Reply to: decoy weights?? posted by LB on November 14, 2001 at 13:54:08:

Go to a garage, most of them will let you have old wheel weights for free, or peanuts otherwise! Melt em down in an old steel pot on a coleman stove, pour lead into small size muffin tins, insert some sort of bent piece of heavy gauge wire into lead for an eyelet, and away you go. If you really wanna get fancy, add a large swivel to the eyelet before you poke it into the lead. This will keep your lines from twisting!

Good luck!

I may be able to help.

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 14, 2001 at 16:35:28:

In Reply to: Re: decoy weights?? posted by YXE on November 14, 2001 at 14:50:10:

Send me an email and I will email you a couple pictures of my mold and weights and instructions. It is easy, trust me, if I can do it anyone can.

Brent

bmason@kawartha.com

www.diverducks.com

Re: decoy weights??

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Posted by Kern on November 14, 2001 at 14:52:27:

In Reply to: decoy weights?? posted by LB on November 14, 2001 at 13:54:08:

Try walking in to garage or even a Canadian tire and ask them if you can have or buy some of their old weights.

Kern

Re: decoy weights??

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Posted by YXE on November 14, 2001 at 14:50:10:

In Reply to: decoy weights?? posted by LB on November 14, 2001 at 13:54:08:

Try the heaviest fishing weights (Bell sinkers)you can find, these will only work in small bodies of water.

YXE

U of Alberta professor says: 'Let us prey'

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Posted by Mark on November 14, 2001 at 14:44:08:

Dr. Lee Foote, a biologist and associate professor at the University of Alberta, recently invited students to his backyard for a class on how to gut a deer. Among them were vegetarians and anti-hunters who prefer ramen noodles to venison.

"I think I opened some eyes, some minds and maybe even some mouths," said Dr. Foote, a hunter. He had vegans up to their elbows in viscera as he demonstrated the traditional aboriginal uses of animal parts -- the bladder as a water carrying bag, the fat for rendering candles, the hooves for rattles, smoked brains for tanning the hide, the teeth for jewellery, the stomach lining as a boiling bag -- and how to properly butcher the animal to get choice cuts of meat, including the heart and liver.

Relating the kill to the aboriginal way of life poses a challenge to hunting abhorrents, who almost universally embrace native traditions as touchstones of environmentalism. In Dr. Foote's Edmonton yard -- a typical, predator-free, fenced environment of grass and tall trees that humans have developed to mimic our safe ancestral homeland -- students were challenged to confront the bloody reality of their existence.

"There is no such thing as a non-consumer," says Dr. Foote. "We all burn fossil fuels. We wear cotton and eat vegetables that have eliminated animals in perpetuity from the environments on which they are grown. The reality is that we all swim through a soup of mortality as we move through our lives. We kill bugs and animals with our cars. We destroy living creatures every day. It all comes at a cost."

Dr. Foote, who makes a mean venison gumbo, is one of the thousands of Canadians who will take to the woods during this hunting season to kill a deer. By the time the season is over, more than a quarter million deer will die, their entrails spilled on the ground for ravens and coyotes to scavenge, their bones left to calcify in the woods. This, says Dr. Foote, is a beautiful thing.

"To most people geographically or generationally isolated from eating wild-killed meat, these activities seem barbaric, heartless and uncivilized. When uncivilized becomes a pejorative, it speaks volumes about how far cultures have drifted from a natural way of living," he wrote in a recent essay, The Irreducibility of Hunting.

Animal rights activists, of course, greet this all with scorn. John Livingstone, a naturalist and author of the Governor General's Award-winning Rogue Primate, calls hunting "gratuitous, ergo evil." He once likened it to child molesting.

"If you want to demonize anything you associate it with the most heinous behaviour," says Dr. Foote, who has been challenged to debates on campus by anti-hunting professors, ethicists and philosophers. To him, hunting is a "green activity" full of symbolism and native traditions that is less damaging to the environment than the hordes of weekend recreational enthusiasts whose year-round activities leave a far greater environmental footprint than those of hunters, whose activities are limited to two months of the year. Besides, he says, wild meat simply tastes better.

"I'm a little bit scared of the antibodies and growth hormones that cattle invariably get," he said. It's a misconception that wild game is lower in cholesterol, but, he says, it does have less fat. "In cattle, the fat marbles in intermuscular fibres. Elk and deer layer it, so you can trim it and get it down very lean."

It's enough to make a vegan vomit, but for the millions of Canadians who eat meat but deny the kill, listening to people like Dr. Foote makes you want to get a rifle and take responsibility for the death of your meal rather than leaving the messy business to somebody else. Dr. Foote believes his lifestyle is on the verge of a renaissance to rival the fly-fishing boom. "All it's going to take is one good movie by Robert Redford and we'll see yuppies heading into the woods in their SUVs to bag a deer," he says.

National statistics, however, indicate he may be one of a dying breed. A 1996 Environment Canada survey, which tracked nature activities since 1981, showed drastic declines in those hunting. In Ontario, the number of hunters declined by 35% from 486,000 to 314,000; in Alberta by 55% from 186,000 to 84,000; in New Brunswick by 31% from from 115,000 to 79,000. Recent federal gun registration laws have likely been a further disincentive.

The figures, however, do not account for the dramatic rise in hunting from the early 1960s to the 1980s, when the number of hunters grew at almost twice the rate of the Canadian population.

"We may be just a blip in time and are in fact at the same levels as before," says Dr. Foote.

To the anti-hunters he debates, most will concede that hunting strictly for food is defensible. But Dr. Foote also argues on behalf of trophy hunting, an activity animal rights activists regard as little more than murder.

"It's often much harder to kill a mature animal than the young. I will usually take the first legal animal I encounter but I respect those hunters who establish their own set of rules, who set degrees of difficulty for themselves. Delay of gratification is usually considered an admirable trait in society and what most people don't realize is that for every successful hunt, there are many unsuccessful hunts."

To Dr. Foote, killing one's own food is much more admirable than buying it in a store. It's also safer.

According to U.S. National Safety Council statistics, people are more than 20 times more likely to die in a car accident than while hunting. Hunting is also safer than fishing, swimming, tennis, even golf. Football, the most dangerous outdoor activity, requires almost 2,200 emergency room treatments per 100,000 participants, according to NSC statistics. Baseball is second with 2,089. Fishing is at 141, tennis 119.7, golf 104.4 and swimming 93.3. Hunting required only eight emergency room treatments per 100,000.

Dr. Foote explains part of the opposition to hunting as neotenous behaviour, the genetical predisposition humans and chimps have to creatures with big round eyes and adorable facial features -- the same visual trigger that motivates us to protect our infants.

He also has a secret weapon to sway the debate -- his venison curry. At one potluck dinner with fellow academics and vegetarian students, he placed the following disclaimer next to his steaming dish:

"This animal, like its ancestors and progeny, was produced locally. The meat herein was produced as a result of free genetic exchange (no artificial insemination). The animal was not castrated, or forced onto a synchronized breeding schedule. She lived to maturity (4 1/2 years) and reproduced at least once, but most likely had three sets of twins. The meat contains no antibiotics, synthetic steroids, artificial growth hormones or insecticide residues. Its production required no landclearing, fencing, fertilizing or feedlots. Her life did not contribute to the destruction of associated fauna and flora. No manure was collected or spread on erosion-prone pastures to produce (or as a result of) its growth. This animal was not confined, transported or kept in crowded conditions at any point in its life. The lean, unmarbled meat was not wrapped in plastic and Styrofoam packaging. No nitrates or sulfites were applied to prevent discolouration. No fossil fuels were used for specialized refrigerator transport or cold-storage ageing. Associated inedible parts were not reconstituted into cattle meal or dog food. Inedible parts were fed to indigenous fauna (most likely coyotes, magpies and ravens). Her bones provided calcium to the aspen grove where she was feeding. Substantial calories were metabolized by the hunter over several days to secure this meat. She died quickly, and honourably. Before, as well as after, her death she was treated with reverence and respect. Allowing my participation in a natural cycle was this animal's gift to me. The energy that flowed from sun to plant to deer now also flows through me. This meal does offer reflection, natural continuity, appreciation, health, hope, and tangible renewal of life. Let us prey."

http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20011112/782365.html

Ask the CO

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Posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 14:43:16:

Anyone know why the ask the CO page has not been updated for several months. I would have thought that with deer season here it would be a good time to get questions answered before we go hunting!

decoy weights??

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Posted by LB on November 14, 2001 at 13:54:08:

Anyone have any suggestions for cheap decoy weights? I've heard wheel weights (but I don't know anyone at a tire shop), bolts, etc., but the bolts I priced out cost as much as weights! I don't want to spend a buck or two on each deke just for a chunk of lead! It'd be nice if there was a solution that kept everything tidy too.

thanks in advance

Re: muzzel loaders

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Posted by Dave on November 14, 2001 at 13:39:50:

In Reply to: muzzel loaders posted by standman on November 13, 2001 at 18:15:08:

Where is there an extended season for muzzleloaders? I thought the season was the same as for rifles and shotguns?

Re: Sucess in 87B/with some regrets

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Posted by Kirk on November 14, 2001 at 11:58:03:

In Reply to: Sucess in 87B/with some regrets posted by stillhunter on November 11, 2001 at 17:07:19:

Mike,

Congratulations. Sounds like you a had a good hunt overall. I'm glad to hear the deer did not go to waste. However, I had a similar encounter last year and I "Asked the CO" if it was OK to use my tag on the deer. He clearly stated it was not. The MNR wants to be notified of these situations immediately and they will launch an investigation.

Kirk

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by Kirk on November 14, 2001 at 08:21:28:

In Reply to: Re: Has anyone......... posted by Brent on November 13, 2001 at 18:20:22:

Yes. A small pond between the lake and CN tracks. I'm sure you know the spot.

Kirk

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by Brent on November 13, 2001 at 18:20:22:

In Reply to: Re: Has anyone......... posted by Kirk on November 13, 2001 at 15:31:52:

Hey Kirk;

Was that at the place we discussed early??

Sounds like you got into some migrant birds.

Take care, Brent

muzzel loaders

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Posted by standman on November 13, 2001 at 18:15:08:

I want to purchase a muzzel loader for the extended season, and I am very interested. Can any one recomend a lower cost gun, 300-500 $ I'm going to look at a few at gagnons and williams arms tommorrow after the morning hunt. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by Kirk on November 13, 2001 at 15:31:52:

In Reply to: Has anyone......... posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 11, 2001 at 15:32:18:

Got out the morning of the 10th. Had my limit of hefty mallards within 15 minutes after legal shooting time. There were mallards coming in from every direction. Dropped 3 pairs about 2 or 3 minutes apart.

Two friends arrived an hour late. Their loss. Nothing was flying by the time they arrived. I'm sure we all could have had our limit had they been on time.

The early bird gets the worm!

Good hunting.

Kirk

Re: buckshot in a rifled slug barrel ?

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Posted by Ray on November 13, 2001 at 10:45:55:

In Reply to: Re: buckshot posted by Mike on November 13, 2001 at 06:01:49:

just wanted to know if the buck shot would hurt the rifling in your barrle don't use one just woundering good luck hunting

Re: buckshot

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Posted by Mike on November 13, 2001 at 06:01:49:

In Reply to: buckshot posted by hollywood on November 12, 2001 at 12:04:59:

I use an 870 pump with a rifled slug barrel & depending on the terrain i'm hunting, my first round is a slug followed up by 2 00 buckshot. If I happen to be dogging or going to & from my setup, then i'm fully loaded with 00 buckshot! Good hunting...........Mike

Re: Please send your registration forms in!

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Posted by Mike on November 13, 2001 at 04:41:29:

In Reply to: Re: Please send your registration forms in! posted by Fischer on November 12, 2001 at 08:11:56:

Right on.......i'm doing the same today!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: buckshot

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Posted by Hunter on November 12, 2001 at 20:51:47:

In Reply to: buckshot posted by hollywood on November 12, 2001 at 12:04:59:

Ive had very good luck with buckshot. If kept under 40 yards it will take down any deer where you have a broadside shot. Ive flipped a couple at under 20 yards. Ive switched to a slug gun the last couple years for extended range, hard to keep letting them pass at 55-60 yards!

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 12, 2001 at 20:49:11:

In Reply to: Re: Has anyone......... posted by diver down on November 12, 2001 at 20:39:24:

Killing lots of scaup and redheads. Some mallard as well. Mainly layout boat hunting.

When you say the county to you mean Prince Edward County???

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by diver down on November 12, 2001 at 20:39:24:

In Reply to: Has anyone......... posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 11, 2001 at 15:32:18:

I've been out the last two weekends on the county, lots of ducks. The 5th had piles of big nothern mallards wanting in the decoys. The 13th had an incredible number of bufflehead close to shore. I had some great shooting.

Whats your action been like?

Re: Luther marsh

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Posted by Don on November 12, 2001 at 19:49:02:

In Reply to: Re: Luther marsh posted by coon on November 11, 2001 at 07:36:59:

Thanks Coon As I said I was not really familiar with this type of setup,sounds great. Don

Re: buckshot

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Posted by Kern on November 12, 2001 at 15:09:21:

In Reply to: buckshot posted by hollywood on November 12, 2001 at 12:04:59:

I have always been a fan of the slug myself only because I often setup on field edges and fence lines. Typicaly shots will be wide open and tend to be longer shots which would favour the slug.

congrats on the nice shot.

Kern

Re: buckshot

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Posted by Don on November 12, 2001 at 13:38:34:

In Reply to: buckshot posted by hollywood on November 12, 2001 at 12:04:59:

I use buckshot when I am dogging.It is extremely effective at close range(35yds and under)Many hunters try and stretch the range of buckshot,this is why many deer are found either with buckshot wounds or dead.As well a few of the deer I have shot with buck have travelled some distance before dying.I would recomend a thorough search after any shot, this however goes for any type of weapon but is especially true with buckshot.Congratulations on your four point. Don

buckshot

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Posted by hollywood on November 12, 2001 at 12:04:59:

I filled my tag late Friday (last day of controlled hunt in unit 81B). I have shot a number of deer over the years with slugs - so this year I tried something different - 12 ga. buckshot (OO). Wow was it effective, a young 4 point buck came out of the thick pines about 4:50pm at about 25 yards -one shot and it folded up and dropped without taking a step. 3 - 4 pellets dropped it like it was hit by lightning. I had previosly made up my mind I was not going to shoot if the distance was over 40 yards. Question: how many of you use buckshot??

Re: Please send your registration forms in!

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Posted by Fischer on November 12, 2001 at 08:11:56:

In Reply to: Gun Registration posted by Big Bird on November 09, 2001 at 06:52:45:

I sent mine back with "NO THANK YOU" scrawled across it. ;)

Hope some bureaucrat gets paid well to open it.

It's worth $18 to keep my self-respect!

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by sparky on November 12, 2001 at 06:58:05:

In Reply to: Has anyone......... posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 11, 2001 at 15:32:18:

I managed to get out once to our blind on the river. Saw about 50 ducks but all were flying to high and were not interested. Did manage one nice big drake mallard. Also saw a few large flocks of geese at dark.

How did you make out Thursday to Saturday Brent ??

sparky

Re: Has anyone.........

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Posted by Blackwolf on November 11, 2001 at 20:29:44:

In Reply to: Has anyone......... posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 11, 2001 at 15:32:18:

I had the privelege of hunting migratory on the 5th and 6th. Way too many deer hunters out there, and I kept running into others in my exclusive area, on both mornings of the 5th and 6th. It still bothers me that some hunters (and I use that word lightly) still believe that with a tag, they are entitled to ruin other peoples hunt, and trespass.

More Northerns came in in full force on the 5th. It was no problem to get our limits. Beautiful mallards that sometimes darkened the sky. From what I can presently see, they have not left yet.

Re: Back from camp

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Posted by Ray on November 11, 2001 at 20:19:35:

In Reply to: Re: Back from Camp posted by MIke on November 11, 2001 at 04:43:25:

yes iT was a great time we hunt in wmu 67 north west corner by sharbot lake .the hounds worked great all week long and was a real bouns to find that wounded deer once we get blood on one eveything stops till we know what happend to it.

Re: The rut?

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Posted by standman on November 11, 2001 at 17:52:56:

In Reply to: Re: The rut? posted by Don on November 10, 2001 at 17:38:03:

I think its just getting good I watched a 12 pt on the property next to mine following 3 does. He grunted at me about four times. If I get my chance this might be the shoulder mount I've always wanted. I got a doe Friday on a fresh scrape I was hunting.

Mike..........

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Posted by Brent on November 11, 2001 at 17:18:26:

In Reply to: Sucess in 87B/with some regrets posted by stillhunter on November 11, 2001 at 17:07:19:

You and your hunting partners are true sportsmen!!! Many would have just left the deer their and let it waste so they did not have to use their final tag.

I commend you and your group on what you did!!!

B.

Sucess in 87B/with some regrets

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Posted by stillhunter on November 11, 2001 at 17:07:19:

Had sucess monday morning.3 young bucks by 8:30.Friday with one more tag to fill we came across a gut pile in the middle of a corn field.On closer examination we discovered tracks and a blood trail leading to the next field over where we found the still warm carcass of a six point buck.A slug was through his hind quarters.I guess that someone had taken shots of the buck and doe and assumed that they had missed the buck.They never even bothered to check for a hit!Thats sad.It could have been such a waste of a beautiful animal.So we used our tag for it and ended the hunt.I ask all novice hunters to please follow through on your shots to avoid undo waste and suffering to animals.We owe it to each other..thanks...Mike

Has anyone.........

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on November 11, 2001 at 15:32:18:

been hunting ducks at all??? I know most have been deerhunting, but I was just wondering if there were any hardcore waterfowlers that had been out and about over the last couple of weeks and how you are making out.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Back from Camp

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Posted by Bow Nut on November 11, 2001 at 13:16:08:

In Reply to: Back from Camp posted by Ray on November 10, 2001 at 19:52:33:

Glad to see that you put some effort in tracking that deer. Sounds like a great hunt.

Re: Luther marsh

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Posted by coon on November 11, 2001 at 07:36:59:

In Reply to: Luther marsh posted by Don on October 28, 2001 at 01:55:33:

In answer to your question Don, Hullet Marsh near Clinton is probably the other one that you are thinking about, there is also Machadash near Coldwater. These are public hunting areas that you usually pay around 10-15$ a day to hunt in.Some of these areas are free because of volunteers. I think there good because they usually release pheasants and do duck habitat through DU or some other org. So you can go and hunt duck and then phesant or rabbit,grouse during the rest of the day. they are also open for deer seasons as well. GOODHUNTING coon

Re: Back from Camp

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Posted by MIke on November 11, 2001 at 04:43:25:

In Reply to: Back from Camp posted by Ray on November 10, 2001 at 19:52:33:

Sounds like a sucessful hunt Ray, what WMU where you in???

Back from Camp

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Posted by Ray on November 10, 2001 at 19:52:33:

Well hope all of u had a good time and a great hunt. Our camp had 7 deer for eight 8 hunters two doe 3 bucks a big 6 a small 12 point and a big 8 point and 2 button bucks.I lucked in and shot the 12 point and a doe and after tracking a broken leg on the 6 point for a mile and a half I killed it for the guy in our camp nice to get them ones hate to see any wounded ones get a way but it happens some times. good luck to the ones still hunting .

Re: The rut?

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Posted by Don on November 10, 2001 at 17:38:03:

In Reply to: The rut? posted by Hunter on November 10, 2001 at 11:15:10:

After a week in the bush I would say things are just starting to heat up. Don

The rut?

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Posted by Hunter on November 10, 2001 at 11:15:10:

Well alot of guys should be getting back from camp. Was the rut in full swing? or do the guys who have seasons a week or two later going to hit it perfect?

I know of several deer taken, mostly does and small bucks, no big bucks chasing does yet, is the best yet to come?

Re: Gun Registration

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Posted by DUMB ASH RED NECK HUNTER on November 10, 2001 at 04:36:00:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Registration posted by cottager on November 09, 2001 at 22:37:56:

F'em I say, wait till the very last hour of the very last day & tehn everyone contact them to register and crash the system. Don't forget to bury your favorite one in the back yard so you'll still have one when the confiscate all firearms which no doubt will be the next step!!!!!!!!

Re: Almost Over

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Posted by cottager on November 09, 2001 at 22:44:41:

In Reply to: Almost Over posted by Goose Getter on November 08, 2001 at 16:18:06:

I shot my first doe in the controlled hunt and got it yesterday after fallowing it for the week. My next door neighbour was up in huntsville and nailed his first yesterday as well. A big 10 pointer. Cow meat has nothing on venison!

Re: Gun Registration

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Posted by cottager on November 09, 2001 at 22:37:56:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Registration posted by gordo on November 09, 2001 at 17:24:15:

You must also remember the main reason. For all of you law abiding citizens(criminals in the general public's eye, the police will know what weapons our in your house when they drop by for your domestic dispute. I don't know about you people, but for all my disturbances, I may just register my guns to help the police out when they (or if they) should ever come to my door.

Re: Gun Registration

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Posted by gordo on November 09, 2001 at 17:24:15:

In Reply to: Re: Gun Registration posted by 2tall on November 09, 2001 at 09:43:48:

And I've heard it's free to register online anyway!

Re: Gun Registration

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Posted by 2tall on November 09, 2001 at 09:43:48:

In Reply to: Gun Registration posted by Big Bird on November 09, 2001 at 06:52:45:

You forgot the most important part..... You'll save $18.00...yes, an incredible $18.00! Isn't that enough to make you want to register right away?

Re: Over and Under

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Posted by Mike on November 09, 2001 at 08:57:41:

In Reply to: Over and Under posted by Bow Nut on November 09, 2001 at 07:37:09:

Check www.ellwoodepps.com

Over and Under

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Posted by Bow Nut on November 09, 2001 at 07:37:09:

I am looking for an over and under 12 guage. Let me know if any one has one for sale. I would prefer a 26 inch barrel with a 3 1/2 chamber, so I could use it Turkey Hunting as well. Email me. Thanks

Re: Almost Over

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Posted by Bow Nut on November 09, 2001 at 07:34:14:

In Reply to: Almost Over posted by Goose Getter on November 08, 2001 at 16:18:06:

We did well. Group of fourteen guys, I know too big, have 12 deer. The only problem with this style of hunting you shoot most of the 1 1/2 old deer. Funny that only 8 guys showed up to skin.

Gun Registration

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Posted by Big Bird on November 09, 2001 at 06:52:45:

My mail bag today included a "fantastic offer" from the Government of Canada. Can you believe that they are offering FREE registration on firearms, and NO renewal fees.

They are selling the registration on these benifits: -it is a deterent to thieves because it makes the firearm traceable. (What is happening with restricted firearms now?)

-it enable police to return lost or stolen guns to you.(Do they think we believe that a lost or stolen gun will be returned to the registered owner without complications?)

-it makes it easier for us to get insurance coverage for your firearms, and make an insurance claim if your firearms are stolen. (personaly mine could not be easier. I have a photo and serial numbers of all valueable in a safe deposite box)

-It will make it easier for your heirs to either keep or sell firearms left to them in your wil. (If this doesn't some up the stupidity of their solitation then nothing does. They have made so many acts of legislation that it takes up to a year now to take coarses, file for PAL and wait for approval that heirs will either give up in dicust or sell the firearm illeaglly)

The appication goes on with more "appealing" reasons for the registy.

But remember it is FREE, and you have to the end of December to take part in this fantastic offer.

Frankly, I am too busy HUNTING>

Safe shooting Big Bird

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Re: Almost Over

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Posted by Big buck on November 08, 2001 at 19:42:58:

In Reply to: Almost Over posted by Goose Getter on November 08, 2001 at 16:18:06:

One more tag to fill.Had three young bucks by 8:15 monday.Going to be good for eating.Enjoying the time out with the guys.

Almost Over

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Posted by Goose Getter on November 08, 2001 at 16:18:06:

With the 5 day control hunt almost ended, how did everyone do so far. We have a big 8 point on the meat rack

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by dave on November 07, 2001 at 12:06:54:

In Reply to: New Hunting buddy posted by Kern on November 06, 2001 at 16:34:46:

congrats on the new addition.Billy Jo's kennels name is Canspan kennels.I've got a black from her 8 years ago and he's an excellant dog.I joined the middlesex retriever club when he was young and the info.that you get from the members is excellant, plus they have group training sessions where everybody helps each other train.I picked up a yellow this spring and have been using him for ducks this fall.nothing beats hunting with a well trained retriever.good luck with the training and if you have any more questions feel free to ask.you can look up any HRC clubs in your area on the UKC website. good luck, dave

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by Kern on November 07, 2001 at 09:45:42:

In Reply to: Re: New Hunting buddy posted by Brent on November 07, 2001 at 07:16:15:

Thanks Brent, Do you have a kennel name for Billy Joe & Roy?? Was your Chessie a male or female?? Do you see a problem with getting a male chessy fixed??

Kern

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by Kern on November 07, 2001 at 09:15:01:

In Reply to: Re: New Hunting buddy posted by YXE on November 06, 2001 at 23:18:56:

I was not planning to use a e-collar, though effective at controlling behaviour, I heard they can cause other problems if not used properly. Since ive never used one, I think its best left to a pro to decide if its needed. Im new to this dog thing and from what I've read, I was hoping the old style praiseing and treats would bring out the desired behavior. So far its been working with the basic training that I have started.

Kern

My Deer Season is Over!

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Posted by Andy on November 07, 2001 at 08:14:51:

Yesterday morning at 9:00 I did my part for our party of five in 85C and took two does. Although I could continue hunting to help fill the remaining three tags, family was calling. I was within five minutes of moving for a stretch (two and a half hours sitting still beside a tree is my limit) when I heard the familiar snorting noise made only by deer. Five minutes later and another snort, and five minutes after that, three does (mother and two fawns)appeared silently from the thick bush as if ghosts - how do they do that? Strange animals these deer in farm country - they are so used to loud noises that only sight and smell seems to spook them. I got off four shots at 40-50 yds from my scoped slug gun before they decided to head for cover - took at least 20 seconds to do as I had to shove another shell in after the third. I think that my first shot missed, the second went through the largest doe (who went about 10 yds and expired in the field) and the other two went through a fawn, who went about 50 yds into the bush where we found her. If I had put another shell into my gun I would have had a chance at the third doe, as it and the wounded one just hung around the edge of the bush. I am not really happy with my shooting - don't know if it was me or the gun (I think me as I have patterned eight inch groups at 100 yds), but I shouldn't have missed the first shot. This is my third year hunting and although skunked my first two years, I got three this year - my first ever, an eight point in Quebec with a bow and on opening day, and now these two. Time to buy a bigger freezer.

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by Brent on November 07, 2001 at 07:16:15:

In Reply to: Re: New Hunting buddy posted by YXE on November 06, 2001 at 23:18:56:

Kern:

Consider getting your pup started by a pro. I sent my Chessie for 5 weeks and did the rest from there. It was the best move I ever made. I will be doing the same with another dog in the next year or two.

Check around and you should be able to find a trainer in your area. I am not sure if Canspan Kennels is still training or not. Billy Joe and Roy Hopkins south of Peterborough. They breed springers but are very good with retrievers as well.

Good luck, B.

goose silos for sale...

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Posted by Blue on November 06, 2001 at 23:23:52:

have a dozen goosenoose silos I am selling to pay for a blind, they are in excellent shape, looking to get 115 for them... thanks Blue

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by YXE on November 06, 2001 at 23:18:56:

In Reply to: Re: New Hunting buddy posted by Kern on November 06, 2001 at 22:53:37:

I think there is a HRC in Pickering (Lake Ontario HRC), there is a trainer in Caledon, one in Kingston and i think one down near Longpoint.

If you can train your pup yourself, it might be a good idea to find a pro near you who will do the force fetching for you and who will help you on a per session bases when you come across problems.

Check out www.working-retriever.com ,some clubs might be listed on the site.

Are you planning on training your dog on a e-collar ??

YXE

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by Kern on November 06, 2001 at 22:53:37:

In Reply to: Re: New Hunting buddy posted by YXE on November 06, 2001 at 21:36:09:

I was hoping to do it myself but have not ruled out a camp. There is alot I dont know and all the books I got my hands on seem to have a different approach to training. I guess an ideal camp would be one that takes both owners and their dogs.

Anyone know of a place that trains retrievers within an hour or 2 from Oshawa??

Kern

Re: New Hunting buddy

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Posted by YXE on November 06, 2001 at 21:36:09:

In Reply to: New Hunting buddy posted by Kern on November 06, 2001 at 16:34:46:

Congrats on your new hunting buddy, enjoy the times with your new friend, are you planning on training him yourself or sending him off to retriever camp ??

Good Luck !!!

YXE

New Hunting buddy

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Posted by Kern on November 06, 2001 at 16:34:46:

Picked up my Chesapeake on the weekend. He's 8 weeks and 13+ lbs of keep you up all night fun! I have alot of work to do with him but he is showing an eagerness to learn and I cant wait for next season to watch him with his first real retrieve.

Tigs

Kern

Deer Opener

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Posted by Sid on November 06, 2001 at 16:25:43:

Went to 84 by myself yesterday. Sat at the corner of 2 corn fields till 8 am. Then started pushing the bush. No luck. Unloaded my gun, put it in the case. Sat in my vehicle and glassed the field opposite to where I parked. Nothing. As I turned to face forward, there was a spike buck on the road not more that 20 yards away. Slowly got out of the truck and took out my gun. Went into the bush, no where to be found.So I give it up and go back to the truck. Out of the corner of my eye, I see a white flash. I'm pretty sure I saw his tail and then the white of his neck. But that was all. Nothing but branches and twigs in between. So I held off shooting and tried to go around the bush. And there he was...GONE. Never saw him again. I guess it just wasn't ment to be. Better luck next year I guess. Hope you guys had better luck than me.

Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation

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Posted by Kern on November 06, 2001 at 09:40:13:

In Reply to: Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by P-Neck on November 06, 2001 at 09:01:07:

I agree 100%...if the trail in question is used by livestock or other people then the nails may not be a wise move.

In the long run, it is often better if this type of thing is resolved using proper channels.

Kern

Turkey Seminar

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Posted by OnnO on November 06, 2001 at 09:06:54:

Hi guys,

Turkey seminars (December) of Ottawa and Toronto region is opened for registration on OFAH site. I'm already registered online(Toronto) and looking forward for Turkey hunt next spring. See you guy there :-)

OnnO...

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Hunter on November 06, 2001 at 09:02:07:

In Reply to: Re: whats Trespassing? posted by Don on November 05, 2001 at 21:23:08:

I dont think you would be liable if they are trespassing, unless they were injured by some sort of "booby trap".

We run into the situation in michigan quite often about someone wounding a deer, and someone else finishing it off. The person who puts it down for good, owns the deer.

Weve solved this problem in michigan by taking shoulder shots, they go straight down! Ontario we put it behind the shoulder! Just too many tags available in michigan to worry about the extra burger that occurs when taking this shot.

Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation

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Posted by P-Neck on November 06, 2001 at 09:01:07:

In Reply to: Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by Kern on November 05, 2001 at 14:08:22:

I sympathise with the B%$#*& situation going on here. However, the suggestion of a board with nails is not the right one. While I understand that this is private property we are discussing, the nails in a board are still very dangerous. We had a similar situation in a forest near me although the nails in a board were intended for four wheelers and dirt bikes. The problem is that kids/dogs and deer for that matter do not know the difference between private property and public. I think going through the MNR/Police is probably the best bet. I might think about releasing air from tires though.

Re: painted bluebills

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Posted by Hunter on November 06, 2001 at 07:17:53:

In Reply to: painted bluebills posted by woody on November 06, 2001 at 03:20:30:

They'll work, we sometimes use black painted bleach bottles!

painted bluebills

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Posted by woody on November 06, 2001 at 03:20:30:

Picked up 2 dozen bluebill decoys from an old fella that decided to give up hunting altogether. Paid $60.00 for them, brought them home and gave 'em a bath ( very dusty ) much to what i had expected, most of them were in need of a coat of paint. Went to CDN Tire bought some black, white and dark green tremclad and gave 'em a spray. They look as good as new, if not real, just hope the live ones think the same. Has anyone else done the same with good results out on the water or am I just a fool for thinking they will work? I could not pass up the deal as they are all in great shape( structurly sound no holes, big magnums ) they just needed a make over that's all. What's your thoughts?

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Don on November 05, 2001 at 21:23:08:

In Reply to: Re: whats Trespassing? posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 20:56:29:

This situation happened 6 years so things might have changed.A hunter shot a deer from an un-opened road allowance(legal)the deer jumped the fence and died.The landowner happened along and denied access to his property.The C.O was called he said the landowner was well within his rights to deny access,the C.O then told the landowner he could have the deer if he wanted it.As 4 vehicles blocked my passage I had to sit and wait while they hashed it out.As a landowner am I liable if a tresspasser injures themselves on my property? Heres a whole other can of worms,if I shoot a deer and 30minutes later someone shows up saying they previously wounded the animal who"s deer is it?

Re: Brad

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Posted by Brad on November 05, 2001 at 21:17:22:

In Reply to: Brad posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 18:53:23:

Didn't destroy anything just detached his lighting harnesses, so he can't spot and chase as well. I'm sure we'll have some words tommorrow. The police officer is going to talk to him and talk to us about what there doing about it tommorrow.

road kill

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Posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 20:59:29:

Today, I picked up a big Redtail Hawk that had been hit by a car on Lansdowne St. W. near Hwy#28 in Peterborough.

A very big bird but appears to be a juvenile.

Got the permit from the MNR and it is going to the taxidermist. I think I am going to shoot a drake bufflehead to go with it. Should make a neat conversation piece!!!

B.

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 20:56:29:

In Reply to: Re: whats Trespassing? posted by Don on November 05, 2001 at 20:43:35:

As far as tracking wounded game, I think that every situation is different. Ultimately, permission ahead of time is best. However, personally I would track a wounded deer onto another property if I had a really good blood trail and expected to find the deer in a short distance and also was worried about spoliage of game. I would notify the landowner after of what happened. Easily explainable to a C.O. or in court. If it is going to be a long track from poor shot placement I would seek out permission first. I can't recall the exact wording of the regs but it is something along the lines that a hunter must do everything in his power to retrieve wounded game.

The best thing possible would be to drop him in his tracks!!!!!

Once again, just my opinion. B.

Re: Hey Brent

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Posted by Sure!!!! on November 05, 2001 at 20:50:00:

In Reply to: Hey Brent posted by artman on November 05, 2001 at 19:23:24:

Email me and will discuss it.

bmason@kawartha.com

B.

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Don on November 05, 2001 at 20:43:35:

In Reply to: whats Trespassing? posted by Dan on November 05, 2001 at 15:49:09:

I would have to agree with Brent on this one,if you do not know whose property you are hunting should you be there?.I really like the backyard analogy.As for wounded game I still believe permission is required by law.Is it not easier to seek landowners permission and work out details about wounded animals before the season.Don

Opening Day

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Posted by Tomm on November 05, 2001 at 19:42:16:

Not the best opener for us in WMU 75...we saw 4; 2 bucks and 2 does, but none in range to shoot The next group to us got one of each. How did other groups do?

Opening Day

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Posted by Tomm on November 05, 2001 at 19:41:32:

Not the best opener for us in WMU 75...we saw 4; 2 bucks and 2 does, but none in range to shoot The next group to us got one of each. How did other groups do?

Re: Replacement barrel

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Posted by 2tall on November 05, 2001 at 19:36:38:

In Reply to: Re: Replacement barrel posted by artman on November 05, 2001 at 18:48:08:

I actually found an original 120 Ranger 24" slug barrel, used, but in good shape for $120.00. I could have also had a vent rib about the same price but passed on it.

My original barrel is a 30" full choke. I'm thinking of having tubes installed to make it a little more versitile.

Hey Brent

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Posted by artman on November 05, 2001 at 19:23:24:

Hey Brent, could you possibly help me out with something. My folks bought a trailer on the Pigeon River just at the mouth to the Pigeon Lake. My father has been away from duck hunting for a while now but has expressed some interest in hunting at Pigeon next year and I have gathered that you live up that way and maybe you can tell me some tips on where to take him and where not to take him. Thanks in advance for your reply.

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 19:15:46:

In Reply to: Re: whats Trespassing? posted by Dan on November 05, 2001 at 19:03:23:

I think for the most part you probably would only be warned if it is not posted or marked.

B.

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Dan on November 05, 2001 at 19:03:23:

In Reply to: Re: whats Trespassing? posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 17:32:23:

even if there are no posts, fence house nearby they can fine you for a first time offence, I thought maybe you would have to be asked once before a fine?? thanks Dan

Re: Here's the scoop

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Posted by Hunter on November 05, 2001 at 19:00:51:

In Reply to: Here's the scoop posted by Brad on November 05, 2001 at 18:24:44:

Deal with it legally! pull out the boards with nails, that is considerred to be booby trapping your property, someone gets hurt your liable, no ifs ands or butts!

And damaging someones vehicle isnt cool! I dont condone what he did, and probably would have had a face to face with him. But you destroying someones property makes us all look bad, and we dont need it, he made us look bad enough!

Brad

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Posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 18:53:23:

In Reply to: Here's the scoop posted by Brad on November 05, 2001 at 18:24:44:

I would be careful admitting to any acts of mischief so publicly. I know it really sucks but remember that two wrongs don't make a right.

There are many things that I could to do to the guy who screwed up my hunts last week, but I will be the better man and deal with it from a legal standpoint.

B

Re: Replacement barrel

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Posted by artman on November 05, 2001 at 18:48:08:

In Reply to: Replacement barrel posted by CAD on November 05, 2001 at 16:01:21:

Have you tried Keith Long at Long's Gunsmithing? He may be able to help with the abundance of Winchester parts that are available around that area. Good luck, By the way YXE how much did the 1200 barrel cost you? I am looking for a slug barrel and another vent rib barrel except with a full choke for my model 1200.

Here's the scoop

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Posted by Brad on November 05, 2001 at 18:24:44:

In Reply to: Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 14:02:07:

Cops won't do anything about it, except they are going to call him because we have his license plate # from when we matched his treads. Theier going to worn him and his group, and tell them they've had complaints about tresspassing at night they are also going to let the night shift know about it and do patrols through the night during the next 2 weeks to look for them. I know who it is and I'm going to leave him a nice note on his truck tomorrow and the boards and nails thing is already done! Its a tiny truck and mines virtually a monster so I might just put My 35" treads across his hood the next time. I think I'am still going to mention something to the c.o's though. I sat in my stand tonight and he parked on the road intercepting our to properties, he didn't see me so I got out of my tree when he wen't into the bush and made sure his light bar won't work from now on. I guess some times you have to deal with things your own way. Thanks for all the help. PS All the truck pushing last night and we still managed to see 2 bucks and a doe, unsuccessful until today but there's always tomorrow. Brad

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by 2tall on November 05, 2001 at 17:37:13:

In Reply to: whats Trespassing? posted by Dan on November 05, 2001 at 15:49:09:

I'm no lawyer. My understanding is that if there is no obvious signage or fences etc., and if you are hunting there, the property owner would have to ask you to leave. At that time you must immediately leave or face further action if you don't leave.

If on ther other hand, if you enter an obviously fenced property, posted or not, it's kinda hard to claim you didn't know it was private.

Persuing injured game brings up another question. Can one legally track game into posted property without first obtaining the owners permission?

Re: whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 17:32:23:

In Reply to: whats Trespassing? posted by Dan on November 05, 2001 at 15:49:09:

First of all, I believe the onus would be on you to find out if the property is private whether it is posted or not. Look at it this way.....Is your back yard posted??? What if I was to come and set up a tent in your back yard?? If it is not posted is that okay???

As far as being charged. Both the OPP and MNR can lay a charge. There is the Trespass to Property Act and also a section with regards to trespassing under the Fish and Game Conservation Act. This section allows for higher fines and suspension of your hunting licence. You can also lay a charge of trespassing yourself through a Justice of the Peace.

I recently spoke to a Conservation Officer with regards to this issue (see my previous post) and he advised me that all I would have to do is give a statement and be willing to attend court and he would lay the charge. This would be if I witnessed the offence.

As a owner of property the best thing to do is post the property properly with signs and "red dots". If anyone is caught on it, ask them to leave and if not they do not or they return, contact the police or MNR. Although I believe if you are on unposted private property you can still be charged the first time and you would have your day in court to prove your innocence.

My incident has to do with an island. Most people believe that there is the "high water, low water mark" law, but in actual fact waterfront property lines are all spelt out in the land deeds.

Bottom line is if you don't know who's property it is and you don't have permission stay off it. Trespassing to hunt on someone else's property is right up there with poaching in my opinion. Once again, it gives all hunters a bad name.

Just my 2 cents. B.

Re: Replacement barrel

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Posted by 2tall on November 05, 2001 at 17:27:26:

In Reply to: Replacement barrel posted by CAD on November 05, 2001 at 16:01:21:

Find out what, if any, other models used the same barrel. I came across a cross reference list not long ago, but can't find it just now.

Once you know, advertise in the free classifieds and contact all the dealers you can.

I did the same for my 120 Ranger. It takes the same barrel as any model 1200.

Re: Replacement barrel

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Posted by YXE on November 05, 2001 at 17:13:50:

In Reply to: Replacement barrel posted by CAD on November 05, 2001 at 16:01:21:

Try gunsamerica.com or ellwoodepps.com not sure if they have what you are looking for, but its worth a try.

YXE

Replacement barrel

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Posted by CAD on November 05, 2001 at 16:01:21:

I have a winchester ranger semi(model 140) shotgun. I have been trying to locate a replacement vent rib barrel for it without much luck. I've tried several local shops as well winchester directly. The semi is no longer in production and no aftermarket barrel companies make a replacement (except for deer barrels). Does anyone have any suggestions or know of a gun shop that might be able to help me out.

whats Trespassing?

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Posted by Dan on November 05, 2001 at 15:49:09:

all this talk about trespassing gots me thinking if you are on a bush that is not posted and you hunt it are you able to be fined, aswell what if you are hunting a bush were the owner is no where to be found and one day shows up is he able to slap trespassing on you, bottom line is what and how can you fined for trespassing and what it take to be fined??? just curious as to all this talk.. thanks Dan

Re: MNR takes night hunting seriously....

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Posted by Kern on November 05, 2001 at 14:51:39:

In Reply to: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by Brad---standman on November 05, 2001 at 11:51:38:

Have a look at the following link....

http://www.ocoa.ca/Pages_MNRnews/Documents/2001-10-22%20Peterborough%20Night%20Hunting.htm

Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation

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Posted by Nimrod on November 05, 2001 at 14:32:48:

In Reply to: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by Brad---standman on November 05, 2001 at 11:51:38:

There is now a law prohibiting someone from interfering with a lawful hunt. While it was intended to target the "antis", it could apply here. However, it may be a bit of a stretch since there was no actual hunt going on at the time. Worth pursuing, though.

Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation

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Posted by Kern on November 05, 2001 at 14:08:22:

In Reply to: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by Brad---standman on November 05, 2001 at 11:51:38:

Whether they had paint guns or real guns, if they were in your bush "hunting" last night then they were poaching. On top of that, if its your private bush and they were driving through it, then there may be an issue of tresspass. Gather whatever facts you have and contact the MNR for the hunting part of it and the cops for the trespassing. Im not sure you will be able to do anything about the trespass after the fact with only tire treads, but Im sure the MNR will have alot to say about clowns runnin deer at night. The bow season has been open for a while now in most areas and you can bow hunt sundays so the only issue here would be hunting after dark and hunting private property without permision.

Good luck and keep us updated.

PS to stop it from happening again block off the access points that a 4x4 would have to use to get into your bush. Off road tires are great for the bush but no match for a bunch of nails stuck in an old board!

Re: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation

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Posted by Brent on November 05, 2001 at 14:02:07:

In Reply to: Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation posted by Brad---standman on November 05, 2001 at 11:51:38:

Maybe a couple different things you could look into.

First thing would be trespassing. Second thing may be that they are molesting/harassing wildlife.

Either way you will have to prove who it was. Try and find out the owner of the vehicle.

Call both OPP and MNR and speak to them about it.

B.

Very disapointing first hunt... bad situation

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Posted by Brad---standman on November 05, 2001 at 11:51:38:

Can somebody give me a hand on where to take this. We had a feeling and evidence that someone was pushing our bush the night before opener. Today we know for sure they used a four wheeler and truck. We found the truck with mud on it and the same tread patterns. They got out in the middle of the bush and fired paintball guns everywhere to scare the deer into the next property where they are hunting. Besides throttleing the guy in the face (which will probly get me no where) what can I do with this. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Brad

Re: full vs mod.

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Posted by Kerry Knudsen on November 05, 2001 at 10:08:51:

In Reply to: full vs mod. posted by diver down on November 04, 2001 at 10:23:21:

There is much to read on this issue, so don't take this as a complete answer. However, here are a few things to know:

1) Steel is harder than lead. Since a full choke compacts the shot load at the muzzle, and since the old full choke designation only applied to lead, most full chokes try to compress a material that is too hard. This forces a distortion in the barrel that looks like a wedding band just behind the front sight. This distortion is called ring bulge. It happens the first time you shoot steel through a barrel, and won't get worse. If you have put ring bulge in your barrel, you can keep shooting steel, assuming the gun patterns well.

2) Arrows kill by penetration and typically need to hit a vital organ. Shock is secondary. Rifles kill by a combination of shock and penetration, but still need to hit a vital organ. Shotguns kill by shock, and seldom need to hit a vital organ, although they often do.

Therefore, in order to apply the greatest amount of shock, you need to hit with the highest number of pellets. Big pellets are not necessarily better than small pellets. For example, if you hit a duck with two No. 2s or 20 No. 6s, the duck is more likely to crumble and falls with the 6s, and more likely to fly off or suffer a broken wing with the 2s. This, of course, also depends on range, point of impact, etc. A single No. 2 through the head is quite sufficient.

I have been shooting steel No. 6s through a 28-inch IC barrel for ducks since the mid-'80s and see no reason to change. And I have no problem dropping ducks at over 45 yards if it looks like a good shot.

Steel holds a tighter pattern than does lead, so more pellets are likely to hit further out. This helps compensate for the fact that steel loses energy faster than does lead. Steel also travels faster than lead, so you may need to adjust your shooting to compensate.

Most importantly, it's important to develop confidence. There is nothing inherently unacceptable about steel shot. It is too hard for traditional full chokes, but once you've shot it you might as well keep on. It doesn't kill at 80 yards, but most of the guys I've seen shoot ducks at 80 yards don't kill, either.

Although I don't make recommendations on what loads other people should use, it sounds like your new modified gun is throwing too wide a pattern at 40 yards with No. 2s. You might try a smaller shot size and see how it looks.

kk

Re: Here is the URL again

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 05, 2001 at 02:10:04:

In Reply to: Here is the URL again posted by Clifford on November 02, 2001 at 17:34:22:

Thanks Clifford!

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

Re: Hey Chessy

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Posted by Kern on November 04, 2001 at 21:15:26:

In Reply to: Hey Chessy posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 13:03:42:

Hey Brent, We were out on Lake Ontario on the weekend and saw hundreds of divers...all were flying east to west in the morning. Managed to see a few mallards and geese but nothing would decoy well. Hows the shooting out by you??

Kern

Hey Chessy

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Posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 13:03:42:

Just wondering if you have seen any divers on Rice at all???

B

Hey Kirk

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Posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 13:01:13:

In Reply to: Re: Diver Decoys (con't) posted by Kirk on November 01, 2001 at 16:30:17:

I sent you another email with regards to this.

B.

Kern is right.

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Posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 11:17:47:

In Reply to: Re: full vs mod. posted by Kern on November 04, 2001 at 11:00:43:

Take all the barrels and chokes you have and as many different kinds of duck loads you can find. Get some sheets of cardboard or paper and go pattern all the different shells with the different chokes.

Forget about whether it is mod or full or whatever. Just figure out the combination of shell and choke that gives you the best pattern and you will be all set.

I shoot a Benelli with an improved cylinder choke, using Challenger 3 inch #2 shot. I use this on both ducks and geese. It gives me a good solid pattern at 35 yards and I rarely shoot further than that.

I believe that is illegal now.

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Posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 11:13:06:

In Reply to: Re: Actually............. posted by Kern on November 04, 2001 at 11:07:45:

I think there is a new section under the Fish and Game Conservation Act dealing with interferring with someone who is lawfully hunting.

But there certainly are lots of idiots around.

Re: Actually.............

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Posted by Kern on November 04, 2001 at 11:07:45:

In Reply to: Actually............. posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 10:08:55:

This guy is a guide??? Here's one for ya....last time we were on the lake, some guy pulls up in a fishin boat right outside the dek spread and starts fishin. We call out to him to nove off a bit and he just looks at us and continues to fish completely ignoring us. Luckily for everyone it was a bad evening and we didnt get a chance to shoot.

Kern

Re: full vs mod.

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Posted by Kern on November 04, 2001 at 11:00:43:

In Reply to: full vs mod. posted by diver down on November 04, 2001 at 10:23:21:

Is the full choke a steel or lead choke?? Shootin steel through a full choke designed for lead often will produce bad patterns. I also heard it was not good for the barrel. You can get full choke and extra full for steel shot but they are clearly marked as such. The tubes for my browning are marked Mod - Lead / Full - Steel , I use the full choke for steel and get good patterns out to 40yrds with steel and farther with tungston.

Confirm the type of choke you have and spend some time putting some patterrns down on sheets of cardboard to see what size shot patterns best with your barrel/choke combination.

Good Luck

Kern

full vs mod.

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Posted by diver down on November 04, 2001 at 10:23:21:

last year I was shooting ducks with a Winchester Model 2200 with a full choke. A person at a sporting goods store told me that shooting steel with this type of choke (full) is not good for the barrel. So I puchased a modified. My kill/cripple ratio sucks now (I shoot <40 yds). I've done a 'finger' test to check the size of the my full choke bore with other an older gun I have which is a modified choke and I can tell little or no difference.

Has anyone else had this problem and does anyone else use a full choke with steel?

P.S. On my last outing I pattered my gun, using an old log by the blind, and a duck could dance through the pattern ( Winchester was better then Federals).

Actually.............

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Posted by Brent on November 04, 2001 at 10:08:55:

In Reply to: Re: Skybusters!!!!!! posted by I hate Skybusters on November 03, 2001 at 21:50:14:

there is more to this story. I am not going to get into it too much but here are the basics.

There were two boats. One with 2 hunters and one with 3 hunters. Each boat had a guide so these hunters were actually on a paid guided hunt. I can only assume that it was the guide telling the clients when to shoot but I don't know for sure.

I watched this spectacle for over an hour and finally went over and told them that all they were doing was educating the birds. The response I got was "We're doing our best".

I had a run in the day before with the same fellow as well. At this time the guide set up his two clients within 10 YARDS of my blind and told his guys to start shooting. The bluebills were really flying and he assumed that it would be okay that his clients to shoot over my decoys. Over and above this he was on private property that was clearly marked.

I still cannot believe that all this happened!!!!

Re: Skybusters!!!!!!

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Posted by I hate Skybusters on November 03, 2001 at 21:50:14:

In Reply to: Re: Skybusters!!!!!! posted by Kern on November 03, 2001 at 21:38:38:

I've think I've seen these same retards - They were shooting at geese over 100 yards up. What the hell did they think they had in their guns, missiles? I guess that's where you end up with a grade 2 education, sitting in the bushes blasting at ducks on the outer fringes of the atmosphere.

Re: Skybusters!!!!!!

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Posted by Kern on November 03, 2001 at 21:38:38:

In Reply to: Skybusters!!!!!! posted by Brent on November 03, 2001 at 20:58:35:

There will always be people out there that cant tell the diff between a 30yrd shot and a 60+ yrd shot. We can only pray that they learn. It could be a write off of a good mornign if you are unlucky enough to have these clowns setup close enough to you to flare everything coming into you. Maybe hunter Education should include an excersise in estimating ranges and a mandatory 75% hit rate on a trap & skeet range. In Nfld, you cant get a big game license until you show an instructor on a range that you can hit what your aiming at!! Not a bad idea.

Kern

Skybusters!!!!!!

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Posted by Brent on November 03, 2001 at 20:58:35:

Today I witnessed the most unbelievable thing I think I have ever seen in 20 years of hunting. I watched 5 guys shoot approximately 200 rounds at ducks that 95% of the time were atleast 60 yards or more away. A bird would fly by and all five would up and fire at it, shooting 10-15 shots at once. I believe that they only may have gotten 4-6 birds in total. No doubt there were many more birds that were hit and will eventually die.

Disgusted and disappointed, Brent

To Mike, Braden

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Posted by Matt on November 03, 2001 at 15:45:48:

I was out on LK Erie with Aaron this morning, we got a few scabby ducks, but then the sun came out and ruined things, so we talked deer hunting for a bit. Mike, I will meet you Sunday morning at the time and location that we agreed in our last telephone conversation. Braden - I will call you and give you the cell# either this afternoon or before noon, tomorrow (Sunday).

Re: Deer tag question?

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Posted by Tackleberry on November 03, 2001 at 10:23:10:

In Reply to: Deer tag question? posted by Big Buck on November 03, 2001 at 08:50:50:

Well Buck, I will attempt this, not quote it. Reg's are at home.

Your antlerless bow tag(sticker) is good for the MWU# it is issued for. ( I know you know) The "licence" that the bow tag is attached to is good for hunting in any non-restricted MWU's (like general gun season) in the province.

Good Luck on the Hunt, Tack

Deer tag question?

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Posted by Big Buck on November 03, 2001 at 08:50:50:

I have an antlerless bows only tag for WBU 87 and I know that I cannot use it during the controlled hunt.I was told that I can only help fill the tags of my hunting partners.What I want to know is,can I use my tag outside 87 during the regular rifle hunt.Or does this mean I cannot rifle hunt?...Thanks..Mike

Re: 26" vs 28" Barrel

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Posted by I hate Skybusters on November 02, 2001 at 21:16:57:

In Reply to: 26" vs 28" Barrel posted by Kris on November 02, 2001 at 14:15:54:

I shot an old Wingmaster with a 30" full choke for years. It was a real killer back in the days of lead shot. With steel shot, it would pattern 3" #2s and 4s after I honed the choke slightly. Now, I shoot a different 870, (a 3.5" SPS) and it only has a 23" barrel. I havent patterned it with steel shot, but I am sure the patterns would not be significantly different than what I was used to with the longer barrel. I don't think barrel length has anything to do with patterns, because it only takes 14" of barrel to burn all your powder, and the choke tubes are all the same length in standard configuration. I have also used a 19" barrel with no choke for grouse, and to tell you the truth, I dont think I can remember ever missing a bird with that gun. BUT, for ducks, even though we set the decoys up to get the birds to land in our laps, I find the 23" barrel just a tad to short to handle. It also is a little short to sit upright in the blind. I will soon acquire a 26", 3" chambered for duck and goose hunting, and retire the 23 incher for grouse and turkeys. I can't see why anybody would want a barrel longer than 26". By my experience, this length is entirely adequate for a nice smooth swing. Just remember this; get the birds in close and it dont matter what you are shooting - Short barrels get on target faster than longer ones. If you have trouble tracking a target with a 26" barrel, it is more than likely to far away anyways.

Re: Where did all the Deer hunters go.

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Posted by Tomm on November 02, 2001 at 19:05:20:

In Reply to: Re: Where did all the Deer hunters go. posted by Hunter on November 02, 2001 at 18:31:01:

I've invited and am taking a young professional computer engineer hunting with our group this year. He is coming up from Toronto on Sunday and will stay for 3 days. It is his first hunt. Sure he'll be in the way and make mistakes, but we all have to do something the same to encourage the next generation. Scary to realize that only 5% of Canadians actively hunt and this is declining. Promote, invite and encourage the young people to go out with you.

Re: Where did all the Deer hunters go.

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Posted by Hunter on November 02, 2001 at 18:31:01:

In Reply to: Where did all the Deer hunters go. posted by Bruce on November 02, 2001 at 15:52:55:

Alot of guys are staying close to home now, taking advantage of controlled muzzle/shotgun hunts. Im changing up this year, leaving the farm belt and heading north. I think next year, our camp is going to go from 2 guys to 8.

Here is the URL again

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Posted by Clifford on November 02, 2001 at 17:34:22:

In Reply to: Re: You're not doing anything wrong... posted by Clifford on November 02, 2001 at 17:32:30:

I guess the message board does not like URLs being enclosed in brackets. Here is the URL for Quick File Rename:

http://hosted.barrysworld.net/minimice/

Re: You're not doing anything wrong...

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Posted by Clifford on November 02, 2001 at 17:32:30:

In Reply to: You're not doing anything wrong... posted by Steve Redgwell on November 02, 2001 at 01:55:30:

Hi Steve,

You can use Quick File Rename, a free renaming utility, to change all the .html files to .htm in one pass in a matter of seconds. You can get it at .

Regards,

Clifford

Re: 26" vs 28" Barrel

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Posted by Kirk on November 02, 2001 at 16:07:42:

In Reply to: 26" vs 28" Barrel posted by Kris on November 02, 2001 at 14:15:54:

I have the 870 express with a 26" barrel and I love it. I used to have a 30" barrel and I'd never go back to a long barrel. Of course, I'm only 5'9" so a short gun fits me better. My percentages increase dramatically with the shorter barrel.

I think shorter barrels have several advantages over long barrels - especially for steel shot.

1. Steel shot holds a tighter pattern than lead so a shorter barrel does not affect the pattern of steel when compared to lead fired out of a longer barrel. 2. A shorter barrel might stop a little easier than a long barrel, but on the up-side, it makes for a faster swing and quicker snap shots when needed. 3. Due to the difference in density, you get more pellets with steel than with lead which means denser patters. Again, this compensates for a shorter barrel which will open the pattern a little. 4. The effective killing range of steel shot is 30 yards or less. Again, closer shots mean a tighter pattern which can be partially compensated for by using a shorter barrel. 5. If you ever decide to use the gun for grouse or woodcock, you'll be glad you have a shorter barrel.

After shooting a couple of criples on the water, I realized just how tight the pattern is with steel shot. Since then, I've been using 3" shells and an improved cylinder choke over decoys with good success.

Hope this helps,

Kirk

Where did all the Deer hunters go.

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Posted by Bruce on November 02, 2001 at 15:52:55:

This year I'm getting ready to go north (just south of North Bay) for the opening of deer season and it's sad to note that we only have 8 hunters in camp this year. This is down from about 18 hunters 10 years ago. I think we will be looking for hunters if the camp is to survive. I suspect that other ethical and safe camps are in the same situation. Is anyone intrested in joining for next year? Apporximately $525/= man includes room, cooks & guides.

Re: 26" vs 28" Barrel

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Posted by dave on November 02, 2001 at 14:51:07:

In Reply to: 26" vs 28" Barrel posted by Kris on November 02, 2001 at 14:15:54:

Kris there wouldn't be any differancein your shot spread but you would most likely notice a differance in the swing.It would be easier to stop your swing with the shorter barrel which wouldn't be good.best thing to do is see if you could try one out a local club.

26" vs 28" Barrel

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Posted by Kris on November 02, 2001 at 14:15:54:

Been looking at the Rem. 870 Super Mag. A tough gun to find and if any store has one it comes with a 26" barrel, i would perfer a 28". I`ve never shoot a gun with less then a 28" barrel, I`m wondering would there be any noticable difference with shot spread,etc with a 2" shorter barrel, I mostly hunt ducks/geese.

Thanks

You're not doing anything wrong...

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 02, 2001 at 01:55:30:

In Reply to: Re: Nov Update - 303british.com - Flush Fitting Mags posted by Justin on November 01, 2001 at 22:03:19:

it's the new version of Netscape - 6.1. It is not very user friendly. It didn't automatically import ANY of my settings from Navigator or my email settings when I upgraded. For those of you that are not too computer literate (I'm not much that way either), I'd hold off upgrading 'til they straighten some stuff up. Thank goodness I didn't delete anything!

For the computer whizes, all my "new" pages were given a .html vs the original .htm . The pix didn't load. I've gone back to 4.7.

Let's try this again, this time with pix. Everything should be fixed.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

Re: Nov Update - 303british.com - Flush Fitting Mags

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Posted by Justin on November 01, 2001 at 22:03:19:

In Reply to: Nov Update - 303british.com - Flush Fitting Mags posted by Steve Redgwell on November 01, 2001 at 04:19:47:

Steve:

Looks like an interesting article. Unfortunately, when I call it up, the illustrations don't come up. Am I doing something wrong?

MATT< CALL ME ASAP 9pm thursday night!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Braden on November 01, 2001 at 20:57:31:

In Reply to: Diver Decoys (con't) posted by I hate Skybusters on November 01, 2001 at 14:05:20:

Going to LP in am, would like you to join me if free. Can't reach you at home!!!

Re: Diver Decoys (con't)

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Posted by Hunter on November 01, 2001 at 19:03:31:

In Reply to: Diver Decoys (con't) posted by I hate Skybusters on November 01, 2001 at 14:05:20:

I use them, my buddy and I split on a dozen or two every year, Very pricey, but they pull ducks in better than any decoy on the water!

I just got the new Herters catalog today, you can get a dozen unpainted supermagnums for $54.99 U.S. $30.00 for painted heads, $20.00 unpainted. If you want bluebills/cans this is the way to go! very easy to paint, and nothing is as satisfying as shooting over dekes you painted.

Re: goose calls

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Posted by BlueWing on November 01, 2001 at 18:51:29:

In Reply to: goose calls posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:48:03:

One thing a good call and knowing how to call will help put geese in your face, I have landed geese in dirt fileds with a call not saying I am a pro but if you know how and when to call you will kill more.. If you want to try some calls out email me I know a guide who carries custom calls and he can get you whatever you like and save you shipping as he is over here all the time on hunting trips..Bottom line is dont buy anything without trying it first...Where are you from, let me know I can arrange a meeting with him if you would like... good luck BW p.s My email is y_not5@hotmail.com

Re: Deer Question

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Posted by iggy on November 01, 2001 at 17:53:53:

In Reply to: Deer Question posted by John on October 31, 2001 at 12:10:25:

I wear glass and have for as long as I have deer hunted and it never seems to have affected my hunting ability. I always see lots of deer. I also wear a face mask so if they do see a small reflection it does,t look like a face and I,ve had them almost run me down.

Re: Diver Decoys (con't)

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Posted by Kirk on November 01, 2001 at 16:30:17:

In Reply to: Diver Decoys (con't) posted by I hate Skybusters on November 01, 2001 at 14:05:20:

I had a look at the Herters and agree, they're pretty nice. But at today's exchange rate ($1.61) and $110 US plus S&H plus duty and taxes, that comes to about $500 for 2 dozen bluebills. OUCH! You must be hunting those high-class ducks (lol).

I don't get out often enough to justify that kind of money for decoys. Maybe when I retire.....

This leads me back to my original question. I can by twice as many Flambeau weighted keel decoys for the same price as the Herters. I'm thinking that I'm better off with 6 dozen Flambeau than with 3 dozen Herters simply because the greater number of decoys will bring'em in better. But then, I don't hunt divers that ofter so I'm not sure this theory is correct.

If you buy these decoys, post a message and let us all know how they work.

Keep the wind at you back.

Kirk

Re: goose calls

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Posted by YXE on November 01, 2001 at 15:56:48:

In Reply to: Re: goose calls posted by I hate skybusters on November 01, 2001 at 08:49:23:

Did you order yours thru the U.S or is there someone who carries them locally ??

Thanks

YXE

Diver Decoys (con't)

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Posted by I hate Skybusters on November 01, 2001 at 14:05:20:

I think that Braden has the right idea when it comes to the Herters decoys - for 2 reasons. Most importantly, they look more like real ducks on the water, because they ride the small waves better and don't bob around as much. Second, a few stray pellets won't ruin or sink them, like a hollow plastic decoy. I don't have any diver decoys, just puddle ducks and field stuff. Here's what I am going to buy for next year:

- (3) dozen Herters Mag 72 Bluebills - (1) dozen G&H Redheads

The redheads are for the calmer days when a little fine tuning in needed to draw the birds in. I am sure that when me and Braden throw this stuff out into LK Erie next December, we'll do our share of killin.

Re: Deer scents & rattling

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Posted by Nimrod on November 01, 2001 at 13:48:27:

In Reply to: Deer scents & rattling posted by Vince on November 01, 2001 at 08:30:45:

Please see my response to Standman on October 25.

As for scents, definitely use a cover scent as well (skunk, coon, fox or apple, pine, cedar, etc.)

Re: goose calls

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Posted by Herb on November 01, 2001 at 10:04:38:

In Reply to: goose calls posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:48:03:

If you are really interested in goose calling Herter's has "The Ultimate Duck and Goose Calling System". You install the program, do your calling and the program compares it with professional game calling, then evaluates sound waves for frequency, repetition etc. Sells for $29.99 US.

Re: Deer Question

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Posted by Mike on November 01, 2001 at 08:59:50:

In Reply to: Deer Question posted by John on October 31, 2001 at 12:10:25:

Been wearing glassess for 30+ years & have shot lots of deer.......no problem........

Re: goose calls

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Posted by I hate skybusters on November 01, 2001 at 08:49:23:

In Reply to: goose calls posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:48:03:

Order yourself a foiles strait meat honker.

Deer scents & rattling

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Posted by Vince on November 01, 2001 at 08:30:45:

I am fairly new to deer hunting mainly becuase it has been 3 years since they sent me a license. I only hunt the controlled shotgun season. The other day I purchased a bottle of doe-in-heat scent and was wondering if a cover scent should also be purchased? Also what are your takes on rattling deer? When do you rattle and how if it is recommended?

Thanks in advance.

Nov Update - 303british.com - Flush Fitting Mags

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on November 01, 2001 at 04:19:47:

How do you make one for your LE? Bags of fun if you live in a cold climate! This will help pass some time on those chilly winter nights.

Don't forget to check out the other stuff too.

Coming soon How to knit replacement rifle parts from steel wool. Why do you need a tackdriver when you can use your thumb? Hey Mr Taliban, tally me Bin Laden (Daylight come, and they bombed my home)

Who knew?

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades

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Posted by stephen on October 31, 2001 at 21:54:33:

In Reply to: Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades posted by Kirk on October 31, 2001 at 09:14:25:

i just bought an API grand slam supreme and its got the coated chain....works great and fairly easy to setup and climb!

Re: goose calls

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Posted by Taz on October 31, 2001 at 21:30:42:

In Reply to: goose calls posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:48:03:

Maybe the calling isn't the problem. Could also be not enough decoys, not enough cover, not enough feed, or you've hunted the same field too much. If you truly believe it's your calling try one of three things: One, stop calling. No calling could be better than bad calling. Two, call until the geese seem somewhat dedicated, then stop. Only continue when they seem to have lost interest. Three, get a new call and practice. I use a Long Honker goose flute. I practice a lot, especially while driving to work. I use the greeting call to get their attention and continue with multiple clucks to close the deal. In a fresh field I am able to call distant geese in so close I have to shoot them to stop them from landing on me (well, not quite). I truly believe though that a good goose call is sometimes your best weapon in field hunting.

Re: goose calls

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Posted by stabdman on October 31, 2001 at 21:02:53:

In Reply to: Re: goose calls posted by BlueWing on October 31, 2001 at 18:48:45:

Where can I get one and how much? Thanks for the previous info. I've got quite a bit more geese this year but I would like to be able to call like the people I hear.

Re: Is a PAL needed?

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Posted by 2tall on October 31, 2001 at 19:16:48:

In Reply to: Is a PAL needed? posted by Big Buck on October 31, 2001 at 10:31:40:

No, a PAL is not needed to buy a barrel.

Re: goose calls

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Posted by BlueWing on October 31, 2001 at 18:48:45:

In Reply to: goose calls posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:48:03:

well get a good custom call if you are serious about calling, I would go with a shortreed goose call, like the Giant Killer by todd svoboda it has a good deep sound and is easy to flock talk on.. good luck BW p.s were abouts are you??

goose calls

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Posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:48:03:

Can anyone suggest a good call and how to properly use it, tones and various call. I have a flambou and can usually call geese near but not close enough. The guys buy us this morning were call awesome and shot at them all morning as well. Any suggestions on how to better my goose #'s for this season by calling rather than just once in a whiile fly by's would be much appreciated.

Re: Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades

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Posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:41:50:

In Reply to: Re: Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades posted by Hunter on October 31, 2001 at 11:53:44:

API makes an excellent cable climbing system. My cousin has one and it works great, I have a bladed one and I usually try to stick to oaks, maples and pines.

Re: Deer Question

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Posted by standman on October 31, 2001 at 16:38:41:

In Reply to: Re: Deer Question posted by big bird on October 31, 2001 at 13:00:29:

I don't wash my clothes in UV wash, I wear glasses sometimes when I have eye infections from my contacts and I get deer within 15 yards. Tree stand or no stand. I also use a crossbow with a scope. I have been spotted by numerous deer, probly mostly wind direction and when entering my stand area. As was the case last night, buck and doe at the entrance of my stand. What I do is go to a hunting shop and buy a see through face mask, archery exclusive has some and gagnons and labarons seen them there this week. they work good. I keep my glasses in the open and when a deer comes near slowly move the mask on. Their not the best things to look through for 4 hrs, Good Luck

Re: Deer Question

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Posted by Kirk on October 31, 2001 at 14:24:28:

In Reply to: Deer Question posted by John on October 31, 2001 at 12:10:25:

If you can wear contact lenses, this is the way to go. I wear glasses but never for hunting. Glasses fog up, get wet in the rain, glare in the sun, have poor peripheral vision and do reflect light that animals (like deer) will see. Contact lenses eliminate all of these problems and the price is dirt cheap these days. I get 6 pair of soft lenses for under $100. I wear a pair until they start to bother my eyes (get crudded up) and then toss them and open a new pair. Even people with mild astigmatism (like me) can wear soft lenses.

Good Luck!

Kirk

Re: Deer Question

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Posted by Kern on October 31, 2001 at 13:10:28:

In Reply to: Deer Question posted by John on October 31, 2001 at 12:10:25:

I think you have more to worry about the UV dyes that might be in your clothes than your glasses. Deer are suppose to be able to see into the UV range which would mean in a deers eyes you might look like a fully lit christmas tree unless your clothes are either treated or made out of UV free dyed material. Of course during the shotgun hunt you will be covered in hunter orange and getting real close to the target is not as important for the shot as it is for bows but UV free clothes will do more for breaking up your outline than clothes that have UV in them.

Kern

GPS for sale

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Posted by dstanley on October 31, 2001 at 13:02:23:

GPS For Sale: Lowrance Globalmap 100 for sale: mint condition $300 - firm Barely used, great unit but I bought another model and do not require this one Includes optional carrying case Email if interested

see unit details below (they were copied them from the Lowrance website)

GLOBALMAP® 100

BEST-BUILT HAND-HELD GPS/BEST BUILT-IN MAP/ CUSTOM MAPPING

GlobalMap® 100 — Winner of the prestigious IMTEC Electronics Innovation Award, the Sport Fishing Magazine Editors’ Choice Award for Best New Product, and the American Sportfishing Association’s ICAST Best of Show Award.

Performance Package

- Full 12-parallel channel GPS receiver for faster satellite acquisition, stronger lock-ons, precision navigation, and accurate tracking worldwide. - High-resolution 160 x 104 pixel, high-contrast Film SuperTwist LCD display; superb mapping detail and readability especially in direct sunlight. - Built-in custom, Lowrance background map with enhanced water/land/highway map detail, southern Canada to northern Mexico, Hawaii, Bahamas. Greatest detail on U.S. coastal waterways, lakes, rivers. - Customize GlobalMap® 100 maps to exacting proportions with optional MapCreate™ CD-ROM*. Unique "cookie cutter" map chooser feature helps user maximize GlobalMap® 100 internal flash memory by allowing selection of specific, detailed map areas for downloading. MapCreate™ details more than 60,000 critical navigation aids and 10,000 wrecks and obstructions in U.S. coastal and Great Lakes waters. - Ultra-simple point-and-map cursor navigation and route planning. - Pages Key to instantly select from 15 different navigation screen choices. - Mega-memory saves up to 1,750 position points: 750 waypoints / 1,000 event markers. - 3 savable plot trails up to 3,000 points per trail / stores up to 99 routes. - 28 different graphic icons to mark favorite spots. - Instant zoom map ranges from 0.1 — 2,000 miles, with one-touch zoom-in/-out control. - Up to 20-hour operation in PowerSave Mode.

For Your Protection

- Internal lithium battery keeps stored GPS data safe and accessible for up to 10 years. - Completely sealed and waterproof. - Rugged, reliable, and versatile to use, from the toughest backwoods, to the harshest saltwater environments. - Full one-year warranty.

Popular Options

- MapCreate™ Accessories Pack with CD-ROM* software and PC interface cable to create and load custom mapping. - GlobalMap™ 100 Plus package includes MapCreate™ Accessories Pack. - Compatible with optional Navionics® mapping

Re: Deer Question

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Posted by big bird on October 31, 2001 at 13:00:29:

In Reply to: Deer Question posted by John on October 31, 2001 at 12:10:25:

It is likely better that you wear the glasses so that you can see what you are doing if your site is impaired. Better to hunt safely and see a deer or hunter than to have an accident.

I beleive that if you are wearing a peaked hat and do not face into the sun so that relection is an issue you would be ok. It is not so much the sun relection that will be picked up by the deer , but your moment, smell and sounds you make. That is why in some instances it is better to get off the ground.

You will also be wearing hunter BLAZE orange so you can be seen by fellow hunters.

safe hunting

Deer Question

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Posted by John on October 31, 2001 at 12:10:25:

I will be deer hunting for the first time this year in WMU89a cotrolled humt. No rifles, no dogs etc. I will be hunting from the ground, not a stand. Will wearing glasses interfere with my ability to be unnoticed by deer? Is there anything else anyone would reccommend? Thanks in advance...

Re: Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades

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Posted by Hunter on October 31, 2001 at 11:53:44:

In Reply to: Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades posted by Kirk on October 31, 2001 at 09:14:25:

They work great, I usually use hang-ons, this year I tried a friends new climber, Believe its an API, has the rubber coated cables. Holds very secure and surpisingly quiet. Thats next years new toy, along with a new rifle, and.....

Re: nothing illeagle about jacken deer

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Posted by P-Neck on October 31, 2001 at 10:37:26:

In Reply to: nothing illeagle about jacken deer posted by chessy on October 25, 2001 at 16:12:04:

This seems to be a pretty sensitive subject. I hunt in Pennsylvania and spotting is a genuine part of the hunt. Of course once the season opens it is illegal and obviously you don't have weapons in the vehicle and keep your lights off the homes. We seem to be overly concerned in Ontario with offending anyone or anything. As long as you are not running the deer down, you can often watch them for 10 minutes at a time. It is a good education to see the size of deer, how many bucks to does, etc. I have often seen whole families of Amish people out on the horse and wagon with a battery hooked up to a spotlight looking in the fields. It is all about being considerate.

Is a PAL needed?

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Posted by Big Buck on October 31, 2001 at 10:31:40:

Anyone know if you need a PAL to buy a rifled slug barrel for a Rem 870.I dont see why since the serial# is on the reciever....Thanks..Mike

Climbing Stands - cable vs. blades

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Posted by Kirk on October 31, 2001 at 09:14:25:

Anyone have any opinion on rubber coated cables vs. steel blades on climbing tree stands? The rubber coated cable looks like it would do less damage to the tree but is it as safe/secure as the stands with steel blades? I've used a climbing stand with blades and it really held well (felt very safe) but it made a mess out of the poplar tree (i.e. cut the bark down to the wood beneath). I'd like to purchase a climber with cables but how secure are they?

Thanks,

Kirk

Re: you are right brent

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Posted by Mike on October 31, 2001 at 06:07:58:

In Reply to: you are right brent posted by chessy on October 30, 2001 at 20:52:42:

The problem is, in the past, whenever they have closed a body of water to fishing, it has never been reopened!!!!!!!

you are right brent

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Posted by chessy on October 30, 2001 at 20:52:42:

In Reply to: Bay of Quinte Walleye posted by Brent on October 30, 2001 at 20:42:11:

the mnr did a winter survy of the lake and found that there are hardly any walleye left if they close it it will be good for the fishery but they MUST KEEP THE INDIANS OUT TO

Bay of Quinte Walleye

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Posted by Brent on October 30, 2001 at 20:42:11:

The rumour going around right now is that the entire Bay of Quinte will be closed down for atleast all of 2002 for walleye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brent

Anyone hunting wmu 84??????

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Posted by Sid on October 30, 2001 at 20:24:15:

Hi all, I've got an antlerless tag for 84. Was supposed to go with a freind of mine. Now he's changed his vaccation date. I'll be going alone, and I'm not exactly sure where the property is. Is there anyone out there that I could possibly join in for wmu 84. I can only take one day off for the opener on Monday. I know it's a little short notice, but I am dying to go out this year. Couldn't go out last year because my wife was expecting. Any help would be appreciated!!!!!!

Re: Osama "virus"

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Posted by Kern on October 29, 2001 at 13:36:06:

In Reply to: Osama "virus" posted by Nimrod on October 29, 2001 at 13:20:02:

It was on the fishing board...

http://www.zoo.utoronto.ca/FUN/Fmessages/31968.html

See ray's response...its not really a virus and there are many ways to use java scripts to do the same thing.

Kern

Re: Seagulls

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Posted by Kern on October 29, 2001 at 13:31:17:

In Reply to: Seagulls posted by Woody on October 29, 2001 at 01:13:38:

I think they were put on the endangered list back when DDT was in wide spread use. Seeing how they dont damage crops or fisheries I dont think you will see a season on them any time soon. People eat pigeons and I hear crows do quite a bit of damage to grain crops so they are considered pests.

I try to avoid parking under the lights in big parking lots as they tend to like to sit on these perches. I Also avoid the section of the parking lots with the chip truck!!

Kern

Osama "virus"

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Posted by Nimrod on October 29, 2001 at 13:20:02:

I know this is not a hunting question, but it was either here, on the fishing board or the discussion board that someone posted something about this "Yo mama, Osama" game that was really something like a virus, but now I can't find it to get more details.

Re: Bowhunting Stands

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Posted by Nimrod on October 29, 2001 at 12:16:12:

In Reply to: Re: Bowhunting Stands posted by Tomm on October 27, 2001 at 10:33:45:

Dave, I echo Tomm's tips, but would add the following:

1. As you know, the deer are generally bedded down during the day and come out to the fields at night to feed (except during the rut, then the bucks do move around more during the day). Depending on the distance between the bedding areas and feeding areas, it might take the deer quite a while to get from one area to the other. As this movement will be taking place at first and last light, and you want to have enough light to shoot when the deer are moving past your stand, try to position your stand closer to the bedding areas, that way there will hopefully be enough light in the morning by the time they get to you, and enough light left in the evening when they head out. 2. I agree that once the shots ring out, most of the deer (especially the bucks) will be holed up in the swamp, but when the deer are less disturbed, such as during bow season, I think many will be in the cedars during the day. 3. Try to place your stand overlooking more than one trail, or where more than one come together. 4. Be watchful of the sun. Ideally, you want the sun at your back, and in the eyes of deer approaching you, not the other way around. 5. Also be carful of hills, etc. While deer do look up, you also don't want a deer walking up a hill along a trail, and there you are in a tree at the top of the hill, with the deer looking right at you, even though he is only looking straight ahead.

Re: New to hunting

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Posted by Fishhead on October 29, 2001 at 10:58:06:

In Reply to: Re: New to hunting posted by Mike on October 28, 2001 at 06:40:46:

Upland game, Waterfowl, Deer. Unfortunately I don't have property that could be hunted.

Re: gps

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Posted by Fischer on October 29, 2001 at 08:19:37:

In Reply to: gps posted by 2tall on October 26, 2001 at 09:06:57:

For simplicity and ease of operation, you can't go wrong with the Garmin Etrex. Got one earlier this year and love it.

Seagulls

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Posted by Woody on October 29, 2001 at 01:13:38:

Why can't one shoot these birds when one is permitted to shoot crows and pigeons? Just curious as I washed my nice brand new black truck before coming into work tonight was outside at break showing it off and plop!!!! Not only was I targeted but what the heck was it doing flying at 1:00 in the morning??!!

Re: Belleville ducks?

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Posted by woody on October 29, 2001 at 00:08:27:

In Reply to: Re: Belleville ducks? posted by Sparky on October 28, 2001 at 17:51:50:

Thanks, I guess I should have scrolled a little further. Hey Brent, where abouts did ya see them. Was down behind BGH today and only seen some mallards and lots of geese. any good spots down trenton way? thanks guys.

Re: Ruger Deerfield ....Opinions??

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Posted by chessy on October 28, 2001 at 21:23:57:

In Reply to: Re: Ruger Deerfield ....Opinions?? posted by Ray on October 28, 2001 at 21:08:35:

thats great let me know how it holds up in the snow and rain i have 4 rugers in my camp (the old style ) if the new type holds up in the snow and rain like the old one it is going to be a number one seller keep us informed please

Re: Ruger Deerfield ....Opinions??

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Posted by Ray on October 28, 2001 at 21:08:35:

In Reply to: Ruger Deerfield ....Opinions?? posted by Tackleberry on October 28, 2001 at 20:34:01:

Sound's like you have a great gun there. THE one dogger in are camp has one works great killed 3 deer with 4 shot's one year with it great bush gun.Good luck and I can't wait to hear those dogs of mine and other camp's chase on monday morning

Ruger Deerfield ....Opinions??

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 28, 2001 at 20:34:01:

Hi folks,

Just looking for some opinions on the Ruger Deerfield. I'm interested in all comments, unfortunately though I already picked it up, what a sweet rifle!!!! Realistically, it's a Mini 14 in .44 Rem Mag..

I went over to my club, indoors 30m, and fired Winchester USA Brand, 240 semi-jacket right on @ point of aim. Three round cloverleaf, with the ironsights. Obviously the sight were set before leaving the factory. I also mounted a new scope on it, I wasn't sure if I was going to, but happy I did now. Bushell Sportchief 1.5-4.5 X32 with circle cross on it. Drops the 240's in the same hole!!!! Grant it I was at 30m, but I with it set at 1" high, I should be in good shape. Funny thing though, the UMC 180 gr. are 4" high and 1" to right !?!?! the jury is still out on that one. The hight is a no brainer, but the 1" to right??, maybe the ratio of the twist??? Oh!!, as well the UMC is a real fire snorter, .... major yellow flame/muzzle flash. Looks pretty cool with the lights down ;-)

All in all, .. very happy! How many sleeps to openning day??????

Re: Belleville ducks?

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Posted by Sparky on October 28, 2001 at 17:51:50:

In Reply to: Belleville ducks? posted by woody on October 28, 2001 at 01:26:43:

Check out Brents post on October 13th "Divers are in"

MATT ENDE CALL ME

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Posted by Mike on October 28, 2001 at 06:42:15:

Matt, i'm still waiting for your call about deer hunting next week. Would like to know what the plan is........call me!!!!!!!! Mike

Re: New to hunting

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Posted by Mike on October 28, 2001 at 06:40:46:

In Reply to: New to hunting posted by Fishhead on October 27, 2001 at 21:32:36:

What sort of hunting are you looking to do & do you have property in the Orillia area????????

Belleville ducks?

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Posted by woody on October 28, 2001 at 01:26:43:

Anyone been hunting the bay of quinte lately? I haven't been out in the latest 2 weeks. Planning on going out this week.Just looking for some info to help with decision on where to go. thanks for any advice/ input.

Luther marsh

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Posted by Don on October 28, 2001 at 01:55:33:

I have read with interest the posts about Luther Marsh,Longpoint and one other that I am unsure of the name.My question is what are these places? Am I correct in assuming these are public hunting areas that you pay to use.I am from eastern Ontario and am not familiar with this type of place.Just wondering,any information would be appreciated to help me under stand some of the posts. Thanks Don

New to hunting

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Posted by Fishhead on October 27, 2001 at 21:32:36:

I have had my hunting license and PAL for months now. Belong to a gun club, so have spent quite a lot of time shooting. Problem is I don't know anyone who hunts. Dad does but he is too old and won't go out. My kids are to young and wouldn't have the patience anyway to go out (plus they just scare the game away)need to wait util they are in their early teens.

Just wondering if there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind taken a 30 something responsible father of three out for a hunt or two so that I had an experienced mentor to help me with my field craft.

I live in Burlington and go up North to Orillia most weekends year round. I am calling on anyone who read the article by Mike Reader, the OFAH Executive Director in the September Ontario Out of Doors to Take a Friend Hunting (or at least a new friend).

Can we post possitive messages only

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Posted by Sid on October 27, 2001 at 16:38:53:

If you guys want to vent so be it. Just do it on another site please. There's already enough ammo for anti-hunters out there. We don't the anti's laughing at you hunters because you can't get along with each other. I'm here to read informative and hopefully educated posts.

Re: Poachers

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Posted by Kern on October 27, 2001 at 15:21:20:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by Blackwolf on October 26, 2001 at 17:20:44:

Metis were never really a full blooded native. They were the result of the cross of french Canadian settlers and native Indian which is why they never had official status. Since A true Metis is only half indian you can see how getting status would be a problem. Its important when talking about "native status" that the "native" and metis terms are used in the right context.

Nobody can declare "native status" by association. This only applies to Ontario Metis as a result of the court case I posted. And the case was only about hunting and fishing rights. Full native status includes other things such as taxation and land rights.

I too hope its appealed to a higher court because the implications of someone declareing themselves Metis for special hunting and fishing rights, just doesnt sit very well with me. Can you imagine....your moose camp doesnt draw a tag..no biggy, everyone declare themselves metis and now everyone gets to shoot what ever walks out!! How is the ministry suppose to manage a resource that they now have no control over how many animals are taken??

Kern

Kern

Re: Bowhunting Stands

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Posted by Tomm on October 27, 2001 at 10:33:45:

In Reply to: Bowhunting Stands posted by Dave on October 26, 2001 at 20:02:50:

Dave try to find where the deer are moving between the swamp and the field through the tree line...you should see trails this time of year... and set up your stand along the edge of either, but far enough into the tree line to give you cover and break up your outline. I would suggest a cedar tree for your stand for a number of reasons: 1. You have more cover to remain undetected 2. You will need to do some sawing of branches, but it gives you steps up to your stand 3. also gives you lots of hooks to hang your gear 4. it helps to block your scent 5. branches directly under your stand help support it and make it easier to set up. You will have to do a far bit of cutting away of branches. Start at noon and you should be ready by 3 pm to begin your watch. Make yourself a trail to your stand that doesn't cut across the deer trail. You will find the deer will be in the swamp more during the day during the shotgun season than in the open. They are there for protection. I would strongly suggest that you don't hunt during that 2 weeks in camo...wear blaze orange or don't hunt. The deer will stay spooked for about a week after the shotgun season, then back to normal. The rut is starting now..it has to do more with changing light conditions than anything else apparently. There is often a skiff of snow during the 1st 2 weeks of Nov. After that it can range from no snow as 2 years ago to lots of snow as last year. Good luck!

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Follow Ups:

Re: gps

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Posted by Mike on October 27, 2001 at 08:53:11:

In Reply to: gps posted by 2tall on October 26, 2001 at 09:06:57:

Garmin GPS12XL.......I don't leave home without it!!!! Great for fishing, hunting, boating, camping etc...........

Re: Nanticoke Ducks?

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Posted by Taz on October 26, 2001 at 22:51:36:

In Reply to: Re: Nanticoke Ducks? posted by Braden on October 25, 2001 at 15:14:29:

Thanks, Taz

Bowhunting Stands

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Posted by Dave on October 26, 2001 at 20:02:50:

This is my first year bowhunting with any seriousness, and I have a 2nd tag for 75. I'm just curious what the best terrain is to set up a treestand. I have an area that I wasn't able to scout earlier, but there are deer there. It has a swamp, a field surrounded by thick cedars, and some softwood bush intermixed. Also, after the shotgun season, do the deer patterns change? Is the rut later in the year down here? Do we usually get some snow by December? Thanks.

Re: Poachers

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Posted by Blackwolf on October 26, 2001 at 17:20:44:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 12:00:29:

so the question is.... who is a metis? what is a metis. since there are surprisingly few real, full blooded natives left in Canada, and status selection was one big cluster f*ck, can I who have had assosiation with natives and possibly have native ancestors, be considered a Metis? In my humble opinion...NO!!!!

In the constitution it was spelled out that they were not to be disciminated against, but what is the discrimination? You have to understand that natives here are still considered to be wards of the state and for that distinction they are allowed certain priviledges as well as certain responsibilities. The Metis hold no such status.

We should all seriously consider contacting our members of parliament and force them to take the ruling to a higher court.

now that my eyes are lit up ..........

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Posted by chessy on October 26, 2001 at 17:19:09:

In Reply to: Re: nothing illeagle about jacken deer posted by Rob S on October 25, 2001 at 22:33:11:

i have probably seen more deer in my life than you could imagan and i dont need no light to see them. for you to say that makes my blood boil. you must be one of them hunters who thinks deer dropping dont stink?i have hunted all over ontario and several states and i have come across people like you rob who jump to conclusins . all i was stating that it was not aganst the law . and i have never jacked a deer untill last year i wanted to see the size of the buck that was making a rub on a telehone pole (yes a telephone pole) it was pretty neat to see such a big animal . i have never gave any one a hard time for there responses on this board before but i think yours is absolutly uncalled for and i think you owe me a opoligie i have hunted with a few of the guys on this site and they know me for who i am . you my fellow hunter should waken up and see how the real world works

Re: nothing illeagle about jacken deer

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Posted by KC on October 26, 2001 at 16:36:18:

In Reply to: nothing illeagle about jacken deer posted by chessy on October 25, 2001 at 16:12:04:

Jacklighting is going out with a light and a firearm with the purpose of hunting. Going out with just a lantern is just spotting. No?

Re: Poachers

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Posted by KC on October 26, 2001 at 16:26:01:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 09:47:59:

Amen brother!!!

Re: Poachers

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Posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 12:00:29:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by dave on October 26, 2001 at 11:11:50:

Its only going to get worse...In an Ontario Court of appeal decision HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN vs STEVE POWLEY and CHARLES POWLEY, (Sault Ste. Marie - Jan 2001) A Judge ruled that Metis can hunt moose without a license and it was a right under the Constitution. Up until now, they were not fully recognised.

The real kicker is that the judge went on to say that Metis status did not have to be genetically proven like regular native claims to special rights. Metis status can now be claimed by "association"!

If you thought it was hard to get a moose tag now just wait a while. MNR will now have to take into consideration the number of moose taken by natives when allocating tags to the rest of us.

The complete court ruling can be read here...

http://www.ocoa.ca/Pages_MNRnews/index.htm

Scroll down to feb.23

Kern

Re: gps

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Posted by whack a quack on October 26, 2001 at 11:42:28:

In Reply to: gps posted by 2tall on October 26, 2001 at 09:06:57:

Bottom line is they are all good. If you want one for occaional use one of the lower priced handhelds is fine. If accuracy is an issue find one that is WAAS capable. This will give you <5m accuracy most of the time. Also buy one that is a 12 channel receiver (although most are now). Note that GPS units are like PC's as soon as you buy one another comes out that is better faster, cheaper.... So do not get excited when yours is not the hottest thing going. As evidence I have had 3 handhelds in the past 6 years and want to sell my Lowrance 100 (make me an offer and I may be interested) and get a Garmin Etrex that is WAAS capable. I have used all brands over the past 10 years ranging from high priced Northstar and Trimbles to Magellan and Garmin and have been satisfied with all of them. Obviously some are more capable than others but it depends on your requirements. My advice is to find one you can understand, that fits your price range and use it. We are incredibly lucky to have access at virtually no cost to the technology, accuracy and the safety they provide

Re: Poachers

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Posted by dave on October 26, 2001 at 11:11:50:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 09:47:59:

Agreed, if natives want to hunt out of season or in restricted areas, then that's fine with me if they make their own equipment, get their without our vehicles, and do everything in the traditional way. Plus I think they should have to live on a reserve and make their own houses if they want special treatment. I have friends that I would never know were native, but they can hunt whenever and wherever they want, because their grandmas 5th cousin was a native. To me, that's wrong.

Re: Question I asked on Ask The CO

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Posted by Ray on October 26, 2001 at 10:55:31:

In Reply to: Re: Question I asked on Ask The CO posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 08:42:15:

I agree Kern it's agreat way to scout for deer and show my daughter the big bucks that come out into my father inlaws fields at night but i use my truck light's not a spot light because i feel that I would be disturbing the pice with A great big light at night with house's around.Other words use your head and it won't become a problem just like anything eles only takes a couple of idiots to make a big deal out of nothing.

Re: Poachers

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Posted by Nirmod on October 26, 2001 at 10:43:07:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 10:01:19:

Make no mistake, a Supreme Court of Nova Scotia decision will have an impact in Ontario.

Re: gps

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Posted by Nimrod on October 26, 2001 at 10:33:11:

In Reply to: gps posted by 2tall on October 26, 2001 at 09:06:57:

I use one. I look the Lowrance Explorer or AccuNav.

Re: Poachers

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Posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 10:01:19:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 09:25:16:

http://www.canlii.org/ns/cas/nssc/2001/2001nssc19.html

I think this is the official link to the decision, though it is hard to tell with all the legalise. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to hazard a guess on whether or not this is relevant in Ontario. And I just scanned this document, since it isn't exactly "light-reading". Anyway, here it is, straight from the horse's mouth.

Re: Poachers

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Posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 10:00:52:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 09:25:16:

http://www.canlii.org/ns/cas/nssc/2001/2001nssc19.html

I think this is the official link to the decision, though it is hard to tell with all the legalise. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to hazard a guess on whether or not this is relevant in Ontario. And I just scanned this document, since it isn't exactly "light-reading". Anyway, here it is, straight from the horse's mouth.

Re: Poachers

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Posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 09:47:59:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 09:25:16:

Traditional native hunting and fishing should be limited to the use of traditional native equipment!!

Kern

Re: Poachers

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Posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 09:25:16:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 08:47:26:

My memory is a little fuzzy on this, but it was within the last year or so. It may have been New Brunswick. I seem to recall that it was taken to a pretty high court. Can't remember if it was a provincial or federal decision. Essentially the decision was that hunting with spot lights and rifles at night was consistent with "traditional" native hunting practices, in which they hunted at night with lights (torches). I'll see if I can dig up some more of the details.

Re: where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA?

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Posted by Mike on October 26, 2001 at 09:09:39:

In Reply to: Re: where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA? posted by Leon on October 25, 2001 at 12:26:17:

That's it!!!!!!!!!!!!

gps

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Posted by 2tall on October 26, 2001 at 09:06:57:

How many of you use a GPS? Any recommendations as to which make/model to look at?

Re: Poachers

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Posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 08:47:26:

In Reply to: Re: Poachers posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 08:32:17:

Was that an Ontario case?? I dont recall hearing about that one.

Kern

Re: Excerpt from Regs

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Posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 08:44:37:

In Reply to: Excerpt from Regs posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:48:40:

If your not hunting, by definition, then your ok. Key phrase = "for the purpose of hunting"

Kern

Re: Question I asked on Ask The CO

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Posted by Kern on October 26, 2001 at 08:42:15:

In Reply to: Question I asked on Ask The CO posted by Gunnerman on October 25, 2001 at 17:29:25:

It sounds to me, by reading the definition that the CO stated, that if you do not kill,Intend to kill, harass or injure the animal then your not doing anything wrong. The definition stated, is a little different then the one in the regs and I can see why they would have to change it so that bird watchers and photographers can do their thing without having to bother with a licence.

This time of year, with only days before the shotgun hunt, I suspect alot of people are scouting feilds in the early hours and at dusk. Personally I dont see anything wrong with it. If I drive into a feild at night with my head lights on,(and no gun) am I jacking?? If you answer yes to that than it may also mean that farmers cant combine at night!!

In the end it will be up to your Local CO whether or not to hand out a ticket and my money is on it being thrown out!

Kern

Re: Poachers

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Posted by ajb on October 26, 2001 at 08:32:17:

In Reply to: Poachers posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:02:19:

If they are just looking at deer I don't think this is such a crime (though the fine nusances of the law may have a different opinion in some cases). Searching fields with a trucks headlights is something I've done in the past, with absolutely no intention of harming the animals. It was often to try and find a deer to show someon that hasn't seen any or many in the wild.

One other semantic point. You state, "I have lost deer to poachers in the past". These are not "your" deer, (I'm guessing you're not a deer farmer and that this wasn't your field).

By all means keep a vigilant eye out for poachers, and don't be afraid to ask questions or get some identifying info. (license plates etc.). But don't necessarily assume the worst.

P.S. Just to stir the pot a little further, ..make sure that any "poachers" you confront are not natives. Last year the courts ruled that they have the right to hunt with firearms, and spotlights at night. To put it politely, it's not a court-decision that I whole heartedly support.

Re: nothing illeagle about jacken deer

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Posted by Rob S on October 25, 2001 at 22:33:11:

In Reply to: nothing illeagle about jacken deer posted by chessy on October 25, 2001 at 16:12:04:

Hey it sounds to me that your pretty god da--d hard up to see a deer! if your going to use that lame of excuse , a poacher is a low life, pure and simple and so ia a Jacker!

Re: Rattling deer

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Posted by standman on October 25, 2001 at 20:31:38:

In Reply to: Re: Rattling deer posted by Nimrod on October 25, 2001 at 18:15:25:

Thanks that gives me a better idea of how to try. I guess I will learn a lot over experience. I'm going to try in the ganny tommorrow and over the next few days.

Re: Rattling deer

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Posted by Nimrod on October 25, 2001 at 18:15:25:

In Reply to: Rattling deer posted by standman on October 24, 2001 at 15:37:49:

Here are a few tips:

1. the amount of buck fighting that goes on can largely depend on the buck-to-doe ratio on your area; i.e. lots of females to go around means less conflicts between bucks. This can impact on the success of this technique; 2. when you start, begin by just tickling the antlers together at first, in case a buck happens to be real close by, then you can build the intensity. Early in the season (pre-rut), go easy, as such activity peaks during the rut, but isn't terribly common (in this neck of the woods) before and after; 3. keep in mind that a buck will try to circle around and get your scent, so try to set up in an area where the deer can't approach from downwind, or at least not without being seen (such as an opening, water, etc.); 4. use your grunt tube at the same time, and also whack the ground and rake some branches to add to the realism; 5. try to picture in your mind two real bucks fighting, and try to imitate that; 6. two guys works best, so one guy can concentrate on rattling while the other has gun ready in case one comes in "hot"; 7. full camo is almost essential, since the deer will focus on the source of the sound; 8. binoculars help to spot deer that are trying to sneak in, especially lesser bucks that may be afraid of getting thumped; 9. some type of makeshift or natural blind can be helpful just to hide your arm movements.

Hope this helps. Good luck, and let us know how you do.

but they changed it read carefully for the ...

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Posted by chessy on October 25, 2001 at 18:07:51:

In Reply to: Excerpt from Regs posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:48:40:

lying chasing in prusut off ...... for the porpus of taking the animal they had to change the rule cause of the bird watchers and wild life photographres that do the same and they did not need a lic it is simmple if you think about it no lic means you cant bird watch or take pic so they changed it

Question I asked on Ask The CO

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Posted by Gunnerman on October 25, 2001 at 17:29:25:

In Reply to: Excerpt from Regs posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:48:40:

Question 48:

I would like to know if you can please "shed some light" on the following:

1/ Is it permissable to "jack light" deer/game at night if you have ABSOLUTELY no guns/ammo etc. in your vehicle. This would be in regards to simply driving around "observing" wildlife at night. NOT HUNTING them in any way.

I have been given conflicting answers on the above with regards to it being during an OPEN SEASON, CLOSED SEASON, etc. and was hoping that you could perhaps answer in a more "official" capacity.

Asked June 12/00

Answer from the MNR

The answer is that the answer is not simple. Let me explain.

The definition of hunt in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act reads:

"hunting" includes,

lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or capturing or harassing wildlife, except that "hunting" does not include, trapping, or lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of or pursuing wildlife for a purpose other than attempting to kill, injure, capture or harass it, unless the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed as a result, Using this definition you see that "jacklighting", even without a gun present in the vehicle, could be interpreted as hunting if the courts felt that the animals were being harassed as a result of the activity. While you may feel than your individual activity may not amount to harassment, the deer may not agree with you!

Rural landowners, too, have shared with officers their concerns when high powered spotlights pan over their residences late at night. It can be very distressful to lay in bed and wonder if there is going to be a shot fired with the light.

My suggestion is because this is an activity which is open to interpretation and dependent upon some very fine nuances in behaviour, that you discuss your plans with your district enforcement supervisor in the area that you would like to engage in the activity. While some districts will tolerate some forms of night viewing, in others this has become such a problem that they will consider charges.

Re: Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by Gunnerman on October 25, 2001 at 17:27:12:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blind Ethics posted by Gunnerman on October 15, 2001 at 14:35:26:

As posted on the Ask the CO Page:

Question 59:

Can I build a duck blind on crown land? If yes, do I need to register it? Anything on this subject is welcome.

Asked August 8, 2000

Answer from the MNR

Yes, you can build a blind on crown land. The placing of hunting blinds in Crown owned marshland is a privilege that the MNR continues to extend to hunters. Hunters need to investigate the ownership of a desired location prior to placing a blind to ensure that they are not locating their blind over private land. The blind does not need to be registered, although it is common practice in many areas for hunters to put their name on their blind. The placement of a blind on Crown land does not guarantee any rights to the use of that particular blind. However, usual hunter etiquette indicates that the "builder" should be reserved the ability to be the sole user for the opening day of the hunt.

Hunters are reminded that blinds should be portable and that hey be prepared to remove all materials if requested to do so by a Ministry official. As well, they are reminded that approvals are required to cut any trees growing on Crown Land. Federal and Provincial legislation prohibits any structure which may impede or otherwise interfere with navigation. You may be liable to charges and/or civil action if you construct a blind in the normal navigational channels which is subsequently hit by another boater.

Excerpt from Regs

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:48:40:

In Reply to: Re: nothing illeagle about jacken deer posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:23:18:

Still sounds illeagal to me. This is from the 2001 regs. First it describes what hunting is, then it says no lights aloud! "HUNTING includes lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed. You need a hunting licence to do any of these things, except where the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act states otherwise. No person shall use, for the purpose of hunting, any device capable of throwing or casting rays of light on any object."

Re: nothing illeagle about jacken deer

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:23:18:

In Reply to: nothing illeagle about jacken deer posted by chessy on October 25, 2001 at 16:12:04:

As far as I know there still is a law against harassing animals with a light. Gun or no gun!

nothing illeagle about jacken deer

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Posted by chessy on October 25, 2001 at 16:12:04:

In Reply to: Poachers posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:02:19:

there is no longer a fine for jacken deer with a light as long as there is no firearm in the truck

Poachers

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 25, 2001 at 16:02:19:

I just thought I would remind everyone to keep their eyes open around this time of year. I Was coming home the other night when I saw a pick up driving slow along side some fields. I went to the corner and turned around to see what they were up to. By then they had pulled into the field and were shining it. I could't get any plates. I have lost deer in the past to poachers hunting at night. Just thought I would remind people to keep an eye open and report a poacher!

Re: Nanticoke Ducks?

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Posted by Braden on October 25, 2001 at 15:15:25:

In Reply to: Nanticoke Ducks? posted by Taz on October 25, 2001 at 13:57:25:

Long point on Wednesday, 24th. Winds S-SW Hunting was good, I was with friend Matt Ende who also frequents this board. We had a mixed bag of GW teal, Ringneck, Mallard, Widgeon, and one lonely drake Wood Duck that scooted in at first light. Wind and weather died off about 11 am and flights seemed to cease entirely. There had been sporadic Mallard and teal activity up to this point. Only divers we saw where the pair of drake Ringneck we killed. Not a ton of divers around nanticoke just yet, should be soon though, according to Matt. They should be turning up thick on Lake O. anytime now also.

Re: Nanticoke Ducks?

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Posted by Braden on October 25, 2001 at 15:14:29:

In Reply to: Nanticoke Ducks? posted by Taz on October 25, 2001 at 13:57:25:

Long point on Wednesday, 24th. Winds S-SW Hunting was good, I was with friend Matt Ende who also frequents this board. We had a mixed bag of GW teal, Ringneck, Mallard, Widgeon, and one lonely drake Wood Duck that scooted in at first light. Wind and weather died off about 11 am and flights seemed to cease entirely. There had been sporadic Mallard and teal activity up to this point. Only divers we saw where the pair of drake Ringneck we killed. Not a ton of divers around nanticoke just yet, should be soon though, according to Matt. They should be turning up thick on Lake O. anytime now also.

Nanticoke Ducks?

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Posted by Taz on October 25, 2001 at 13:57:25:

Has anyone been hunting the Lake Erie shore in the Nanticoke area? Used to hunt there years ago from shore and did well on the divers. Also how has Long Point been? Thinking about heading there the weekend after this. We've been doing great getting the geese but I'd like to get some ducks, especially the divers. Any help would be appreciated, Taz.

Re: where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA?

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Posted by Leon on October 25, 2001 at 12:26:17:

In Reply to: Re: where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA? posted by Mike on October 25, 2001 at 06:13:54:

It's Ontario Sporting Supplies (or Goods?).

Re: 3-foot Chop????

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Posted by Brade on October 25, 2001 at 10:51:57:

In Reply to: Re: 3-foot Chop???? posted by Kirk on October 25, 2001 at 09:20:16:

In water like that I'm using the tried and true method of walking down the beach, using a rock to hide behind and finding 2 really heavy rocks to hold either end of a gang rig out maybe 20 yards into the lake. Nothing fancy for sure, but you get some great multi-specie shooting! And no I wouldn't go boating in that weather either. The nice part about it is you don't even need your dog, as even cripples are washed right into your feet.

Re: 3-foot Chop????

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Posted by Kirk on October 25, 2001 at 09:20:16:

In Reply to: Re: Which decoys? posted by Braden on October 24, 2001 at 17:42:39:

Hey Braden...I've heard that the bad weather is best for divers but I wouldn't dream of going out into a 3-foot chop on Lake Ontario! What setup are you using to handle the rough-stuff?

Kirk

Re: Thanks

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Posted by Kirk on October 25, 2001 at 09:13:00:

In Reply to: Lots of good advice here. posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 25, 2001 at 08:47:43:

Thanks Guys!

I'll have a look at the Herter's web page. I know the difference a good decoy can make. I have a couple of old hand carved wooden bluebills. Occasionally I'll throw them out along with the half-dozen cheap plastic deeks I have. Those wooden decoys look so real next to the plastic that I keep thinking a duck has set down in my spread without me seeing it.

Thanks for the advice.

Kirk

Lots of good advice here.

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 25, 2001 at 08:47:43:

In Reply to: Re: Which decoys? posted by Kern on October 24, 2001 at 16:15:56:

The guys here are able to offer lots of good advice based on years of experience.

There are some comments about Herter's decoys. They certainly are a nice decoy, no doubt and I have several myself. Not the most rugged decoy made though.

If you are just starting diver hunting I would suggest getting about 3 dozen to start and then build from there. Ultimately you don't need anything fancy for divers. Even used mallard decoys repainted will do the job. Flat black, white and red primer Tremclad paint will make up a nice set of bluebill and redhead decoys. Medium brown is all you need for the hens.

Every year keep adding to your rig whenever you can. You will eventually discover what you like best.

I started with Carry-lites and Flambeau's for years and eventually graduated to Herter's. Now I make most of my own decoys out of cork.

You can also buy unpainted unassembled Herter's decoys and paint them yourself. A lot of guys also burlap wrap the bodies before painting which make them really tough. As far as painting them it is easy. If I can do it, anyone can. Bottomline is get around 3 dozen with lots of black and white and you will be ready to go.

Good luck, Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA?

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Posted by Mike on October 25, 2001 at 06:13:54:

In Reply to: where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA? posted by 2tall on October 24, 2001 at 21:40:24:

Got mine last year at a store, forget the name, but i'm sure someone out here can advise you. It's on Hwy 7, no the south side just east of Jane Street.

Long Pt and St Lawrence

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Posted by whack a quack on October 25, 2001 at 01:15:21:

A quick report on hunting at Long Pt and on the St Lawrence R. Over thanksgiving weekend I hunted Long Point and had mixed results on Fri and Sat (swatting mosquitos on Fri), ended up with a few birds each day but the front came through on Sunday and Mondays hunting was some of the best I have experienced. Due to the mixed reults on the weekend I went out alone on Mon and ended up with 6 mallards (5 drakes and one hen). Finished by 7:30 am, lots of northern birds, no pinfeathers and they could not get into the decoys fast enough. Hunted the St Lawrence R over the past weekend and ended up with a mixed bag of mallards, bluebills and buffleheads. Also got 3 geese on Sat, I have seen blacks but not got any yet :( Shooting was slow and ended up with 6 birds on Fri (2 hunters) and 8 ducks and 3 geese on Sat. Took my 5 yr old to the blind on Sat and he had a great time.

Re: Which decoys?

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Posted by Hunter on October 24, 2001 at 21:55:30:

In Reply to: Re: Which decoys? posted by Braden on October 24, 2001 at 17:42:39:

I second the Herters. Best dekes on the water, they will last a lifetime. You may have to repaint after 4-5 years, but its pretty easy. If you want to knock off a few dollars on the price, you can buy unpainted ones. Canvasbacks/Bluebills are very easy to paint! They are worth the money if you plan on going at it seriously. If not, buy a couple dozen cheap plastics and spend the bucks on roboduck!

where can I buy Challenger slugs in GTA?

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Posted by 2tall on October 24, 2001 at 21:40:24:

Anyone know what stores carry Challenger slugs?

Re: Which decoys?

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Posted by Braden on October 24, 2001 at 17:42:39:

In Reply to: Which decoys? posted by Kirk on October 24, 2001 at 15:46:15:

If your going to do any serious diver shooting, weighted keels are a must. Yes they are a b*tch to carry, but when you have 3 foot chop (when the shooting is typically best) you'll be thanking the almighty that you purchased weighted keels! Add to that, you can chuck em out willy nilly, and not have to walk around afterward righting half of your spread. If you are seriously considering up to 250 per doz. I suggest you check out www.herters.com look at the standard Herters foam decoy, and select the Magnum category. For about $180 canadian per doz, they are some of the nicest blocks around. Yeah, a large spread is nice, but I'd rather have 3 dozen herters magnum foamers than 6 dozen flambeau or carrylites. Believe me, I have plenty of this type of decoy, but having hunted over the herters blocks recently, I can honestly say there is no comparison. I am upgrading my spread over the next year to a herters rig. I'll just use my plastic decoys for when I feel like pulling out all the stops. And truth be told, a little rough weather, and a dozen decoys will get you a pantsload of diver shooting anyway!

Re: Which decoys?

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Posted by YXE on October 24, 2001 at 16:57:37:

In Reply to: Re: Which decoys? posted by YXE on October 24, 2001 at 16:44:15:

Check supershopper.com there is a listing for (15) Blue Bills and Redheads for sale for $80.00.

YXE

Re: Which decoys?

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Posted by YXE on October 24, 2001 at 16:44:15:

In Reply to: Which decoys? posted by Kirk on October 24, 2001 at 15:46:15:

If you are not in a big hurry to make your purchase, you may want to take a look at Ebay.com for your decoys, you might be able to find a better deal.

YXE

Savage Side By Side

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 24, 2001 at 16:42:35:

I am thinking of getting a used Savage Fox Side by side. I was wondering if anyone has used these to shoot deer. It is choked full and modified, so it could be a Buck Shot/slug combo. What kind of pattern does it give. I heard these old guns hold a pattern better than any of the new guns out there. My grandfather has killed alot of meat with his. Just wondering if it is worth getting. Thanks

Re: Which decoys?

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Posted by Kern on October 24, 2001 at 16:15:56:

In Reply to: Which decoys? posted by Kirk on October 24, 2001 at 15:46:15:

If you have to carry that decoy bag, the water keels are alot easier to carry.

Kern

Which decoys?

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Posted by Kirk on October 24, 2001 at 15:46:15:

I'm going to buy a couple dozen diver decoys. The prices range from about $100 to $250 per dozen. I like the Flambeau bluebills with the weighted keel since I think a weighted keel will ride the rough water better.

Does anyone have a preference? Does it even make a difference? Is a larger spread more important than the quality of the decoy.

This is a big investment so I want to get the right ones the first time.

Thanks for the advice.

Kirk

Rattling deer

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Posted by standman on October 24, 2001 at 15:37:49:

Can anyone give me some tips. I have my 10 pt bucks rack that I am going to make into a pair of rattles. I need some tips on how to rattle when, where anything else that could help me. I've been watching buck masters I guess I want that big one they always get! thanks in advance.

Re: First Moose

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Posted by P-Neck on October 24, 2001 at 11:20:29:

In Reply to: First Moose posted by Jude on October 24, 2001 at 10:29:55:

Congratulations. Sounds like you will have a full freezer.

First Moose

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Posted by Jude on October 24, 2001 at 10:29:55:

Hey guys, Just thought I'd let you know that I finally got my first moose last week. It was a nice cow and my buddy managed to drop the calf as well. Hunting area 28 near Matheson. All done by 9am Monday morning. Good Times!

Re: Slug Barrel for Wingmaster

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Posted by Don on October 23, 2001 at 17:10:19:

In Reply to: Slug Barrel for Wingmaster posted by Goose Getter on October 23, 2001 at 14:30:00:

I believe you can interchange the barrels as I was given the option when I purchased my slug barrel.It would be functional,but would alter the look of your gun.Don

Re: Bears

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Posted by Nimrod on October 23, 2001 at 16:05:32:

In Reply to: Bears posted by Rob on October 09, 2001 at 19:06:23:

1. Some bears are shot during deer and moose seasons as an "incidental catch", but still-hunting would be very much a needle-in-a-haystack proposition, unless you were in an area that you knew had a high concentration of bears. 2. Hunting from a stand? Same thing, unless you are hunting over an active bait, and "active" is the key word. Usually guys who hunt over bait have numerous baits set out weeks in advance, otherwise the chances of a bear finding your bait in a couple of days and then starting to make a habit out of coming to it is very slim. As for what baits to use, sweet and smelly is the key, such as rotten meat (or a moose gut pile!!), donuts, honey pots, etc. 3. In terms of what they are doing this time of year, well, it won't be long before they begin to shut it down for the winter. In the meantime, they are looking to eat and put on fat for the winter. Apple orchards are hot in the early- to mid-fall, but it might be a little late now, and I don't know if there are too many orchards where you moose hunt. They are essentially nocturnal, however, with last light usually being the best time to see bears over a bait. 4. Bears can be called, but I don't know of a lot of people doing it, especially around here. The call is a varmint call and makes the sound of a dying rabbit, etc. Again, a concentration of bears would be required to make this effective, and I wouldn't like my chances of being able to see the bear before he sees me, since he knows where the sound is coming from. 5. I'm not sure what you mean about conflicts/overlap?

Re: aerial photos?

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Posted by Nimrod on October 23, 2001 at 15:46:59:

In Reply to: Re: aerial photos? posted by Wisky on October 22, 2001 at 19:45:42:

MNR information office, at Queen's Park.

Slug Barrel for Wingmaster

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 23, 2001 at 14:30:00:

I own a Remington Wingmaster 870. Can I put an express slug barrel on this or does it have to be specifically for the wingmaster.

Re: Ganaraska Forest - your allowed portable stands

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Posted by Kirk on October 23, 2001 at 09:37:09:

In Reply to: Re: Ganaraska Forest - your allowed portable stands posted by Brad on October 20, 2001 at 11:32:17:

Brad,

I'd would like to think you're correct because I have a portable stand that I would love to use in the forest. I've never called the Conservation Authority to verify whether portable stands are permitted or not, but the booklet I have from the GRCA does not differentiate between portable stands and permanent stands.

Have you confirmed this with the GRCA?

Thanks for the info.

Kirk

Re: Bowhunting

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Posted by Rob S on October 22, 2001 at 21:26:52:

In Reply to: Re: Bowhunting posted by Tomm on October 21, 2001 at 21:56:35:

the scent thing just aint true , ive hunted from the same stand (s) for years day in day out. night in night out.sure the deer may get spooked and move off for a day or to but they stick to there home range and food sorces. Ived found hunting in southern york region can pose a challenge because theses critters are so crop depedant, when a farmer cuts his corn or beans or plants winter wheat bang the deer will switch on you over night. The trick is multiple stands and or areas if thats possible most of all the rut is yet to begin so just hang in there!

use the same as you sight in with

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Posted by 2tall on October 22, 2001 at 20:59:59:

In Reply to: 30.06 Bullets posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

Don't forget to use the same ammo you used to sight in with. There can be amazing differences in point of impact when switching between brands.

After sighting in my .270 with Win. pp130gr., I swithced to Rem. CoreLok 130gr. The point of impact changed by 6 inches at 100 yds. It still grouped together, but was 6 inches away from the Winchester group.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 22, 2001 at 20:46:22:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Howard on October 19, 2001 at 21:17:32:

Hi Howard, I just looked back to see what it was you responded to, .... I don't think I was comparing matchrifle to improving slug guns. My comment was that by "adding a scpoe to a slug gun" would not increase the accuracy of the gun, but increase the sight picture clarity of the person shooting said gun. The purpose of my example to match was the original post implied if the gun groups well at a short distance, then add a scope and it will shoot well at longer distances. My example is just that if the target increases insize further out, then the "sight picture" is the same as short distances, with the only adjustments to the sights being the elevation.

Accually now that I think of it what's really different theoretically between the two, ...? The theory/principle to shoot a single projectile and place it at a specific spot down range, are the processes not the same?? I mean the "separate shooting techniques" you speak of, are they not Position/Stance, Grip, Sight Alinement, Breathing, Trigger Control & Followthrough????

Stay Safe, Shoot Straight, & Have A Safe Hunt

Re: aerial photos?

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Posted by Wisky on October 22, 2001 at 19:45:42:

In Reply to: aerial photos? posted by Hunter on October 12, 2001 at 10:46:37:

Sorry but no. I have been striking out in this area. If you have any luck let me know.

Thx.

Re: 30.06 Bullets

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Posted by Nimrod on October 22, 2001 at 18:03:45:

In Reply to: Re: 30.06 Bullets posted by Don on October 22, 2001 at 09:45:40:

Sid, Steve and Don both make excellent points. No, you don't need a premium bullet for deer, but it doesn't hurt. And, if you plan to hunt moose as well, all the better. It does make life simpler to have just one kind of ammo for both. Having said that, I use Remington 180 PSP Core-Lokts for deer and moose, with great results. I believe the Core-Lokts to be the most "premium" of the non-premium bullets (Winchester Power Points, Federal). I have considered switching to a premium bullet (I'm not too crazy about the Fail Safe myself), but I get such good accuracy from the Core-Lokts that it's hard to switch. Go with whatever shoots best for you, especially if you are only after deer.

Re: Luther Marsh

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Posted by Ivan on October 22, 2001 at 16:13:26:

In Reply to: Luther Marsh posted by Ivan on October 22, 2001 at 08:53:36:

I will be hunting ducks.

Re: Bowhunting

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 22, 2001 at 14:09:46:

In Reply to: Re: Bowhunting posted by Bow Nut on October 19, 2001 at 13:35:16:

Hunting in 79. First two nights nothing. Saturday morning, had a buck follow me in in the dark. Couldn't shoot - too dark. About an hour later had a big doe at 3 yards. She was right under me. No anterless tag. Its starting to get interesting!!!!

Re: Luther Marsh

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Posted by YXE on October 22, 2001 at 13:30:04:

In Reply to: Luther Marsh posted by Ivan on October 22, 2001 at 08:53:36:

What are you planning to hunt for, Ducks or Pheasants ??

We had a good shoot this past Sat. for ducks, but a boat/canoe is required.

YXE

Re: 30.06 Bullets

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Posted by Don on October 22, 2001 at 09:45:40:

In Reply to: 30.06 Bullets posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

Hi,Sid I agree with Steve that deer are not that difficult to kill at times.However,I once shot a buck at 215yds(range finder)the bullet entered behind the front shoulder and exited the neck.I thought it was a good hit.Problem was the jacket seperated from the core only the jacket came out the core deflected up into the shoulder.Six hours later the deer was recovered.That deer influenced me to use quality bullets.As well it has simplified life as I shoot one bullet for moose and deer with controlled expansion at 20 or 200yds.Everyone has there own prefeances that have been influenced by personnal experiences.I believe premiums are worth the expense,just my opinion however, Happy hunting Don

Re: who wants to tear a shoulder up what a waste ???

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Posted by dave on October 22, 2001 at 09:23:21:

In Reply to: who wants to tear a shoulder up what a waste ??? posted by chessy on October 21, 2001 at 20:18:58:

I agree,Failsafes aren't worth what you pay for them and who aims for the front shoulder.The majority of the vitals lie behind the shoulder. If you are not planning on reloading your own bullets Hornady 165 gr.bullets have grouped well in my '06 and offer a point plank range out to approx.330 yards.Don't settle on a brand until you have run a few different brands through it. Good Luck dave

Luther Marsh

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Posted by Ivan on October 22, 2001 at 08:53:36:

Hi, can anyone give me a report of luther marsh. I am planning on going this weekend.

Thanks Ivan.

Oh Deer...:)

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on October 22, 2001 at 02:33:15:

In Reply to: 30.06 Bullets posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

Hi Sid. Haven't we (accidentally) opened a can of worms! You've asked a question akin to "Which truck is better?" or "How should I vote?" You'll get lots of responses! Your question is a good one though. Like another poster said, different rifles like different loads, so you're going to have to try a few brands to find out. First, without meaning to start any fights, you said that you're after deer from 50 to 200 yards. IMO, forget any cartridges topped with premium bullets. Deer aren't hard to kill. The big plus to premiums is their ability to penetrate and hold together when going through tough hides, bone and muscles. I haven't come across an armoured deer yet. :) No point spending money on something that's not called for in this scenario. Since you're looking for factory cartridges, I suggest you try Federals, Winchesters and Remingtons...the std loads that is. Bullet weight is another one of these preference things too. Since you're asking for opinions, I suggest 180s, only because they deliver more punch than a 150.

My recommendation, a standard 180 grainer from one of the big three. Remington Core Lokts, Winxhester Power Points or Federal Classic Soft Points.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell 303british.com

Re: 30.06 Bullets

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Posted by Herb on October 22, 2001 at 00:01:18:

In Reply to: 30.06 Bullets posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

My personal choice would be 150 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet. I roll my own ammo but I think Federal loads that one in some of their cartridges.

Re: Bowhunting

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Posted by Tomm on October 21, 2001 at 21:56:35:

In Reply to: Re: Bowhunting posted by Brad on October 20, 2001 at 11:35:03:

I've replied by e-mail to the two inquireries. Been back one more time to each of my 3 stands and nothing seen. I've learned 2 lessons from this: 1. The stands are best the first or possibly the second time used...after this there must be enough lingering human scent that the deer change their patterns. 2. A bird in the hand....next time I'll take the easy shot on the doe right below me and try for the buck another time. Any agreements or comments on these 2 points?

Try sticking to the Question

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Posted by Ray on October 21, 2001 at 20:59:10:

In Reply to: Re: 30.06 Bullets posted by Ray on October 20, 2001 at 22:27:39:

Well Men it's only my prefernce maybe you should try helping Sid out with grains and different shells to try then knock what I said. I was only trying to help.I actually use this caliber of gun and have killed many deer the vitalls are behind the shoulder.

who wants to tear a shoulder up what a waste ???

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Posted by chessy on October 21, 2001 at 20:18:58:

In Reply to: Re: fail safe a joke posted by Herb on October 21, 2001 at 20:14:23:

who wants to do that i have seen us throw front shoulders out on deer cause of a shoulder shot to me that is a stupid place to take a shot you want it just behind the front shoulder jmo

Re: fail safe a joke

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Posted by Herb on October 21, 2001 at 20:14:23:

In Reply to: fail safe a joke posted by chessy on October 21, 2001 at 17:40:33:

Fail Safe bullets are not designed to expand much. They are meant to break heavy bones. When you want the animal to drop in its tracks you can use this bullet to break the shoulder. They are no good for lung shots.

fail safe a joke

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Posted by chessy on October 21, 2001 at 17:40:33:

In Reply to: Re: 30.06 Bullets posted by Ray on October 20, 2001 at 22:27:39:

i would not give you two cents for a fail safe bullet my brother shot a moose in the neck with one the bullet stoped the bullet did not even mushroom out the bullet could almost be reloaded mmmmmm i wonder what would have happend if he shot it in the chest and never struck a bone it would have acted like a millatary bullet i would think twice befor i shot em ever

Re: 30.06 Bullets

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Posted by Don on October 21, 2001 at 08:49:34:

In Reply to: 30.06 Bullets posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

Hi Ray, Every gun shoots various brands of ammunition differantly. I would suggest trying a number of brands to see what works well in your gun. I shoot federal premium 30.06 180gr Nosler partition bullets in both my 30.06s.Ammunition is probably the cheapest part of your hunt yet one of the most important. Buy a quality ammunition with a quality bullet(swift, partition,trophy bonded etc,)and you will be very satisfied.Happy hunting. Don

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by justin on October 20, 2001 at 22:36:52:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Tackleberry on October 18, 2001 at 18:55:55:

I hunt with a group of 10 guys in a controlled hunt. Everyone who doesn't have a rifled barrel uses Chanllenger slugs. They are amazingly accurate in all smooth bores we've tried.

They aren't Foster slugs. I believe they are called Brenke (spelling?). The plastic wad is screwed into the lead. Both the slug and the wad are rifled. The wad stays with the slug when it leaves the barrel because it is attaches. It acts as a stabilizer the same way that fletchings on an arrow or bolt work.

They truly are amazing.

Sabots in smooth bores tumble and are really inconsistent.

Re: 30.06 Bullets

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Posted by Ray on October 20, 2001 at 22:27:39:

In Reply to: 30.06 Bullets posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

If you are going to be shooting at 200 yards I would us the winchester suprem failsafe 150 gr they are a silver casing.I shoot the 180gr powerpoint but only shooting 100yrds and in I have good luck with remmington 180 corlock softpoint to but u are better of shooting 150-165 gr at 200 yrds. good luck hunting

The divers are in thick.....

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 20, 2001 at 15:42:05:

and the shooting has been excellent. We are hunting the Bay of Quinte/Lake Ontario area. Some good layout boat shoots already, and lots of migrant mallards and blacks coming in.

Looks like it is going to be a good year.

Good luck, Brent

30.06 Bullets

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Posted by Sid Guida on October 20, 2001 at 15:26:39:

Just purchased a 30.06. Need to know what kind of bullets to buy for deer. Shots will be anywhere from 50-200 yards. Thanks for your help.

Re: Bowhunting

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Posted by Brad on October 20, 2001 at 11:35:03:

In Reply to: Re: Bowhunting posted by Dave on October 19, 2001 at 02:55:15:

I hunt 75 as well just outside lindsay, not too much action yet. Seen a bunch of does. Where abouts are you hunting?

Re: Ganaraska Forest - your allowed portable stands

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Posted by Brad on October 20, 2001 at 11:32:17:

In Reply to: Re: Ganaraska Forest - No Tree Stands posted by Kirk on October 19, 2001 at 11:56:27:

You can't have a non movable stand it has to be a portable one. No constructed stands even if your going o tear them down.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Howard on October 19, 2001 at 21:24:09:

In Reply to: sabots vrs slugs posted by 2tall on October 16, 2001 at 18:49:36:

F.Y.I.....Sabot slugs are designed to be fired from a rifled barrel,it says so right on the box.Foster slugs are meant for smoothbore barrels.Also buckshot is banned in many U.S. states when deer hunting.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Howard on October 19, 2001 at 21:17:32:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Tackleberry on October 18, 2001 at 18:55:55:

Tackleberry, please do not compare match rifle shooting to improving the accuracy of a slug gun. I also shot match rifle competition around Ontario, they are two separate shooting techniques.If you are not sure read a few articles written by guys like Dave Henderson he is considered an authority on the subject of slug guns and Randy Fritz who makes custom slug guns down in Bloomsbury Pennsylvania.

Re: Bear tag limit?

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Posted by Nimrod on October 19, 2001 at 15:22:58:

In Reply to: Bear tag limit? posted by Jay on October 18, 2001 at 01:09:40:

As far as I know, there used to be a loop hole that allowed this, but it "closed" a couple of years ago so that only one bear could be taken annually. However, I am rather surprised that it is not in the Regs.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Hunter on October 19, 2001 at 15:18:44:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Pete on October 19, 2001 at 12:51:15:

Ive got the same gun, have had it bored to modified though. You can put a slug through it, but it will deform the slug when it passes through the choke. Sabot will have terrible accuracy after probably 40 yards. Alot of guys, dont trust buckshot, if held 50 yards and under 00 buck is all thats needed. Ive tried to convince the last guy in our group who hasnt bought a slug gun to shoot buckshot, he wont have anything to do with it. He lobs slugs at deer every year, still hasnt killed one. If he was shooting buckshot, he would have gotten one every year!

Re: Bowhunting

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Posted by Bow Nut on October 19, 2001 at 13:35:16:

In Reply to: Bowhunting posted by Tomm on October 18, 2001 at 21:51:35:

Our season here, 66A, only opens Oct. 15. Managed to shoot a small buck on Oct 18/2001. I saw seven in total on the 18th. When I started blood trailing the buck I could here something behind me. I turned around and saw a doe following me about thirty yards away.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Pete on October 19, 2001 at 12:51:15:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Hunter on October 17, 2001 at 17:46:41:

Hunter,

I have an Ithica Featherlight pump that I bought back in 1979 when I got back from Junior Rangers. It does not have any interchangeable choke tubes. Thanks for the advice.

As for the purely theoretical (and practical)... If you shoot any slug through a full choke, would it do damage? and does the 'casing' of a sobot cushion the blow so to speak?

Thanks again as we finally decided to give the controlled hunt a try and my brother and I were both drawn for WMU #80.

Good luck with your fall endeavors.

Pete

Re: Ganaraska Forest - No Tree Stands

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Posted by Kirk on October 19, 2001 at 11:56:27:

In Reply to: Ganaraska Forest posted by standman on October 16, 2001 at 23:16:26:

Just remember, tree stands are not allowed in the Ganaraska Forest.

Good luck!

Kirk

I thought you are supposed to identify before you shoot?

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Posted by Gary on October 19, 2001 at 11:23:04:

In Reply to: What kind of duck is that? posted by Leon on October 18, 2001 at 22:21:11:

no msg

Re: Ganaraska Forest???

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Posted by Mike on October 19, 2001 at 06:31:07:

In Reply to: Re: Ganaraska Forest??? posted by 2tall on October 18, 2001 at 17:10:54:

I used to hunt there when I was much younger, about 30 years ago for rabbit & squirrel, wasn't a deer hunter back then, plus did tons of dirt bike riding in there as well as weekend trainning with the militia. Awesome place & i'm sure it hasn't changed all that much.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Mike on October 19, 2001 at 06:27:54:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Tackleberry on October 18, 2001 at 18:55:55:

Have to agree wiht you Tack...my 870 has a rifled slug barrel & I too can get excellent groups at 100 yrds with open sights. I use the Tru-glow sights on mine and as Tony the Tiger would say..........."they are grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat"!

Re: Bowhunting

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Posted by Dave on October 19, 2001 at 02:55:15:

In Reply to: Bowhunting posted by Tomm on October 18, 2001 at 21:51:35:

Where about in 75 are you hunting? Anyplace public? I got a 2nd buck tag for bow-only there, need an area to fill it!!

Re: Ganaraska Forest???

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Posted by OnnO on October 18, 2001 at 22:47:47:

In Reply to: Re: Ganaraska Forest??? posted by 2tall on October 18, 2001 at 17:10:54:

Thanks 2tall, checked the web site, such a nice place, try to visit real soon.

Re: What kind of duck is that?

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Posted by Braden on October 18, 2001 at 22:30:12:

In Reply to: What kind of duck is that? posted by Leon on October 18, 2001 at 22:21:11:

Hen Goldeneye.

What kind of duck is that?

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Posted by Leon on October 18, 2001 at 22:21:11:

http://members.home.net/akazakin9928/duck.JPG

Please have a look. File is 50 K, so it takes time on modem connection. I realize the picture is not the best, but yet may be the experts will be able to tell.

Leon

Bowhunting

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Posted by Tomm on October 18, 2001 at 21:51:35:

Having a lot of fun bowhunting in WMU 75 1. Oct 10...I missed a big buck, chocolate brown and a big rack. Shot too soon. I shot at 50 yds and missed...should have waited. Damn Damn. 2. Oct 12.. was out in the pouring rain, and watched a buck and a doe feeding about 100 yds from me for an hour. Then I heard crack, crack in the woods behind me..a deer was coming out!!! Adrenaline pumping..bow up and drawn...and out came 2 wolves 10 feet below me.They hung around the area for about 15 min never realizing I was directly above them... 3. Oct 15...I went back to the same stand and at 6:00 , 2 does came towards me...I waited to see if a buck was following and sure enough out he came about 100 yds behind the does. The does passed right under me...it would have been an easy shot, but I waited for the buck.He was even bigger than the one from a week ago! As fate would have it he took the hypoteneuse of the triangle and was at least 50 yds from me. I did not shoot...I will get him another time. Exciting stuff!! 4. Was out last night and tonight, but nothing in sight...lots of cracking behind me!!!

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 18, 2001 at 18:55:55:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Howard on October 17, 2001 at 21:46:52:

Howard, I hate to burst your bubble, but I have consistantly fired a three round group, in 3.5" at 100yds with my Rem 870 ImpCyl smoothbore with rifle sights. For some reason my 870 loves those Challenger Slugs.

As for the comment about adding the scope for better groups a 100yds. The scope is for the shooter not the gun. If you consistantly shoot tight groups at 50yrds with iron sights you can do the same at 100yrds. The only difference is the target size needs to be increased so the sights don't over shadow your aiming mark. Please don't take this as a flame,...... I just thought I'd clarify for those that are learning.

How do I know, ...... I used to shoot match rifle from 300yrds back to 1000yrds. and I rarely changed my front sight insert. Shooting at 50yrds is the same as 1000yrds. (after sight adjustments) Position, Breathing, Sight Alinement, Trigger Control, Followthrough.

All the best on the hunt folks ....... Stay Safe and Shoot Straight!

Re: Ganaraska Forest???

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Posted by 2tall on October 18, 2001 at 17:10:54:

In Reply to: Ganaraska Forest??? posted by OnnO on October 18, 2001 at 10:27:51:

The Ganni is located near hwy 35/115. It's over 10500 acres, is run by Ganaraska Region Conservation Authority and requires a membership.

It's resonable at $25.00 for an individual and gives all year access for hiking, biking, off road atv's, snowmobiling etc.

I haven't hunted there....yet. Would like to know if anyone has any experience hunting there.

Check it out at http://www.grca.on.ca/

Ganaraska Forest???

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Posted by OnnO on October 18, 2001 at 10:27:51:

In Reply to: Re: Ganaraska Forest posted by Standman on October 17, 2001 at 13:37:16:

What's Ganaraska Forest? Public land? But you said they have a charge for access. WMA? but I can't find it on the map of the regulation book. As you described it is not too far away from me, please tell me more details about Ganaraska Forest.

Thank you in advance.

OnnO...

Re: Hey Mike!!

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Posted by Mike on October 18, 2001 at 09:38:31:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Mike!! posted by Matt on October 17, 2001 at 22:16:53:

Matt....make it around 7:30pm if possible as i'll be out bow hunting earlier..........Mike

Bear tag limit?

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Posted by Jay on October 18, 2001 at 01:09:40:

I have recently heard a guy saying that there is no limit on the number of bear tags you buy, kill one, buy another tag, this seems to be in contradiction to what I know, can anyone confirm this? I have looked thru this year's hunting regulation and not be able to find anything regarding this.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by 2tall on October 17, 2001 at 22:17:21:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Howard on October 17, 2001 at 21:46:52:

While I'm no expert, I do understand the need for rifled barrels (or slugs). I am surprised that you can do even that well with a sabot in a smooth barrel.

Thanks for your input. I guess the best way is to buy both and give 'em a try.

Re: Hey Mike!!

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Posted by Matt on October 17, 2001 at 22:16:53:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Mike!! posted by Mike on October 17, 2001 at 09:21:36:

Hey Mike;

Been real busy killing ducks... I'll call you Saturday!

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Howard on October 17, 2001 at 21:46:52:

In Reply to: sabots vrs slugs posted by 2tall on October 16, 2001 at 18:49:36:

To compare foster (conventional) slugs to sabot slugs, you first must look at the ballistic coeficient of the two.Foster slugs have a ballistic coeficient of .060 and sabot slugs have a ballistic coeficient of .200. This means that the two slugs are equal out to about 75 yards.At this point the foster slugs starts to drop fast. While the sabot slug will maintain its speed and energy out past 100 yards. Foster slugs are designed for Improved cylinder chokes, this slug does not spin when fired from a smoothbore barrel,this is a misconception.A smoothbore barrel with rifle sights, you should be able to get a five-inch group at 50 yards. Put a scope on and you should be able to shoot the same group at 100 yards.Installing a rifled barrel on your shotgun and using sabot slugs is the most significant step you can take towards accuracy. I shoot A Savage 210 rifled bolt-action 12-gauge slug gun. With sabot slugs it will shoot two-inch groups at 100 yards. have a safe hunt.

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Hunter on October 17, 2001 at 17:46:41:

In Reply to: Re: sabots vrs slugs posted by Pete on October 17, 2001 at 12:20:05:

What kind of gun do you have? and does it have screw in chokes. If its a remmington with screw-ins you can buy a rifled choke tube for it. Just a plain smoothbore used a foster-type slug. My suggestion, use buckshot, it drops deer under 50 yards!!

Re: Ganaraska Forest

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Posted by 2tall on October 17, 2001 at 15:47:11:

In Reply to: Ganaraska Forest posted by standman on October 16, 2001 at 23:16:26:

I was going to post about the Ganny today myself. You beat me to it. I was wondering what it was like for hunting. I have a pass, and have ridden my bike there a couple times. Any luck with small game or birds there? Do a lot of hunters go there? How was the deer hunting in past years?

Re: Ganaraska Forest

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Posted by Standman on October 17, 2001 at 13:37:16:

In Reply to: Re: Ganaraska Forest posted by Dave on October 17, 2001 at 02:57:12:

I hunt wilcox road and boundary road accessable from the top of highway 35 out of lindsay or via 115. Lots of deer. Gets better during shot gun when more people are moving them. You can purchase a pass for 25 dollars at noonans gas atation on the 115 south or from the conservation authority in porthope. Its a huge place I think roughly 25000 acres. The pass is good for a year and theres countless tarils for leisure and four wheeling. I spent four hours on my warrior there last week and only past the same road like twice!

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Pete on October 17, 2001 at 12:20:05:

In Reply to: sabots vrs slugs posted by 2tall on October 16, 2001 at 18:49:36:

Are there any restrictions for the choke you use when using a slug and if so can you improve the situation at all if you use a sabot vs a rifled slug? I have a 12 ga pump with an improved cylinder choke.

Re: Hey Mike!!

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Posted by Hunter on October 17, 2001 at 09:42:34:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Mike!! posted by Mike on October 17, 2001 at 09:21:36:

Well if things dont work out, you could possibly get in with us. Season is nov19-25. Email me at swamphopper@hotmail.com

Re: Hey Mike!!

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Posted by Mike on October 17, 2001 at 09:21:36:

In Reply to: Hey Mike!! posted by Hunter on October 16, 2001 at 09:56:45:

I'm in Brampton & am tentatively hunting around the Owen Sound/Wiarton area. Hooked up with another group from this board a month or so ago but haven't heard anything from them since then. Have a doe tag for 83A. Matt Ende, if you are reading this, give me a call on the weekend............Mike

Re: Deer hunting camp openings

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Posted by Alain on October 17, 2001 at 08:58:21:

In Reply to: Re: Deer hunting camp openings posted by Mike on October 16, 2001 at 08:40:46:

There is accommodation for 12 hunters……//…2 dogs are used for the chase......normally have 2 to 3 chases done per day dependin=g on results....You can bring your own dog if you wish.......high percentage sucess rate in the last 13 years………WMU 58 and 59 are used……please call the # above for further information ,……….they don't bite….I promise !!

Re: Deer hunting camp openings

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Posted by Alain on October 17, 2001 at 08:52:51:

In Reply to: Re: Deer hunting camp openings posted by Mike on October 16, 2001 at 08:40:46:

There is accommodation for 12 hunters………2 dogs are used for the chase normally 3 per day you can bring your own dog if you wish………WMU 58 and 59 are used……please call the # above for further information ,……….they don't bite….I promise !!

Re: Ganaraska Forest

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Posted by Dave on October 17, 2001 at 02:57:12:

In Reply to: Ganaraska Forest posted by standman on October 16, 2001 at 23:16:26:

Does anyone have directions to the Ganaraska Forest and a description of how big it is and what kind of terrain it is? How is the deer hunting there?

Ganaraska Forest

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Posted by standman on October 16, 2001 at 23:16:26:

Has anyone else been hunting the ganny lately? Deer havn't been moving quite as much as last year and not as much rutting activity yet few signs I think we need a good cold snap, and enough with the wind!

Re: sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by Sid on October 16, 2001 at 22:57:47:

In Reply to: sabots vrs slugs posted by 2tall on October 16, 2001 at 18:49:36:

Your best bet is to use a rifled slug. Sabots are only intended for rifled barrels. You can't make a sabot spin in a smoothbore. As for range a slug should be good out to 75 yards or so. While a sabot in a rifled barrel is good out to 150 yards(if you trust your yourself to shoot that far reliably)!!!!!!

sabots vrs slugs

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Posted by 2tall on October 16, 2001 at 18:49:36:

I would like to try deer hunting with a shotgun. I would like to know which to use, sabots or slugs. I'll be shooting a Winchester pump with a 24" smooth slug barrel.

Can I use sabots or are they only intended for rifled barrels? (if used in a smooth barrel, how do they get their "spin")

How does accuracy compare? Range?

Are there any advantages or disadvantages with either?

Thanks

Hey Mike!!

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Posted by Hunter on October 16, 2001 at 09:56:45:

In Reply to: Re: Deer hunting camp openings posted by Mike on October 16, 2001 at 08:40:46:

Mike, What area are you in? Ive got permission for 587 acres on Manitoulin. Might need 2 more guys(only 2 going so far).

Re: Deer hunting camp openings

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Posted by Mike on October 16, 2001 at 08:40:46:

In Reply to: Deer hunting camp openings posted by Alain on October 15, 2001 at 09:38:18:

HOw many people hunting......are dogs used & what is the WMU?

Re: Divers are in!!!!!!

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 15, 2001 at 15:58:33:

In Reply to: Re: Divers are in!!!!!! posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 15, 2001 at 10:31:00:

thanks! Happy hunting.

Sure Shot.

Re: Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by Gunnerman on October 15, 2001 at 14:35:26:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blind Ethics posted by P-Neck on October 15, 2001 at 09:23:32:

Most of the regulations pertaining to building these types of "structures" is/are covered under Federal waterways regulations. I don't know of a web site address, but it is the same laws that apply to ice huts etc., that being it is covered under Federal regulations (shipping act??) in regards to removal, liability, markings, what is/isn't allowed etc.

In most instances, the spring ice breakup will take care of any structure that you leave out (Simcoe, Rice, any of the bigger lakes) from year-to-year, but your structure could be a "hazard" to snowmobilers/atvers and the likes. I have personally left skids/blinds in a small river/marsh and they can last years and years if there is not much water/ice that can damage them.

As for your question re the 60' allowance along rivers, this again is a REALLY grey area. As on most rivers, unless deemed a "NAVIGABLE WATERWAY" the landowner can actually own the rights to the bottom of the lake/river, thus you would be trespassing if you actulally touch the bottom with anything. You would need to research EACH particular area you were interested in, requiring you to "knock on doors" or research it at the local library/land registry office, as this has also been discussed over on the Fishing Board (re fishing rivers along private property).

Re: Divers are in!!!!!!

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 15, 2001 at 10:31:00:

In Reply to: Re: Divers are in!!!!!! posted by Sure Shot on October 15, 2001 at 09:36:58:

I hunt Lake Ontario and the surrounding bodies of water around Brighton/Trenton/Belleville area. By November there should be around 20 000 in a 20 mile radius of Trenton. The 2000-3000 birds I mentioned was only one flock in a specific area, that I have been watching.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Deer hunting camp openings

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Posted by Alain on October 15, 2001 at 10:00:12:

In Reply to: Deer hunting camp openings posted by Alain on October 15, 2001 at 09:38:18:

in addition to above info: price is $350.00 and access to 500+ acres of land.

Deer hunting camp openings

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Posted by Alain on October 15, 2001 at 09:38:18:

Vacancies in Family run hunt camp for the week of November 11 through 17, 2001. Breakfast and dinner provided. ** Home cooked meals**. Lodgings in log cabins with Hydro.Washroom & showering facilities. Hunting on 300 acres of land ( marked trails ) near Calabogie. Phone (613) 432-5775.

Re: Divers are in!!!!!!

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 15, 2001 at 09:36:58:

In Reply to: Re: Divers are in!!!!!! posted by Brent on October 14, 2001 at 22:10:33:

Just wondering where you saw this many bluebills? And I would love to try hunting them any Idea on some areas to go to?

thanks in advance.

Immediate Call to Action.

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Posted by Herb on October 15, 2001 at 09:26:49:

All Ontario anglers and hunters please visit this site and pass it on.

http://www.ofah.org/

Herb.

Re: Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by P-Neck on October 15, 2001 at 09:23:32:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blind Ethics posted by Brent on October 14, 2001 at 22:07:46:

I agree on the opening day issue as well. Does anyone know the laws in regards to building permanent stand's on Public land. I am not talking about concrete and bricks, but is it legal to put wooden skids and maybe some poles for a frame if you are leaving them there. Also, what designates public land on the edges of rivers. Is it 60' allowance?

Re: Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by Gunnerman on October 15, 2001 at 09:20:46:

In Reply to: Duck Blind Ethics posted by Kirk on October 14, 2001 at 21:40:50:

Have built many a duck blind over the years (as well as commandeered many more) and the "unwritten" rule/etiquette of the marsh is that it is yours for opening day only ... then it is first come, first served.

Anyone can tear down "your" name and then stick "their" name on a blind and who is to say whose blind it is then. Blinds are usually built/staked out about a month before opening day ... so if you want to get a good spot, that is about the time frame most people use.

It is not really worth the hassle to build one, as you are probably better off being mobile on any kind of public waterway and the ducks soon wise up to what flying near one of these permanent blinds means.

Canoe wanted

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Posted by Daffy on October 15, 2001 at 09:19:30:

Anyone have a canoe or a small hunting boat for sale, or know where I can get one for a good price?

Re: Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by sparky on October 15, 2001 at 07:21:05:

In Reply to: Duck Blind Ethics posted by Kirk on October 14, 2001 at 21:40:50:

I'm with Brent on this one !

Sparky

Re: Divers are in!!!!!!

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Posted by Brent on October 14, 2001 at 22:10:33:

In Reply to: Re: Divers are in!!!!!! posted by Kern on October 14, 2001 at 18:24:48:

Kern:

The bluebills can be good eating. Like most, it depends on what they have been feeding on, but usually they are fine. Canvasbacks as I'm sure you know, are suppose to be the best eating duck there is.

As far as hunting them, there is no way to be humbled faster than when a flock of bills break in over the decoys. If you have never hunted them, and like hunting waterfowl, you owe it to yourself to try it.

Just my 2 cents. Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by Brent on October 14, 2001 at 22:07:46:

In Reply to: Duck Blind Ethics posted by Kirk on October 14, 2001 at 21:40:50:

Duck blinds are open to whoever wants to use them, if they are on public property.

Opening day usually sees guys putting signs up reserving their blinds, which most guys follow, but after that, they are wide open.

B.

www.diverducks.com

Duck Blind Ethics

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Posted by Kirk on October 14, 2001 at 21:40:50:

I wanted to build a duck blind this year but, when I went out, both locations already had duck blinds built there. However, I've been out duck hunting several times and there never seems to be anyone using the blinds. I'd really like to use them but I don't because I'm worried it's not ethical to use someone else's blind even if it is on Crown land.

Just wondering what other people's views are on the subject.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Kirk

Re: Divers are in!!!!!!

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Posted by Kern on October 14, 2001 at 18:24:48:

In Reply to: Divers are in!!!!!! posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 13, 2001 at 17:03:28:

Thats alot of "shake & bake"....I dont think Ive had Bluebills. How are they eatin wise?? How are they to shoot?? staight in like green heads or eratic like green wings??

Nice to hear some are around....only ducks I been seein is the odd group of woodys that come around my lil goose marsh. I guess that cold couple days we had was the ticket.

Kern

Thanks for the info... nomsg

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Posted by Brad on October 14, 2001 at 13:51:42:

In Reply to: Re: geese posted by Kern on October 12, 2001 at 15:37:48:

nomsg

Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by bowhunter on October 14, 2001 at 09:22:29:

In Reply to: Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season posted by Ray on October 11, 2001 at 22:35:38:

Hey Ray, You sound just like me. I hunt 67 and use a 30.06 Remington pump with a peep.

Re: geese

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Posted by steven on October 13, 2001 at 23:23:31:

In Reply to: geese posted by Brad on October 12, 2001 at 11:53:48:

yeah i would just pluck the breast feathers/skin them and then remove the breast meat.

Re: Anticosti Island

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Posted by brian on October 13, 2001 at 19:38:45:

In Reply to: Anticosti Island posted by Nimrod on October 12, 2001 at 15:07:15:

Nimrod I went last year about this time. Duck/deer hunt. Saw alot of deer 200 for a week just while hunting. On our hunt the guide was with us all the time, I know others that go and the guide drops them in the morning and then picks them up at night. My only comment is that if the guide hunts with you and you see a deer that is what you want to shoot, shoot it. I saw a really nice 8pt and let him walk because I was waiting for the guide to say something and he was letting me make my own decision(later found he was wondering why I didn't want to shoot it). You'll have a great time especially in Nov during the rut. Any other questions?

Divers are in!!!!!!

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 13, 2001 at 17:03:28:

Found 2000-3000 bluebills yesterday. Let the fun begin!!!!!

B.

Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by Hunter on October 13, 2001 at 13:28:30:

In Reply to: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts? posted by I hate Skybusters on October 07, 2001 at 13:06:59:

Detroit river/western lake erie is holding good numbers of mallards/assorted puddlers, some bluebills. Thousands of geese, cant shoot them until the end of the month though! And then its 1 a day!!!

Re: geese Cleaning

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Posted by Andy on October 13, 2001 at 12:22:29:

In Reply to: geese posted by Brad on October 12, 2001 at 11:53:48:

I just pluck the breast feathers, skin the breast area and then cut out the breast meat. No fuss with skinning and gutting and you get 80% of the meat (and all the best meat).

gone moosen

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Posted by jason on October 13, 2001 at 07:49:52:

hope you guys that are going moose hunting this week make out all right they guys that stay home duck hunting i hope you see more ducks than i have in the last 6 days take care and play safe

Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by Ray on October 12, 2001 at 20:29:54:

In Reply to: Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season posted by Jude on October 12, 2001 at 13:25:10:

yes it's a 7600 have had it for 14 years this christmas and has killed as many deer.My dad bought it for me my first deer gun

Re: Has anyone been????

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Posted by artman on October 12, 2001 at 17:08:20:

In Reply to: Has anyone been???? posted by Brent on October 11, 2001 at 15:29:13:

Hey Brent, your layout boat might be fun at Hullett, and I have been told from a reliable source that the northerns are in out there. It is a bit of a drive for you but the marsh is excellent.

Good luck,

Re: geese

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Posted by sparky on October 12, 2001 at 16:24:21:

In Reply to: geese posted by Brad on October 12, 2001 at 11:53:48:

Stop by the USGS web site at: http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/

They have an area under How to report bird bands on line there.

Good going on the band !!!!

Sparky

Re: geese

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Posted by Kern on October 12, 2001 at 15:37:48:

In Reply to: geese posted by Brad on October 12, 2001 at 11:53:48:

The best way is to skin them and skinning is best done while the body is still a bit warm. Once skinned they are easily breasted and the the legs are also easy to get at too. There's not much else on there that you can eat. The wings are like sticks and all muscle.

Anticosti Island

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Posted by Nimrod on October 12, 2001 at 15:07:15:

It looks like I will be going deer hunting on Anticosti middle of November. Anyone been there? Hunting with SEPAQ. Info appreciated.

Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by Jude on October 12, 2001 at 13:25:10:

In Reply to: Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season posted by Ray on October 11, 2001 at 22:35:38:

Model 7600?

Re: Duck Blinds

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Posted by Daffy on October 12, 2001 at 13:11:19:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blinds posted by Braden on October 12, 2001 at 12:50:17:

Another resounding "no" for Darlington....thanks for the advice.

Re: Duck Blinds

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Posted by Braden on October 12, 2001 at 12:50:17:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blinds posted by Daffy on October 12, 2001 at 10:05:38:

Another big STAY AWAY for darlington. That place ain't worth the price you pay to hunt it, matter of fact, it would still be crappy even if free!

geese

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Posted by Brad on October 12, 2001 at 11:53:48:

Is there any easy way of cleaning geese? And I shot a banded goose the other night its got a states tag from maryland and a 1800 # but I can't get through is there any other way of calling it in. Ie internet or something? Did really good on sturgeon lake wednesday morning. There were probly around 200 ducks sitting in the rice when we were trying to get to the blind. Shooting was great! Thanks in advance Brad.

aerial photos?

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Posted by Hunter on October 12, 2001 at 10:46:37:

Anyone know where I can get aerial photos?

Re: Duck Blinds

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Posted by Daffy on October 12, 2001 at 10:05:38:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blinds posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 11, 2001 at 15:26:37:

Thanks for all your help!

Re: Has anyone been????

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Posted by Kern on October 11, 2001 at 22:58:03:

In Reply to: Has anyone been???? posted by Brent on October 11, 2001 at 15:29:13:

If it wasnt for my bag of duck deks in the garage, I wouldnt know what a duck looks like any more.... its been so long since Ive seen one. Geese are all over the place and I would gladly trade them all for ducks...

Kern

Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by Ray on October 11, 2001 at 22:35:38:

In Reply to: Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season posted by Mike on October 11, 2001 at 06:12:03:

i'm hunting in wmu 67 i use a 30/o6 pump with a peep sight

Bancroft Duck Report

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Posted by Taz on October 11, 2001 at 20:24:05:

Was up duck hunting in the Bancroft area last weekend. Everthing was perfect except one thing: it turns out some locals comandeered our duck blinds and blasted up the marsh for at least a week preceeding our arrival. Close to 200 spent shells and garbage were conveniently left in our three family blinds. At least some guys had a good hunt.

Had a decent hunt though. Somehow bagged 3 mallards, 1 black duck, 3 woodies and 4 ringneck. Thanksgiving dinner was great. The geese were also starting to fly south. Hoping to meet them in the Hamilton area.

Re: goose bands

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Posted by Taz on October 11, 2001 at 19:59:50:

In Reply to: goose bands posted by Brad on October 09, 2001 at 20:40:32:

We also got a goose with a (Delroy?) Maryland band about 2 weeks ago. Shot near Hamilton. We called the 1-800# and it turns out the goose was banded in Hull Quebec. Information is being sent to us on age, banding location, etc.

Re: Has anyone been????

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Posted by Jason on October 11, 2001 at 18:10:17:

In Reply to: Re: Has anyone been???? posted by jason on October 11, 2001 at 17:27:31:

Jason aka Chessie???

Keep an eye for them if you are up that way. Once they show up, I'll meet ya there with a layout boat!!!

Brent

Re: Has anyone been????

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Posted by jason on October 11, 2001 at 17:27:31:

In Reply to: Has anyone been???? posted by Brent on October 11, 2001 at 15:29:13:

i gave up on rice lake been skunked 4 times this year have hunted both north and south shors of rice have not seen any divers there exept lawn darts (mergansers)

Has anyone been????

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Posted by Brent on October 11, 2001 at 15:29:13:

hunting Rice Lake at all??? Just wondering if there are any bluebills in yet?? There are a few around Presquille, but not many. It won't be long now though.

I'm getting pretty anxious to get into a layout boat!!!

Brent

Re: Duck Blinds

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 11, 2001 at 15:26:37:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blinds posted by Daffy on October 11, 2001 at 13:52:36:

I have never hunted there. I believe it works on parking spots. You park in a numbered spot and that is the blind you take. I don't think there many blinds, 12 maybe??

I have heard that there is not much shooting there. It probably gets pounded the first couple of days with a bunch of people who think 100 yards is 30 yards.

Depending on where you are coming from, I would drive the extra hour and a bit and go to Presquile. Not that it is the greatest either, but there is usually some shooting to be had. Lots of blinds there as well. Marsh and lake. Need a canoe or small boat for the marsh. Can walk to a lot of the lake blinds.

Hope this helps, Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Duck Blinds

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Posted by Daffy on October 11, 2001 at 13:52:36:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Blinds posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 10, 2001 at 19:55:21:

Do you have any additional info about Darlington?

Re: Hullett Marsh

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Posted by dave on October 11, 2001 at 12:21:01:

In Reply to: Re: Hullett Marsh posted by blackwolf on October 10, 2001 at 19:25:16:

The web site for hullett is at www.hullettmarsh.org

Re: Wanted: Savage combination gun (.22/shotgun) & semi-auto .22

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Posted by GregM on October 11, 2001 at 12:18:09:

In Reply to: Wanted: Savage combination gun (.22/shotgun) & semi-auto .22 posted by GregM on October 02, 2001 at 12:06:07:

Got the 22, still lookin for a combination gun if anyone knows of one.

Thanks

Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by Mike on October 11, 2001 at 06:12:50:

In Reply to: 3 weeks till rilfe season posted by R struthers on October 10, 2001 at 20:59:49:

What WMU are you hunting??? Just curious as i'm going to be in 83A & 82B. What type of firearm do you use? As for myself, i'm an 870 pump man.....gotta love those 12 guages!!!!!!!!!!

Re: 3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by Mike on October 11, 2001 at 06:12:03:

In Reply to: 3 weeks till rilfe season posted by R struthers on October 10, 2001 at 20:59:49:

What WMU are you hunting??? Just curious as i'm going to be in 83A & 82B.

Re: whitworth rifles

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Posted by Britboy on October 10, 2001 at 22:56:21:

In Reply to: whitworth rifles posted by hutchman on October 10, 2001 at 11:35:53:

Hi ther whitworth is a tool company as my old man used to have some mad by them

3 weeks till rilfe season

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Posted by R struthers on October 10, 2001 at 20:59:49:

Well just thought i would drop a line while i still have some time be for of to the hunting camp.There is lots of deer in the woods scrapes all ready and the dogs are barking alot more in these cooler morning. All ways makes me wounder if they know whats ahead.The land scape as changed alot this year with being so dry will open up alot of new runway's for the deer.Been busy feeding apples and corn trying to help the deer out and the camp plus is a good reason to get in the woods.Well to all u guy's and girls that are going deer hunting the firts 2 weeks of november good luck and be safe . nothing like the deer camp is there

Re: Duck Blinds

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on October 10, 2001 at 19:55:21:

In Reply to: Duck Blinds posted by Daffy on October 10, 2001 at 14:45:30:

Depending on where you are there is Darlington, Long Point, Presquile.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Hullett Marsh

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Posted by blackwolf on October 10, 2001 at 19:25:16:

In Reply to: Re: Hullett Marsh posted by Ivan on October 10, 2001 at 13:12:19:

Canoes are advisable on all blinds there, as well as chest waders, and a good dog!!. After monday, I need a good dog!!! Its about 1 1/2 hrs from burlington. there are less crazies there now, since thanksgiving is over. e-mail me and I'll give you an idea what are the best blinds this year

Duck Blinds

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Posted by Daffy on October 10, 2001 at 14:45:30:

Anyone know where I can rent a duck blind on Saturday?

Re: Hullett Marsh

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Posted by Ivan on October 10, 2001 at 13:12:19:

In Reply to: Re: Hullett Marsh posted by blackwolf on October 10, 2001 at 12:55:30:

How far would you say it if from burlington, and do you need a canoe there.

Ivan.

Re: Hullett Marsh

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Posted by blackwolf on October 10, 2001 at 12:55:30:

In Reply to: Re: Hullett Marsh posted by Ivan on October 10, 2001 at 12:45:18:

Ivan, Take hiway #8 to seaforth, turn right at lights, go three concessions which is Sun something line, right after the curves, turn left. Third concession is Kinburn, keep going straight. The marsh is on your left. Look us up, we'll be hunting there Saturday as well. Look for a beat up old Ford pickup with some fat, old ugly guy with a young loadmouth. Probably hunt 15, or# 8. look to seeing you.

Re: Hullett Marsh

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Posted by Ivan on October 10, 2001 at 12:45:18:

In Reply to: Hullett Marsh posted by Fischer on October 09, 2001 at 08:59:35:

Hi, can you give me some direction on how to get to hullet marsh. I will be coming from burlington this weekend. I want to do some small game hunting or duck hunting. You said it is free to get in. Is that correct. Any paticular spot to go at the marsh.

Thanks Ivan.

whitworth rifles

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Posted by hutchman on October 10, 2001 at 11:35:53:

I recently aquired a 30-06 rifle from a friend and on the barrel "whitworth rifle company of Manchester England" is stamped. Has anyone heard of a whitworth rifle? If so please elaborate. Is there a whitworth web site? Thanks in advance.

Re: Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by P-Neck on October 10, 2001 at 10:55:36:

In Reply to: Re: Taking guns into the U.S. posted by Rick Teal on October 09, 2001 at 18:17:43:

Thanks Rick, You are right on the cards and there is no expiry date so I can use the one I have. In case anyone else is wondering, you can get the Y38 card at any customs office. The one in Fort Erie is now located at 60 Walnut Street, Ph # 905-994-6330. Unless things have changed on the US side, this is all you need.

Re: Hullett Marsh

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Posted by Big Bird on October 09, 2001 at 22:17:45:

In Reply to: Hullett Marsh posted by Fischer on October 09, 2001 at 08:59:35:

Contact Paula at Birddog@hurontel.ca she is very attive in the program and besides she is a NAVHDA member. wife of Jeff.

Too bad you have a Brittany LOL.

see you at the annual pheasnt hunt at Luther.

Jack

Re: goose bands

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Posted by Sparky on October 09, 2001 at 20:59:11:

In Reply to: goose bands posted by Brad on October 09, 2001 at 20:40:32:

Stop by the USGS web site at http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl/ They have an area under How to reoport bird bands. You can report it on line there.

Good going on the band !!!!

Sparky

goose bands

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Posted by Brad on October 09, 2001 at 20:40:32:

Got a goose on scugog tonight has a band from maryland and I can't seem to get through on the 1-800# Is there any internet site or place I can check it from. thanks in advance Brad

Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by blackwolf on October 09, 2001 at 19:18:55:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts? posted by Fischer on October 09, 2001 at 08:49:13:

We were at Hullett yesterday as well, saw lots of ducks, just none that would come within shooting range.

Bears

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Posted by Rob on October 09, 2001 at 19:06:23:

I'm going moose hunting next week but without an adult tag I would like to also hunt bear.

I know they're around the area - saw lots of scat last year during deer season.

The problem is I've looked for Black Bear hunting articles in the local magasine racks but come up empty handed.

Is still-hunting (walking) effective?

Is waiting on a watch more effective?

What are they doing this time of year in morning, evening or midday?

Can you call to them?

Is it reasonable to bait them the week I'm there (with what)?

Would bear hunting conflict with moose hunting or is there an overlap?

Any of your personal experiences / tips would be appreciated.

Re: Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by Rick Teal on October 09, 2001 at 18:17:43:

In Reply to: Re: Taking guns into the U.S. posted by P-Neck on October 09, 2001 at 09:24:35:

P-Neck:

I believe that the cards you received were Y-38's.

Unless the procedure has changed since I was involved, you can keep the cards and show them each time you return to Canada with that particular item. It's only necessary for you to have customs identify an article once.

Fort Erie is still our largest border crossing, so you should be able to get Y-38's issued there. It's probably just a matter of finding out where to go. Any inland customs office can do it as well, but you should probably make an appointment to take guns in.

Rick

Small Game

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Posted by Ivan on October 09, 2001 at 10:47:59:

Hi, I am looking for some places to hunt small game within 3 hours from burlington that's public land. I know about beverly swamp but are there any others.

Thanks Ivan.

Re: Luther Report

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Posted by BlueWing on October 09, 2001 at 10:42:04:

In Reply to: Luther Report posted by Goose Getter on October 09, 2001 at 09:34:57:

went to luther both saturday and monday three of us got 35 ducks..if you know what you are doing and stay away from the losers you will do ok, but the damn sky busters are testing my patience, yesterday we had a flock of 60 to 70 greenheads locked up until a punk shot at them while they were approahing our deeks, most ducks I had ever had locked up, best part though I got to bands this weekend... later and good luck BW

Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by dave on October 09, 2001 at 10:08:09:

In Reply to: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts? posted by I hate Skybusters on October 07, 2001 at 13:06:59:

we went to mitchells bay on friday,didn't get anything in the morning but I got 5 mallards and a bluewing on friday night.the divers aren't down yet.On monday morning a buddy and I went out and got 4 geese in Bruce county lots of them around we were in the wrong field.

Luther Report

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 09, 2001 at 09:34:57:

Went up to Luther yesterday. What a disaster. Way to many people. It was dangerous. Too many hunters in a small area. I thought I was the only one left not moose hunting. I guess thats what I get for going on a holiday. No pheasants. I only saw one. The dog held a great point on both a woodcock and a grouse. That was nice to see. At least I got some meat for the table. Did anyone else get out?

Re: Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by P-Neck on October 09, 2001 at 09:24:35:

In Reply to: Taking guns into the U.S. posted by Topp on October 06, 2001 at 09:52:04:

Unless things have changed, taking the guns(non-restricted) into the U.S. is not an issue. Getting them back is the issue. Until last year, we had checked them in at a gov't office on our side in Fort Erie. Unfortunately, the building is not there anymore. We have been going to Penn. deer hunting like this for the past ten years. The form you fill out gets you a Identification of Articles for Temporary Exportation Card. It is a Federal Document that ID's your gun by type, Make and Seriel number. You also need to ID your scope if you have one.It is signed and stamped by a Canadian Customs officer. I am in the process of finding another customs office to do this in and I will let you know if I find out anything.

Re: Manitoulin?

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Posted by Fischer on October 09, 2001 at 09:14:06:

In Reply to: Manitoulin? posted by Hunter on October 05, 2001 at 23:05:34:

Hunted there the last two years. First year, no snow, nice weather, around 0 deg.

Last year, a foot of snow, and colder than a B! -15 with a 50-60 kph wind on top of it.

Didn't hurt, though, I got a 10 pt buck! Rest of the week, they stuck to the thick stuff, though.

Definitely worth drive. My son saw 40 deer, two years ago. Like I said, last year was tougher, but I still saw 9 deer the first two days, before it shut down.

Hullett Marsh

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Posted by Fischer on October 09, 2001 at 08:59:35:

Lately I've had a real burr in my saddle about the closure of agreement forests to hunting by the GRCA. As it stands now, the only public lands within an hour of my place that I can hunt are the ones where you have to pay - if you can get in (Conestoga Lake, Luther Marsh, Byrd Island)

Hullett Marsh, north of Clinton, is free - for now. In the last couple of years, I've been there a half dozen times for rabbits and a couple times for ducks. It's a real jewel.

However, the last few years there has been real pressure on the pheasant program there, due to lack of funds. A lot of people go there and hunt but never give anything back. There is also a lot of maintenance and upkeep to the area so funds are sorely needed.

This year they've started the Hullett Challenge. A lottery where you buy a $10 ticket with a chance for a prize if you get a banded pheasant. End of the year, any unclaimed prizes will go into a draw.

I have a tough time paying to exercize a RIGHT, but I don't have a problem contributing to a good cause. I'm also going to join the Friends of Hullett.

They do have a website, but I couldn't find it on a search.

Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by Fischer on October 09, 2001 at 08:49:13:

In Reply to: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts? posted by I hate Skybusters on October 07, 2001 at 13:06:59:

Have been doing a lot of field hunting in Puslinch Twp, near Mountsberg CA. See a LOT of ducks, but unfortunately, they're on a wire to a field behind us where we don't have permission. Have managed to swing a few, but our best day was 10 ducks for 3 guys. Picking up the odd goose, as well.

I was out Saturday and we dumped 2 ducks, and I got two geese.

One thing we've noticed is that there are a lot of mallards. About half the ducks we've got have been mallards, the rest, woodies.

Was at Hullett for pheasant hunting yesterday - no luck :(. Didn't see a heckuva lot of ducks flying around. Only about 8 vehicles in the parking lot.

Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by Bow Nut on October 09, 2001 at 05:58:34:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts? posted by Braden on October 08, 2001 at 13:43:14:

I am now checking the internet while I wait for my brother in law to go duck hunting. He was supposed to be here at 5:15, but is now 45 min. late. I don't think it will be a banner day. Good Hunting.

Re: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by Braden on October 08, 2001 at 13:43:14:

In Reply to: Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts? posted by I hate Skybusters on October 07, 2001 at 13:06:59:

Hunted Rondeau Saturday morning, adequate shooting, but nothing stellar. Did bag a brace of widgeon though, and a guy got a Redhead the day before. We saw some bluebill but mostly Mallard, with a few greenwings interspersed. Had about a dozen greenwings dump in the blocks 10 minutes before legal. Too bad!! Hunted lake Ont. Today, big fat zero!!! Few mallards around, a few fall birds, but no heavy numbers whatsoever!

Duck Goose Reports/Body Counts?

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Posted by I hate Skybusters on October 07, 2001 at 13:06:59:

Anybody have any good duck/goose reports? Are there any numbers of birds staging in any of the public marshes yet? I saw 2 nice groups of bluebill out on Erie today, and quite a few lesser Canadas as well - there has got to be some migrators showing up in S. Ontario right about now.

Re: Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by Herb on October 06, 2001 at 13:01:39:

In Reply to: Taking guns into the U.S. posted by Topp on October 06, 2001 at 09:52:04:

I don't know what type of guns you are talking about but we took our rifles through MI, WI and MN to go deer hunting to NW Ontario. No problem. You have to let the US customs officer know that you have a firearm with you. Herb.

Re: Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by Topp on October 06, 2001 at 11:04:54:

In Reply to: Re: Taking guns into the U.S. posted by Tackleberry on October 06, 2001 at 10:17:49:

Thanks for the help. Looks like I better get started on this asap!

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Posted by Tackleberry on October 06, 2001 at 10:17:49:

In Reply to: Taking guns into the U.S. posted by Topp on October 06, 2001 at 09:52:04:

Hi Topp,

Did it back in March for an Instructor's course, I rode the pinball machine to get the answer, bouncing from one contact to the other starting locally and finished internationally.

Contact the "Department of the Treseaury Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms Regulatory Enforcement" ( The BATF) Buffalo Office (716) 551-4048

Warning, ..... the process for a civilian can be time consuming, ...... the forms are processed in a central location and can take up to 4-6 months to process.

Good Luck, I hope this helps.

Tack

Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by Topp on October 06, 2001 at 09:52:04:

Does anyone know the regulations for transporting a gun into the U.S. There's all kinds of info for bringing them into Canada but I can't find anything for taking them into the States. Any help would be appreciated.

Taking guns into the U.S.

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Posted by Topp on October 06, 2001 at 09:50:25:

Does anyone know the regulations for transporting a gun into the U.S. There's all kinds of info for bringing them into Canada but I can't find anything for taking them into the States. Any help would be appreciated.

Manitoulin?

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Posted by Hunter on October 05, 2001 at 23:05:34:

Anyone ever hunt toulin? I just recieved permission for a large tract of land. how much snow is usually on the ground for the gun hunt? Is it worth the drive(10 hours)?

Any good places to hunt deer in Thunder bay?

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Posted by The axe on October 05, 2001 at 22:21:23:

Just moved to Thunder bay and I`m wondering if there are any good places near the city to hunt deer.

First Time Hunter Looking for Advice

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Posted by Clifford on October 05, 2001 at 16:48:12:

Hi,

I just completed the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (and the Restricted Firearms Course just because I was there anyway), and successfully passed the Hunter Ed course. I do not own firearms of any sort. I have never hunted before. I know it will take a while to get my PAL for me to acquire a shotgun and ammo.

I would rather not repeat my experience with fishing where it took me 15 years(!) to catch my first fish simply because I was so completely clueless about fishing and never had the privilege of fishing with anyone who knew what they were doing so I am looking for some kind soul or souls to hunt with. I am interested in hunting all types of game and fowl. I am physically fit so I do not mind long hikes and grunt work in helping haul big game out of the bush or helping with field dressing game and fowl. I live in Toronto and am flexible about hunting dates and travelling. Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards,

Clifford

cilkay@nospam.visto.com (remove the nospam from the e-mail address to contact me)

Re: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting?

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Posted by Kemo on October 05, 2001 at 15:44:15:

In Reply to: Re: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting? posted by goose getter on September 25, 2001 at 14:05:14:

I found that 2 3/4" #6 Imperial steel (available at Canadian Tire) is excellant when pond hunting and 3" #3 when hunting lakeducks. I've had no problems with Federal, Challenger and Drylok steel.

training flushers?

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Posted by Skyman on October 05, 2001 at 14:46:20:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by RRC on October 02, 2001 at 08:26:51:

I've got a lab cross that just loves flushing grouse. You can always tell when there's a grouse nearby because she starts doing her happy dance. She works out too far most of the time though. When I call her in then she just wants to stay at my feet. Any suggestions? Right now she's only any good once the leaves are down.

Pheasants

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 05, 2001 at 14:39:46:

Has anyone been up to luther lately for the pheasants. How did you make out. Was there many people.

Has anyone been anywhere else. Were you successful. Whereabouts.

Thanks

Moose & Deer tags available!

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Posted by Greg McLeod on October 05, 2001 at 13:57:37:

Due to the events of September 11th, there have been an unprecedented number of hunting trip cancellations by Ontario's U.S. visitors. As such, there are numerous opportunities for Ontario big-game hunting this season. Anyone interested in booking a moose or deer hunt in Ontario THIS SEASON, should check out www.huntontario.com for a growing list of operators with tags available.

Any operators with open bookings for moose or deer hunting may email me for a free listing.

Thanks, Greg McLeod gmcleod@rmpublishing.com

Re: Which Waders?

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Posted by OnnO on October 05, 2001 at 13:33:50:

In Reply to: Re: Which Waders? posted by Braden on October 05, 2001 at 02:18:27:

Yeah, I like those cordura, breathable waders with full camo. But it seems that those stuff only available in the States by mail order. I checked 4 CanTires and 2 Walmarts and they only carry low end stuffs. LeBaron have 5 on their catalogue but all low-ends. I wonder why local dealers only carry green and brown waders but no full camos? Or you guys has any idea where I can buy a good waders for HUNTING! I used to shop online even my firearms and ammo, but clothing is the last thing I would go for mail orders or online shop.

Re: Gore-tex

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Posted by Kerry Knudsen on October 05, 2001 at 09:24:07:

In Reply to: Gore-tex posted by Rob on October 04, 2001 at 17:03:23:

Gore-Tex is great for what it is: a waterproof barrier. It does not, however, allow any significant amount of water vapour to transpire through the fabric. This is clear if you look at somebody wearing Gore-Tex in the cold. If water vapour were actually transpiring through the fabric, then it would condense on the *outside* of the garment when the temperarature hit the dew point and it would freeze, making the wearer look like Frostie the Snowman.

Further, if Gore-Tex breathes, then there's no need to put pit zips and crotch zips in the garment, yet the high-end products have them.

In fact, Gore-Tex forces water to condense on the *inside* of the garment when the fabric temperature hits the dew point (which gets higher as the humidity inside the garment increases).

That said, I bought a new Marmot rain suit last year and could not be more happy with it. It is tailored like a dream, allowing a full range of movement, is relatively soft for relatively quiet movement (you can't have it all), and it's nearly tear-proof and it's washable.

It has pit and leg zips, so I can ventilate, and it stuffs into its own pocket, making it really convenient to carry on the most-of-the-days I never need it.

I love Gore-Tex, but I think their marketing program is dishonest.

kk

Re: Gore-tex

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Posted by Leon on October 05, 2001 at 09:04:52:

In Reply to: Gore-tex posted by Rob on October 04, 2001 at 17:03:23:

Rob,

I dont' know what's mad dog jacket is, but I'll tell you about Gore-tex. It's breathable, all right, but it's waterprof, so it's somewhat breathable. If you can do w/o wp - don't use gore-tex. Using layering with wicking underwear and fleece helps a lot, but you'll get condensation on the inside of the garment and in freezing conditions it'll freeze, creating stiff unbreathable shell. I am talking about extremes here. If you work 100 yards from a truck and back - it won't happen.

BTW, there's new gore-tex XR - extended range of comfort, they claim 40% more breathability, than the old one. Makes you wonder about breathability.

You can try talking to backpackers and that kind of folks. They use hi-tec gear a lot.

Leon

Re: Which Waders?

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Posted by Braden on October 05, 2001 at 02:18:27:

In Reply to: Which Waders? posted by OnnO on October 03, 2001 at 19:33:38:

Having hunted for ducks almost exclusivly for the last few years, I will have to respectfully disagree with the other sugestions. Personally I find that stocking foot neoprene wader suck for duck hunting in cold weather. I much prefer a pair of heavy canvas/cordura boot foot waders. Reasons are simple. I find them easier and quicker to get into at 4am, If you hunt 2 days in a row, and find your waders frozen in the back of the truck, you can still put them on without leaving them to defrost on the truck heater for 30 minutes, I also find heavy cordura to hold up better over time. You get what you pay for, you buy cheap neoprene (and believe me I have) you replace it every year if you hunt/fish hard. BTW if you go with neoprene, there is no faster way to destroy it than by using cheap runners with no gravel guards. Purchase decent wading boots, and always put the gravel guards on. I also find that the cordure boot foots are plenty warm, you just have to dress appropriatly underneath, and use a wading belt. Also make sure to get the insulated foot model. Good luck!

Re: JJ Hack

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Posted by Braden on October 05, 2001 at 02:07:36:

In Reply to: Re: JJ Hack posted by OnnO on October 04, 2001 at 20:39:31:

Yep, good story, he walks the walk. Very good source of info!

Re: Which Waders?

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Posted by Blackwolf on October 04, 2001 at 21:41:27:

In Reply to: Which Waders? posted by OnnO on October 03, 2001 at 19:33:38:

Neopreme, neopreme, neopreme. Don't buy the ones with boots, they have a tendency to leak, and they are a pain to fix. Plus they cost more.Buy the cheap neopreme with just the socks, then go to the salvation army and buy the cheapest pair of runners, two sizes bigger than you normally take. Cheap waders are $109.00 shoes, $5.

Re: JJ Hack

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Posted by OnnO on October 04, 2001 at 20:39:31:

In Reply to: Repeated tests, and varying incidents..... posted by Braden on October 03, 2001 at 12:49:31:

Hi Braden,

Nice to hear someone in Ontario talking about JJ. I followed his posts in alloutdoor.com then huntamerica, hunttalk, 24hrcampfire...for more than a year, and hope one day will follow him to Africa. He changed my choice of hunting rifle, and his hunting story make me a better hunter too. Did you read his latest story about hunting a mountain lion which stole his goat from his backyard? Such a good story!

OnnO...

Re: Gore-tex

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Posted by Don on October 04, 2001 at 20:38:50:

In Reply to: Gore-tex posted by Rob on October 04, 2001 at 17:03:23:

I purchased a Browning Bighorn coat last year.I rarely wear the liner but the Gore-Tex outer shell is great.I bought blaze hopefully doing away with vests and staying legal for moose and deer.If staying dry when walking is a problem try some of the poly-pro underwear it transfers moisture away from your skin, it works very well.I even wear poly-pro sock liners.Don

Gore-tex

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Posted by Rob on October 04, 2001 at 17:03:23:

I'm thinking about buying a good hunting jacket / outer layer.

I walk quite a bit and usually work up quite a sweat.

A Mad Dog jacket I bought last year didn't breathe very well. I was soaked from the inside - pretty lathered.

Anyhow...to my question - does Gore tex have better breatheability? I'm looking at a nice Browning jacket for 250.00 but don't want to waste the cash if its no better.

Gore-tex

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Posted by Rob on October 04, 2001 at 16:56:33:

Re: Holland Marsh Ducks

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 04, 2001 at 16:50:43:

In Reply to: Re: Holland Marsh Ducks posted by P Neck on October 04, 2001 at 16:08:54:

Thanks allot!! I'm going to try that.

Re: Holland Marsh Ducks

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Posted by P Neck on October 04, 2001 at 16:08:54:

In Reply to: Re: Holland Marsh Ducks posted by Sure Shot on October 04, 2001 at 11:43:41:

You can hunt the public land on the north side of the river. With waders you can actually walk towards Cook's Bay along the river edge and tuck into the bullrushes. If you don't have a dog, stay in the canal part of the public lands. I believe it is the third road north of Bradford on the right hand side going north on #11. The road goes all the way to the river.

stores

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Posted by Leon on October 04, 2001 at 15:32:57:

In Reply to: Re: Nonquon posted by Frank on October 03, 2001 at 17:04:19:

There's a store in Port Perry - William's Arms (?) Which is probably closest to the Nonquon. I don't think LeBaron will be much help ;-(

Leon

Re: Which Waders?

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Posted by OnnO on October 04, 2001 at 12:07:48:

In Reply to: Re: Which Waders? posted by Goose Getter on October 04, 2001 at 08:54:13:

Neoprene is fine to me, how about with or without boots?

Re: Which Waders?

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Posted by Whack a quack on October 04, 2001 at 12:04:30:

In Reply to: Re: Which Waders? posted by Goose Getter on October 04, 2001 at 08:54:13:

I have 3 words for you. Neoprene, neoprene, neoprene If punctures are a concern then get an "armoured" wader and if hunting in cold weather then boot foot versions are advisable

Cheers

Re: Holland Marsh Ducks

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 04, 2001 at 11:43:41:

In Reply to: Holland Marsh Ducks posted by P Neck on October 03, 2001 at 17:11:51:

Sorry I don't have any input for you. But, did you use a boat to get out there. I would like to go there but only have waders, any suggestions on location.

Re: Deer Rut?

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Posted by Matt Ende on October 04, 2001 at 09:45:22:

In Reply to: Deer Rut? posted by Jason Lam on October 03, 2001 at 00:25:13:

Tell me exactly where you are hunting - I have hunted in that area for years: 82B and 83A

You should start seing some rutting activity - bucks coming into fields and harrassing does in the evening, alot of tree rubs, etc. in the next few weeks.

The best place to bowhunt is this - find a trail coming out into a field, and then follow the trail a ways into the bush, and set up a stand there.

By the end of October, anywhere there are does you will find bucks with a serious case of buck-rut. Hunt along trails with hot scrapes in the last half of October. The gun season starts first week of November, and after that you will have to hunt in thick cover that the seer seek refuge in.

In the last week of October, if you can, hunt all day long.

Re: Which Waders?

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 04, 2001 at 08:54:13:

In Reply to: Which Waders? posted by OnnO on October 03, 2001 at 19:33:38:

Doesn't really matter. Make sure they are thick and insulated. Neopreme is warm and light.

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by OnnO on October 03, 2001 at 20:04:32:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by Dave on October 02, 2001 at 21:30:41:

Yeah, blackwolf is truely nice,

See his coat though my crosshair... Nice! ;-)

Anyway, people think fly-fishermen are sportsmen and even gentlemen. I wonder what make hunters a bad name from others.

Hi, Jason

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Posted by OnnO on October 03, 2001 at 19:45:44:

In Reply to: Deer Rut? posted by Jason Lam on October 03, 2001 at 00:25:13:

Hi, Jason,

My name is Onno Yeung. A rookie from Markham. Nice to meet you.

Never shoot a compound bow until last week. Completely changed my point of view about bow hunting. The first 3 practice shoots touching each other from 10 yards and then I hit the 12pt zone (big as a dollar) of a pronhorn 20 yards away with another 3 shots. Gee! I may try bow hunting much sooner than I expected.

Which Waders?

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Posted by OnnO on October 03, 2001 at 19:33:38:

Going to buy a chest waders for ducks, any suggestion?

Any input are welcome.

OnnO...

Holland Marsh Ducks

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Posted by P Neck on October 03, 2001 at 17:11:51:

Anybody been getting any duck's in the marsh lately. We were out on the opener and got mostly woodies. Any blacks or mallards taken?

Re: Nonquon

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Posted by Frank on October 03, 2001 at 17:04:19:

In Reply to: Nonquon posted by Jay on October 01, 2001 at 12:20:11:

Since there doesn't appear to be a regular poster on this board that has had experience with this tract, I suggest that you try calling a sporting goods store in the east end, since they usually have someone who knows these things. I've heard people discuss Nonquon at Al Flaherty's once, and presume that someone at Gagnon's or LeBaron's in Markham might be able to fill you in.

Good luck!

Frank

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by Bow Nut on October 03, 2001 at 15:38:08:

In Reply to: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by bowhunter on October 02, 2001 at 10:34:08:

I was afraid of this. I hate hearing about other harvesting a deer before the season opens in my area. Congrats and I wish it were me.

Re: Either will work fine

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Posted by Kirk on October 03, 2001 at 14:07:43:

In Reply to: slug vs sabot posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

I shot a bear at 20 yards with a run-of-the-mill slug (cannot even remember - probably Winchester) and that bear dropped like a sack of potatoes. The slug opened a hole (entering) that was big enough to put my fist into.

Also, I don't agree that a Sabot will do more tissue damage than a slug. A slug has a full ounce of soft lead that literally explodes into pieces upon contact with the animal. There was more tissue damage to this bear than to any animal I've ever taken - SSG, 30-06, 30/30 etc.

Place your shot well and that bear is dead.

The bear were a real nuisance at my camp this year too. Our on our lawn every night around 5:00 to 6:00 pm. Couldn't let the kids play outside in the evenings.

Hope you solve your "problem".

Bring back the Spring Bear Hunt!!!!

Kirk

Repeated tests, and varying incidents.....

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Posted by Braden on October 03, 2001 at 12:49:31:

In Reply to: slug vs sabot posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

of bear attacks, cabin depredation etc. have shown that the least reliable/effective method of killing a nuisance bear or attacking bear is a shotgun at close range. Mind you this is contrary to popular opinion over the years. Go to www.huntamerica.com and go to the big game forum, then pose this question. You'll get lots of info. Or hit www.24hourcampfire.com in the big game forum and look for a fellow by the handle of JJHack. He is a renowned bear guide, and more recently African PH, also a contributing editor of bear hunting magazine and has guided for bruins in Alaska and continental USA for the last 20 years. He will give you excellent advice if asked directly. My go, for local Ontario(generally sub 300 pounders) black bears at close range, a lever action 30-30 loaded with 170 grain partitions. Very fast handling, quick pointing and light, your not taking a deliberate shot at this point. Generally will hold as many as 6 rounds total. IMHO, this will better serve than any shotgun. Either that or a Rem 7600 with the carbine barrel in 30-06.

Check out those sites, and try to chat with JJ, he's usually happy to oblige!

Re: slug vs sabot

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Posted by Kerry Knudsen on October 03, 2001 at 11:15:57:

In Reply to: slug vs sabot posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

This doesn't answer your question, but I don't think I'd bother with the single projectile. The first shot with 00 Buck should take care of your problem. Period. If it doesn't, and you're shooting at a running bear with the second shot, 00 Buck is still likely to be the better choice, providing a better chance at an incapacitating injury. If so, you need to follow this up very quickly with a third load of 00 Buck.

What you are talking about is extermination, not sportsmanship, but you should be sure to finish the job as fast as possible. It's the right thing to do.

A nice option, and one I assume you have attempted, is to find somebody willing to take the bear out for you.

Re: slug vs sabot

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Posted by Kern on October 03, 2001 at 10:41:34:

In Reply to: slug vs sabot posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

Your knock dow energy or KE is mV^2/450240 the winchester gold @ 1900 fps will have 3087 ft/lbs at the muzzel. The hollow point @ 1450 will only have 2043 ft/lbs. at the muzzel. These values drop as the range increases due to loss of velocity.

The other part of the equation you must consider is how well the load delivers this energy to the bear. Typically you want good expansion so that the body of the animal takes the full punch....if the slug just blows through the critter the energy felt will be much less. At 20 yrds Im not sure it will make much difference, both loads should be deadly as long as placement is good.

Kern

Re: Help Need a new gun...

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Posted by dave on October 03, 2001 at 10:30:20:

In Reply to: Help Need a new gun... posted by Blue on September 28, 2001 at 23:04:05:

While you're looking at the 391 check out the Beretta ES100, it is a recoil operated action,essentialy the same action as the bennelli.I have one and it works great without any worries of gas ports fouling.It is also lighter and approx.$150 less.you don't get a case or 5 choke tubes,only 3 good luck

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by bowhunter on October 03, 2001 at 10:01:42:

In Reply to: Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by Goose Getter on October 02, 2001 at 15:42:06:

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Re: why would you take a doe that you expected to have a fawn ??

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Posted by bowhunter on October 03, 2001 at 10:00:49:

In Reply to: why would you take a doe that you expected to have a fawn ?? posted by jason on October 02, 2001 at 15:55:07:

In this case I didn't see any fawn. But anytime you shoot a doe, there is the possibilty of orphaning a fawn, weather, you see one around or not. The bottom line is, anybody that applies for an anterless tag, is at least considering shooting a doe and may in fact orphan a fawn. By this time of year the fawn's are usually completely weaned and capable of surviving on there own. In my location the deer heard is considerably high and they are causing considerable crop damage. The only hunting allowed is archery. The farmer who own's the property wants to see the heard thinned somewhat, and probably wouldn't be to happy if I told him I was taking bucks only. There are two of us hunting the property, with 2 tags each. I would like to take at least 2 does. I would prefer that we didn't orphan fawn's, but I won't lose a lot of sleep over it if I do.

JON BOAT wanted

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Posted by Skyscraper on October 03, 2001 at 09:58:43:

looking for used Jon Boat for Duck hunting.

Re: slug vs sabot

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Posted by cleo on October 03, 2001 at 09:47:33:

In Reply to: slug vs sabot posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

I think that the Partition gold is the way to go, more energy and more importantly, more accuracy. At 'cabin defense' range (less than 20 yards I'm guessing) it probably wouldn't make a lick of difference. It also depends on what type of barrel you have though. Is the hollowpoint slug a rifled slug? If it is, you may get better accuracy out of a smooth barrel, if it's rifled or has a rifled choke tube, a sabot slug is definitely the way to go. It may be worth it to buy a box of each to test fire and see which kind gives you best accuracy through your gun.

Re: slug vs sabot

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Posted by Leon on October 03, 2001 at 09:45:06:

In Reply to: slug vs sabot posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

It's a tough question.

Simlpy comparing energy of the two projectiles isn't enough, you have to consider possible shooting scenarios. Which will determine how much of that energy (read damage) will be transferred to the bear you're shooting.

Let's say you shoot small caliber super high speed bullet and hit bear in soft tissues. Bullet will pass through w/o making much damage. If you hit the same spot with 12 gauge slug - result may be totally different. Because the cross-section is greater on 12 g, even though the speed and overall energy might be less.

There so many variables in the situation, there's no scientific way to solve your problem.

Just a story for you, though (I know lots of them ;-) I heard about couple of guys who went for a small brown bear - one with AK-74 (5.45 mm, was it 223 cal?) and another one with 12 gauge. They wounded the bear and when searching for it - the one with AK was mauled by the bear, even though he discharged most of AK's 30 round magazin into it. If the second guy with a 12 g wasn't there, the bear probably would kill him.

I heard it's very difficult to kill charging bear. Killing zone is small and they move VERY fast - 50 mph, which is more than 20 m/sec. These suckers are very strong.

So if I were you - I wouldn't worry to much about the ammo - doesn't matter much ;-(

Cheers, Leon

slug vs sabot

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Posted by DonG on October 03, 2001 at 09:13:08:

Maybe some one here can shed some light on how to determine which ammunition would deliver the most punch. First, as a bit of background I've had a bear problem at my cabin and it is now necessary to have some camp defense in place. I've decided to go with a couple of rounds of12 ga. magnum 00 buckshot followed up by either slugs or a sabots. The particular sabot I would use is the Winchester Gold X partition which travels at 1900 feet per second and weighs 385 grains. The slug I am looking at is a Winchester hollow point slug that travels at 1450 feet per second and weighs 1oz (437.5 grains). I get varying advice on whether the sabot or the slug would have greater killing capability. Most say the slug because of the weight. However, it seems to me that because of the greater speed, the sabot would deliver more energy. This is without taking into account that the sabot would cause more tissue damage due to its configuration.

I seem to have forgotten what little physics I knew but if I do some calculations assuming that (force = mass x speed) then the sabot delivers 1.15 times the force of the slug. If I make a leap and assume that these slugs act like light (energy = mass x speed(sq) then the sabot delivers about 1.5 times the energy. I think that the last attempt is probably not the right way to make this determination, but here's my question what is the right way to make a scientific comparison between these two ammunitions and take it out of the realm of opinion and guess work?

Thanks in advance Don

Re: Hows Luther????

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 03, 2001 at 08:52:06:

In Reply to: Re: Hows Luther???? posted by Fischer on October 03, 2001 at 08:08:14:

As you can see I didn't make it up. Like you said it may be a little too warm to be running the pooches today. They just don't know how to slow down. Maybe Friday!

Re: Hows Luther????

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Posted by Fischer on October 03, 2001 at 08:08:14:

In Reply to: Re: Hows Luther???? posted by Goose Getter on October 02, 2001 at 09:01:33:

Looks like this post is too late for you, but...

We saw about a dozen cars. We ran into a few people along the way, but pretty much stuck to the fringe areas in pheasant area 3.

We saw about a dozen birds altogether. Was pretty good hunting, though hot. You're probably getting toasted today. Hope you water the dogs often.

Deer Rut?

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Posted by Jason Lam on October 03, 2001 at 00:25:13:

I will be bow hunting Owen Sound area. Just wondering when will the rut start. I have been hearing around late October (after the first frost) but then those rules applies more to the Southern climate, does anyone have anything to say about the time of the rut?

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by Dave on October 02, 2001 at 21:30:41:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by Blackwolf on September 30, 2001 at 13:37:31:

Very nice offer Blackwolf. We should all be so nice.

Re: Skybusters

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Posted by Dave on October 02, 2001 at 21:15:05:

In Reply to: Skybusters posted by Matt Ende on September 25, 2001 at 16:44:30:

I can relate to this. I was hunting on Mud lake by Cobden, Ontario and had about 35 Canada's with their wings set for my decoys. Well, to make a long story short, the guys next to me figured they could drop a few at about 200yds. Needless to say, we all went home empty handed.

Re: Scouting moose.

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Posted by Nimrod on October 02, 2001 at 17:06:13:

In Reply to: Scouting moose. posted by Skyman on September 22, 2001 at 10:27:12:

It is not uncommon at all to have few deer where you see moose, and vice versa. A perfect example is Algonquin Park, which has lots of moose, but I have never seen a deer there. The most likely reason is that deer carry a brain parasite that is harmless to them but can be fatal to moose. As such, the two don't co-exist in mutual abundance.

Re: FIRST AID

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Posted by Nimrod on October 02, 2001 at 16:27:28:

In Reply to: FIRST AID posted by Sparky on September 27, 2001 at 16:57:38:

That's pretty scary. I'm glad to hear that he's doing well. Just out of curiousity, what kind of first aid did you render to him?

why would you take a doe that you expected to have a fawn ??

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Posted by jason on October 02, 2001 at 15:55:07:

In Reply to: Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by bowhunter on October 02, 2001 at 15:16:53:

on the first day of hunting you take a doe that you think should have a fawn ??? i have passed up deer that i have thought to have a fawn or see a fawn with its mother . i would like to know your reasoning behind it i am no trophy hunter

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 02, 2001 at 15:42:06:

In Reply to: Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by bowhunter on October 02, 2001 at 15:16:53:

What area were you hunting?

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 02, 2001 at 15:17:13:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by ajb on October 02, 2001 at 14:18:31:

It's unfortunate we have to worry about these type of hunters. It gives a bad name to all us safe hunters.

Let's enjoy a safe season everyone.

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by bowhunter on October 02, 2001 at 15:16:53:

In Reply to: Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by Kern on October 02, 2001 at 11:16:29:

She was by herself (no fawn). The shot was wide open broadside at 20 yds. She ran about 100 yds and walked about another 50. She disappeared into the bush over a small hill. I waited 1 hour before going after her. Found her about 20 yds from where I last saw her. She was dry, which surprised me somewhat, because she was a good sized doe (not a yearling). I would have expected her to have a fawn. I also spent part of the morning watching 7 nice gobblers eat apples about 25 yds from my stand.

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by ajb on October 02, 2001 at 14:19:12:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by Sure shot on October 02, 2001 at 11:11:18:

Thanks for elaborating Sureshot. I know there are ways to do what you are suggesting safely, but I just wanted things clarified for people who are reading this stuff, and who may be inexperienced or just plain not thinking. Didn't mean anything personal by it. I have been told stories from friends who have been hiking trails through dense brush, and come out into the open to find that they were staring down a rifle barrel. "Thought you were a bear", is what the guy said. Anyway these people are out there, I didn't mean to suggest that you were one of them. I just wanted to tack on a little "qualifier" to what you had said.

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by ajb on October 02, 2001 at 14:18:31:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by Sure shot on October 02, 2001 at 11:11:18:

Thanks for elaborating Sureshot. I know there are ways to do what you are suggesting safely, but I just wanted things clarified for people who are reading this stuff, and who may be inexperienced or just plain not thinking. Didn't mean anything personal by it. I have been told stories from friends who have been hiking trails through dense brush, and come out into the open to find that they were staring down a rifle barrel. "Thought you were a bear", is what the guy said. Anyway these people are out there, I didn't mean to suggest that you were one of them. I just wanted to tack on a little "qualifier" to what you had said.

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by grat on October 02, 2001 at 12:36:03:

In Reply to: Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by Goose Getter on October 02, 2001 at 11:51:58:

I positively refuse to go bowhunting before the rifle season.With 'my' luck I would probably fill my tag and then have to work during the first week of Nov.---my buddies need me at the hunting camp!! There is always much better bow hunting between Nov.15 and Dec.31. To each his own--have a good hunt!

Wanted: Savage combination gun (.22/shotgun) & semi-auto .22

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Posted by GregM on October 02, 2001 at 12:06:07:

I am looking to buy a used Savage combination gun. It would be an over-under with a .22 rifle barrel and .410 or 20 gauge shotgun. Please email me if you've got one or know of one available. (prefer GTA or along Hwy 11 North to North Bay). Also looking for .22 autoloader in the $100-150 range, will pay extra for scope. Thanks

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 02, 2001 at 11:51:58:

In Reply to: Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by Kern on October 02, 2001 at 11:16:29:

I wish I could have gotten out. All my spots are in 79. That doesn't open until the 15th. Congrats on the doe.

Re: Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by Kern on October 02, 2001 at 11:16:29:

In Reply to: Whitetail Bow Season Opener posted by bowhunter on October 02, 2001 at 10:34:08:

Nice going Bowhunter...how close was the shot?? How far did you have to track.

I couldnt make it out for the opener but plan to get out this afternoon.

Kern

Re: Hows Luther????

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Posted by Frank on October 02, 2001 at 11:12:09:

In Reply to: Hows Luther???? posted by BlueWing on October 01, 2001 at 14:13:44:

Try calling Luther Marsh Wildlife Management Area at (519)928-2832 to see what they have to say. With all due respect to the other posts, I have never seen any ducks in the ponds within the pheasant hunting area (I suppose they just leave them after the opener) and can vouch for the fact that conditions on the lake can be quite different, especially in the mornings and evenings. I haven't been out there yet this season, but do know of people that have been seeing decent numbers of birds.

Regards,

Frank

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by Sure shot on October 02, 2001 at 11:11:18:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by ajb on October 01, 2001 at 16:24:44:

Thanks for your concern ajb, but I have been hunting upland game for 13 years and I have never comprimised safety in the field for the sake of harvesting any animal. I don't know if you research hunting much but that tip was taken directly from a back issue of the 'Ontario Out of Doors' on increasing your chances at taking grouse.

And with regards to knowing ones surroundings, it actually scares me to think that some people have to think about this, it should be second nature to every hunter. If you do not know what and who is around you, please leave your gun at home and grab the binoculars to go for a walk through the bush.

My tip was meant to help Leon hit more grouse, if you choose not to use my tip that's fine but please do insinuate my information is compromising hunter safety.

Good Luck Leon, Sure Shot.

MNR Officers

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Posted by Landing Redneck on October 02, 2001 at 10:38:08:

Has anybody out there been checked by the ministry so far this year. I called their office to inquire about FAC's that have expired and they said that the CO's will not be looking for Federal documents. I have sent everything in for my "PAL" and am still waiting. I have heard a few "horror" stories of people moose hunting and the MNR driving with OPP and them taking guns if you don't have "ALL" documentation. I am just curious what happening around the GTA.

Re: Browning A5 Question

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Posted by dave on October 02, 2001 at 10:34:39:

In Reply to: Re: Browning A5 Question posted by Jason on June 12, 2001 at 07:05:52:

I own and use a light 12 (2 3/4")it was made in '57.they will handle light and heavey loads.If you find that it doesn't extract the light loads take a look at where the brass compression sleeve is under the forestock.For light loads it should be at the rear of the spring and for heavey loads at the front of the spring.hope this helps dave

Whitetail Bow Season Opener

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Posted by bowhunter on October 02, 2001 at 10:34:08:

Anybody out after whitetails with ther bows yet ? Managed to score a nice doe on the first day. First time I've ever taken one on opening day. I going to be a bit more selective with my second tag.

Re: Hows Luther????

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 02, 2001 at 09:01:33:

In Reply to: Re: Hows Luther???? posted by Fischer on October 02, 2001 at 08:12:09:

How many people were in yesterday for the pheasants. Thinking of heading up tommorow. Were there many birds?

Re: Duck Boat Wanted

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Posted by Stephen on October 02, 2001 at 08:58:22:

In Reply to: Duck Boat Wanted posted by Sure Shot on October 01, 2001 at 13:14:14:

I may have one you are interested in. Email me and I will reply with the details.

Re: Grouse Hunting

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Posted by Stephen on October 02, 2001 at 08:54:34:

In Reply to: Grouse Hunting posted by Jeff Moore on October 01, 2001 at 13:01:20:

I know years ago, friends used to hunt around Nogies Creek for grouse all the time. Not sure where exactly. I would like to know if this area is still any good, I've been thinking of heading up that way some time.

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by RRC on October 02, 2001 at 08:26:51:

In Reply to: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by Leon on October 01, 2001 at 11:36:46:

Another way it pin down grouse is to use a dog. Pointing dogs will point at least giving you fair warning that a bird is up front. You move in for the flush and bang! Hopefuly a droped bird. Another type of dog is a flusher. I grouse hunt with a Lab and it's a bit different as she flushes rather than points but one must be able to read his dog when she gets birdy. the trick here is to train a flusher to hunt within gun range.

Re: Hows Luther????

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Posted by Mike on October 02, 2001 at 08:18:28:

In Reply to: Re: Hows Luther???? posted by Fischer on October 02, 2001 at 08:12:09:

I was there Sunday scouting for deer & not a duck to be seen!!!!!!

Re: Hows Luther????

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Posted by Fischer on October 02, 2001 at 08:12:09:

In Reply to: Hows Luther???? posted by BlueWing on October 01, 2001 at 14:13:44:

Was there yesterday for the pheasant opener. We each got our two :)

As for ducks, my buddy and I commented several times about not seeing ANY ducks in any the ponds in the pheasant area. Didn't even see any flyers. Maybe it was the good weather and they were sitting back with their webbed feet up. :)

Re: HEY OnnO

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Posted by OnnO on October 01, 2001 at 17:39:27:

In Reply to: HEY OnnO posted by Blackwolf on September 30, 2001 at 13:43:11:

Thank you, Blackwolf,

Please check your mail box.

OnnO

Long Point

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Posted by Whack a Quack on October 01, 2001 at 17:36:38:

Wishin I was fishin, went out Sat am and managed 3 birds on my first hunt of the year (one banaded mallard which made the hunt). Water is low low low, I was happy to have my pirouge and a push pole as a paddle just did not cut it. Very few birds in the marsh with little shooting. Weather was too nice and wanted to fish on Sunday but a bout of food poisoning from Dockside Dan's in Port Rowan (read: avoid the place) put me down until Monday. Waiting for some significant weather to move things around, on golden pond does not make for a good hunt Cheers

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by ajb on October 01, 2001 at 16:24:44:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by Sure Shot on October 01, 2001 at 13:36:10:

In the interest of firearms safety, you may want to think twice about pointing your loaded gun at "sounds". I'm sure Sureshot isn't advocating doing anything dangerous, but make sure you are very aware of your surroundings.

Hows Luther????

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Posted by BlueWing on October 01, 2001 at 14:13:44:

Am going to luther this weekend, hows the duck hunting, are there alot of ducks, any geese, and how the water levels..I here the ducks are starting to stack up.. thanks BW

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 01, 2001 at 13:36:10:

In Reply to: Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by goose getter on October 01, 2001 at 11:54:43:

I have also expressed that opinion, and my Dad always told me the bullet is faster then the bird. My only opinion is bring the gun up to the ready position in the direction of the sound you will atleast get more shots off, then you xcan work on your accuracy.

Duck Boat Wanted

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Posted by Sure Shot on October 01, 2001 at 13:14:14:

Looking for a duck boat. Something I can put on top of my truck, no motor, but not a cannoe.

thanks

Grouse Hunting

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Posted by Jeff Moore on October 01, 2001 at 13:01:20:

Having a hard time locating grouse in the Peterborough and surrounding areas.Is it just me or is the grouse population going down in this area.Anyone have directions as to a good spot to harvest these birds.Maybe there should be a group of hunters created to help replentish the ones takin.Anyway any help would be great.Thanks in advance

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by Goose Getter on October 01, 2001 at 12:55:54:

In Reply to: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by Leon on October 01, 2001 at 11:36:46:

Try slowing right down. You will find yourself getting closer to the birds, and enjoying the fall colors. just a thought

Re: Help Need a new gun...

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Posted by Killington on October 01, 2001 at 12:52:51:

In Reply to: Re: Help Need a new gun... posted by Blue on September 29, 2001 at 22:30:56:

Ellwood Epps Sporting Goods Phone: (705)689-5333 Hwy 11 N, Orillia, ON P0E 1N0

Killington

duck hunting

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Posted by dave on October 01, 2001 at 12:38:53:

I was wondering if anybody has hunted around Mitchells bay.If so where would be a good place to set up.Any info would be appreciated. thanks dave

Nonquon

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Posted by Jay on October 01, 2001 at 12:20:11:

Can anyone provide any information or expieriences on hunting in the Nonquon area NW of Port Perry? I have never been there, wondering what small game I can expect, where the upland birds are if any. What are the best roads trails to get to a particular area? Not looking for Deer or Bear, Duck would be nice. Any info would be appreciated, thanks in advance. Jay

Re: grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by goose getter on October 01, 2001 at 11:54:43:

In Reply to: grouse flushing wild/foliage posted by Leon on October 01, 2001 at 11:36:46:

I wasn't there but maybe slow down your pace alot. You may get closer to the birds, and enjoy the colors more. Just a thought.

grouse flushing wild/foliage

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Posted by Leon on October 01, 2001 at 11:36:46:

All,

I went grouse hunting a few times in Southern ON. Well, it's frustrating. Last time I found a good habitat - grouse were flushing every 10-15 min. But with a gun in my hands I couldn't squeeze a shot off - some of them I didn't even see - just heard. Others dissapeared in the bushes so quickly - not enough time to mount a gun.

You can say I wasn't ready for the 1-st bird, may be the second, but then I was very alert, but - no chance.

I shoot clays, so I am not that bad a shot.

Is waiting for leaves to fall is only option?

Leon

Duck plucker

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Posted by Don on October 01, 2001 at 10:44:02:

I am looking for a mechanical duck plucker.I would like to purchase from a Canadian supplier if possible. Is there a company out there that deals in this sort of equipment in the 100-400 dollar price range.Thanks Don

Re: Luther Marsh Deer???

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Posted by Frank on October 01, 2001 at 01:03:13:

In Reply to: Luther Marsh Deer??? posted by Mike on September 29, 2001 at 07:02:36:

Unfortunately I cannot answer your question but I can give you a number that might help. Try calling (519)928-2832 for Luther Marsh or (519)621-2761 for the Grand River Conservation Authority.

As for the safety of bowhunting at Luther, I should add that the controlled pheasant hunt takes place on the north end of the complex and tends to concentrate many small game hunters in that area. You might also try the sanctuary area at the north end of the lake once it opens up in November as I've seen tons of tracks in there when I went after grouse there. You'll probably find an area suitable to your needs somewhere on the property, especially later in the season when things die down a bit, though you would certainly want to keep in mind Artman's concerns about the place.

Do make sure to ask how the Tuesday/Thursday no-hunting policy applies to archery deer as I recall that it did not apply to deer hunters during the controlled gun hunt.

Regards,

Frank

HEY OnnO

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Posted by Blackwolf on September 30, 2001 at 13:43:11:

E-mail me if you are interested in doing a hunt with my son and I.

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by Blackwolf on September 30, 2001 at 13:37:31:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by OnnO on September 26, 2001 at 13:18:26:

Saw a guide on a goose hunt man that was pitiful, Guide was dressed in red, and they would call after the geese left not before. After two hours and about 200 geese flying close to them, they shot 0 geese. Save your hard earned money!!! You seem like a decent enough fellow with the true hunting spirit. I don't care what race or clour you are but I judge a man on his heart.

E-mail me if you are interested in hunting with me, and my son and I will gladly share the little knowledge we have with you.

Re: shot size for geese

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Posted by Blackwolf on September 30, 2001 at 13:17:28:

In Reply to: shot size for geese posted by Don on September 29, 2001 at 13:47:35:

I find that 1oz, 2 3/4 #2 are the best all round.The more shot with steel the slower the pellets. I find with steel speed kills. Remember that steel properties and lead are two diffrent animals, and where lead will give steel doesn't, and the more pellets you have, slow down the shot.

My son and I dropped six geese yesterday all around the 35yrd mark. We had no wounded geese.

Re: Luther Marsh Deer???

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Posted by Mike on September 30, 2001 at 04:17:59:

In Reply to: Re: Luther Marsh Deer??? posted by artman on September 29, 2001 at 10:47:31:

Well my question still wan't answered and as for what you have indicated, if it is that bad, i'd bow hunt on Sunday when the idiots cannot be in there with their firearms!

Re: for sale gun for parts...

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Posted by Anthony on September 29, 2001 at 22:32:16:

In Reply to: Re: for sale gun for parts... posted by jason on September 29, 2001 at 17:45:10:

would like to get 250 for it, its brand new just the recievers is no good thats what the gunsmith told me.. thanks anth

Re: Help Need a new gun...

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Posted by Blue on September 29, 2001 at 22:30:56:

In Reply to: Re: Help Need a new gun... posted by Matt Ende on September 29, 2001 at 09:50:20:

anyone got the phone numbers for epps.. thanks Blue

Re: shot size for geese

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Posted by Matt on September 29, 2001 at 22:11:27:

In Reply to: Re: shot size for geese posted by Andy on September 29, 2001 at 20:47:51:

If hunting exclusively geese, (eg early season, late season) I would use Federal Premium Magnum, Remington Nitro Mag, Challenger Supreme, or Fast-Steel 3" BBB in an imp. cyl. choke (Rem 870 'SPS-T' 23" barrel). I'd imagine that bb and #1 would work equally well, as long as you have an efficient pattern. The BBB are great when the birds are spooky and are reluctant to get right into the decoys. When hunting geese and ducks, I use 3" #2s in either an imp.cyl. or mod. choke. Aim for the head and neck, and let them glide right into the decoys for a good 15 yard, head-on or overhead shot.

Re: shot size for geese

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Posted by Andy on September 29, 2001 at 20:47:51:

In Reply to: shot size for geese posted by Don on September 29, 2001 at 13:47:35:

Went out yesterday near Chesterville with a buddy and we had our limit in two hours - no sky-busting, just 40 yds and closer. I used #1's in a 1 9'16 oz 3 1/2" load with a skeet choke. I patterned it on paper and found it quite acceptable at 35 yds and it proved itself yesterday. The "charts" usually say BB and up, but at 35 yds you could use 2's and still have the energy you need. The real determiner is what your gun does on paper, not every Tom, Dick and Andy's opinion. It's not too late to pattern.

Re: Grouse

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Posted by steve on September 29, 2001 at 20:22:36:

In Reply to: Grouse posted by Shooter on September 28, 2001 at 03:33:26:

i think that law applies to pheasant hunting.(no 22`s)

Re: shot size for geese

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Posted by Kern on September 29, 2001 at 17:45:41:

In Reply to: shot size for geese posted by Don on September 29, 2001 at 13:47:35:

I use BB and BBB but I find BB patterns a bit better. Keep in mind 35 yrds is gettin to the limit of some steel loads and a good pattern can mean the difference between a good kill and cripple. If you are shootin over decoys, I suspect your shots wont be as far as 35 yrds and any size shot will drop them.

Kern

Re: for sale gun for parts...

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Posted by jason on September 29, 2001 at 17:45:10:

In Reply to: for sale gun for parts... posted by Anthony on September 27, 2001 at 23:28:03:

what you got in mind for a price ??? email me if you want

Re: shot size for geese

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Posted by wicket on September 29, 2001 at 17:00:14:

In Reply to: shot size for geese posted by Don on September 29, 2001 at 13:47:35:

35yrds or less I wouldn't hesitate to use 1's. That is my duck load as well....but if I am hunting geese I usually use 1 3/8 bbb. Limit your range and you could probably use popcorn.

shot size for geese

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Posted by Don on September 29, 2001 at 13:47:35:

What size of steel shot is recomended for geese at 35 yds or less?Don

Re: Luther Marsh Deer???

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Posted by artman on September 29, 2001 at 10:47:31:

In Reply to: Luther Marsh Deer??? posted by Mike on September 29, 2001 at 07:02:36:

You might want to find out if there is a designated area for bow hunting. Luther marsh is about the last place on earth I would want to sit in a tree stand. Too many people shooting at anything that moves. I went there last year for phesants and was terrified the whole time. I was wearing blaze orange from hat to waist and someone still shot a branch down from above my head. You could here people shooting through the trees above your head, so sitting a stand might prove to be very painful. Luther is by far a great place to hunt but it is ruined by a few careless hunters. People need to remember when hunting in there that shooting a bird is not the most important thing, SAFETY IS.

Re: Luther Marsh Deer???

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Posted by artman on September 29, 2001 at 10:47:29:

In Reply to: Luther Marsh Deer??? posted by Mike on September 29, 2001 at 07:02:36:

You might want to find out if there is a designated area for bow hunting. Luther marsh is about the last place on earth I would want to sit in a tree stand. Too many people shooting at anything that moves. I went there last year for phesants and was terrified the whole time. I was wearing blaze orange from hat to waist and someone still shot a branch down from above my head. You could here people shooting through the trees above your head, so sitting a stand might prove to be very painful. Luther is by far a great place to hunt but it is ruined by a few careless hunters. People need to remember when hunting in there that shooting a bird is not the most important thing, SAFETY IS.

Re: Help Need a new gun...

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Posted by Skyman on September 29, 2001 at 10:35:55:

In Reply to: Re: Help Need a new gun... posted by Matt Ende on September 29, 2001 at 09:50:20:

Agreed! Epps is the best for anything to do with shotgunning in Ontario.

Re: Help Need a new gun...

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Posted by Matt Ende on September 29, 2001 at 09:50:20:

In Reply to: Help Need a new gun... posted by Blue on September 28, 2001 at 23:04:05:

I am pretty sure that Epps in Orillia is the cheapest. Call and find out. My buddy just bought a Beretta, and the price they could order it for was about 150 less than Gagnons or LeBarons.

Luther Marsh Deer???

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Posted by Mike on September 29, 2001 at 07:02:36:

I heard that you can bow hunt for deer in Luther Marsh. Can anyone advise as to whether or not there is a hunting charge & how does it work......thanks in advance...Mike

Re: Recipes

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Posted by woody on September 29, 2001 at 03:30:42:

In Reply to: Recipes posted by Goose Getter on September 26, 2001 at 12:19:13:

try this! Marinate your duck breasts in a pint of your favorite brew for a few hours, add a spice or two if you wish. Then fry them in an electric fry pan with a couple cans of mushroom soup. This may sound disgusting but it is rather tasty.

Help Need a new gun...

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Posted by Blue on September 28, 2001 at 23:04:05:

Does anyone know where I could get the best price for a new beretta 391 in camo, anywhere in southern ontario is fine.. thanks Blue

Re: Choke tubes added on.

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Posted by dave on September 28, 2001 at 14:55:16:

In Reply to: Re: Choke tubes added on. posted by artman on September 27, 2001 at 22:26:33:

Precision arms in King city is supposed to be the best gunsmith for choke tubes,apparently he can fit tubes in any barrel.I don't have his number handy but I can get it. good luck dave

Re: Grouse

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Posted by Kern on September 28, 2001 at 07:29:39:

In Reply to: Grouse posted by Shooter on September 28, 2001 at 03:33:26:

That only applies to Migratory and Turkey. I prefer shotgun though since here in southern Ont the birds take flight very easily.

Kern

Grouse

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Posted by Shooter on September 28, 2001 at 03:33:26:

reading the posts below about modifying a 22 calibre for grouse shooting. i thought you couldnt shoot game birds with a single projectile weapon? maybe i am wrong.....

Shooter

Re: Goose season

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Posted by shooter on September 28, 2001 at 03:23:52:

In Reply to: Goose season posted by confused on September 27, 2001 at 10:20:08:

yes, sept 22 thru dec 28

for sale gun for parts...

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Posted by Anthony on September 27, 2001 at 23:28:03:

Mosseberg 9200 the gun itselft is in brand new shape, only thing is the reciever is not in working order, the barrel stock etc. is all 100% ok. make offers on it..I have no use for it I sold my other 9200 already and the guy said he did'nt want the extra parts..it comes with a modified screw in choke.. thanks Anth

Re: Choke tubes added on.

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Posted by Huntsman on September 27, 2001 at 23:17:00:

In Reply to: Choke tubes added on. posted by Artman on September 27, 2001 at 21:31:10:

artman, give Ontario Gun Services a call. (519) 482-9422. He is good and reasonable.

Re: Choke tubes added on.

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Posted by artman on September 27, 2001 at 22:26:33:

In Reply to: Re: Choke tubes added on. posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 27, 2001 at 22:08:01:

Thanks, I think I will call around a bit and get quotes on this work. Has anyone used Shooter's Choice for this type of work and can they recommend anyone for this work. I have family in Cobourg and know Keith Long, can anyone recommend anyone else? Thank you

Re: Choke tubes added on.

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 27, 2001 at 22:08:01:

In Reply to: Choke tubes added on. posted by Artman on September 27, 2001 at 21:31:10:

Usually gunsmiths have to cut the barrel back a little bit to remove any constriction in order to install screw in chokes.

Brent

Choke tubes added on.

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Posted by Artman on September 27, 2001 at 21:31:10:

Can anyone tell me if it is possible for a gunsmith to add choke tubes to a modified choke vent rib barrel of a Winchester Model 1200 or if I need to find another barrel for the gun. Just curious before I start calling for quotes from reputable gunsmiths. Thank you in advance to all replies. Also still looking for a blind mate for Saturday morning on Island lake. Also looking for a partner for goose hunting, I have permission to hunt some prime goose fields near Orangeville but I don't own any decoys and can't afford any this season. Good shooting all.

Wanted: 12 gauge Shotgun

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Posted by Dan on September 27, 2001 at 20:33:41:

I am looking for a 12 gauge semi or o/u for duck hunting. Must be 3" chamber.

Re: FIRST AID

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Posted by Brent on September 27, 2001 at 20:15:29:

In Reply to: Re: FIRST AID posted by ARTMAN on September 27, 2001 at 18:32:14:

Sparky:

Hope everything works out okay for your pal.

It certainly is a good eye opener. I am up for first aid requalification on next Wednesday!!!

Makes ya think about things.

Brent

Re: FIRST AID

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Posted by ARTMAN on September 27, 2001 at 18:32:14:

In Reply to: FIRST AID posted by Sparky on September 27, 2001 at 16:57:38:

Hope your buddy will be alright and will be out in the blind again soon.

FIRST AID

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Posted by Sparky on September 27, 2001 at 16:57:38:

Let me tell you a little story...it's a bit long but you will see why. Today was like any other day this week.. Rainy out but my hunting partner and I still wanted to get out and see if we could bag a few birds.... after all what better duck hunting weather ........

We got to the blind, set up and waited for day light and legal shooting time..... The birds did not want to cooperate today so with only one hen mallard we packed up and started our trek off of the beach......... We just crossed over a small creek and not 300 feet from the parking lot where the car was, I turned around to see my long time hunting partner and one of my best friends start to stumble in the dirt, thinking he only lost his balance in the sand I watched him and began to chuckle to myself..... Then it happened this was no stumble, he went completely rigid, his face went red and his lips blue and he fell to the ground. My long time friend was having a seizure ! I felt very alone and yes afraid, but my friend was counting on me for help. After dealing with the situation and making sure that he was safe and comfortable as he could be I ran to the parking lot in search of help. The first time in all the trips to this spot and there was not an entire sole to be found for help. After looking in the lot I ran back to ensure my friend was alright and told him not to move as I had to drive a short distance to get help. As I ran back to the car a miracle happened a guy drive up to walk his dog. I told him what had happened and he went for help. He returned a short time later stating that an ambulance was on the way. I count my blessing that I have been certified in Standard St. John's Ambulance first aid

Everyone of us not only has an obligation and high standards to meet while a field, but I think from my experience today, we all have a higher obligation..... thats to our friends and even to the person in the next blind !

If your one of these people who say ‘oh it won't happen to me' well think again because it could ! Help yourself and the people you hunt with and take a first aid course. Its only and weekend and it very well could save life of a friend or family !!

To those who know my good friend Jamie, he is resting well and hopes to get out again soon. I think his season has been cut short but who am I to say.

All the best and hunt safely !

Nick

Re: Duck Boat wanted

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Posted by Skyscraper on September 27, 2001 at 15:14:03:

In Reply to: Re: Duck Boat wanted posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 27, 2001 at 14:02:45:

like a square canoe...something with a couple of seats, lightweight and in pretty good shape.

Re: Duck Boat wanted

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 27, 2001 at 14:02:45:

In Reply to: Duck Boat wanted posted by Skyscraper on September 27, 2001 at 10:29:20:

What kind of boat are you looking for??

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Hey Guys - Check this out!!

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 27, 2001 at 13:49:34:

There is a big fundraising "raffle" that is being put on by a couple of the U.S. waterfowl websites. There are some amazing prizes. First prize is a brand new MLB layout boat or $700 U.S. cash. Lots of hunts, handmade decoys, custom made calls and many other items. All $$$ raised will go to help the families of the lost firefighters and police officer from the Sept. 11 tragedy.

I have tickets available and Canadian money is accepted.

Email me if you want or more info or tickets.

See the complete prize list and details:

www.superlabdecoys.com/relieffundraiser.htm

Thanks, Brent

Re: Luther marsh

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Posted by Skyscraper on September 27, 2001 at 10:54:10:

In Reply to: Luther marsh posted by Ivan on September 25, 2001 at 14:03:41:

Was at Luther Saturday - not bad, but spotty action. Too many guys shooting at nothing but air.

Duck Boat wanted

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Posted by Skyscraper on September 27, 2001 at 10:29:20:

anybody have one for sale?

Goose season

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Posted by confused on September 27, 2001 at 10:20:08:

Just making sure I am reading the hunting regs correctly. Is goose season open from Sept 22-Dec 28 in WMU 90 (norfolk county)? Thanks in advance

Re: landed status

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Posted by Mike on September 27, 2001 at 06:16:26:

In Reply to: landed status posted by immigration officer on September 26, 2001 at 12:27:10:

Well I beg to differ, as my daughter-in-law, who is British & married my son here in Canada was not allowed to work for 6 months!!!! Shows how much you know!!!!!!!!!!!

For Moose hunters!

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Posted by OnnO on September 26, 2001 at 23:18:00:

WHITEHORSE, Yukon (Reuters) - A hunter in the northern wilds of Canada's Yukon Territory got the surprise of his life last week when the supposed bull moose he shot turned out to be not a male, nor a female, but both.

"The hunter shot it, thinking it was a bull. When he got closer, he saw that things weren't as they should have been, or as he expected," Rick Ward, a moose biologist for the Yukon government, said on Friday.

"It was a hermaphroditic moose. It was a female with antlers," said Ward, who added he had never seen anything like it in his 25 years as a biologist -- of which 15 years have been spent studying moose.

"It's very, very rare," he said. "It's about the same as finding hermaphrodites in humans -- very, very low (odds)."

The vast Yukon territory, located next to Alaska, is home to about 30,000 people, an equal number of bears and twice as many moose.

Hunting of male moose is permitted for three months in the autumn of every year, and those who shoot one can live on the meat of a single animal for a winter.

But hunters who shoot cows face steep fines.

Ward said the hunter, who called wildlife authorities after discovering the quirk of nature, was not fined.

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Don on September 26, 2001 at 20:02:47:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Frank on September 26, 2001 at 15:50:33:

I contacted the MNR this spring regarding the use of a pellet pistol(below 500fps) for grouse hunting . I was told that it was completly legal but all regulations regarding being encased after sunsetand before sunrise, not loaded in a vehicle etc,would apply.Don

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by KC on September 26, 2001 at 18:07:47:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Kern on September 26, 2001 at 07:41:39:

I inquired a few years ago to a C.O. and was told it was OK, but was told to keep it in the open or the O.P.P. could class it as a CONCEALED weapon.

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Frank on September 26, 2001 at 15:50:33:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Kern on September 26, 2001 at 14:30:47:

My initial advice about checking the CFC would now com into force regarding the MNR. I do believe however that the particular passage cited here probably refers to the fact that federal laws generally do not allow people to use handguns (and full-autos for that matter!) except on a range.

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Kern on September 26, 2001 at 14:30:47:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Fox on September 26, 2001 at 13:51:11:

Hi Fox,

Check page 13 of the regs:

"Firearms include air or pellet guns, bows and crossbows. You may use semi-automatic or self-loading firearms for hunting in Ontario, but not handguns or fully automatic firearms"

Im not sure that rule about 500 fps still counts for much under the new gun legistlation. I know at one point bows were not included in the firearms group, but that too has recently changed.

Kern

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Fox on September 26, 2001 at 13:51:11:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Kern on September 26, 2001 at 07:41:39:

A pellet pistol under 500 fps is not considered a firearm and therefore nor a restricted firarm. This means that you can use one as long as the power id <500fps.

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by OnnO on September 26, 2001 at 13:18:26:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by ajb on September 26, 2001 at 08:31:41:

NO! No offense at all, Mike. You know we're so lucky to live in Canada with people came from all over the world, but some casual joke may hurt others feeling as a result and I did that too!

Yeah, I did start work on the 2nd after I landed. As a legal immigrant come to Canada, he/she can work right the way and he/she can get the SIN immediately so the government can tax you right the way, actually, EVERYONE in Canada can get their SIN, nomatter they are illegal immigrant, criminal or even terrorists, because getting a SIN meaning that you're going to pay TAXES, then you're welcomed by the...Feds!

I know the economic climate is not good, and I didn't work in graphic design field at that time but as a OMDE ( One-Man-Do-Everything) in a wharehouse. And welfare never my first choice!

I'm now working for a national company with my profession and discrimination is an issue that always be over-used. But I never think I was discriminated...except one thing, when people knew I picked up hunting/shooting and got firearms at home. I was labled as bambie killer, company shooter and many other not so funny things that you guys may have heard too. So we hunters are all being discriminated by the crimes that done by a few.

Back to the topic, I'm still planing for my first hunt, probaby go for a guided hunt since I'm the only hunter from people I knew. But I'm keep reading books and asking questio n here. I saw hundreds of geese flown by my front door in last few days, and preteneded to shoulder my shotgun when they were within range (clearly see their feet and even eyes) and follow though their bills. I think its a good training for those skybusters too.

landed status

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Posted by immigration officer on September 26, 2001 at 12:27:10:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by Mike on September 26, 2001 at 06:27:06:

Hey Mike,

Just an FYI.

Potential immigrants (uder independent category)undergo long process of selection and verification. They should be healthy and wealthy ;-) They should show enough funds to support themselfs for 6 month, Eglish (or French) knowledge, occupation/education relevant in Canada with min 1 year of working experience. etc etc. If accepted they are issued immigration visas and the process of their arrival is known as 'landing'. Once they step out of the airport (or their car) they're permanent residents or 'landed immigrants'. They can start working on the same day and it'll be legal.

Now refugees is a WHOLE diff story.

Truly, IO

Recipes

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 26, 2001 at 12:19:13:

Hey, does anyone have a favorite recipe for ducks and geese. I am wanting to try something new

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by ajb on September 26, 2001 at 08:31:41:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by Mike on September 26, 2001 at 06:27:06:

I have witnessed enough white-anglosaxon, Canadian-born slob hunting, to second the opinion that it is not exclusive to one segment of the population. And even if an immigrant works for a few days or weeks without the proper credentials, as long as they start legitimately paying taxes as soon as possible I don't think it is a horrible crime. It pales against the number of us in Canada who routinely do business under the table as a means of cheating the tax man, undercutting competition, and saving a buck. I'd cast a hefty stone at those people if I could, but you know the expression, "let he who is without sin ....". Anyway back to the opening day blues. I spent mine in Quebec and it went well. But another bunch of hunters were hit with pellets from about 150 yds away, by a group that was not only shooting with no regard for the safety of others, but who also reportedly couldn't tell the difference between a duck and a great blue heron. Truly sad.

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Kern on September 26, 2001 at 07:41:39:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Mike on September 26, 2001 at 06:30:33:

The regs say you cant hunt with a pistol. Doesnt say if there is an exception for air guns. Perhaps the Co's and OPP assumed you were using it for target practice??

Kern

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Mike on September 26, 2001 at 06:30:33:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Nimrod on September 25, 2001 at 23:29:16:

Would not a good quality pellet pistol do the trick with no legal hassels???? I know that's what I used to carry in a shoulder holster with no problems when check by CO's and/or OPP!!!!!!

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by Mike on September 26, 2001 at 06:27:06:

In Reply to: Re: ...hunting license with free health care... posted by OnnO on September 25, 2001 at 23:45:26:

No offense meant to you, but one has to wonder how you were able to work the 2nd day you were in the country???? My understanding is that immigrants require a work permit or landed immigrant status, which takes 3-4 months, to work in this country before they become '$10 Canadians'!

Re: ...hunting license with free health care...

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Posted by OnnO on September 25, 2001 at 23:45:26:

In Reply to: Re: Holland Marsh opener! An annual nightmare!! posted by Mike on September 25, 2001 at 06:17:11:

Sorry Mike, I understand your frustration about the Feds and the immigration law, (because I don't like them too), but still can't completely agree with you on this issue.

I myself a new immigrant (10 years in Markham), didn't bring much $ to Canada but a good citizen truly want to be a real Canadian. I worked the 2nd day after I landed Canada and paying almost half of my pay-check every two week for taxes, union, CCP... till now. I understand that most of you guys may contributed to Canada for generations, but I paying my share too.

As a graphic designer, I need to work very hard for my family(2 kids)...and for my hunting too :-) And I know no new immigrants who is on welfare or something, just occasionally EI.

I'm a new hunter with no experience and connection but I do know how to be a safe and ethical hunter. I may not be a GOOD hunter now, but can you guys fellow hunters come bring me on field and show me how to be a GOOD hunter so I can pass it to my next generation and other new hunters???

Getting a hunting license is not that hard. I passed mine with 1 mistake 2 months ago. Actually, if everyone put safety (not the button) on the first place always, it's not hard to pass the test. However, some guys(not new immigrant) on my class did fail, even on the multiple choice section!!! Race won't make people bad hunters, but good education can make people good hunters.

Don't blame all the hunters because of a few proachers and so don't label all the new immigrants for a few criminals.

Sorry for my bad english and please read what I really mean for. And looking forward to see you guys in the great outdoor of Canada someday.

OnnO Yeung

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Nimrod on September 25, 2001 at 23:29:16:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Frank on September 25, 2001 at 21:33:14:

Yes.I think I will contact the C.F.C to make sure it is legal...Thanks

Re: Opener

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Posted by Landing Redneck on September 25, 2001 at 21:41:16:

In Reply to: Opener posted by Goose Getter on September 24, 2001 at 16:31:28:

You are right about the woodies. We got seven ducks between the two of us and six were wood ducks. There were a ton flying, we were in Holland Marsh. Lot's of mallards but way too high after the skybusters broke loose at 6:20am. Should be a good year, love to bring some geese in and that should be easier as the pressure lessons.

Happy Hunting.

Re: Holland Marsh opener

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Posted by Landing Redneck on September 25, 2001 at 21:36:30:

In Reply to: Holland Marsh opener posted by Leon on September 24, 2001 at 08:55:20:

Welcome to public hunting hell. I used to hunt the public area in the marsh as well for a couple of years. Got sick of the guy's in white socks and dress shoes shooting song birds for soup. My advice is to get a boat and go either up or down the river grab some bullrushes and make your blind. Be sure not to take someone elses spot and if you don't have a dog, stay home and play Nintendo. Without a dog you will never find a bird, it is thick. Good Luck, it should be quieter now.....

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Frank on September 25, 2001 at 21:33:14:

In Reply to: Re: 22/modification? posted by Stephen on September 25, 2001 at 13:02:33:

I have heard of a rifle bolt-action receiver and barrel (18 1/2") fitted to a pistol stock (taken from a Remington design) so that it could be fired as a handgun. It was done in Canada and was legal several years ago, though I would suggest that you call the Canadian Firearms Centre to make sure. It sounds like an interesting idea.

Ammunition

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Posted by Silver Fox on September 25, 2001 at 19:05:55:

Looking for a distributor who sells PMC "Precision Made Cartridge" in .270 Winchester in 150 Gr. PSP

Any Help would be appreciated.

Island Lake

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Posted by Artman on September 25, 2001 at 18:39:46:

Hello all and welcome to the greatest time of year. HUNTING SEASON. Any way I was wondering if anyone had a chance to go to Island Lake for the opener? If so how was it and could anyone suggest a good area to hunt from at this time of year? I am looking to go out on Saturday morning and was wondering if anyone else is contemplating this as well. If so could you please email me and maybe we could share a blind, I have a canoe and a few deeks but no dog. I have been hunting for 20 years and safety is my number one concern. Good luck and hopefully the skyblasters will take the rest of the season off.

Good Shooting ???

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Posted by Sid on September 25, 2001 at 17:27:35:

In Reply to: Re: Holland Marsh opener! An annual nightmare!! posted by west on September 24, 2001 at 10:06:19:

You mentioned that the skybusters were gone by the time the good shooting starts!!! At what time does the good shooting start?? I'm usually out of the marsh by 10. Should I be staying later?!?!?!?!????

Skybusters

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Posted by Matt Ende on September 25, 2001 at 16:44:30:

I feel real sorry for you guys that had your hunts ruined by skybusting activity. Don't worry, these guys are already out of ammo, and will likely be busy spotlighting deer and snagging salmon by the time the GOOD ducking gets here. Remember, there are only mergansers in Hell, and that's where these simpletons will burn eternally.

Re: Luther marsh

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 25, 2001 at 15:40:34:

In Reply to: Luther marsh posted by Ivan on September 25, 2001 at 14:03:41:

2 Mallards and a woody Lots of birds around.

caltron swamp

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Posted by Rob on September 25, 2001 at 14:34:16:

directions to duck hunting spot near Aylmer,it's been 10 years or longer since last time.forgot how to get there.

Re: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting?

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Posted by goose getter on September 25, 2001 at 14:05:14:

In Reply to: Re: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting? posted by WEST on September 20, 2001 at 14:58:41:

Great success with Federal 2 3/4 inch #1's on the weekend. Make sure you get as much powder as possible (at least 1 1/4 ounce)

Luther marsh

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Posted by Ivan on September 25, 2001 at 14:03:41:

Hi, can anyone give me a report of Luther marsh for last weekend. I want to go this weekend.

Thanks Ivan.

Re: 22/modification?

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Posted by Stephen on September 25, 2001 at 13:02:33:

In Reply to: 22/modification? posted by Nimrod on September 25, 2001 at 11:01:00:

Not sure legally, it would sound reasonable, but somehow I feel there would be a problem somewhere. Have you ever tried to read the rules? there are so many sub sections, I feel anything done to a gun would cause some problems. I know there are pistol grips for shotguns, and what you are suggesting by cutting the stock would make it a pistol grip. not sure if I've ever seen one on a rifle.

Make it easier on yourself, pick up a decent slingshot, no noise to scare any potential moose, lighter to carry, and those dumb northern grouse are great targets.

22/modification?

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Posted by Nimrod on September 25, 2001 at 11:01:00:

Can anyone tell me if it is legal to shorten the stock on a 22 cooey single shot.according to the C.F.C so long as the barrel is over 18 1/2 inches and the overall length of the firearm is 660 mm or more it,s ok.I see so many grouse when I am moose hunting and it would me nice if I could carry it in my backpack..Thanks..Mike

Re: Holland Marsh opener! An annual nightmare!!

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Posted by Mike on September 25, 2001 at 06:17:11:

In Reply to: Re: Holland Marsh opener! An annual nightmare!! posted by west on September 24, 2001 at 10:06:19:

They probably didn't have to take one if they've been hunting for years. Also if they are recent immigrants to Canada, our spineless federal government probably gave them a hunting license with the free health care, welfare, housing & everything else the government gives out that we, the TAXPAYERS, have to pay for!!!!!!!!

303British.com - Updated!

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on September 25, 2001 at 03:26:27:

I think that you'll find the page better laid out to easily get information about your rifle. All the articles/info are now instantly accessible just by clicking on the applicable title.

Feel free to drop me an email.

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: Long Point

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Posted by Shooter on September 25, 2001 at 00:52:55:

In Reply to: Long Point posted by Ivan on September 24, 2001 at 12:46:17:

try this one:

The Lee Brown Waterfowl Management Area Port Rowan, ON (519) 586-7449

Re: Opener

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Posted by sparky on September 24, 2001 at 21:10:14:

In Reply to: Opener posted by Goose Getter on September 24, 2001 at 16:31:28:

you got that right Goose ! I'm in the Peterborough area and they are all over the river. Perhaps because of the drier weather this summer which dried up most of the small shallow swamps that they frequent have driven them more to the open water.

Re: Opener

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Posted by sparky on September 24, 2001 at 21:04:27:

In Reply to: Opener posted by Kern on September 23, 2001 at 13:11:58:

Well we got out for an early start to the opener ! We saw a lot of wood ducks this year and few mallards. Rather odd compared to other years ! We got 4 Woodies for the morning and generally see a lot of geese however this year we heard them but not in sight.

We got out again this morning and onlt saw 4 ducks and one flock of geese which we mangaged to get three.

Nice to finally see some rain in the area as well.

Sparky

Doesn't matter which public land...

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Posted by Sid on September 24, 2001 at 18:17:48:

In Reply to: Holland Marsh opener posted by Leon on September 24, 2001 at 08:55:20:

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter which public site you go to, it's all the same. I usually go to Tiny for the opener, this year we went to Keswick and all the morons were out just the same. You'll always get guys skybusting, or shooting at ducks they have no right to shoot at. You'll get guys who can't tell the difference between seagulls and guys who shoot at hawks. Gives us all a bad name. I wish I had time to scout some private farms and ask for permission.

Opener

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 24, 2001 at 16:31:28:

How did everyone do. We were pretty productive. 4 Geese, 1 mallard, and 2 woodys. Is it just me or is there alot more woodys than mallards?

Long Point

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Posted by Ivan on September 24, 2001 at 12:46:17:

Hi, I want to do some duck hunting at Long Point and book a blind but I dont have a number. Does anybody have a number that I can call to do this.

Thanks Ivan.

Re: Gun For sale:

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Posted by Anth on September 24, 2001 at 10:33:10:

In Reply to: Gun For sale: posted by Anthony on September 23, 2001 at 19:15:12:

sorry forgot to add my email: y_not5@hotmail.com

Re: Holland Marsh opener! An annual nightmare!!

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Posted by west on September 24, 2001 at 10:06:19:

In Reply to: Holland Marsh opener posted by Leon on September 24, 2001 at 08:55:20:

Hey Leon,

I know what you mean, all the monkeys come out on openning day. The good thing is they are gone by the time the good shooting comes around. The lack of ethics and safety for that matter I've personally witnessed at the Holland is unbelieveable!! I can honestly say half of the idiots there should not own guns or a hunting license, we use GUNS in this sport and some people fail to realize the dangers involved. Makes you really wonder how some of these people passed the hunter safety course!!!

Safe shooting, West

Holland Marsh opener

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Posted by Leon on September 24, 2001 at 08:55:20:

Went to Holland marsh for opener morning. Neven ever again. It was like military operation - so many ppl with guns... Each bird within a mile was shot at by 5 different ppl. They call seagulls with goose calls and shoot at them ;-( They shoot at duck at 150 yards overhead...

Really sad experience. Leon

Re: 3D SHOOTS???

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Posted by Mike on September 24, 2001 at 06:20:45:

In Reply to: Re: 3D SHOOTS??? posted by Skyman on September 23, 2001 at 09:49:49:

Thanks for the info guys & yes Kern i'm all ready for deer but don't have a clue where to hunt around here. I'm in the Brampotn area & any advice would be appreciated. Mike

Gun For sale:

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Posted by Anthony on September 23, 2001 at 19:15:12:

Mossberg 9200 auto(wood grips) , new condtion, make me an offer: must sell due to new job no time to hunt.. thanks Anth

Re: Opener

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Posted by Bow nut on September 23, 2001 at 13:54:26:

In Reply to: Opener posted by Kern on September 23, 2001 at 13:11:58:

First time ever goose hunting, and we managed to get our limit. I can't take any credit as the guys that brought me did all the work. They scouted the fields, did the calling and decoy set up. Come to think of it all I did was show up with a gun.

Re: Opener

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Posted by Fischer on September 23, 2001 at 13:34:20:

In Reply to: Opener posted by Kern on September 23, 2001 at 13:11:58:

Was out last night, starting at 4:30. By then, the sky had completely cleared and the wind died down. Didn't see ANYTHING flying until about 7:15, when a buddy wandered out into the decoy set to look over the cornfield behind us. A bunch of woody's came out of the sun right over his head, before we saw them. I managed to get one.

About 15 min. later, we had a flock of at least 50 woody's come by and make one pass. We held off, hoping they'd make another turn and settle down, but no such luck.

Buddy did better in the morning. Lots of birds on the move. Got 3 geese and one mallard.

Opener

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Posted by Kern on September 23, 2001 at 13:11:58:

Wasnt a very good day for us unless you take into account the perfect weather this weekend for shootin ducks. Reminded me alot of the goose opener. All the duck we saw would not decoy or even give us a fly-by-look-see.

On the other hand, the geese were slightly more co-operative....they let us know when they were comming by being much more vocal then in the early goose season and even came in for close looks but none commited to the deks. Im hoping next weeks with the major drop in temps predicted, the shooting will get better.

Kern

Re: 3D SHOOTS???

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Posted by Kern on September 23, 2001 at 13:02:40:

In Reply to: 3D SHOOTS??? posted by Mike on September 23, 2001 at 07:26:47:

Hey Mike, If you go to the Excalibur website forum, there is a guy there that goes by the nick 10Ring. He does alot of 3d shooting and is heavily involved with the organizing of shoots and tourny's. He shoots in the kitchner area but he will know of any clubs that are setup in southern ont.

Kern

PS...you all setup to try the new bow out for Deer season??

Re: 3D SHOOTS???

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Posted by Skyman on September 23, 2001 at 09:49:49:

In Reply to: 3D SHOOTS??? posted by Mike on September 23, 2001 at 07:26:47:

It's not close to TO but Wayne Jones runs a archery/crossbow shop out of his home in Huntsville and he has a 30 target 3D course set up behind his house on 30 acres. It's a great course. My hunting partner takes his exomag there regularily. Sorry I can't find the number for his home shop but his second hunting shop is located in Bracebridge and is called Skinners Hunting.

3D SHOOTS???

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Posted by Mike on September 23, 2001 at 07:26:47:

I'm looking for somewhere that runs 3D Shoots for crossbows close to the GTA. Thanks in advance for your responses. Mike

Everyone check this out!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Brent on September 22, 2001 at 22:05:21:

I am involved with a fundraiser for the families of the firefighters and police officers in the U.S. that were lost on Sept. 11.

We are running a fundraiser that will give you the chance to win some pretty amazing prices. The grand prize is a brand new 1 man Mighty Layout Boys layout boat. This is an awesome boat. There are also guided hunts, decoys, custom calls and more.

For details check out the website at: www.superlabduckcalls.com

I have tickets available, so if you are interested let me know. A $15 CAN donation gets you 3 tickets and a $30 donation gets you 7 tickets. The draw will take place on November 10.

Please don't hestitate to contact me.

Thanks, Brent

bmason@kawartha.com

Scouting moose.

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Posted by Skyman on September 22, 2001 at 10:27:12:

How's everybodies pre moose hunt scouting going? I've managed to get out three weekends of the last four. One more trips and I'll have all my areas scouted and then just one more trip previous to the hunt to make my final decision on where I'll hunt opening morning.

This year I managed to draw a bull moose tag for WMU 54 but there's only myself and one other guy in our group hunting this year. Where we figure we will be hunting it'll probally take us two at least four days to get the carcass out. Anbody out there own a float plane and want in on a bull moose tag?

A few things I noticed about moose while scouting this year: 1. The more old growth forest the more moose. 2. The more deer sign the fewer moose. Is this a normal pattern across Ontario?

Re: Minors Permit

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Posted by Mike on September 22, 2001 at 07:37:53:

In Reply to: Re: Minors Permit posted by Tackleberry on September 21, 2001 at 20:01:20:

Very well put & I fully agree with you. Let them get a hunting license then everyone is happy!!!!

OLN Television

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Posted by T.J. on September 22, 2001 at 03:27:46:

The Outdoor Quest has been trying to secure broadcast time on the CTV station, Outdoor Life for the past few months and we just received word today that they were not interested in broadcasting our show because of the hunting content. We are very disappointed as we felt there were many hunters in Canada that would be interested in viewing a Canadian hunting/fishing show. I guess you will all have to get a U.S. satellite dish if you want to see the series on The Outdoor Channel. Sorry everyone and thanks for all the interest.

If you'd care to pass your comments along to OLN, they can be sent to audiencerelations@facetheelements.com Rich/T.J. http://www.theoutdoorquest.com

Re: Pigeon Lake Ducks

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 21, 2001 at 20:58:44:

In Reply to: Re: Pigeon Lake Ducks posted by Fischer on September 21, 2001 at 15:03:42:

I live about 3 minutes south of the like. There appears to be quite a few birds. Teal, woodies and big ducks. Obviously lots of honks around.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Minors Permit

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Posted by Tackleberry on September 21, 2001 at 20:01:20:

In Reply to: Minors Permit posted by Clark on September 20, 2001 at 19:13:41:

Well Clark, to start with you need decide is anybody that wants to go into the bush when they know there is active hunting and not want to wear blaze should not be with you. The way you have written it, you are going to be the only one with a firearm, then ALL the responsibility is on YOU.

Now I don't know you, I'm glad you have taken the time to be legal. It's a long process isn't it?? So the last thing you want to do is jepordize that responsiblility. Now that said, ... "BUT they will not even touch my gun..." Bull, sorry buddy but I have been around the block a few times and there is one thing I will say, 1/ either you nuckle under and let them shoot it, or handle it, or 2/ you just became the biggist S.O.B.!! in the county with no friends. Sorry my young friend but that is reality. I am not judging YOU just the natural curiosity of human nature that would be tagging along.

If you are going hunting?...? you should also decide what part the "others" will play, if they are "... in the act of hunting.." then they too must be licenced.

My advise is, if you want it, tell them that it is illegal for them to go "hunting" with you until they are licenced. By doing this you have deflected any of the negative commements to the "bad government" and you can keep your friends with no hard feelings and you're not such a bad SOB after all.

Like I tell people after the cuffs go on, "... Life is full of choices my friend...."

Stay Safe & Shoot Straight....

Tack

Re: Pigeon Lake Ducks

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Posted by Fischer on September 21, 2001 at 15:03:42:

In Reply to: Pigeon Lake Ducks posted by Dave on September 21, 2001 at 13:39:57:

Sorry, never hunted there (yet), but -

How the heck do you get onto that lake? I visited my brother who just moved to Dunsford last weekend. We drove the whole south shore and couldn't find any public access.

bear/photographer

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Posted by Leon on September 21, 2001 at 14:25:09:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Kern on September 20, 2001 at 11:57:16:

Yeah, he was spreading apples on the ground to shoot (photo) deer, when bear 'attacked' him. And he shot it. He happened to have bear license.

Very strange story. Leon

Pigeon Lake Ducks

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Posted by Dave on September 21, 2001 at 13:39:57:

Has anyone been around Pigeon lake? I'm planning on hunting there tomorrow morning and was wondering what I could expect. Is it usually pretty good on the opening day?

Re: GOOSE GUIDE LOST

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Posted by OnnO on September 21, 2001 at 12:25:58:

In Reply to: GOOSE GUIDE LOST posted by john g lamoureux on September 20, 2001 at 21:24:56:

Cedar Grove Farms

Waterfoel Outfitters

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Good luck

Gun cabinet wanted

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Posted by Andy on September 21, 2001 at 11:17:17:

Subject line says it all. Anyone have a smallish (3 or so gun) one for sale?

Re: decoy patterns

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Posted by Kern on September 21, 2001 at 10:22:45:

In Reply to: decoy patterns posted by Blackwolf on September 21, 2001 at 10:05:27:

For geese I always set up in a cresent with a nice pocket in the middle for them to cup into. Early and late season Ill set them in in small pods still keeping a nice pocket inthe middle. As for ducks, the "Willy Nilly" setup usually does ok for me. I usually only shoot small ponds and marshes for ducks so their isnt always room for large spreads.

Kern

decoy patterns

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Posted by Blackwolf on September 21, 2001 at 10:05:27:

The 22nd is almost upon us. I was just curious as to what decoy patters you guys like to use?

I like either the "J" pattern or even the double circle with a few confidence geese thrown in.

Re: GOOSE GUIDE LOST

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 21, 2001 at 04:57:22:

In Reply to: GOOSE GUIDE LOST posted by john g lamoureux on September 20, 2001 at 21:24:56:

Yes, they are still around. They were at the Toronto Hunting Show. I picked up their brochure. I will take a look for it and post their number.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

GOOSE GUIDE LOST

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Posted by john g lamoureux on September 20, 2001 at 21:24:56:

HUNTED SEVERAL FALLS AGO WITH A GREAT GUIDE BUT IN MOVING LOST HIS TEL # AND ADDRESS-QUESTION-WOULD ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW IF "CEDAR GROVE FARMS " IS STILL IN OPERATION AND IF SO WOULD YOU HAVE A CONTACT # OR ADD ? NOTE THE AREA WAS AROUND INGLESIDE ON ON ST LAWARENCE RIVER.

Re: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting?

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 20, 2001 at 21:12:43:

In Reply to: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting? posted by John on September 20, 2001 at 13:42:17:

I use 3" Challenger 2's. It all depends on how your gun patterns each shell. You can try anything from BB's-4's. As West menitoned, a lot has to do with range. Keep your shots within 35-40 yards.

It all comes down to being able to hit your targetly solidly. If you hit the bird with the dense part of the shot pattern and it is within 40 yards, it is coming down, whether you have BB's or 4's.

Over several years of guiding I have seen guys use all kinds of ammo. I don't think you will ever need 3.5 inch for ducks. If you do, you are probably shooting way too far in my opinion.

I have killed and seen a lot of bluebills killed out of layout boats. One of the best shells I have seen for killing bluebills out of a layout boat is Winchester AA trap shells in 7 1/2. This was obviously when lead was legal and birds were decoying right (25 yards).

It all depends on what kind of shooting you are doing and how your gun patterns different shells.

Just my two cents worth, Brent

www.diverducks.com

Minors Permit

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Posted by Clark on September 20, 2001 at 19:13:41:

I am 17 and have a minors permit and I am in a very confusing situation. I did the hunter apprentice thing, and I took the opportunity to have a condition removed from my permit. The condition removed is the one so I can now hunt by myself-- no more sight and vocal range thing. But, what I want to do is take people out hunting with me BUT they will not even touch my gun. Is that legal? I don't see why it wouldn't be, they aren't holding or shooting the gun. If it is legal, do they need to wear the required amount of blaze? Any info would be very helpful.

Re: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting?

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Posted by WEST on September 20, 2001 at 14:58:41:

In Reply to: What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting? posted by John on September 20, 2001 at 13:42:17:

I'VE HAD GREAT LUCK WITH 3" #1 CHALLENGERS MAX LOAD, DOES A GOOD JOB ON DUCKS AND GEESE AND DOES NOT MAKE MINCED MEAT OUT OF THEM. SHOOTING AT REASONABLE DISTANCES OF COURSE!!!!!

REGARDS, WEST

What's the best shot size (steel) for duck hunting?

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Posted by John on September 20, 2001 at 13:42:17:

no message

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Kern on September 20, 2001 at 11:57:16:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Frank on September 20, 2001 at 11:16:57:

There have been sightings in peterborough and last year a photographer shot one in self defence...a rather large one if I remember.

Kern

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 20, 2001 at 11:24:15:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Bill on September 19, 2001 at 23:08:47:

A few years back, Luther Marsh had its own separate draw for deer tags (about a hundred or so I believe) and a very high success rate, though I think that it is now included in the draw for the entire WMU. I have seen tons of tracks there and even jumped a deer while grouse hunting with a friend a few years back at Christmastime so I would think that it is a good spot for bowhunting. You might want to take a good look at the north end of the lake where there is a sanctuary area until mid November. I went after grouse there about two years ago and was astonished at the number of tracks in many of the cedar thickets.

Good luck,

Frank

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 20, 2001 at 11:16:57:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by OnnO on September 19, 2001 at 20:42:48:

There is a controlled hunt for deer at the Copeland forest but it is with muzzleloaders only, and the deadline to apply has long since passed. I am sure that there is opportunity to bow hunt them, but I am not the expert to ask about that. There are probably turkeys there also. You probably would not come across bear until you reach almost up into Muskoka, at which point they can be found, as I once did while searching for small game! In the meantime, good luck scouting.

Regards,

Frank

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 20, 2001 at 11:10:22:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Vince on September 20, 2001 at 09:01:55:

The fee for Luther was fifteen dollars the last time I hunted it two years ago (I sadly got out only once last fall) so there is a chance that it may have gone up since then. At the time they did have a section with blinds for people who have dogs somewhere in the southwest corner of the property thought this may have changed. The most productive hunting comes to hunters who take a canoe or boat out to one of the several islands located along the north and west ends of the lake. The reeds along the shorline are usually about the hight of a person, which alows one to hunt without a blind, though its a good idea to cover one's boat. In recent years the water levels have tended to be very low, which means that it may be slow going with a motor boat, and you should expect a bit of mud flat between the reeds and the waterline. Mallards, bluewings, widgeon and ring-necked duck seemed to be the most numerous with a good number of geese to boot. After the opening rush, these islands are especially good on weekdays and (no hunting Tuesday and Thursdays) and even on many weekends. While I cannot compare it to your hunting experiences outside of Luther, my guess is that its more consistent, even if my own barrel has yet to get hot there.

Without a boat one can hunt several ponds and the shore of the lake with varying success, especially after the sanctuary areas in the north end of the lake are lifted in November (sorry but I haven't the exact date before me). Though there is always the chance of skybusters ruining one's day, especially along the shorelines, a system of parking stakes, the fees to hunt, the cost of steel and the declining number of hunters have gotten rid of most of the rifraf that used to make Luther marsh a joke.

Good luck,

Frank

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Vince on September 20, 2001 at 09:01:55:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Frank on September 19, 2001 at 18:18:25:

Hey Frank,

Would you know what the fee is to hunt at luther and if they have blinds that you can rent as well. I know where Luther is however I have never hunted there before. Most of my hunting is done on private land in the vicinity of Luther however for ducks and geese the hunting is not very stable year after year. I found that some years on the private land there are so many ducks and geese that the barrells of my gun become red and other years its like a ghost town. The idea of a Marsh like Luther does sound appealing becuase of the productivity it produces year after year.

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Bill on September 19, 2001 at 23:08:49:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Frank on September 18, 2001 at 11:28:55:

Can anyone tell me how the Deer hunting (particulary Archery)is at Luther Marsh?

Regards,

Bill

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Bill on September 19, 2001 at 23:08:47:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Frank on September 18, 2001 at 11:28:55:

Can anyone tell me how the Deer hunting (particulary Archery)is at Luther Marsh?

Regards,

Bill

Re: shot birds recovery

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Posted by OnnO on September 19, 2001 at 20:55:35:

In Reply to: shot birds recovery posted by Leon on September 19, 2001 at 12:19:48:

Scouting turkey on the west side of Scugog? Public land? The OFAH report said this ares had very good result this year. I may go for it next time if I can take the turkey lesson.

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by OnnO on September 19, 2001 at 20:42:48:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Frank on September 19, 2001 at 18:18:25:

Thank you Frank,

You experience really erased some of my worries about hunting in public lands since keep reading other hunters with great success majorly on private lands or guided hunts. I think I 'll go out more often with my kids (scouting for me and hiking for them :-) and finding out more hunting spots.

By the way, any story about turkey and big games(Deer & Bear)? Copeland Forest sounds like a place for big games too, any idea?

OnnO...

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 19, 2001 at 18:18:25:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by OnnO on September 18, 2001 at 12:30:59:

First of all I have to point out that most of my hunting in recent years has taken place more to the north-west of Toronto, so I can only give specifics about a few areas to the east (i.e. where you are!) I can say however that being in Markham that you are probably just under two hours away from Presqu'ille, which does provide excellent duck hunting. While there are a few blinds located in very marshy areas where you may lose some birds (this happened to me once a few years ago) at most locations you should be able to recover them easily with chest waders or a canoe. Brighton WMU just north of where you would turn off the 401 to go to Presque'ille offers several hundred acres and areas where you could throw clay pigeons or sight in your rifle. Though I primarily use this area for shooting clay pigeons, I am sure that you could spend a couple of hours searching for small game there. I have only read about Nonquon and heard about if from others that have hunted there, so my advice would be limited.

If nothing else, start off by hunting to the north and west of Toronto. You could go to Luther this Saturday, and while it may be more crowded than I would like, it is not nearly as bad as it used to be in years past. You could even spend the afternoon searching for grouse and woodcock in woods that may be relatively undisturbed due to all of the waterfowl action. I sadly don't think I'll get out to shoot this year before Thanksgiving, but feel free to write back if you would like further details on Luther, or other public hunting areas. I can list more, but since I haven't all of the road directions before me right now, that would be a bit counterproductive!

Good luck!

Frank

PS. When it comes to recovering birds, just remember to plan out ahead when you set up a blind or decoys your means of recovering your birds, so that you don't sink in quicksand or get frustrated searching in shoulder high grass for a downed bird. If you mark where your bird lands and go after it immediately, you should not lose very many.

shot birds recovery

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Posted by Leon on September 19, 2001 at 12:19:48:

In Reply to: Re: WMAs posted by OnnO on September 19, 2001 at 10:12:43:

I never lost a grouse. Ducks are a different story. Once I read a survey saying at least 50% of shot ducks are not found ;-( For geese I only shot 3 in my life - I shot 3 times, 3 geese dropped - I really proud of it. They were not hard to find ;-)

I've been to Scugog Island this May - scouted for turkeys - there's very nice marsh on the west side. I was planning to drop by this fall.

MNR is selling land for 5 mln a year. I think target for this year is 8 ;-(

Leon

Re: WMAs

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Posted by OnnO on September 19, 2001 at 10:12:43:

In Reply to: WMAs posted by Leon on September 19, 2001 at 09:29:05:

Thank you Leon,

The funny thing is I asked the same question in the same MNR last month, and they told me Scugog's gone too!

So, what's your experience for upland birds/duck without a dog. I can accept a miss for birds, but a lost bird may make me feel very bad.

Good luck...for your squirrel stew! :>

WMAs

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Posted by Leon on September 19, 2001 at 09:29:05:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by OnnO on September 18, 2001 at 12:30:59:

Onno,

That's right some of the WMAs no longer there. Last year in Aurora's MNR office they showed me a brochure on WMAs, but refused to give it to me for this very reason - many of these areas are sold, developed etc.

But Nonquon and North of Scugog island are there. MNR used to realease pheasants on Scugog isl, I think they stopped.

I (try to) hunt grouse and I found you have to get quite far north to get to some birds. There's rabbit in abundance in Southern ON, but on public land the pressure is high and critters are well educated, so w/o a dog it's tough (at least for me it is).

I don't hunt coyotes and foxes or squirrels, so this is it on my small game list. I used to shoot squirrels, but they're so easy here - not fun. May be I'll shoot a couple if I'll crave for stew this year ;-)

Good luck, Leon

A little humour...

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Posted by Ken Flieger on September 19, 2001 at 08:34:03:

A couple of moose hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing and his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy who just happens to have a cellphone, whips it out and calls "Emergency, 911". He then gasps to the operator, "I think my friend is dead! What can I do?" The operator, in a calm soothing voice says, "Just take it easy. I can help. First, lets make sure he's dead." ....There is a silence, then a shot is heard and the hunter comes back on the line. He says, "OK, now what?"

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by OnnO on September 18, 2001 at 12:30:59:

In Reply to: Re: Small Game Hunting posted by Frank on September 18, 2001 at 11:28:55:

Hi Frank, thanks for all the informative posting.

I'm a new hunter living in Markham area with no land and connection. So hunting public land is my only choice(can't afford a guided hunt everytime). Since you mentioned Nonquon and Scugog(closest to my home) from another thread, can you tell more small game hunting around these areas. And I thought your on-the -field experiences are much valuable, since I did ask the MNR and they refer me back to the municipal and said the infos on the hunting reg aren't up to date(didn't change for years) and some of the WMAs are no longer existing!!??

Re: Hey Brent

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Posted by OnnO on September 18, 2001 at 12:07:58:

In Reply to: Hey Sparky posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 17, 2001 at 23:27:20:

Hi, Brent

Remember me? How's you guiding business? I got all the lics, a 870 super mag and ready for my first hunt. I understand how busy you must be after the open but I'm appreciate if you can give me a email about all other detail.

Thank you in advance

OnnO...

Re: Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 18, 2001 at 11:28:55:

In Reply to: Small Game Hunting posted by Ivan on September 18, 2001 at 10:54:52:

First of all, there are at least a couple thousand acres of upland game habitat within the Conservation Area itself. There is decent grouse hunting along much of the property right up to the season's end in January, thought you'll probably have the best luck once the leaves come off of the trees. There are also woodcock in the early part of the season, and I have shot several snipe by walking the mud-flats along the shoreline of one of the islands in the lake. I suspect that you might be able to do the same along much of the west end. I have also seen rabbit tracks in abundance once the snow comes down, though I've never had luck with them myself. Upwards of a thousand pheasants have been released annually over the past few years in the northern sections of Luther Marsh, though without a dog you would at least need a couple other hunters to drive and block them. You might also want to have some shells ready for pass shooting geese and ducks just to be safe, since you never know for sure when you might come across a few of them. There's also a good chance of coming across cyotes and fox.

If you wish to hunt elsewhere in the area, there are about eight to ten county forests open to hunting within a few minutes drive of the Marsh. Since it would be hard for me to describe the directions in detail, I would suggest that you phone Cambridge District MNR (see the Hunting Regulations for their number) and they could send you maps of all of these forests that also outline any restrictions on hunting them that may exist. They are mostly planted with evergreens which makes for less than ideal game habitat, but you could probably have luck hunting the edges of the woods.

Good shooting,

Frank

Small Game Hunting

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Posted by Ivan on September 18, 2001 at 10:54:52:

Hi, Can anyone tell me what the small game hunting is like up around Luther Marsh. Is it private land.

Thanks Ivan..

Re: Can Anyone Recommend a Butcher in the Ottawa Area?

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Posted by Bow Nut on September 18, 2001 at 10:30:25:

In Reply to: Can Anyone Recommend a Butcher in the Ottawa Area? posted by Andy on September 16, 2001 at 16:47:50:

Tom Henderson Custom Meat Cutting, located in Chesterville, ON. I use them every year. 613-448-3471. And congradulations.

Re: Hey Sparky

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Posted by sparky on September 18, 2001 at 10:08:25:

In Reply to: Hey Sparky posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 17, 2001 at 23:27:20:

Yes will be going down river early Saturday morning. we did get out for an early hunt but I could only get the opening day off. We got 6 for the morning .

Sounds good for the early hunt Brent! Now if I canget some more time off work. and can't go sick because they all know when its either duck season or ice fishing season !! :)

Sparky...

Re: Thompson-Center Arms

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Posted by Nimrod on September 18, 2001 at 09:28:06:

In Reply to: Re: Thompson-Center Arms posted by OnnO on September 17, 2001 at 18:05:34:

Thank you.

Re: duck opener

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 18, 2001 at 09:20:26:

In Reply to: duck opener posted by hutchman on September 18, 2001 at 08:50:44:

Yes, Yes, Yes Only 4 days to go. It may be a little more busier than usual but it is earlier. Trade off that we are going to have to take.

duck opener

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Posted by hutchman on September 18, 2001 at 08:50:44:

Has anyone heard if the MNR is changing the duck opener in the south from the 25th to this weekend? I heard a rumour and I'm wondering if it's true.

Re: Endangered Geese?

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Posted by Mike on September 18, 2001 at 06:11:36:

In Reply to: Re: Endangered Geese? posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 17, 2001 at 18:23:25:

Canada's National bird is the seagull.....when it's not squawking it's sh*tting......just like our spineless Prime Minister!!!!!!!! HA HA HA

Re: Scugog?

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Posted by Jude on September 17, 2001 at 23:52:01:

In Reply to: Re: Scugog? posted by Frank on September 17, 2001 at 16:24:52:

FYI Hunting is off limits on the south side of the causeway.

Hey Sparky

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 17, 2001 at 23:27:20:

Did you get out for the early season at all?? Where are you heading Saturday, down the river?? I have been doing some scouting on Pigeon. Lets get together for an hunt early in the season. I have a great little marshboat rigged up and would could go give Pigeon a try.

Let me know, Brent

Re: Registration

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 17, 2001 at 23:24:38:

In Reply to: Registration posted by Rob on September 17, 2001 at 20:53:46:

I believe it is January 1, 2003.

B.

Re: New to hunt in ON

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Posted by Bill on September 17, 2001 at 22:46:27:

In Reply to: Re: New to hunt in ON posted by Goose Getter on September 13, 2001 at 15:47:48:

How is the deer hunting at Luther Marsh...Particulary bow hunting???

Registration

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Posted by Rob on September 17, 2001 at 20:53:46:

When do all guns need to be registered by?

Re: Endangered Geese?

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Posted by sparky on September 17, 2001 at 20:45:37:

In Reply to: Endangered Geese? posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:53:30:

Yes, I too have come across this several times as well.

Happy hunting as Saturday is almost upon us !

Sparky

Re: Endangered Geese?

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 17, 2001 at 18:23:25:

In Reply to: Endangered Geese? posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:53:30:

Yes, I have heard this several times as well. Also, people say that they are Canada's national bird.

Brent

www.diverducks.com

Re: Thompson-Center Arms

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Posted by OnnO on September 17, 2001 at 18:05:34:

In Reply to: Thompson-Center Arms posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:20:32:

Nimrod,

try tcarms.com

Re: Second tag is buck only - archery only

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on September 17, 2001 at 17:50:44:

In Reply to: Re: Second tag is buck only - archery only posted by Kirk on September 17, 2001 at 13:32:58:

I am aware that for the most part the second tags are archery only, buck only. Just rub'n Rick a little. Neither of us scored a doe tag.

Endangered Geese?

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Posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:53:30:

I am amazed at how many times a non-hunter (usually women) responds to the information that I have been goose hunting by saying, "Canada Geese? Aren't they endangered"?

Am I the only one who encounters this ridiculous perception?

Re: Silhouettes - Do They Work?

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Posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:49:29:

In Reply to: Silhouettes - Do They Work? posted by Kirk on September 04, 2001 at 22:16:51:

The theory is that, due to the positioning of their eyes, geese can't see straight down below them. As such, they can't see that your "geese" have "disappeared" when the birds get right above your spread. I don't know if this is true or not, but silhouettes do work, especially if augmented by a few shells or full-bodies. As someone else mentioned, the trick is to position some of the silhouettes so that they are quartering into the wind. However, don't be afraid to put a few totally sideways to the wind (especially when there isn't much wind), as real birds are never all facing dead into the wind like a bunch of soldiers. This will give your silhouettes even more effectiveness.

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 17, 2001 at 16:40:46:

In Reply to: Re: Duck hunting posted by Ivan on September 17, 2001 at 12:47:49:

I am under the understanding that one must pay a fee for a blind at Binbrook. The information that I have on the area is old, so you would probably do best to do an internet search for Binbrook Conservation Area. As for the Copeland Forest, it is just off Hwy 400 about 10 or 15 minutes past where it meets up with Hwy 11 just north of Barrie. I do not have a map in front of me right now, so I haven't precise directions, but I am sure that an internet search can give you the details. There is no fee to hunt there but I believe that the forest is closed to other hunters during the week-long controlled hunt for deer and closes to all hunting in mid-December to allow for other recreational uses. The forest is about one or two kilometers wide and several kilometers long. There are many sorts of game habitat and several beaver ponds. I'm sorry about the vague directions but I am not at home while writing this but can dig them up for you later.

With regards,

Frank

Re: Goose Report and Question

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Posted by Steelhead on September 17, 2001 at 16:39:13:

In Reply to: Re: Goose Report and Question posted by Kern on September 06, 2001 at 23:09:42:

John, steel tends to pattern tighter than lead. As such, you rarely need tighter than a modified choke. In fact, most guns won't shoot good steel patterns with a full choke (meant for lead). Basically, just go down one notch from whatever you would use for lead.

More Re: Scugog?

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Posted by Frank on September 17, 2001 at 16:30:26:

In Reply to: Scugog? posted by Leon on September 17, 2001 at 12:28:04:

I just thought that I should add that in addition to the publicly owned parks and conservation areas from which people like to hunt ducks, that a great deal of hunting takes place along the marshy shorelines and islands of many lakes in Ontario, including the heart of cottage country. While the number of birds and hunting opportunities vary considerably, it is always worth asking friends who have cottages whether or not they are aware of such opportunities on the lakes in their area.

Re: Steel Shot - Help

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Posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:29:35:

In Reply to: Steel Shot - Help posted by Old Duck Hunter on September 07, 2001 at 14:43:28:

The rule of thumb with steel is to use two sizes larger shot than you would with lead, meaning if you would use #5 in lead, use #3 in steel to compensate for the lighter weight. Also, you will need to use different chokes (if you can in your gun). Generally, shotguns pattern best with steel using Improved Cylinder choke, up to Modified. The reason for these tighter patterns is that because steel shot is harder than lead, it doesn't deform going down the barrell, producing more consistent patterns. Full chokes tend to produce very spotty patterns.

Finally, especially at shorter ranges, you will notice that you don't need to lead on your target as much with steel, due to the increased velocity. However, if it has been so long since you hunted with lead, you may have forgotten how much lead to use give in certain situations, so you won't have to worry about re-learning that.

Re: Scugog?

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Posted by Frank on September 17, 2001 at 16:24:52:

In Reply to: Scugog? posted by Leon on September 17, 2001 at 12:28:04:

Some relatives of mine hunted Scugog a couple of years ago for waterfowl with some success, and while I am not fully aware of all the details, my understanding was that they hunted from the southern, marshy sections of the lake. Having a boat, they most likely would have launched it from Port Perry and driven down to the sections of lake in which they hunted. Assuming one takes the appropriate precautions not to shoot too near or towards any shoreline dwelling, one should have no problem hunting in this manner. I've spent many evenings in years past decoying and pass shooting birds from boats in Muskoka when my family had a cottage up there, even thought almost all of the shoreline where I hunted was private property. Naturally I would suggest that one who is not familiar with a particular lake should scout it out or at least ask local hunters about such shooting opportunities, possible firearms by-laws etc. I was under the impression however that the southern end of Scugog provides the ideal type of location from which to hunt by boat.

I hope that this answers your questions.

Frank

PS. Though I am not too sure, it looks as though one could perhaps launch a canoe down in the area where Hwy 7 crosses the lake. That would be the general area to which my post was refering.

Thompson-Center Arms

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Posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 16:20:32:

Looking for a website for Thompson Center Arms.

Re: Hunting Guides?? Worth the money? or a waste of time?

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Posted by Nimrod on September 17, 2001 at 15:47:35:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting Guides?? Worth the money? or a waste of time? posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 12, 2001 at 19:33:35:

Brent is bang on with his comments. It is exactly those benefits (scouting, equipment, permission, etc.) that you are paying for when you hire a guide, and when you look at it from their perspective in terms of how much time and money they spend, it suddenly doesn't seem quite so expensive a proposition anymore. After all, I don't know of too many guides/outfitters that are rich!

Re: Second tag is buck only - archery only

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Posted by Kirk on September 17, 2001 at 13:32:58:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Rick posted by John Y Cannuck on September 15, 2001 at 06:01:00:

The second tags are for deer with antlers only (i.e. bucks) and, with the exception of the Owen Sound area, must be taken with archery.

Most people in Ontario are entitled to hunt deer (i.e. bucks) in the WMU of their choice by simply purchasing a deer licence. Just because you get a second tag doesn't necessarily mean you were successful in the antlerless draw. There will be many hunters with 2 tags of which both are buck-only.

When you say you "didn't get a tag", do you mean you didn't get any deer licence or just weren't successful in the antlerless draw?

Make the first shot count!

Kirk

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by Ivan on September 17, 2001 at 12:47:49:

In Reply to: Re: Duck hunting posted by Frank on September 15, 2001 at 07:33:19:

At Binbrook do you have to rent a blind, if so do you know how I could find out how much it would cost. Do you know where Copeland Forest is and how I would get there, and do you need permissions.

Thanks again Ivan.

Scugog?

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Posted by Leon on September 17, 2001 at 12:28:04:

In Reply to: Re: New to hunt in ON posted by Frank on September 14, 2001 at 15:47:00:

Frank,

I thought Scugog is all surronded by private land (with exception of Nonquon and crown land place on Scugog island) which effectively eliminates hunting..?

What part of Scugog you're talking about and how it's accessible?

Leon

"parts of Lake Scugog at the south end suitable for duck hunting with a canoe"

Hullet directions

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Posted by Leon on September 16, 2001 at 23:18:33:

In Reply to: Re: New to hunt in ON posted by Goose Getter on September 13, 2001 at 15:47:48:

goto www.hullet.org and request their brochure - they'll mail it to you.

Leon

Can Anyone Recommend a Butcher in the Ottawa Area?

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Posted by Andy on September 16, 2001 at 16:47:50:

Shot a buck in Quebec yesterday on the first day of bow season. Have the names of a couple of butchers but would like a recommendation.

Anybody hunting Deer in Thunder bay?

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Posted by The Axe on September 16, 2001 at 04:24:11:

Moving back and I`m wondering if there are lots of Deer in Thunder bay? If there are which area is best,I`m very familiar with T.Bay.

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by Mark on September 15, 2001 at 10:35:09:

In Reply to: Re: Duck hunting posted by Ivan on September 13, 2001 at 15:56:23:

Hullet is about a half hour west of Stratford to Clinton then about 4-5 miles north. I cant remeber the concession road but its in the hunting regs book. Its a dot on the southern ont map. Duck opening week is real busy but it is a great place and a canoe is a real asset there. good luck..

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by Frank on September 15, 2001 at 07:33:19:

In Reply to: Duck hunting posted by Ivan on September 12, 2001 at 10:58:45:

Since you have a canoe, I would suggest that you consider Binbrook Lake Conservation Area. It is located south-east of the Hamilton area and has controlled hunts for waterfowl from numerous blinds. While more restrictive than a place like Luther Marsh, you would be safe from having your hunt ruined by skybusters blasting away next to you. I would also imagine that it's reasonably close to Oakville. You might also find Long Point Conservation Area (on Lake Erie) to be to your liking and reasonably close to home, at least for a hunt on the Thanksgiving weekend. I believe that they have both blinds available by lottery and an area where you can set up your own.

I do not know the precise location of Hullet other than that it is quite far to the west, but have hunted Presqu'ille, which is about two hours east of Toronto. You pay for the right to use one of their blinds, usually on a first-come-first-serve basis (since you are far away you might want to see if you could camp there on a long weekend to enjoy both days hunting) and it provides first class waterfowling.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Frank

Re: Hey Rick

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Posted by John Y Cannuck on September 15, 2001 at 06:01:00:

In Reply to: Re: second deer seal posted by Rick Teal on September 14, 2001 at 11:27:39:

Doesn't it burn when you don't get a tag, and some guys get a shot at two? :)

Re: second deer seal

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Posted by Pete on September 14, 2001 at 22:20:30:

In Reply to: Re: second deer seal posted by Kern on September 14, 2001 at 21:20:31:

I live 4 hours from where I hunt near owen sound area. I tried calling from 8:30 till 5:04 and tried and tries about 75 times and could not get thru at all. I hope there are some tags left for us callers next week!!!

Re: second deer seal

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Posted by Kern on September 14, 2001 at 21:20:31:

In Reply to: Re: second deer seal posted by bowhunter on September 14, 2001 at 15:22:07:

I hope they do the same here in 73. I picked up my second tag today and the good news is I got it on the phone...no line up, no waitin. I was about to drive up and thought I better call first to see if they even had any left and the woman told me she can sell me one right over the phone as long as i had my outdoor card number and visa handy. I should get it in the mail next week.

I already have a doe tag for 73 so I dont really care what I get for the second tag but I must say most of the deer I saw last year were during the bow season and all but one antlerless.

Kern

Re: New to hunt in ON

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Posted by Frank on September 14, 2001 at 15:47:00:

In Reply to: New to hunt in ON posted by jay on September 13, 2001 at 12:56:18:

East of Toronto, I would suggest that you try Presqu'ille for ducks as it has several very good blinds available that are accessable by canoe. While I know of waterfowling at Darlington Provincial Park, I do not personally know anyone that has tried it. You might also find parts of Lake Scugog at the south end suitable for duck hunting with a canoe. There is also Nonquon Wildlife Management Unit in that same general vicinity. Looking northwards, you could in addition to Luther (highly reccommended) try the Copeland Forest (small game and puddle ducks)and the numerous County Forests located throughout Simcoe County. Another option if you just want to search for grouse and woodcock is to drive up to Muskoka and hunt the numerous plots of Crown Land. If uncertain as to where they are located, get one of the "Lands for Life" maps from the MNR which lists many huntable Conservation Reserves. You might even find a few rivers and creeks that you could walk or canoe for ducks. I could go on, but if any of these sounds particularly appealling, or you have more specific questions, write back and I'll try to answer your questions.

Good Luck!

Frank

Re: So what is the diff. between a Rock Dove and a pigeon???

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Posted by John on September 14, 2001 at 15:36:49:

In Reply to: Re: So what is the diff. between a Rock Dove and a pigeon??? posted by Kern on June 20, 2001 at 11:56:13:

Rock doves and pigeons are the same. Rock dove is the name some scientist gae them, I fly racing homers, but a nice plump wild pigeon goes great in the pot!

Re: second deer seal

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Posted by bowhunter on September 14, 2001 at 15:22:07:

In Reply to: Re: second deer seal posted by Kern on September 14, 2001 at 14:26:25:

Turns out the second seal for 69a is for antlered or antlerless deer. I think that's becaues it's an archery only zone where there are normally more alterless tags available then there are applications.

Re: second deer seal

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Posted by Kern on September 14, 2001 at 14:26:25:

In Reply to: Re: second deer seal posted by Dave on September 14, 2001 at 14:20:28:

Scroll down the board to sept 6th under "Its official.." Oshawa is in wmu 73 and does get a number of 2nd tags. They are bow/buck only.

Kern

Re: second deer seal

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Posted by Dave on September 14, 2001 at 14:20:28:

In Reply to: Re: second deer seal posted by Rick Teal on September 14, 2001 at 11:27:39:

How do you find out which zones have a second seal? Are there any around oshawa that have one?

Re: second deer seal

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Posted by Rick Teal on September 14, 2001 at 11:27:39:

In Reply to: second deer seal posted by bowhunter on September 14, 2001 at 10:12:18:

Kemptville is having a draw for zones 64 A&B and 67. That gives everyone an equal chance at a tag. They'll announce the results about October 1.

second deer seal

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Posted by bowhunter on September 14, 2001 at 10:12:18:

Managed to get my second deer seal for zone 69A, this morning. They had 200 tags to give out and were giving them out first come first served. The office opened at 8:30 this morning. I showed up at about 7:15 and was about 20th in line. When I left, there was probably 80 guys in line behind me. The girl in the office said they would do things completely different next year.

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by Ivan on September 13, 2001 at 15:56:23:

In Reply to: Re: Duck hunting posted by Brent on September 12, 2001 at 19:36:18:

I know where luther marsh is but where is hullet and presquile. How big is it and do you need a boat. I have a canoe that I can use.

Thanks Ivan

Re: New to hunt in ON

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 13, 2001 at 15:47:48:

In Reply to: Re: New to hunt in ON posted by Dave on September 13, 2001 at 15:07:25:

Its just north of Grand Valley/Orangeville Big Water. A boat is a good idea, not sure on the power restrictions. Get there early. Lots of hunters, and only a certain number of parking lot "P"s. (allocation system to limit the number of hunters in one area) They also release pheasants, and the grouse and woodcock hunting is steady.

Re: New to hunt in ON

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Posted by Dave on September 13, 2001 at 15:07:25:

In Reply to: Re: New to hunt in ON posted by Goose Getter on September 13, 2001 at 14:37:28:

How do you get to luther marsh? How big is it? Is a boat required for duck hunting?

Re: New to hunt in ON

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 13, 2001 at 14:37:28:

In Reply to: New to hunt in ON posted by jay on September 13, 2001 at 12:56:18:

Try Luther Marsh You can hunt just about anything. Waterfowling is great. Located about 1 hour from Markham

New to hunt in ON

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Posted by jay on September 13, 2001 at 12:56:18:

Have been trying to locate private or pub. areas in SE Ontario to hunt small game inc. birds. ON is a large province. Looking for areas 1-2 hours from Markham there has to be an easier way than to jump in truck and go for a drive. Can anyone suggest a good area to concentrate on??

New to hunt in ON

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Posted by jay on September 13, 2001 at 12:55:52:

Have been trying to locate private or pub. areas in SE Ontario to hunt small game inc. birds. ON is a large province. Looking for areas 1-2 hours from Markham there has to be an easier way than to jump in truck and go for a drive. Can anyone suggest a good area to concentrate on??

Re: Geese? Body Counts?

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Posted by Goose Getter on September 13, 2001 at 12:38:31:

In Reply to: Re: Geese? Body Counts? posted by Brent on September 10, 2001 at 17:45:10:

Bagged 2 last night. Could of had a bunch more but didn't have the dog or the boots to retrieve birds if shot over water. Lots of ducks landing. Can't wait for next Saturday

Re: Duck hunting

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Posted by Brent on September 12, 2001 at 19:36:18:

In Reply to: Duck hunting posted by Ivan on September 12, 2001 at 10:58:45:

There are places like Hullet and Luther Marsh. Presquile and Long Point Provincial Parks.

Best bet would be to check with the MNR.

The public spots are a good place to start and eventually you will end up finding new areas.

Also, if you have a boat to hunt from, this can open up a lot of opportunities.

Brent

Re: Hunting Guides?? Worth the money? or a waste of time?

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 12, 2001 at 19:33:35:

In Reply to: Hunting Guides?? Worth the money? or a waste of time? posted by m.p.g. on September 11, 2001 at 00:26:33:

Here is my input on it, as I have been involved on all three sides. Guiding, being guided and starting from scratch.

Going on a guided hunt can be a lot of fun. It usually gives you a new experience, like hunting from a sinkbox for example. Some types of hunting are very expensive to start from scratch as well, so going with an outfitter can be a good start. Also, using a guide is sometimes essential if you are in a new area for a short amount of time.

Hunting on your own is very rewarding. The drawbacks to this is time and money. You need the time to find the spots, secure permission etc etc. Also, starting from scratch can be expensive if you are getting into diver or goose hunting for example.

Using a guide can also be a good learning experience. Hunting on your own is usually trial and error and by making mistakes you will become a better hunter.

Overall, look at what kind of hunting and how much you want to do. If you only want to hunt a couple of times a year or want to go on a "specialized" hunt then maybe a guide is the way to go. If you are going to hunt every week, then you are best to start getting your own gear and finding some areas to hunt.

Just my 2 cents, Brent

Duck hunting

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Posted by Ivan on September 12, 2001 at 10:58:45:

Hi all, This is my first year hunting in Ontario so I need all the info I can get. I am in Oakville and I am looking for some places to hunt migratory birds in Southern Ontario. Thanks in advance.. Ivan.

Duck hunting

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Posted by Ivan on September 12, 2001 at 10:58:06:

Hi all, This is my first year hunting in Ontario so I need all the info I can get. I am in Oakville and I am looking for some places to hunt migratory birds in Southern Ontario. Thanks in advance.. Ivan.

Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by gratton on September 12, 2001 at 08:23:38:

In Reply to: Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by Bob on September 07, 2001 at 06:12:04:

Got my deer tag(antlerless valid)and they have included an 'Additional Game Seals Now Available For Deer' pamphlet listing WMU's offering them as well as MNR office's phone #for each area. Wishing everyone good luck in coming season and get kids interested in the sport!

Re: sub 12 ga shotgun

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Posted by Grouse Getter on September 11, 2001 at 14:08:10:

In Reply to: sub 12 ga shotgun posted by Fox on September 10, 2001 at 23:44:20:

Try Shooters Choice in waterloo. Good selection www.shooterschoice.com

Thanks

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Posted by Leon on September 11, 2001 at 09:21:03:

In Reply to: Migratory Bird Regs posted by Shooter on September 10, 2001 at 11:30:37:

Got my migratory permit - it's there ;-(

Hunting Guides?? Worth the money? or a waste of time?

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Posted by m.p.g. on September 11, 2001 at 00:26:33:

I am fairly new to the sport and was wondering what your experience has been with hunting guides? I'm I better off doing my own leg work and keeping the guiding fee in my pocket. I was mainly interested in Waterfowl and Deer guides. Any good stories, any bad stories any guides in Ontario to avoid like the plague? Just looking for some honest feedback based on your experiences,

Regards,

sub 12 ga shotgun

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Posted by Fox on September 10, 2001 at 23:44:20:

I would like to know if anyone has any inexpensive sub 12 ga shotguns fopr sale. I am in the KW area and am looking for anything 410 - 16 ga for rabbit and grouse. When I say inexpensive I mean <$100. Thanks!

Re: Hunting for new toys?

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Posted by Calimero on September 10, 2001 at 19:59:22:

In Reply to: Hunting for new toys? posted by OnnO on September 10, 2001 at 12:34:36:

Well,I went to the show too,and three hours and 1500$ later I had same filling... I WAS HUNTED!!! Anyway,somehow I escaped unhurt with new Exomag package,climbing stand and couple of bags full of small toys...(Santa came early this year, guess I was good).Now I'm more than ready for MOOSE this weekend. Everybody have good season!!!

Re: Geese? Body Counts?

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Posted by Brent on September 10, 2001 at 17:45:10:

In Reply to: Re: Geese? Body Counts? posted by Kern on September 10, 2001 at 12:27:02:

We have only hunted the opener and it was great. We finished with 30 birds for 4 guys. We hunt up near Brantford in the early season. This year we were on a cut wheatfield that a large number of birds were using. Two banded birds, one a double legger.

Hoping to pound the heck out of em around Lindsay on Wednesday. Buddy of mine up that way has been slaughtering them, but field shooting is his specialty. Personally, I can't wait for November when the divers start pouring in.

Be safe, Brent

Re: FAC Required? Please help

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Posted by hutchman on September 10, 2001 at 12:58:22:

In Reply to: Re: FAC Required? Please help posted by britboy on September 07, 2001 at 18:15:44:

Thanks for your replies, as it turns out, he has his POL or whatever you want to call it. He hasn't registered any of his other guns so I think he's going to register them all in 2003 and just say that they were his all along. But thanks for your input.

Re: FAC Required? Please help

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Posted by hutchman on September 10, 2001 at 12:57:06:

In Reply to: Re: FAC Required? Please help posted by britboy on September 07, 2001 at 18:15:44:

Thanks for your replies, as it turns out, he has his POL or whatever you want to call it. He hasn't registered any of his other guns so I think that he's going to register them all until 2003 and just say that they were his all along. But thanks for your input.

Hunting for new toys?

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Posted by OnnO on September 10, 2001 at 12:34:36:

Anyone went to the OFAH hunting show last weekend? I bagged a new 870 super mag and som small games but emptyed my purse! Don't know I'm the hunter or the hunted?

Re: What's improper tagging? Why wings attached?

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Posted by Kern on September 10, 2001 at 12:30:49:

In Reply to: What's improper tagging? Why wings attached? posted by Leon on September 10, 2001 at 10:24:05:

Wings are used for IDing the birds. Its an offence to transport the birds without at least one wing intact.

Kern

Re: Geese? Body Counts?

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Posted by Kern on September 10, 2001 at 12:27:02:

In Reply to: Geese? Body Counts? posted by Matt on September 10, 2001 at 10:32:49:

We went out sat. morn too and had to call it an early day due to the heat. The morning started really foggy which wasnt too bad cause it would make the birds fly lower and closer to shore but they just didnt move. It was still dark out when we finished settin up and it had to 27 C!!

Really looking forward to the cooler temps this week but will only beable to get out in the evenings after work. Still not seeing a large amount of birds moving yet. I have been getting some good results using Federal BB loads as well only with a mod choke as some of my shots have to be a bit farther out due to blind location and a lower water levels in the lake.

Kern

Migratory Bird Regs

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Posted by Shooter on September 10, 2001 at 11:30:37:

In Reply to: What's improper tagging? Why wings attached? posted by Leon on September 10, 2001 at 10:24:05:

Migratory Bird Regs, Para 11; sec(1)

11. (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall possess or transport a migratory bird unless at least one fully feathered wing is attached to the bird. (2) The wing and the plumage thereon may be removed from a migratory bird (a) when the bird is prepared for immediate cooking; or (b) after the bird is taken to the residence of its owner for preservation. SOR/79-544, s. 5(F); SOR/2000-331, s. 3.

(or read it all here: http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/1_pdf/regulations.pdf

Shooter

Geese? Body Counts?

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Posted by Matt on September 10, 2001 at 10:32:49:

I'll bet there's a few guys in here that are gettin real anxious right about now. We've got some cooler weather forecast (finally) - I don't ever want to hunt geese in a 30 degree humidex again - makes it real hard at the end of the day, especially when lugging out a stringer of giants. So how many of these nuisances did we all manage to bag so far? I only got out twice so far, and the first venture was ruined real quick by a couple morons trying to shoot my flock of 50 birds from 200 yards away (these geese were cupped and heading in their opposite direction). That's ok though, we all know that skybusters just don't know any better. Later in the day, I learned up close and hands-on, that 3.5" BB (steel) out of an Improved choke takes the honkin out of 'em right quick. We only had 1 flock come into the decoys, again, about 50 birds. About 6 youngins veered and lit right in front of us, and as the rest fell in right behind, me and my buddy "take-d 'em" and dropped 4 birds with 6 shots. I hammered them with come back calls, and wouldn't you know it, they came back! Only thing was, I was out of ammo, and by the time I was reloaded, they hovered above us, taunting us, but just out of reach.

What's improper tagging? Why wings attached?

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Posted by Leon on September 10, 2001 at 10:24:05:

In Reply to: Undercover Operation Results in Numerous Charges for Illegal Waterfowl Hunting Practices posted by Mark Lamb on September 07, 2001 at 19:04:01:

All,

What's improper tagging?

Why the birds should be transported with wings attached? Under what regulation is that? There's nothing about wings in the summary of hunting regs or migratory regs given with the stamp.

Leon

Hounds and deer

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Posted by BlackDog on September 09, 2001 at 21:17:07:

Anyone hunt deer with hounds? I am looking for a Canadian supplier of Innotek products.I have tried the place listed in Ontario OutDoors Magazine and they do not respond to correspondence.

Re: Barrell?

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Posted by Kern on September 08, 2001 at 13:18:26:

In Reply to: Barrell? posted by Paolo on September 07, 2001 at 23:36:03:

Not all the shot will stay with the wad for the lenth of the barrel, so if your not sure about your barrel just contact Winchester and ask them if the barrel on your gun can handle steel shot. Alot of older guns cant.

Kern

Barrell?

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Posted by Paolo on September 07, 2001 at 23:36:03:

In Reply to: Re: Steel Shot - Help posted by Matt on September 07, 2001 at 15:12:21:

I too haven't hunted waterfowl for the last 20 yrs.It was great and I was thinking about getting into it again.But the question is "Do I need to change my barrell?".I have a Winchester 2200 with the win-chokes.Doesn't the wad carry the shot so as to do no damage to the bore or am I wrong in assuming so?

Undercover Operation Results in Numerous Charges for Illegal Waterfowl Hunting Practices

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Posted by Mark Lamb on September 07, 2001 at 19:04:01:

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WALLACEBURG, ON, Sept. 7 /CNW/ - Fifteen individuals and one corporation were charged today with numerous violations of the Migratory Birds Convention Act and the Migratory Birds Regulations. The charges are the result of an undercover operation that took place in October 2000 which was coordinated by the Wildlife Enforcement Division of Environment Canada's Canadian Wildlife Service. During the operation, a total of twenty-eight undercover officers from twelve wildlife enforcement agencies were involved in the gathering of evidence of violations in the town of Wallaceburg and Walpole Island First Nations Reserve. The officers posed as waterfowl hunters who booked a number of hunts with local area guides and outfitters. The offences, as charged, include taking over limits of migratory birds, depositing bait to attract waterfowl, hunting over bait, improper tagging of birds, failure to retrieve shot birds, hunting outside authorized hunting hours, hunting with unplugged shotguns, hunting with lead shot, hunting from a power boat, hunting during the closed season, transporting birds without wings attached, selling waterfowl, and possessing over limits of birds. During the investigation, over 1000 waterfowl carcasses were seized. Gary Colgan, Chief of Wildlife Enforcement, Environment Canada, Ontario Region said: "The Lake St. Clair area is important for migrating waterfowl. Our continued enforcement efforts concerning illegal hunting practices in the Lake St. Clair area are focussed on the conservation of this important waterfowl resource. The success of this particular operation would not have been possible without the assistance and the dedication of the officers from all of our partner agencies." Twelve of the accused are scheduled to appear in the Ontario Court of Justice in Sarnia on October 29, 2001. The remaining accused and a Wallaceburg restaurant are scheduled to appear in Chatham on October 25, 2001.

ruger mini 30 forsale

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Posted by Britboy on September 07, 2001 at 18:18:57:

forsale ruger mini 30 with rings and butpad and Willamd Target site gun is in good shape. www.gunscanada.com

Re: FAC Required? Please help

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Posted by britboy on September 07, 2001 at 18:15:44:

In Reply to: FAC Required? Please help posted by hutchman on September 06, 2001 at 09:15:53:

hi the cheapest way for your "friend" is to but the firearms book $12.50, take the test $36.00, send off for his PAL $60. TOTAL $108.50. but as it has been said he can not own the guns that he has come into at this time give them to someone that has the FAC/PAL. or sell them to me :)

Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by Rick Teal on September 07, 2001 at 15:56:21:

In Reply to: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by Kirk on September 06, 2001 at 13:37:53:

I applied by telephone for an additional tag in zone 64. Kemptville is running it as a lottery, and the results will be available between the 1st and 14th of October. There are 400 tags available in zone 64A.

Re: Steel Shot - Help

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Posted by Matt on September 07, 2001 at 15:12:21:

In Reply to: Steel Shot - Help posted by Old Duck Hunter on September 07, 2001 at 14:43:28:

Without any doubt, I recommend a fast magnum load of #4. Later in the season, you may want to try some Bismuth or Tungsten Matrix if you want to shoot divers and larger mallards at increasing distances. My buddy shoots a 2 3/4" Rem1100, and he uses Federal premiums, #4, and he has never had a problem whacking ducks at ranges out to 35 yards. I you have time and patience to tinker around, try some #3 and #2 as well (pattern them on paper at 15,25,35 yards) but remember, steel-shot loses most of its thump just past 30 yards, no matter what size it is.

Steel Shot - Help

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Posted by Old Duck Hunter on September 07, 2001 at 14:43:28:

Hey folks. I used to hunt ducks many years ago. As a matter of fact, for about 20 years its all I hunted. To make a long story short, I now have a young fella that wants to learn the craft. My problem is, I haven't hunted ducks since Steel Shot was introduced. Now I'm not about to buy myself a new shotgun at my age, so just an honest suggestion of what size shot to buy would be appreciated. I will be using a Winchester Model 1200, 2 3/4", Modified Choke. Most shooting will be done at fly by's between 15 to 35 yards. It will be early and late season, so puddles as well as bluebills later. Thanks for any help.

Re: How to make a 3-D Silhouette?

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Posted by Shooter on September 07, 2001 at 12:59:09:

In Reply to: How to make a 3-D Silhouette? posted by Kirk on September 05, 2001 at 10:38:37:

a horizontal slot is cut halfway through your silouette from front to back. another piece of flat painted board cut to appear like a goose body from overhead is cut with a slot halfway through it. when the two slots are slid together, you have a silouette that from above appears to have a full body.

somebody else's idea can be seen here http://hjem.get2net.dk/tornager/Oevrigt_udstyr/Gor_det_selv/3d_silhuet_lokkeand_eng.htm

then there are the 3D decoys that have a photo-finish to them that makes them look like a live goose.... although they are only 2 dimensional. OUTLAW makes them. see here: http://www.outlaw.com/hunting/detail.asp?GID=HM&CID=7140010031975

shooter

here's the MNR Press Release

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Posted by Shooter on September 07, 2001 at 12:44:02:

In Reply to: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by Kirk on September 06, 2001 at 13:37:53:

For Immediate Release September 4, 2001

NEW DEER HUNTING OPPORTUNITIES IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO

TORONTO — The Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) is creating additional hunting opportunities this fall to manage southern Ontario’s expanding population of white-tailed deer.

“Serious crop damage and the growing number of deer/vehicle collisions are indicators the deer population is growing,” said MNR southcentral region wildlife biologist Karen Bellamy. “An increase in the harvest is necessary to help control deer numbers in these areas.”

The following MNR offices will offer hunters the opportunity to purchase an additional game seal and harvest a second deer this fall in the following Wildlife Management Units (WMUs):

Kemptville area: 64A, 64B, 67 Kingston area: 69A, 70 Peterborough area: 71, 72A, 73, 74A, 74B, 75 Aurora area: 72B, 78A, 78B, 78C, 78D,78E, 79C, 79D Owen Sound area: 82A, 82B, Clinton area: 85A, 85B, 85C, 86A, 86B Guelph area: 87B Niagara area: 88

The additional game seal may be used for an archery-taken deer only, except in the Owen Sound area where a gun or a bow may be used.

Deer hunters must purchase the additional seal for a specific WMU from the MNR office that administers that WMU. Seals will be available starting September 14. The cost to resident hunters with a valid outdoors card is $32. All revenue from the sale of the additional seals will go to the Special Purpose Account, which funds provincial fish and wildlife management.

–30 – Contact: Karen Bellamy Ministry of Natural Resources (705) 755-1534

Editor's Note: Please see attached list of MNR offices, Wildlife Management Units, and phone numbers.

Re: Goose Report and Question

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Posted by Dave on September 07, 2001 at 11:03:09:

In Reply to: Re: Goose Report and Question posted by Kern on September 06, 2001 at 23:09:42:

We were able to take 9 opening morning, and like Kern mentioned, they seemed to be acting a little different (flying high, not decoying well) the biggest problem for us that morning were the amount of ducks mixed in with the geese, hopefully we will still have this problem come the opening of ducks in a few weeks. For the early season, I like to keep my spread to small family groups, with lots of holes around us for them to land in.

Thanks for all the advice!

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Posted by John on September 07, 2001 at 10:14:12:

In Reply to: Goose Report and Question posted by John on September 05, 2001 at 22:00:57:

no message

Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by Don on September 07, 2001 at 09:40:54:

In Reply to: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by Kirk on September 06, 2001 at 13:37:53:

I had an informal chat with one of the biologists from the Kemptville MNR office. He said that antlerlees archery tags only,would be available for WMUS 64A,64B and antlered only for area 67.He also stated that each area office would have the final say for the areas that they manage.The hold up appeared to be at the political level as they needed legislation passed before they could go ahead. Don

Re: first hunting season with out my dog

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Posted by bowhunter on September 07, 2001 at 09:23:43:

In Reply to: first hunting season with out my dog posted by chessy on September 06, 2001 at 15:40:10:

Couldn't agree more. I good retriever is a god send when try to locate dead of crippled birds in a marsh or on in the woods. I've duck hunted with buddies who own labs for the last 8-10 years. The dogs are not spit and polish in terms of obiedience, but they're worth there wait in gold when locating downed birds.

Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by Kirk on September 07, 2001 at 09:22:50:

In Reply to: Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by bowhunter on September 07, 2001 at 09:13:32:

Thanks Bowhunter. I finally got ahold of my local MNR office and they confirmed "first come/first served".

They were swamped with phone calls the entire day. The senior staff need to organize these things better. Poor staff in the local office have litte control over the organization of these additional tags but they get all the angry phone calls because their lines have been busy all day. I've been in that situation before and I can sympathize with them.

Kirk

Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by bowhunter on September 07, 2001 at 09:13:32:

In Reply to: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by Kirk on September 06, 2001 at 13:37:53:

I've been hounding my local MNR office since an article first appeared in Ontario Out of Doors regarding this issue. Limited numbers of tags have been issued by for specific WMU's. Most are for archery only and all are for bucks only. The local office that manages each if the WMU's is responsible for distribution of the tags. Some are doing it by lottery, some are doing it by first come first served. I suggest that you phone the local MNR office that manages the WMU's that you're interested in hunting in. They should be able to give you more info. on the number of tags available and how they will be distributed.

Re: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by Bob on September 07, 2001 at 06:12:04:

In Reply to: It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available posted by Kirk on September 06, 2001 at 13:37:53:

Similar article apeared in my local paper, again no info.

Re: Goose Report and Question

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Posted by Kern on September 06, 2001 at 23:09:42:

In Reply to: Goose Report and Question posted by John on September 05, 2001 at 22:00:57:

We bagged about 12 between yesterday and this AM...All birds taken over big water. Birds are acting weird. I also noticed that they are not easy to call, ignoring the decoys and flying silent....almost like they been shot up already!! Over the 2 days we were only able to bring in one good size group of about 8-10 birds but only half of them fully committed to the deks...the rest flared. The others were small groups of 2's and 3's.

For med to long shooting you want to be using a full steel choke or the lead equal which is a modified but you also want to pattern your gun to see what size shot it shoots best at the ranges you are shootin. If you invest in some deks you wont have to worry about the long shots. It also wouldnt hurt to know how to call them. I think a good hunt needs a good dek spread...a good caller and a good shot in that order and if your ok on the first 2 you dont really have to be a good shot cause they will be right on top of you.

My birds were taken with a 10ga shooting Federal HV 1 3/8 BB with a Mod choke.

Kern

Re: Early season hunt

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Posted by Sid on September 06, 2001 at 23:07:58:

In Reply to: Re: Early season hunt posted by Sid on September 04, 2001 at 23:02:12:

Went out this morning expecting a lot of action.Was out the night before and there were lots of geese flying. This morning was another story though. Not much action at all. Passed on a couple that I thought were kinda high. But I did get to shoot at three other geese. They were well within range. Blasted 3 rounds at them. For some reason they kept on flying by. Couldn't figure out why till I looked at my choke at the end of my barrel. Seems that I forget to change my full choke. Steel shot and a full choke is not a good recipe for success. My oversight. Guess I'll be checking next time. Oh well. Good luck all!!

Re: How to make a 3-D Silhouette?

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Posted by Matt on September 06, 2001 at 23:06:55:

In Reply to: Re: How to make a 3-D Silhouette? posted by dstanley on September 05, 2001 at 11:48:21:

I am sure that rags/windsocks would work good around here. I am planning on adding about 12 of herters' windsocks to my bigfoot/higdon full bodies for windy days. It goes without saying, motion is the key, whether its dark geese, light geese, mallards, whatever. I don't like sillos, because you need too many of them to make a good spread, and I'd rather just set up 20-30 dekes. Plus, in my opinion, they are over-priced. Try some out, I think some people give geese too much credit sometimes, I doubt a goose can tell the difference beween a rag or a stick or a hunk of plastic.

first hunting season with out my dog

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Posted by chessy on September 06, 2001 at 15:40:10:

In Reply to: Re: Goose Report and Question posted by Braden on September 05, 2001 at 23:50:02:

i now know why i got my dog and i think it should be a law that everyone that hunts big water or marsh have one we had to get a boat to retrive 3 cripples and today we lost one and that is the first bird i have lost in 8 years and it sucks. so fare we have done well with the geese especally kern his new nick name is "kill em long way off kern" the reason no dog is that she had puppies now this would not have stopped me from takeing here but she had to have a c section but she will be with me opening duck ps braden is it not nice to not have to woring about getting wet

It's Official - Additional Deer Tags Available

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Posted by Kirk on September 06, 2001 at 13:37:53:

The front page of the Toronto Star has an article confirming that additional deer tags are available for much of southern Ontario. The article says that bow hunters will be issued additional tags in all areas except Owen Sound where second tags will be issued for gun hunters as well as archery.

Not much information other than that. Checked out the MNR web site and not a word to be found about the additional tags. Does anyone know how these additional tags can be obtained?

You can find the article at torontostar.com

Thanks.

Kirk

Re: FAC Required? Please help

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Posted by Bob on September 06, 2001 at 12:29:29:

In Reply to: FAC Required? Please help posted by hutchman on September 06, 2001 at 09:15:53:

Strictly leagal he needs to pass the Canadian Firearms test and get a PAL. FAC, POL no longer available. It is illegal for him to hold the guns right now.

FAC Required? Please help

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Posted by hutchman on September 06, 2001 at 09:15:53:

A friend of mine recently came into a couple guns (through a relative) and he needs to know if he can keep them without registering them?? If his FAC has expired or he doesn't have one am I correct in saying he needs to take the FAC course and then register them to be legal? I suspect that this is the case but I'd like to hear it from the experts before I start throwing advise around. Just so you know, I don't think that he wants to sell them. Thanks for any advise.

Re: Goose Report and Question

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Posted by Braden on September 05, 2001 at 23:50:02:

In Reply to: Goose Report and Question posted by John on September 05, 2001 at 22:00:57:

Every gun is different, you'll just have to pattern your gun with a bunch of different loads, and see which choke works best with a given load at the range you want to shoot! As for hunting today, I killed one Canada today, and passed up shots on about 3 other birds. It was a good day, as my dog tentatively retrieved his first goose, with a lot of atta boys and encouragement. I passed on the other shots as they where a bit longer, and I didn't want to risk a cripple with a dog that may not go long yet! I'm sure I could have killed all 3 of them though!!! ;~)

Goose Report and Question

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Posted by John on September 05, 2001 at 22:00:57:

Hunted for about 2 hours in the Gilford area this morning. Went 0 for 1. Saw quite a few moving around but they were high and not responding to calls. Oh well...

Does anyone have any advice on what type of choke is best for Geese at medium to long range (I'm not a "Skybuster")?

September Update - 303british.com

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Posted by Steve Redgwell on September 05, 2001 at 13:35:01:

It's almost fall. Hunting season is just about here. Read a review of the bonded core Rhino bullet - available in a bunch of calibers INCLUDING .311 for your 303 or 7.62 Russian! Need some Zeroing help for your No 1 or No 4?

And other items of interest at http://www.303british.com

Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell http://www.303british.com

Re: How to make a 3-D Silhouette?

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Posted by dstanley on September 05, 2001 at 11:48:21:

In Reply to: How to make a 3-D Silhouette? posted by Kirk on September 05, 2001 at 10:38:37:

Has anyone used rags in ONT, I used them on the Gulf coast for white fronts (speckle belly and snow geese) and then added a few shells in the landing area for realism?

You can also rig the rags on a stick to give a 3D and movement effect to your spread

Cheers Dave

How to make a 3-D Silhouette?

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Posted by Kirk on September 05, 2001 at 10:38:37:

In Reply to: Re: Silhouettes - Do They Work? posted by Shooter on September 05, 2001 at 01:29:59:

Not sure what you mean by a 3-D silhouette?

Kirk

Re: Silhouettes - Do They Work?

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Posted by Shooter on September 05, 2001 at 01:29:59:

In Reply to: Re: Silhouettes - Do They Work? posted by chessy on September 04, 2001 at 22:21:09:

i used them exclusively throughout the 70's with great success. sheer numbers often offsets misgivings like flat two dimensional products. very often i would set 200 -250 siloutees out.

a couple of things to remember with them. quarter them into the wind instead of facing them directly into the wind. this way when geese are making thier final approach the sillouettes wont "disappear" on them. quarter half the set into the wind say northeast (if the prevailing is north) and the other half northwest for the same above reason.

on into the 80's i began to experiment with them even more. constructing them 3D like chessy says is a wonder alternative and alleviates the problems of 100 geese disappearing when the flock suddenly hits the right angle. i also have great success with full bodies made out of old tires. (cut the steel tire bead off the center of the tire and then cut the tires in thirds... bingo you have a great goose body complete with treaded feathering!!) the tires were heavy and i could only use them when access to the field was available by truck, tractor or quads.

dont be afraid to mix your sets, say flat sillouettes, 3D's and full bodies in the "landing zone"

you determine what will work. sillouettes in low pressure areas, full bodied/ motion dekes in high hunted areas. if you are in a working field.... silouettes are fine. if you are trying to pull them off thier flyway, you need numbers and realism.

Shooter

Re: Early season hunt

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Posted by Sid on September 04, 2001 at 23:02:12:

In Reply to: Early season hunt posted by Sparky on September 04, 2001 at 15:08:18:

I'll be heading out to Keswick on Thursday. We have a private farm lined up with tons of geese that the farmer wants gone. Keep you informed. Good luck all.

Re: Silhouettes - Do They Work?

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Posted by chessy on September 04, 2001 at 22:21:09:

In Reply to: Silhouettes - Do They Work? posted by Kirk on September 04, 2001 at 22:16:51:

if you make them 3 d they do you would be suprised at how well they work

Silhouettes - Do They Work?

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Posted by Kirk on September 04, 2001 at 22:16:51:

I can't affort the prices they're asking for goose decoys. A spread of 40 to 50 geese is going to cost about $500.

I'd like to make a bunch of silhouettes myself and save some coin. Do they really work or am I just wasting my time?

Thanks,

Kirk

Re: Hand-thrower

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Posted by Kirk on September 04, 2001 at 22:11:15:

In Reply to: Re: Hand-thrower posted by steven on September 01, 2001 at 17:40:56:

Thanks for the reply. I'll give the plastic thrower a try!.

Kirk

Re: Military Rifles for Hunting?

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Posted by OnnO on September 04, 2001 at 22:07:09:

In Reply to: Re: Military Rifles for Hunting? posted by Frank on September 02, 2001 at 08:58:47:

WoW! Frank, What a post! Five hundred bucks to own an AR-15 type rifle is still a big temptation to me. I can't find anything from the States about the Norinco, but some did say the Norinco 1911s are quite reliable and they found no unreasonable wear after 2 years of frequent range shooting.

Anyway, I'm going to the Hunter's show this weekend. Don't know how much will be deducted from my hunting/shooting fund, may not have enough for the Norinco AR-15. Let's see...

Re: Early season hunt

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Posted by Brent - Chesapeake Waterfowlers on September 04, 2001 at 20:03:47:

In Reply to: Early season hunt posted by Sparky on September 04, 2001 at 15:08:18:

Sparky;

You hunting the river?? I am heading up to Brantford shortly. Just for the morning shoot, but we have a field that is pretty stacked. Should be good. I'll email ya tomorrow night.

Brent

Re: Early season hunt

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Posted by chessy on September 04, 2001 at 17:25:31:

In Reply to: Early season hunt posted by Sparky on September 04, 2001 at 15:08:18:

where you going i have not seen geese in a month hopw you got a better spot than me

Early season hunt

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Posted by Sparky on September 04, 2001 at 15:08:18:

Well tomorrow is the day !!!! Best of luck to everyone that will be going to field and water for those over populated Canadas !!

Re: Military Rifles for Hunting?

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Posted by Frank on September 02, 2001 at 08:58:47:

In Reply to: Re: Military Rifles for Hunting? posted by OnnO on September 01, 2001 at 21:34:20:

If they weren't restricted and I was in the market for a .223 semi-auto, I would without doubt take a look at this new AR copy, though it would be nice to read one or two gun reviews on it beforehand. Sometimes a combination of a Norinco guns with GI parts makes the most affordable and effective combination, such as with thier M14 or 1911 reproductions. I should note however that in the case of their M14, for instance, I have been told that it is common practice for places like Fulton Armory to heat treat the reciever as they otherwise can wear out awfully fast if they are fired regularly. Its not that the steel used by the Chinese is of bad quality, but simply that they did not use the best heat treatment. While Norinco's would make a great deal in many cases, stories like this one would make me want to do a bit more homework before I fork out too much money.

As for my M14, I probably would not fire it so regularly to have to worry about the aforementioned point, but have simply not gotten down to getting it to a gunsmith. I had the barrel professionally fitted to the reciever thinking that the rest could easily enough be assembled at home, only to quickly find out that I'd better get it back to the shop. I'll probably get it done after the upcoming hunting season. While I am glad for my purchase, its clear to even an amateur like myself that there's a reason why this rifle costs so much less than a Springfield.

As for your SKS, I would have thought that the fixed magazine would come out easily if you would first remove the trigger group. You do this by pressing down hard on the notch/button just behind the trigger guard and then pull off the whole assembly. The magazine should then pop out easily enough as mine did. I did it to replace a rather crudely plugged ten round magazine that could not even be fully opened with a flush five-rounder. As for the upper hand guard, I presume that you know how to remove it with the gas tube by switching up the lever on the receiver end that holds it down. How to remove the handguard from the magazine tube without damaging it is beyond my knowledge, but I am sure that you could get an answer if you asked on some American SKS or military collectors discussion list. Many SKS's have been equipped with handsome synthetic sporter stocks, so there should be lots of people out there who know what to do.

Just one last point about milsurp guns for varmints. You would think that Century Arms would have by now gotten hold of some .223 barrels and attached them to some old bolt actions to make a safe, accurate and inexpensive utility gun. In time maybe....

Re: Military Rifles for Hunting?

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Posted by OnnO on September 01, 2001 at 21:34:20:

In Reply to: Re: Military Rifles for Hunting? posted by Frank on September 01, 2001 at 09:19:01:

Thank you for the input!

I'm always mix up that all the rifles are OK for hunting(non-restricted) except those full autos, but I was wrong. No ARs for VARmints! But for 1/3 price of a Armalite or just 1/2 price of a regular Norinco, do you guys think that $500 is a fair price for this made-in-China toy? And it takes all the Colt's parts too!

And Frank, what's wrong with your Norinco? You said it is a kit and you never finish to assemble it!!?

And my problem is I can never 100% disassemble my SKS. Try to refinish the stock but can't remove the fixed magazine and the upper hand guard.

Re: Hand-thrower

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Posted by steven on September 01, 2001 at 17:40:56:

In Reply to: Hand-thrower posted by Kirk on August 30, 2001 at 11:02:04:

yeah i have one of those MTM throwers (ez-throw 2) and you can use it left or right handed. it seems to work well. hope this helps.

Boat for Sale

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Posted by Dave S on September 01, 2001 at 17:30:38:

For Sale 15' Cajun Special Jon Boat + trailer Includes 1985 25 hp Evinrude (good powerhead, needs lower unit), riveted aluminum, semi V hull Olive drab, no leaks!!, excellent tires, livewell and bearing buddies Located near Toronto ONT Price $1500

Hunting a Right (Ga. USA news)

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Posted by Shooter on September 01, 2001 at 15:05:49:

Hunting to be recognized as a right by Georgia law

On April 18, 2001, with the stroke of a pen in the hands of Georgia Governor Roy Barnes, House Bill (H.B.) 301 was passed into state law, thereby elevating the status of hunting and fishing in Georgia from a privilege to a right. According to the Georgia Department of Natural Resources Wildlife Resources Division, the passage of H.B. 301 ensures a "no net loss" of hunting and fishing opportunities on state-owned lands. H.B. 301 will formally take effect on July 1.

The Georgia Board of Natural Resources still retains the right to declare hunting and fishing rules and regulations, while at the same time county and city governments still retain the right to prohibit hunting and fishing on their properties and to regulate the discharge of firearms for public safety reasons.

H.B. 301 was strongly supported by Georgia’s Conservation Congress and the Georgia Wildlife Federation. Jerry McCollum, President of the Georgia Wildlife Federation, says, "Hunters and anglers have contributed most of the funding to restore our native wildlife and now they have received some recognition for being our country’s first and best conservationists. This bill recognizes the importance of professional wildlife management, and the role that hunters and anglers play in that process."

For more information on the passage of H.B. 301, contact Beth Brown, Georgia Department of Natural Resources at 770-918-6400

(some things just make too much sense: Shooter)

Re: Military Rifles for Hunting?

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Posted by Frank on September 01, 2001 at 09:19:01:

In Reply to: Military Rifles for Hunting? posted by OnnO on September 01, 2001 at 00:37:15:

A Norinco AR-15? If its an accurate copy of the Colt, I'd have to guess that they'll be making a copy of the Browning Superimposed or Auto Five in time for the opener! Since its probably restricted (why couldn't they just call it an AR-16?), perhaps their copy of the M14 would be just the ticket. I got one in kit form a few years ago but haven't yet the chance to have it fully assembled and therefore cannot speak to its effectiveness. I've also got an SKS that I've taken out for deer, sometimes as a backup gun, and haven't a doubt that it would have done the job if anything had shown up. Just the greater chance to familiarize oneself to the rifle that comes with the availability if cheap ammo should make up for any deficiency of killing power. There's a whole bunch of military surplus rifles that are fine for big game hunting if they are in good condition such as Lee-Enfields, various mausers (especially the Swedish ones) and Garands to name a few. Some of the more obscure designs in hard to get calibres however are less than ideal.

I almost forgot to say, but my friend's deer hunting partner got two deer last year with his new SKS so don't feel any need to knock it!

Re: Military Rifles for Hunting?

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Posted by Matt on September 01, 2001 at 08:50:20:

In Reply to: Military Rifles for Hunting? posted by OnnO on September 01, 2001 at 00:37:15:

Here in Ontario, you cannot use the AR for varminting because of the 'restricted' classification. I have a buddy that has shot and killed more than one bear with his SKS (which, incidently, is what they use up in Siberia for brown bears and tigers that weigh 1000 lb+). Just make sure you limit the mag capacity to 5 rounds, and take the bayonet off before hunting.

Military Rifles for Hunting?

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Posted by OnnO on September 01, 2001 at 00:37:15:

Any one use military rifles for hunting?

I have a SKS for big games (Yeah! It come with a foldable bayonet which is more lethal than its 7.62x39mm projectiles

for bears!)

BTW, the Norinco AR-15 .223 is on sale now (CDN$500.00). Just

a little more than a decent .22 rimfire, may not be a bad choice

for small games or varminting? Any idea?

Re: Hand-thrower

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Posted by Frank on August 31, 2001 at 17:25:41:

In Reply to: Hand-thrower posted by Kirk on August 30, 2001 at 11:02:04:

Dear Kirk,

I picked up an MTM plastic thrower a couple of years ago with the three foot extension handle. Its fairly inexpensive and throws like a beauty evn in the hands of someone like myself! I would highly recommend it.

Good luck busting clays,

Frank

Re: Regarding deer management

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Posted by BlackDog on August 31, 2001 at 17:00:25:

In Reply to: Regarding deer management posted by BlackDog on August 31, 2001 at 08:54:02:

Thanks shooter ordered the pamphlet you mentioned.To date we have planted 3400 pines to increase edge habitat, pruned approx.75 old apple trees,maintained old hayfields (weed control),cleaned out waterholes, distribute salt blocks, selectively cut firewood to encourage mast producing trees,planted Black and white walnut trees.As for bush work the last few years have been devoted to icestorm cleanup.BD

Re: Regarding deer management

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Posted by Shooter on August 31, 2001 at 16:09:40:

In Reply to: Regarding deer management posted by BlackDog on August 31, 2001 at 08:54:02:

Like i said below BD, the MNR has a decent booklet out on the subject.

Depending on the WMU your 300 acres are in, your success may be the result of migration such as with our 400 acres in port Loring. Quite often, local deer populations are seemingly low compared to 1 week after the snow flies.

Do you work the bush at all?? Pull winter logs out?? Have open spaces?? Is the bush old with a high canopy and open floor or is it young with plenty of small growth emerging?

Shooter

Re: Quality deer management

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Posted by Shooter on August 31, 2001 at 16:04:06:

In Reply to: Re: Quality deer management posted by Bob on August 31, 2001 at 07:48:53:

Bob:

I have spoken with MNR bios about indicatores of herd health in the past. One of the tools they use are the road side check stations to get ratios for such things as number of bucks to does, does to fawns, etc. If too many does, especialy breeding aged does, come out of any specific WMU in any given fall you can expect to see a dramatic decrease in the number of antlerless deeer tags allocated the next fall.

The road site stations can also help bios detect deer herd health. Poor body conditions and small racks on bucks and poor tooth development on too many animals in a WMU may be construed as too many deer for the range... carrying capacity of the land is overwhelmed. That could signal an increase in the hunt tags next fall or even extended seasons or double deer quotas.

You shouldnt have to worry about it although we all do. I hunt area WMU 47 and it swings very high and very low over a fews years. If the MNR is handing out tags and your boys are passing up the does that they could be shooting they just may be defeating the game managers purpose of the antlerless tag allocation system.

Hunters have become "front-line managers" for the OMNR. We control the levels somewhat, and collect the samples for the bios top observe.

Shooter